[Discussion] List of July's Drops

[BrianFreud]

Since a bunch were missing from Manticore's list (at least at the moment ), did I miss noting any?


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{td=center|bottom|bcolor:#000099|10x@}hue{/td}
{td=center|bottom|bcolor:#000099|35x@}type ID{/td}
{td=center|bottom|bcolor:#000099|37x@}weight{/td}
{td=center|bottom|bcolor:#000099|28x@}year{/td}
{td=center|bottom|bcolor:#000099|36x@}month{/td}
{td=center|bottom|bcolor:#000099|20x@}day{/td}
{td=left|bottom|bcolor:#000099|67x@}shard{/td}
{td=center|bottom|bcolor:#000099|39x@}season{/td}
{td=center|bottom|bcolor:#000099|89x@}count{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Crystalized Void Energy{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}30{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Arirang{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}15{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Ornament For The Star Festival 2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}1461{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}9006{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}9{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Asuka{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}lots{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Gold Flecked Graffiti Spelling Out The Words: "Humanity First!"{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}2721{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}7572{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}28{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Atlantic{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20 or 26?{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Gruesome Standard of the Pale Orc Warband, Carved into it are the words "Glory to Da Bludgod!"{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}28{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Atlantic{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}?{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Bottles Of Wine Poisoned With Spiritcap Extract{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}1367{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}2500{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}1{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}13{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Baja{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@} {/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Balhae{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@} {/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Hanging Daggers{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}29{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Catskills{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}15?{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Mystical Wings Of The Erinyes{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}2721{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}6261{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}1{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}6{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Chesapeake{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}I Gave (my Life) And Took (this Wonderful Crystal) From Felucca, Drachenfels{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}17{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Drachenfels{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}15{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}An Effigy Of King Blackthorn Sculpted By Europa's Rebellion{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}2721{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}15119{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}3{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Europa{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@} {/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Formosa{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@} {/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Ghostly Dolphin Guide{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}30{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}GL{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Royal Bell{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}24{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Hokuto{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}The Person Who Couldn't Help{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}1175{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}3792{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}22{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Izumo{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}15{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=left|bottom|521x17} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@} {/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Lake Austin{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@} {/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}A Piece Of Rock Used To Build The Museum Of Mystery{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}29{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Lake Superior{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}15{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}An Antique Gypsy Flute Made From Rare Silverleaf, Hand-Carved with Intricate and Unusual Detail{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}29{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Legends{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}15{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}D[^o^] Life Jacket{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}22{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Mizuho{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}< 30{/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@} {/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Mugen{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@} {/td}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Pet Rock{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}25{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Napa Valley{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}?{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}The Wave Of The Nightmarish Dreams{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}19{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Oceania{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=left|bottom|521x17}Fuddy Wuddys Beach Ball Volleyball – July 2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}?{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Origin{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}15{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=left|bottom|521x17}A Miniature Figurine Carved From Dragon Bone To Resemble Petronius The Dragonlord{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}14{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Pacific{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}15{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}A Large Piece Of Prehnite (original){/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}255{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}17{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Sakura{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=left|bottom|521x17}A Large Piece Of Prehnite (fixed){/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}17{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Sakura{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@} {/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Siege{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@} {/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@} {/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Sonoma{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@} {/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@} {/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Ornament For The Star Festival 2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}2653{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}9006{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}10{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Wakoku{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}lots{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=left|bottom|521x17}Recovered From A Slime [Blackrock Infected]{/td}
{td=center|bottom|10x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|35x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|37x@}?{/td}
{td=center|bottom|28x@}2016{/td}
{td=center|bottom|36x@}7{/td}
{td=center|bottom|20x@}23{/td}
{td=left|bottom|67x@}Yamato{/td}
{td=center|bottom|39x@}14{/td}
{td=center|bottom|89x@}20{/td}
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[Promathia]

Wouldn't it have just been easier to tell Manticore what was missing for the list to be updated?

 

[DarkLotus[FL]]

An Antique Gypsy Flute Made From Rare Silverleaf, Hand-Carved with Intricate and Unusual Detail

there were 15 of these stated by EM at event I'm sorry I should have taken a screenshot of it


also Fuddy Wuddys Beach Ball Volleyball – July 2016 (15) of these stated by em aum

 

[Restless]

Original and replacement prehnite? Is that supposed to be for atl drop instead?

 

[Zandor]

There was no replacement it was merely fixed by mesanna. I think Brian just listed it because someone might have kept the 255 stone version.

 

[leet]

Crystalized Void Energy 15
Gold Graffiti 20
Hanging Daggers , i believe he said 15
Ghostly Dolphin Guide 20
Gypsy Flute 15
Nightmare Wave 20

 

[Smoot]

i think "lots" is really inaccurate. those are everyone drops. an everyone drop is sometimes less than a standard 20 / 25 drop on atlantic or great lakes. such as the life jacket, there were only 30 total people there.

 

[Restless]

At this point in the game with the current drop system it is more accurate to just have (?) for the drop quantity on everything. All of the numbers are just speculation with the only info being a base request amount by the EM. Regardless of whether the EM requested 10 or 25, neither of those amounts are correct and it really just comes down to how many peeps got looting rights. Boss with ease of getting looting rights and lots of peeps there, probably quite a few of the item exists. Things like LA on saturday morning where very few people got looting rights then the number is lower. At this point i don't care what number the EM says, i judge rarity based on my own personal observations at the event. Number of peeps there and ease of looting rights.

 

[BrianFreud]

i think "lots" is really inaccurate. those are everyone drops. an everyone drop is sometimes less than a standard 20 / 25 drop on atlantic or great lakes. such as the life jacket, there were only 30 total people there.

I was going off UO EM Event：ボブ・ジュニアがゆく！ as it's the only # I had.

Wouldn't it have just been easier to tell Manticore what was missing for the list to be updated?

I need a list anyhow for my own project. I've already sent Manticore a copy of what I have for July; most of these currently aren't listed.

There was no replacement it was merely fixed by mesanna. I think Brian just listed it because someone might have kept the 255 stone version.

Exactly. Just the like blaze coffee grinds, or the "Island Rock" instead of "A Statue Of King Poseidon". (Any other similar "buggy original" cases like that lately - let me know.)

 

[TheGrimReefer]

There was no replacement it was merely fixed by mesanna. I think Brian just listed it because someone might have kept the 255 stone version.

The graphic of the new gruesome is different then the one that originally dropped. Fixed ones have a square front where original had round.

 

[leet]

At this point in the game with the current drop system it is more accurate to just have (?) for the drop quantity on everything. All of the numbers are just speculation with the only info being a base request amount by the EM. Regardless of whether the EM requested 10 or 25, neither of those amounts are correct and it really just comes down to how many peeps got looting rights. Boss with ease of getting looting rights and lots of peeps there, probably quite a few of the item exists. Things like LA on saturday morning where very few people got looting rights then the number is lower. At this point i don't care what number the EM says, i judge rarity based on my own personal observations at the event. Number of peeps there and ease of looting rights.

Yeah but, if the EM requests 20 items, and 50 people get looting rights.
The only way more then 20 items are dropping is if out of those 50 people
Lets say 10 of them have a guaranteed drop because got nothing the last X amount of events
Even though those 10 people have a guaranteed drop, if they still got 1 of 20 because of whatever they did to the boss and they did not
get the drop because of there guaranteed points, that still takes one away from the 20 original requested.
So if 10 people are guaranteed and 6 of them get the drop normally, then it only bumps it to a 1 of 24 because the other 4 would get it from points.
It does not see who has the points > gives that person the item > and then calculates its 1 of 20 people from who is left.

So to say there is alot of drops just because there is alot of people i feel is very inaccurate.

 

[Merlin]

Gold Flecked Graffiti Spelling Out The Words: "Humanity First!" - my understanding was there were two bosses that each dropped 13, for a total of 26.

 

[leet]

Gold Flecked Graffiti Spelling Out The Words: "Humanity First!" - my understanding was there were two bosses that each dropped 13, for a total of 26.

I thought he said 10 each boss on those, maybe i was wrong

 

[Restless]

Yeah but, if the EM requests 20 items, and 50 people get looting rights.
The only way more then 20 items are dropping is if out of those 50 people
Lets say 10 of them have a guaranteed drop because got nothing the last X amount of events
Even though those 10 people have a guaranteed drop, if they still got 1 of 20 because of whatever they did to the boss and they did not
get the drop because of there guaranteed points, that still takes one away from the 20 original requested.
So if 10 people are guaranteed and 6 of them get the drop normally, then it only bumps it to a 1 of 24 because the other 4 would get it from points.
It does not see who has the points > gives that person the item > and then calculates its 1 of 20 people from who is left.

So to say there is alot of drops just because there is alot of people i feel is very inaccurate.

Link me the thread where mesanna explains the guaranteed drop system. I've heard people say that if you don't get the drop in 4 events with looting rights then you are guaranteed one on the next one. Even if that is true, the message I got from mesanna suggested it was going to be a point based thing where you have a chance of one (outside of the original requested amount) based on events gone without getting a drop. That means that even though you might have a guaranteed drop on the 5th event if you didn't get one the past 4, you can still get a point related one on any of the events before the guaranteed one, just at a lower chance (like the doom drop system).

 

[panoramix2009]

you will add pic?

 

[Zandor]

The graphic of the new gruesome is different then the one that originally dropped. Fixed ones have a square front where original had round.

I wasn't talking about ATL, I was talking about Sakura.

 

[Zandor]

It's easy to tell the drop system is different when the drop is bugged. Remember the sleepy hell hound puppy? 20 drop? Yet there were 40+ ppl pulled to the roof to get it fixed. Even Mesanna said "there are a lot of drops here Bennu". I personally think multiple bosses has a lot to do with certain drops having inflated numbers. But yes, technically it hasn't been explained, so we are stuck speculating on how it works.

 

[BrianFreud]

you will add pic?

Not here, but eventually

 

[Promathia]

Exactly. Just the like blaze coffee grinds, or the "Island Rock" instead of "A Statue Of King Poseidon". (Any other similar "buggy original" cases like that lately - let me know.)

Those are completely different.

The Statue Of King Poseidon wasnt bugged. The one from Europa was, which just said Dartboard (South). You COULD keep that. You COULD keep the Coffee grinds. In those cases, there are definately bugged items existing that you can feasibly sell or buy.

But the A Large Piece Of Prehnite was just a weight issue. It COULD NOT be moved out of your backpack. So its pointless of listing it twice. It wasn't a different item, it was just "Stuck". You cant sell it, you cant buy it. Your only option is to email Mesanna to have it fixed so it can actually be moved.

 

[BrianFreud]

But the A Large Piece Of Prehnite was just a weight issue. It COULD NOT be moved out of your backpack. So its pointless of listing it twice. It wasn't a different item, it was just "Stuck". You cant sell it, you cant buy it. Your only option is to email Mesanna to have it fixed so it can actually be moved.

In theory, couldn't someone xfer it home, find a way to force it to fall out of their pack and, say, fall onto the ground in front of their house? Just like forcing quest items to drop, or through some other means... I don't exactly have a way to test it, but I'd imagine, for example, if you xferred with it in your pack, landed, loaded up 125 items to fill your pack, then tried to pull the thing to your pack, it'd likely end up stuck on the ground where you stood. (That, or stuck in your xfer backpack until your time ran out )

In any case, I only had it listed because in theory one could still exist, pointless as it might be. I didn't bother to list the Atl bugged drop, since the whole point of how those were bugged was that none of the bugged one even could still exist.

PS, I stand corrected on the dartboard; was going off memory.

 

[Restless]

The bugged atl drops do still exist and it is likely that they may never disappear as previously stated. I'm not sure of any that have disappeared since the night of the event.

 

[Promathia]

The bugged atl drops do still exist and it is likely that they may never disappear as previously stated. I'm not sure of any that have disappeared since the night of the event.

Mesanna herself said as much in another post. EM Bennu On The Drop From 7/21/16 Atlantic Event

 

[Smoot]

In theory, couldn't someone xfer it home, find a way to force it to fall out of their pack and, say, fall onto the ground in front of their house? Just like forcing quest items to drop, or through some other means... I don't exactly have a way to test it, but I'd imagine, for example, if you xferred with it in your pack, landed, loaded up 125 items to fill your pack, then tried to pull the thing to your pack, it'd likely end up stuck on the ground where you stood. (That, or stuck in your xfer backpack until your time ran out )

In any case, I only had it listed because in theory one could still exist, pointless as it might be. I didn't bother to list the Atl bugged drop, since the whole point of how those were bugged was that none of the bugged one even could still exist.

PS, I stand corrected on the dartboard; was going off memory.

no, because to do that the item would need to be moveable. plus, if someone were to happen to find some method other than the normal one (which is kinda an exploit itself), it wouldnt be allowed to posted on stratics anyway even if it did exist.

In regards to a database, personally i dont like the idea of too much information. Definitely NOT a pic. leave some mystery in rares collecting. thats part of the fun. if you can just go on a site and see a pic of even the rarest items in the game, i think it cheapens the value of owning it. and wanting to own it.

 

[BrianFreud]

Well, we'll have to disagree on that one Smoot. In any case, that horse left the barn 20 years ago already; sites with pics of items have always existed.

It does occur to me, though, that pretty much every sale and auction thread posted argues against that logic, given that 99% post item pics. If no pic meant higher sales, then noone would post pics.

 

[Smoot]

Well, we'll have to disagree on that one Smoot. In any case, that horse left the barn 20 years ago already; sites with pics of items have always existed.

It does occur to me, though, that pretty much every sale and auction thread posted argues against that logic, given that 99% post item pics. If no pic meant higher sales, then noone would post pics.

i realize many wouldnt agree with me, and that most items have already been catalouged and pictured anyway, but i do always try to delete pictures after a sale. to me, since the game is already pixels, and a picture is pixels, seeing too much of something or having it too easy to find makes it less desireable. if it were a real life object, that would be different because a picture can never compare with a tangible object. but in UO we dont have that of course.

i guess one benefit of having items pictured is that someone can quit the game and not have to worry about never seeing their items forever, they can always just look them up even when the game is over. but also once someone quits i doubt many look back.

 

[Manticore]

To be honest, it's getting harder and harder for me to keep up with the list due to lack of interests for the game. It's just droves of endless items month after month. Most EMs don't care about what they ask for, they just ask for items even if the graphics were used many times before or hues that are similar.

When the events first started they were shard wide items, e.g. corroded manacles for all shards or Gauntlets of Anger etc...Low quantities per shard but every shard had them. Now it's 300-400 new items introduced per season.

I'll see if I can find a reason to get excited again.

 

[BrianFreud]

I kind of agree @Manticore.

The EM items that interest me are getting fewer, and it's mainly due to item overload more than anything else. You and I've both been keeping lists in parallel for at least the past year. Every month there's another 20 to 30 I need to go track down, to collect hues and the rest of the info on them, and so few seem to offer anything I haven't seen a dozen times before.

There's approximately 40,000 graphics in the game. Even if you discount the ones that are parts of animations, there'd still be 35k or so. Yes, 10 to 15k of those are parts of multi-tile objects, but I could see an EM doing a "set" that assembles into one complete item (like that tapestry on Atl). Even ignoring those, there'd still be 20k or so graphics to use. But as far as I can see from my data, only 2,082 graphics have actually been used for rare items, and that's including seer, server birth, etc. For EM items only, it's 1,347 graphics - and that's including Mesanna items. I'd love to see a month where the EMs challenge themselves to go find graphics that have never been used for drops before.

 

[leet]

I'd love to see a month where the EMs challenge themselves to go find graphics that have never been used for drops before.

They did that last month with the Bone that was part of a blood pentagram, and everyone hated it and thought it was a "sh****" drop.
I personally thought it was cool and even had a cool name, but thats just me.

 

[lineman]

Lack of originality and multi boxers getting 90% of the items. Each week its getting worse and worse as more people are doing it and the ones doing it are adding more guys as the months go on. Its not uncommon to see people playing 8 characters now. Maybe the people running the show just want to kill the game so they can move on to something else because they really dont seem to care about the opinions of the majority. I know I am getting sick of it to the point where I am considering closing my accounts. And I am sure the same people will have there counter argument about the multi boxers because there the same people who consistently sell items here then gold for $ on icq. Simple solution is to make it so you cant duel client again. I know some people said they will lose to many accounts, well there gonna lose them anyways the direction there going. Maybe people who actually enjoy collecting will start playing again if they have a chance to obtain a item now and then instead of these greedy d bags trying to turn a profit.

 

[Promathia]

multi boxers getting 90% of the items.

Lol thats not even true.

Sure they get their share, I mean they PAY for those accounts, why shouldn't they? They don't take drops AWAY from anyone, not even you.

People will play again if they actually have a chance to obtain an item? What are you even saying?!?! Its easier now to get an item than it EVER has been. Its all random! You have the point system! Instead of a 15 drop, you can get a 30 drop! 25 drop? More like 40!

Item prices are also at a perfect entry point! A really crap item used to sell for 500m! Now you have a great scale of bad items ranging in the 30-75m range, average-good in the 175-300 range, Above average items are around 300-500, and really great items are 500+.

Its easier and cheaper than ever for ANYONE to start obtaining rares and make a GREAT house or museum from it.

And yes, at the end of the day, the people paying for 8 accounts obtain more items than a regular person. They put in more time, effort, and money. Lets not act like no one ever did events for profit before now.

Maybe if you cared less about what other people got you would enjoy the game a lot more. I run 1-2 accounts on every shard (Mostly 1 account). I get plenty of drops and I make plenty of profit. I get items I like to keep and I use my profits from ones I don't like to buy stuff I missed. I don't do anything special. If I can do it, anyone can do it.


** Since I am busy ranting...

WHO CARES IF A GRAPHIC HAS BEEN USED BEFORE?

Listen, there will always be items you like and dont like. Back in the day, Collectors were more focused on collecting everything under the sun. Why? Because there was very little to go around, very little variety to choose from. Want an ocean theme? How when only 1-2 ocean rares existed? Most people just collected every rare that came out and called it a day.

Now it is 2016, and yes as others have said we have more rares than ever before. Each month something new is added. Each month VARIETY is added. Now if I want that ocean them I have a plethora of items to choose from! I want an evil theme? Royal guard theme? PLENTY of items to choose from.

I have noticed that those who used to "Collect everything" seem to have more trouble adjusting. Instead of being worried about everything, why not try to limit your collection down? Try thinking of what you REALLY enjoy and like! Focus on that instead of worrying that someone has a bigger mass of items than you.

Why is variety looked upon as a bad thing? Because now you cant justify the prices you paid in the past? A creative EM can turn a graphic that has been used 100 times into something amazing. Sure there are duds, there always will be. There will also be items not everyone likes. Some people want "new" and some people want "old". Some people want EM's to push the boundaries, introduce new art and show off something never seen be fore. Others want to be reminded of the past, they want the original art Ultima came with and they want that feeling of nostalgia. The wonderful thing is, we DO get that. We routinely get EM's pushing the boundaries, introducing something new. We routinely get EM's who harken to the past and bring out something that reminds us of years past.

Its all thanks to the EM program as it is that those things are possible. Its just that you all get so hung up on personal agendas that you fail to see that.

Look inside yourself and find what you enjoy in UO and stop worrying about how other people play.



/rant over

 

[Smoot]

Sure they get their share, I mean they PAY for those accounts, why shouldn't they? They don't take drops AWAY from anyone, not even you.




/rant over

lets be real solus, you really think they all pay broadsword? we all know the grey area markets and that those multibox accounts might actually be costing EA / Broadsword money from chargebacks.

 

[Smoot]

Lack of originality and multi boxers getting 90% of the items. Each week its getting worse and worse as more people are doing it and the ones doing it are adding more guys as the months go on. Its not uncommon to see people playing 8 characters now. Maybe the people running the show just want to kill the game so they can move on to something else because they really dont seem to care about the opinions of the majority. I know I am getting sick of it to the point where I am considering closing my accounts. And I am sure the same people will have there counter argument about the multi boxers because there the same people who consistently sell items here then gold for $ on icq. Simple solution is to make it so you cant duel client again. I know some people said they will lose to many accounts, well there gonna lose them anyways the direction there going. Maybe people who actually enjoy collecting will start playing again if they have a chance to obtain a item now and then instead of these greedy d bags trying to turn a profit.

to be fair your the one who asked for this system. its working as intended, more people are getting drops (not just muliboxers) but yes as a side-effect its natural that players will do whatever it takes to compete in any system. in the random system thats more characters.

i know your intentions 2 years ago were good, but also dont know how you couldnt have forseen this (because we all said at the time that this is exactly what would happen)

i still enjoy events, and collecting to an extent. but yes, its not as special when i get a drop now, especially since i have to sell 5 to 10 drops to get just 1 older one, or good new one that i really want. and im more than likely to just quit doing events than put the time and effort into competing in the new system. the exact reason why most asked for this system. because they didnt want to put the time / effort into the old system where playing 1 character usually worked out best.

 

[lineman]

to be fair your the one who asked for this system

If it was still just top damager do you think there would be multi boxers? of course there would be. No what created the multi boxers was drops every month on every shard and shard shield tokens.

 

[lineman]

Lol thats not even true.

When I said I knew the same people would have there counter argument I knew you wouldn't let me down Promathia.

 

[Smoot]

You keep saying this but it makes no sense, if it was still just top damager do you think there would be multi boxers? of course there would be. No what created the multi boxers was drops every month on every shard and shard shield tokens.

i think there would, but i also dont think they could perform as well as playing a single character. 1 screwup, one death that character of a multibox pod would be out of the running.

plus, with the legendary antique jewels available, and overall global loot, it would be much harder for a multiboxer to suffiently gear 6 or more characters to be able to compete. Personally, i think games should encourage playing well, and having the best gear to get the best rewards. I realize many would dis-agree with me, saying events should be for even the most casual players out there who put 0 effort into their characters. i understand those sentiments.

I would have liked to see the Global Loot the devs have provided be very useful for events, as this would overall encourage serious eventers to also go out and play the normal game to gear their event characters.

the most effective template, if it were still top damager/damge taken/healing (or even if there was a benefit to doing higher damage at all), would be an 820 skill point 211 stam thrower / tamer. Possibly with wraith form in the mix if had even more skill points available. and with reforged overcapped glaives.

I would have made this suit. it would run around 8 platinum worth of gear. i doubt most the muliboxers would be spending upwards of 50 platinum on each shard they play.

second to this template would be a non-max speed thrower or archer tamer.

a close third would most likely be a high sdi spellweaving thrower, with possibly a spellweaving tamer with archery and low tact / anatomy being in the mix.

All of these suits would cost significant gold to build. the jewels to make these 800 plus skill point templates sometimes run 3 bil alone.

You can build a basic multiboxable character that will get looting rights every time for around 30m (it really doesnt even take that much. some of my worst event characters have cost a total of about 8m to make (mostly power scrolls)


So to answer your question, Yes, there still might be muliboxers. but not nearly as many simply because of the gold investment required to make modern geared, 800plus skill point competitive templates. And also because no matter how much its scripted / multiboxed, playing a single character manually can usually out perform a multiboxed character.


i still stick to my original arguement from 2 years ago that the best system would have been a compromise so that everyone had a chance (random) but those who put in the work to make very powerful characters would at least have a somewhat better chance. Multiboxer and multiple account players would still be around in this scenerio, but not to the extent they are now. I know id only be playing 1 right now even if it were this compromise. as it is currently sometimes it feels like playing my 2 isnt even worth the time competing with those who play up to 10. And getting a drop isnt nearly as rewarding because i know it was just random. i didnt have to do anything for it (other than show up)