Legends lacks EM attention

[Omnius]

So legends is now suffering from 1 of it's EMs being totally MIA and the other saying in luna that he "hates pvp" and hosting events that are completely blocked off to red players even if they can prove they are there to simply participate.

Oh and we never got the majik flippers events or the compassion event that is supposed to be going on now.

 

[Lord Frodo]

For the Compassion Event try going to Ilsh and killing controlers.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Here is an idea...create a blue!

 

[Omnius]

We're talking about an EM that blocked off the pvp arena he and tashik made for no reason other than he dislikes pvp... There is currently no way to the em pvp arena on legends unless they open a gate from trammel.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

We're talking about an EM that blocked off the pvp arena he and tashik made for no reason other than he dislikes pvp... There is currently no way to the em pvp arena on legends unless they open a gate from trammel.

If I remember correctly there was an issue with reds camping the entrance point for no other reason than to grief. If you act like kids you get treated like kids.../thread.

I know firsthand how people acted there...was a victim of the very thing which probably lead to it being taken away. lol...and you wonder why you can't have nice things!

 

[Uvtha]

At least your shard has one.

 

[Viper09]

We're talking about an EM that blocked off the pvp arena he and tashik made for no reason other than he dislikes pvp... There is currently no way to the em pvp arena on legends unless they open a gate from trammel.

Try sending a message to Mes about this.

 

[TMC Crowley]

Maybe if they didn't come in and kill people at the chicken lizard fights. He wouldn't have to block it off rez killing people over and over tend to keep people out fel . Certain guild on legends always rather grief events then be part of the event .

 

[Lord Urza]

EM Helios does a pretty good job on legends IMO

And yes the barrier at the arena was put up to prevent reds from camping there, knowing what time the events would start they could be there waiting before hand, and would attack everyone who was attempting only to go to the event.

Mesanna had to be called upon at least once to get them to stop disrupting this event.

Why arent there fel based events, or pvp events?
because there is no way for an EM to truely control anyone in fel, they just dont have the abilities to do it.

That said, Legends EMs please hold a fel based pvp event, or a fel based event that the fel community would be in support of, put there destiny in there own hand.
Give them the opportunity to put up or shut up, and prove that they can have events without having them spiral out of control and erupt into chaos.

 

[Mapper]

The Europa EMs have only held a couple of events in Felucca over the 2 years. If I were a red I would certainly feel left out but I just don't know what they could do without having disruption of everyone killed.

This is what happened when Clainin was killed in Felucca:

 

[TMC Crowley]

If i remember right the last pvp tournament didn't finish because people kept attacking the people fighting .So why have them if people going act like that .

 

[Uvtha]

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The Europa EMs have only held a couple of events in Felucca over the 2 years. If I were a red I would certainly feel left out but I just don't know what they could do without having disruption of everyone killed.

This is what happened when Clainin was killed in Felucca:

I think that if an EM does something in fel they should do so KNOWING pvp is gonna happen, as such they should make an effort of establishing a "vanguard" that actually operates. Like a group of blue (or even red) pvpers who fend off the pks/griefers, and get some sort of reward for doing so.

That would be fun for everyone involved, red and blue.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

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I think that if an EM does something in fel they should do so KNOWING pvp is gonna happen, as such they should make an effort of establishing a "vanguard" that actually operates. Like a group of blue (or even red) pvpers who fend off the pks/griefers, and get some sort of reward for doing so.

That would be fun for everyone involved, red and blue.

Or maybe they should do the right thing and start giving 48 hour bans to any red who shows up to a scheduled event for no reason other than to grief it.

At that point it's not about PvP anymore, it's about the same thing that caused Trammel in the first place.

 

[Uvtha]

Or maybe they should do the right thing and start giving 48 hour bans to any red who shows up to a scheduled event for no reason other than to grief it.

At that point it's not about PvP anymore, it's about the same thing that caused Trammel in the first place.

Yes, they should ban people who are not breaking any rules. They need to accept pvp is going to happen, and make that part of the fun of the event, or just forget it.

 

[Uriah Heep]

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I think that if an EM does something in fel they should do so KNOWING pvp is gonna happen, as such they should make an effort of establishing a "vanguard" that actually operates. Like a group of blue (or even red) pvpers who fend off the pks/griefers, and get some sort of reward for doing so.

That would be fun for everyone involved, red and blue.

Or maybe they should do the right thing and start giving 48 hour bans to any red who shows up to a scheduled event for no reason other than to grief it.

At that point it's not about PvP anymore, it's about the same thing that caused Trammel in the first place.

My suggestion was and still is, if the pvp'ers want included in it, and if coming to fel makes everyone fair game...
Have the EMs hire a faction to defend the entrance. Each faction member who defends will get a check for a mil from the EMs, as salary, plus of course, they get the insurance and points from the raiders they kill

That way, the battle chicken fighters are protected, the pvp'ers actually have a purpose and a reason to be there (defending or raiding, depending on who was hired) something for everyone!

 

[Omnius]

My suggestion was and still is, if the pvp'ers want included in it, and if coming to fel makes everyone fair game...
Have the EMs hire a faction to defend the entrance. Each faction member who defends will get a check for a mil from the EMs, as salary, plus of course, they get the insurance and points from the raiders they kill

That way, the battle chicken fighters are protected, the pvp'ers actually have a purpose and a reason to be there (defending or raiding, depending on who was hired) something for everyone!

Uriah is what we call, a well rounded player. He doesn't pvp but he doesn't flee in terror from the concept of dieing. He's been killed and been protected as a result of his social behavior.

 

[Omnius]

yes a guild named ^X^ tried the EMs patience at a pvp tourny. They got utterly curb stomped and have since been ground to death to the point they were run off the shard. Basically the EM began advertising events and seeing participation increase finally and got upset when one group had to be subdued first (took like 15 minutes to kill all of that guilds zerg) for the major event to continue.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

yes a guild named ^X^ tried the EMs patience at a pvp tourny. They got utterly curb stomped and have since been ground to death to the point they were run off the shard. Basically the EM began advertising events and seeing participation increase finally and got upset when one group had to be subdued first (took like 15 minutes to kill all of that guilds zerg) for the major event to continue.

Thing is...it wasn't just one guild doing this. Again, if you have to grief an EM sanctioned event and event area...you are greifing the employees of this game. When things like that happen, everyone loses...not just the reds. Until people learn how to play nice during STRUCTURED events, no soup for you. Notice I didn't mention reds, I said people.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

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I think that if an EM does something in fel they should do so KNOWING pvp is gonna happen, as such they should make an effort of establishing a "vanguard" that actually operates. Like a group of blue (or even red) pvpers who fend off the pks/griefers, and get some sort of reward for doing so.

That would be fun for everyone involved, red and blue.

The whole purpose of the arena was to allow structured fighting to occur. The developers ended up working on an arena program I believe out of the chaos that ensued to try to make up for the lack of control...

 

[RaDian FlGith]

Yes, they should ban people who are not breaking any rules. They need to accept pvp is going to happen, and make that part of the fun of the event, or just forget it.

Actually, purposely attending an EM Event for the sake of griefing said event is, has been, and forever will be a violation of the rules of conduct, specifically item 24, which reads:

You will not do anything else that interferes with the ability of other Ultima Online users to enjoy playing the game in accordance with its rules, or that increases the expense or difficulty of Electronic Arts in maintaining the Ultima Online service for the enjoyment of all its users.

When griefers specifically target a scheduled event with the sole purpose of degrading said event into something that the EMs themselves can do pretty much nothing about, it is interfering with BioWare Mythic's ability to provide part of their service to player.

And really, the idea that people should just accept griefing is a bunch of bologna. People showing up to turn these events into the hellfests that they become are not doing so because they want to play, or because they want to take part in the event, they're doing it simply because they know there will be a number of "victims" present that they can exact their idea of "play" onto.

It's this ludicrous mentality that created Trammel in the first place.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

Thing is...it wasn't just one guild doing this. Again, if you have to grief an EM sanctioned event and event area...you are greifing the employees of this game. When things like that happen, everyone loses...not just the reds. Until people learn how to play nice during STRUCTURED events, no soup for you. Notice I didn't mention reds, I said people.

QFT.

There is absolutely no reason that people have to show up to EM run events to do nothing but grief the events, and whether or not there is currently enforcement, back in the day, Trammel or Felucca, even showing up to disrupt a player-run event (yes, even in Felucca) was grounds for bans. Now, I'm sure someone will pop up with tales of the lawyer hungry griefers who challenged these bans and "won," but those tales don't paint whole or truthful pictures of what actually happened either.

 

[Omnius]

Thing is...it wasn't just one guild doing this. Again, if you have to grief an EM sanctioned event and event area...you are greifing the employees of this game. When things like that happen, everyone loses...not just the reds. Until people learn how to play nice during STRUCTURED events, no soup for you. Notice I didn't mention reds, I said people.

It was 1 guild that did it. maybe they had a few members of their alliance there. the rest holds true.

 

[MalagAste]

Yes, they should ban people who are not breaking any rules. They need to accept pvp is going to happen, and make that part of the fun of the event, or just forget it.

Actually, purposely attending an EM Event for the sake of griefing said event is, has been, and forever will be a violation of the rules of conduct, specifically item 24, which reads:

You will not do anything else that interferes with the ability of other Ultima Online users to enjoy playing the game in accordance with its rules, or that increases the expense or difficulty of Electronic Arts in maintaining the Ultima Online service for the enjoyment of all its users.

When griefers specifically target a scheduled event with the sole purpose of degrading said event into something that the EMs themselves can do pretty much nothing about, it is interfering with BioWare Mythic's ability to provide part of their service to player.

And really, the idea that people should just accept griefing is a bunch of bologna. People showing up to turn these events into the hellfests that they become are not doing so because they want to play, or because they want to take part in the event, they're doing it simply because they know there will be a number of "victims" present that they can exact their idea of "play" onto.

It's this ludicrous mentality that created Trammel in the first place.

This.

And people wonder why others have a negative impression of Reds and Fel.

I'm sorry but showing up to an event with the sole purpose of griefing it and reducing it to nothing does no favors for anyone and only solidifies the idea that you can NOT hold events in Fel.

And I hate to say it will never work to pay folk to protect an event there.

What gets me is that most of the ones who cry about events never being open to reds in Fel are the same ones who do nothing but grief said events.

I'm forever baffled by the mentality of it all. If the only reason you want events in Fel is so you can turn it into a gankfest then be satisfied with the fact that doing so will result in no events being held in fel.

No one wants to invest a lot of time or effort into something that is going to be griefed.

It's like speaking out of both sides of your mouth... Yes you can hold and event in Fel but it will result in a huge grief fest... But we want events in Fel... so we can grief them...

It's somewhat like the boy who cried wolf... eventually folk get the idea that it's just not worth the time or effort to invest in and they become very closeminded to the idea. It's very hard to win back trust once you've lost it. And if your reputation becomes tarnished then it's very hard and quite a struggle to clear it. Folk like to think they are innocent until proven guilty however we all know that it doesn't usually work that way.

 

[Silverbrook]

Perhaps a solution (with no disrespect to some of the DECENT players who choose 'reds') is to spawn greater dragons who are also paragon'ed at certain fel events who will only target red tagged characters. When (and if) they can be killed, these creatures will not have loot.

Just, of course, an idea.

 

[Omnius]

Frankly, I don't see why EMs can't choose to do some events in fel. If you're afraid of PvP at an event, just make some pvp events...

How hard is it for an EM to run an enhanced champ spawn like they do in trammel? Super powered mobs dropping cool loot happen in trammel except in trammel theres 4289756832456862345 people lagging the place to death and you can't move. Do the same exact event in fel and you get pvp, the same event and nothing was ruined.

Do some events with factions. create a good reason for a battle royale basically. Everyone converges on magincia's ruins and battle ensues fighting over control of some npc effort(rebuilding, recovery of lost artifacts from the ruins of mag).

It doesn't take much imagination to see how pvp can fit comfortably into events.

On siege we once did a blue vs red escort event. All the good guys of the shard vs all the bad guys. The good guys trying to escort a carriage to safety, the bad guys trying to stop it and loot.

In the end everyone got something based on what side they were on.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

It was 1 guild that did it. maybe they had a few members of their alliance there. the rest holds true.

I think it was more than one group...I seem to recall the ugly stick beating...more than one tag.

 

[Uriah Heep]

Thing is...it wasn't just one guild doing this. Again, if you have to grief an EM sanctioned event and event area...you are greifing the employees of this game. When things like that happen, everyone loses...not just the reds. Until people learn how to play nice during STRUCTURED events, no soup for you. Notice I didn't mention reds, I said people.

LOL
Well most of em that killed my mates were all one guild...I won't name the guild.
But they all ahd the same char name *grins*

 

[ATLPvPer]

Legends has some of the worst EMs of ANY shard that I've seen, and I play on many shards.
I'm not saying personally they are bad people, they aren't, but they do not do their job sufficiently.
Just take a look at the EM website.

Legends

August - Dart Tournament
July - Nothing
June - Nothing
May - House Design Contest
April - Chicken Fights

It is rediculous. Not only are there no fel events, which isn't the big problem, but there are no REAL events. A player could hold all of these events.
And where is Tashik?

 

[TMC Crowley]

Legends has some of the worst EMs of ANY shard that I've seen, and I play on many shards.
I'm not saying personally they are bad people, they aren't, but they do not do their job sufficiently.
Just take a look at the EM website.

Legends

August - Dart Tournament
July - Nothing
June - Nothing
May - House Design Contest
April - Chicken Fights

It is rediculous. Not only are there no fel events, which isn't the big problem, but there are no REAL events. A player could hold all of these events.
And where is Tashik?

I don't know i'm always going to events on legends . Almost ever Sunday they have miss a couple weeks here and there . I guess people should watch at bank and at all the gates . The last pvp tournament they couldn't even finish because people was killing the players that was dueling .

 

[Uriah Heep]

Legends has some of the worst EMs of ANY shard that I've seen, and I play on many shards.
I'm not saying personally they are bad people, they aren't, but they do not do their job sufficiently.
Just take a look at the EM website.

Legends

August - Dart Tournament
July - Nothing
June - Nothing
May - House Design Contest
April - Chicken Fights

It is rediculous. Not only are there no fel events, which isn't the big problem, but there are no REAL events. A player could hold all of these events.
And where is Tashik?

In fairness to the EMs also, you have to consider that their hands may be a bit tied by Mythic. Seems I remember reading somewhere that their events are scripted by the devs, giving them *some* latitude but mostly follow the outline given to them. And that the events would be tied into the story arcs, blah blah, etc etc. So the EMs may not have a lot of freedom to just run free with random happenings. And the few times I have seen them step out and do something "off the cuff" people have bitched pissed and moaned about it so loudly that were I an EM, I'd say screw this, and walk off.

We need the EMs to continue the storylines maybe, but what we really really need (and you old school Atlantic players will know what I'm talking about) is for Soar to return to the game and lead the QM team again!

I do agree however, that Fel could be included more. The thing is, it needs to be worked in as part of the event, random time, random spot. Like the original chicken fight everyone was talking about, the *wolves* were told up front on the websites and alll forms of communication that the *sheep* would be led to them at the arena at a specific time. *grins* Pk's do what pk's do...
But if a tour thru Fel was just a stop on the journey at a random place and random time, it would work a lot better. You need to find a clue? Plant it in hidden valley, or in the t chest room at shame, it the pool house at the maze, etc etc, in Fel, but don't announce it to the world. That way it will be random and chance encounters and not a well laid ambush *smirks*
I'm a trammie, admittedly so, and have no pvp skills. But it always has amazed me, that a group of 20 blues that will jump on a gang of Greater Dragons or Ancient Wyrms will retreat and quit if two red names appear on screen.
just my 2 cents, a few random thoughts...take it for what you will.

 

[Mapper]

In fairness to the EMs also, you have to consider that their hands may be a bit tied by Mythic. Seems I remember reading somewhere that their events are scripted by the devs, giving them *some* latitude but mostly follow the outline given to them. And that the events would be tied into the story arcs, blah blah, etc etc. So the EMs may not have a lot of freedom to just run free with random happenings. And the few times I have seen them step out and do something "off the cuff" people have bitched pissed and moaned about it so loudly that were I an EM, I'd say screw this, and walk off.

Europa EMs don't seem to have a problem doing what they want... if I were on Legends I'd certainly feel left out compared to other shards.

 

[ATLPvPer]

I don't know i'm always going to events on legends . Almost ever Sunday they have miss a couple weeks here and there . I guess people should watch at bank and at all the gates . The last pvp tournament they couldn't even finish because people was killing the players that was dueling .

Well that sounds like horrible EM planning to me.

How were they able to target players that were dueling?
Isn't their fighting house made so that those dueling can't be targeted, line of sight, by those outside the dueling arena?
That isn't the player's fault. That is the EM's fault.

 

[Omnius]

Well that sounds like horrible EM planning to me.

How were they able to target players that were dueling?
Isn't their fighting house made so that those dueling can't be targeted, line of sight, by those outside the dueling arena?
That isn't the player's fault. That is the EM's fault.

Basically 1 guild who has been run off got smashed at every event. The major problem was the EM wanted to cry about a short delay that took place, meanwhile his event had been so poorly announced that the dominant pvp guild on the shard at the time hadn't even known there would be an event.

 

[Omnius]

Europa EMs don't seem to have a problem doing what they want... if I were on Legends I'd certainly feel left out compared to other shards.

I play legends primarily and have not been able to attend an event in ages, and a good event since around this time last year...