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Lava Cards for ATM Cash?

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vapd3317

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Everyone in the game at this point in time is a founder.

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This may be true, but not something that I agree with. In my opinion (and that is exactly what it is, "my opinion"), the only ones who are true founders are those that took the bullet train, as they came without a home and had to purchase a lot in order to build one. Although, they did come with property objects. Those that merge are coming with everything they own including any residences, objects, and the lot to place it on. The only thing in common with those that took the bullet trains, is the fact that they arrive with no money just as we did.

This seperates those that took the bullet trains from the mergers with the fact that the bullet train riders, built thier properties from scratch and established themselves in a new community to prepare it for others to follow.

They sacrificed what they owned, knowing full well that they would be starting over completely. THOSE people are the true founders of EAland and should recieve recognition as such. The same as the founders of TSO had received recognition.

Once again, this is just "my opinion".

I stand corrected by Katheryne, as it has been pointed out that Initial EAlanders arrived before the bullet trains, without any objects.
 
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For those of you who have used the ATM machine to cash in. For "This" week a secondary process runs to give out the cards.


Cheers,

Lee

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Ok Lee now I'm confused. lol

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Lee is saying that anyone who has used the ATM this week will get another set (or sets) of cards, as some have said they didn't get them when the used the ATM.
 
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The lava lamps will be worthless and meaningless if everyone and their brother has one..the whole point was an appreciation gift to ealand founders..it is stupid, I honestly dont care much about the lava lamps

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ah... well I don't base worth and meaning on what others have... I think the lava lamps are cool and if everyone and their mother has one - I would still like it.

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Right on Shari!

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Ditto


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This may be true, but not something that I agree with. In my opinion (and that is exactly what it is, "my opinion"), the only ones who are true founders are those that took the bullet train, as they came without a home and had to purchase a lot in order to build one. Although, they did come with property objects. Those that merge are coming with everything they own including any residences, objects, and the lot to place it on. The only thing in common with those that took the bullet trains, is the fact that they arrive with no money just as we did.

[/ QUOTE ]I see... So, the people who started from scratch in EA-Land to get the place set up so you "movers" have some place to skill, make money, and green... We don't count?
 
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MaxCTSO

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This game is turning into a joke. Pretty soon the only people who will be able to succeed in this game will be the ones who use the ATM's.
 
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vapd3317

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No Katheryne, you are quite right, They actually were the first ones there and ty for pointing that out.
 
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imported_remflyer

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Everyone in the game at this point in time is a founder.

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This may be true, but not something that I agree with. In my opinion (and that is exactly what it is, "my opinion"), the only ones who are true founders are those that took the bullet train, as they came without a home and had to purchase a lot in order to build one. Although, they did come with property objects. Those that merge are coming with everything they own including any residences, objects, and the lot to place it on. The only thing in common with those that took the bullet trains, is the fact that they arrive with no money just as we did.

This seperates those that took the bullet trains from the mergers with the fact that the bullet train riders, built thier properties from scratch and established themselves in a new community to prepare it for others to follow.

They sacrificed what they owned, knowing full well that they would be starting over completely. THOSE people are the true founders of EAland and should recieve recognition as such. The same as the founders of TSO had received recognition.

Once again, this is just "my opinion".

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Only sims that took the bullet train should be considered founders? What about those of us who created a new sim in the extra slot that EA gave to every account. That was before bullet trains and we didn't have an inventory full of things.
 
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imported_Gracie Nito

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We're all founders right now because we are playing EAland-beta
 
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vapd3317

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Yes Rem,...check my reply to Katheryne, I too was one of those sims and forgot even of my own initial EAlander.
 
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imported_Shirl1211

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Being given cards with patterns on them with your ATM simolean purchase is not gambling.

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1) Extra cards are only available when you spend real money.

2) There is a random selection of card you will be given at that time.

"Chance" and "real money" seem to pretty much fill the description of gambling to me.

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I thought the definition of gambling as far as EA was concerned was recieving a cash reward. That's not the case here so how can you classify it as such?
 
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imported_Shirl1211

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Everyone in the game at this point in time is a founder.

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This may be true, but not something that I agree with. In my opinion (and that is exactly what it is, "my opinion"), the only ones who are true founders are those that took the bullet train, as they came without a home and had to purchase a lot in order to build one. Although, they did come with property objects. Those that merge are coming with everything they own including any residences, objects, and the lot to place it on. The only thing in common with those that took the bullet trains, is the fact that they arrive with no money just as we did.

This seperates those that took the bullet trains from the mergers with the fact that the bullet train riders, built thier properties from scratch and established themselves in a new community to prepare it for others to follow.

They sacrificed what they owned, knowing full well that they would be starting over completely. THOSE people are the true founders of EAland and should recieve recognition as such. The same as the founders of TSO had received recognition.

Once again, this is just "my opinion".

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Only sims that took the bullet train should be considered founders? What about those of us who created a new sim in the extra slot that EA gave to every account. That was before bullet trains and we didn't have an inventory full of things.

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IMO the people who came in on the bullet train felt that they we're joining the created sims as part of the founder family. At least when I came in and left my size 8 lot with my home behind, I did so in order to help in building the new city. I guess this is a matter of opinion. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I created a sim on the 1st day that the new city opened and either way thier both playing in the beta stage of the game so what do you call it?
 
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I thought the definition of gambling as far as EA was concerned was recieving a cash reward. That's not the case here so how can you classify it as such?

[/ QUOTE ]Doesn't matter what EA clarify it as, when you're at a real life casino, those nice little plastic chips you get have no inherent value in themselves except for the amount stamped on them. Clearly they are something you get a cash equivalent for. In this case, by offering a 'cash out' facility they are defining the simolean as having an actual real life value in the same way that a real world currency may have an exchange rate against US$.

There's been a similar debate on the SL forums, where the "Linden Dollar", in itself just game money, has a real world value, when defined as a reason why gambling there is not allowed. Whilst it has been hotly debated on both sides, the bottom line is that when you have an exchange between game money and real money (whether permitted as it is now, or not as it was previously) there is an element of fungibility involved which rather complicates matters.

Now, whether you are talking a 'bonus' (say 5% extra if you spend over $20 in one transaction), or a lava lamp card, you are receiving something as a direct result of exchanging real life cash for game goods.

Fungibility... it's not just for mushrooms.
 
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imported_julilyn

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I was cheching out the atm machine yesterday trying to get it to work and I was awarded cards for it today.

btw I need to match cards 1 3 6 7 12 and some all purple one thats not yet approved
 
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imported_MARCIN2006

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The one that is all purple and says is not approved, is the cause of a error julline. Read the stick post about lava game cards for instructions on how to fix the error and be able to see the card.
 
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imported_Shirl1211

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I thought the definition of gambling as far as EA was concerned was recieving a cash reward. That's not the case here so how can you classify it as such?

[/ QUOTE ]Doesn't matter what EA clarify it as, when you're at a real life casino, those nice little plastic chips you get have no inherent value in themselves except for the amount stamped on them. Clearly they are something you get a cash equivalent for. In this case, by offering a 'cash out' facility they are defining the simolean as having an actual real life value in the same way that a real world currency may have an exchange rate against US$.

There's been a similar debate on the SL forums, where the "Linden Dollar", in itself just game money, has a real world value, when defined as a reason why gambling there is not allowed. Whilst it has been hotly debated on both sides, the bottom line is that when you have an exchange between game money and real money (whether permitted as it is now, or not as it was previously) there is an element of fungibility involved which rather complicates matters.

Now, whether you are talking a 'bonus' (say 5% extra if you spend over $20 in one transaction), or a lava lamp card, you are receiving something as a direct result of exchanging real life cash for game goods.

Fungibility... it's not just for mushrooms.

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Nope. Casinos don't give little chips anymore they print out money vouchers and thier entire intent is to pay that that amount in cash. Big difference then getting a visual gift. You can assume it to be anyway you want but all actuality, it has no comparison what so ever. Opps, I forgot about Black Jack and roulette but same thing, they have monetary value when you recieve them.
 
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You can assume it to be anyway you want but all actuality, it has no comparison what so ever.

[/ QUOTE ]So you think it was for moral reasons that they decided to ban gambling, nothing to do with the problems of when you have the facility to officially turn game money back into real money?

EA can give away these 'cards' as prizes in competitions, but not as a direct consequence of spending real money in their ATM.

The whole issue of 'virtual economies' is a very big legal minefield that has been actively debated in the Second Life community ever since they started the Lindex cash exchange, and after several years of activity there are still differing opinions as to the legal status of 'virtual goods'. Therefore, it isn't entirely surprising that EA aren't fully familiar with how to conduct themselves in these matters.

Whilst, of course, right now there would be pretty much nothing we can do against EA if they are found to be breaking the law by tying in giving cards to paying real cash - the federal authorities may well have different thoughts if this thing got big. Right now, the EA exchange is very, very small - but when it grows to something like the size of Lindex, where around a million real dollars worth of game cash, objects and land is traded in and out every day, it definitely will gain someone's attention.

EA's legal department probably think they've got it all covered. They probably have. For now. Until someone challenges it.
 
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MrMiagi

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How long until you receive your cards after using atm? Because it's definetly not instant...
 
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imported_remflyer

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Everyone in the game at this point in time is a founder.

[/ QUOTE ]

This may be true, but not something that I agree with. In my opinion (and that is exactly what it is, "my opinion"), the only ones who are true founders are those that took the bullet train, as they came without a home and had to purchase a lot in order to build one. Although, they did come with property objects. Those that merge are coming with everything they own including any residences, objects, and the lot to place it on. The only thing in common with those that took the bullet trains, is the fact that they arrive with no money just as we did.

This seperates those that took the bullet trains from the mergers with the fact that the bullet train riders, built thier properties from scratch and established themselves in a new community to prepare it for others to follow.

They sacrificed what they owned, knowing full well that they would be starting over completely. THOSE people are the true founders of EAland and should recieve recognition as such. The same as the founders of TSO had received recognition.

Once again, this is just "my opinion".

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Only sims that took the bullet train should be considered founders? What about those of us who created a new sim in the extra slot that EA gave to every account. That was before bullet trains and we didn't have an inventory full of things.

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IMO the people who came in on the bullet train felt that they we're joining the created sims as part of the founder family. At least when I came in and left my size 8 lot with my home behind, I did so in order to help in building the new city. I guess this is a matter of opinion. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I created a sim on the 1st day that the new city opened and either way thier both playing in the beta stage of the game so what do you call it?

[/ QUOTE ] Shirl, IMO we are all founders because we are still in Beta. Vapd, sorry didn't see your response to Katheryne as I was typing my response to you. I was surprised that you didn't include those of us who created here as those deserving to be founders. Lol..hehe...forgot your original sim so you do include us in your opinion of those who deserve to be founders.

The way I see it we are all still struggling through a beta version of the game and should all be considered founders. I also do not have a problem with people getting extra cards for using the ATM. This game needs to make money or we will have no game. If giving extra cards helps people to hand over their cash to EA I'm for it. I just wish they told us on the blog that they were going to do this.
 
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It is my understanding that the "founder" object to be given to EA Land founders is a plaque that hangs on the wall.
The way I read Pari's post on the blog is that this (the lava lamp) is something being given to the "founders". But, it doesn't mean that this is the 'founder object':
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When The Sims Online went live on December 17, 2002, everyone that had helped test the game was called a Founder. Because EA-Land is a new game, you guys, our awesome players are now considered Founders. (Yes, it is possible to be both an EA-Land and a TSO Founder.)


It is our extreme pleasure to present to you, our Founders, the Groovy Lava Game!



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At one point, she descibes it as "a rare Founder lava lamp!", but at no time is it defined as "the Founder object".
Soooo, it appears that this is simply a promotional tool, and NOT the founder object.

As for the ATM giving out cards - I'm disappointed at the dev's blatant money grab. I thot they had more class.
 
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You can assume it to be anyway you want but all actuality, it has no comparison what so ever.

[/ QUOTE ]So you think it was for moral reasons that they decided to ban gambling, nothing to do with the problems of when you have the facility to officially turn game money back into real money?

<u>EA can give away these 'cards' as prizes in competitions, but not as a direct consequence of spending real money in their ATM.</u>

The whole issue of 'virtual economies' is a very big legal minefield that has been actively debated in the Second Life community ever since they started the Lindex cash exchange, and after several years of activity there are still differing opinions as to the legal status of 'virtual goods'. Therefore, it isn't entirely surprising that EA aren't fully familiar with how to conduct themselves in these matters.

Whilst, of course, right now there would be pretty much nothing we can do against EA if they are found to be breaking the law by tying in giving cards to paying real cash - the federal authorities may well have different thoughts if this thing got big. Right now, the EA exchange is very, very small - but when it grows to something like the size of Lindex, where around a million real dollars worth of game cash, objects and land is traded in and out every day, it definitely will gain someone's attention.

EA's legal department probably think they've got it all covered. They probably have. For now. Until someone challenges it.

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How can I put this?..... The hell they can't.

If I can get a toaster when I open a bank account - EA can give away promotional came pieces.
If I can get a coupon for $10.00 off my next visit from my local hardware store - EA can give away promotional game pieces.
If I can get $5.00 off my next tank of gas for every $100.00 I spend at a local supermarket - EA can give away promotional game pieces.
If I can get a free gallon of paint for every 5 gallons I buy at the paint store - EA can give away promotional game pieces.
The list goes on.

Not only that - but look at what we are talking about - game items that have no intrinsic value - or are you suggesting there is a "sell-it-here" type of window where we take these cards and turn them in for RL cash?
Nor are they a "direct consequence of spending real money in their ATM".
The money received is the "direct" consequence of using the ATM - the cards are an "extra", a "bonus", a "free gift". Something that is not a part of the normal, intended function of the device.
As of this moment - there is nothing in the game that has RL value as defined by the game. Not until "cash-out" is enabled does that become an issue.
Even then, only simoleons will have RL value (unless objects are somehow made directly saleable for cash).
This is why the production cities did not have to lose their casino objects - simoleons had no RL value.
So, since promotions don't fall under the umbrella of "gambling", and the objects in question have no RL value anyway - I think we're ok.

 
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Today in EALand word began to spread about a player receiving bonus lava cards for using the ATM this week. This player claimed to have received 14 lava cards with a note Thanking them for using the Cash-in Paypal feature this week.

I'd like to know if this is a rumor being spread or if TPTB actually distributed more lava cards to ATM users.

If true, I would like to know exactly how they determined these cards be distributed? Was the ATM user only supposed to get one set of cards or did they receive a set of cards for each transaction? Was it based on monetary value of their purchase?

Why was this particular feature of the game not announced on the blog?

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This is not a rumor. Players can get extra cards to participate in the game. This is ideal for the free player that does not want to subscribe, but does want to participate in this mini-game.

To answer your last question... Do you remember the first time you zoomed in on the hoola lamp girl and saw her shaking her hips? Do you remember the first time you right clicked on a closed IM to delete it? Just like the higher/lower skilling speed, payout amounts, etc, you guys will notice that we will keep some easter eggs close to our vests (or something like that). We want you guys to get the full enjoyment out of finding them yourselves. Plus, we have absolutely no doubt that both good and bad news spread like wildfire. =)
 
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imported_debslee

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Today in EALand word began to spread about a player receiving bonus lava cards for using the ATM this week. This player claimed to have received 14 lava cards with a note Thanking them for using the Cash-in Paypal feature this week.

I'd like to know if this is a rumor being spread or if TPTB actually distributed more lava cards to ATM users.

If true, I would like to know exactly how they determined these cards be distributed? Was the ATM user only supposed to get one set of cards or did they receive a set of cards for each transaction? Was it based on monetary value of their purchase?

Why was this particular feature of the game not announced on the blog?

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This is not a rumor. Players can get extra cards to participate in the game. This is ideal for the free player that does not want to subscribe, but does want to participate in this mini-game.

To answer your last question... Do you remember the first time you zoomed in on the hoola lamp girl and saw her shaking her hips? Do you remember the first time you right clicked on a closed IM to delete it? Just like the higher/lower skilling speed, payout amounts, etc, you guys will notice that we will keep some easter eggs close to our vests (or something like that). We want you guys to get the full enjoyment out of finding them yourselves. Plus, we have absolutely no doubt that both good and bad news spread like wildfire. =)

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WOOT - does this mean there is an Easter Egg hunt????? *starts getting itchy feet* LOVE Easter Egg Hunts!!!!!!
 
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Where is my cards? I used there stupid machine all I got was simoleans. Talk about lack of fairness. Well EA. Never again will I be using your ATM's Now take that to the Bank.

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Do you have a free account? The ones reporting they got lava cards are all known premium account holders, so that could be why.
 
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Parizad's last response implies that this is available for free players, also.
 
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Where is my cards? I used there stupid machine all I got was simoleans. Talk about lack of fairness. Well EA. Never again will I be using your ATM's Now take that to the Bank.

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PM me your account name please. We'll look into it.
 
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imported_debslee

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Hey Pari, did you get my email about lava cards on my second account? Or do I need to get them from the ATM Machine (is that what one does?????).

Ta
 
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Hey Pari, did you get my email about lava cards on my second account? Or do I need to get them from the ATM Machine (is that what one does?????).

Ta


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They should automatically appear in your inventory just as simoleans appear on your account. If they do not appear immediately, leave the property that you're on, and from city view, go to a property.
 
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Noddy Bond

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nope i never got any either

just the 4 i had already

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Dogsoffour

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So if people are trying to get extra pairs of cards I have to ask...


Is there any advantage to having 2 matches on your sim?

Will all sims be recieving lava lamps, or just the oldest?

What if I buy an extra pair and put in on a non-oldest sim, then would they get a lava lamp?
 
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