Large Luna Atlantic Plot For Sale *READ*

[Stoned Mariner]

Time has come to sell the old Luna house and move on from the game. Sold off most of my rares, but still moving the last few, and the house of course.

It is located on Atlantic shard, inside Luna walls. Walk out of the moongate to the East and go South on the road 2 houses. Plot has 4 Sale spelled out in water tiles. Owner name is Tempo, and my ICQ is on the sign.

Taking serious offers only. Payment method must be via western union. Or through a broker using paypal that I agree to use.

ICQ me at 104072232 if you are interested...


Recent offers I have received ranged from $1200-1500 cash. And 1.2 billion gold...So if you are offering, please make the offer in that range or better if you expect bids to be entertained.

 

[Guest]

Are you still selling the white bells off the old vendor you had?

 

[Guest]

dude if you got a 1.2b offer for that house id take it and run with it, thats absolutely insane, the small houses where vitas used to be only went for 400-500m and those are the best housing spots in the game.

 

[Guest]

First those spots were sold at a discount because both the seller and buyer were in the same guild. Second, they are 7x7 and even the best vendor spot in the game is not going to fetch the price of slightly less desirable 18x18 or other large size house.

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

and this house is right next to the "prime spot" - easily worth the 1.2B in todays luna crazy market.

 

[Guest]

1.2billion..seriously? ..thats a lot of gold to make back vending before you get into profit with normal gameplay?????

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

People pay up to 1M for prime vendor spots in Luna on Atlantic.

 

[Guest]

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1.2billion..seriously? ..thats a lot of gold to make back vending before you get into profit with normal gameplay?????

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No, houses haven't been going for near that. In fact a friend just got a really nice sized spot in a nice location (inside the wallz) for ~300
If the fellow got that much offered to him great for him but he should be advised to take it.

 

[Kaj]

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People pay up to 1M for prime vendor spots in Luna on Atlantic.

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1B I presume?

Or did I miss some sarcasm?

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

1M/week for a vendor spot is what I meant.

 

[mandosa-nice]

lol on Europa is 500m the max for the best shop in the shard on the town of luna.
And you find alot best place for free to make a vendor so the Atlantic player are fool...

 

[Kaj]

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lol on Europa is 500m the max for the best shop in the shard on the town of luna.
And you find alot best place for free to make a vendor so the Atlantic player are fool...

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You do need to consider that 99% of all houses on Europa are worth next to nothing. House prices on Atl are significantly higher. And Luna on EU isn't the prime vendor location, while on Atl it is the place to be. Plus Atl has more players (which also explains the higher house prices).

I know how much some big vendors on EU sell per day, and it will take them a long time before they've come near that 500m in sales, let alone profit. So it would be just prestige. And that you show up on some sites that I can't mention here.

Ergo, Atl has a different style. And many more customers.

 

[mandosa-nice]

I know perfectly the market on EU because i have the second most bigger shop of Europa, so

Atlantic don't have a good price compared to Europa for me. And be back on Europa luna city, now all the shops are full of vendors, Darsus and the other bigger broker are back on luna city.
The street of bluewolf trader shop is not the most bigger place now and for sale a big shop for 100m+ is very hard now.

Atlantic is the most bigger US shard so is normal you have the most rich player too

 

[Guest]

Europa is a strange market, it's a lot rich for the euro.

Atlantic is the main market of all shard, if someones want find something must go to Atlantic and transfer to its shard.

The main difference for the house price, is that on Atlantic the player pay for a vendor, on Europa not.

Now after a lot of time, on Europa the player are interested to luna, when 2 years ago i open my shop, i have paid for my 4 plot near 340M (110, 100, 80 and 50), today the tia shop near my shop and museum is on auction for 352M... Is very high price for Europa, i have paid last week for a plot in front of Tia 80M (the correct price).

Sorry for the of topic.

In topic.
I don't understand which is your request for the shop.
what are you mean: "Recent offers I have received ranged from $1200-1500 cash."?
Have you a start price for an auction or not?

 

[Guest]

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1.2billion..seriously? ..thats a lot of gold to make back vending before you get into profit with normal gameplay?????

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You also have to consider distinction. Like having a lot of nice rares or whatever, having one of the best house spots in all of UO is very distinguishing to some people, and they will pay more to get it.

 

[Guest]

Does anyone really have 1.2 billion these days? 500 or 600 mill maybe but 1.2! Thats alot of cash. I have been selling a Luna house on Europa and i sold one the other day and the 500 mill mentioned here is the top rate i can tell you. I figure that its worth 700-900 mill. House prices have taken a tumble with these "search" tools that i hear about, it kinda makes all houses even which is bad for us sellers!!! I have been trying to sell Brit moongate houese on GL and LA for ages with no luck...So let us know how it goes with the sale as it might give hope to us fellow property developers.

 

[Guest]

1.2 seems like alot of money to many people, but really isnt that much cash when you put it into perspective and consider how much some items in game cost.

 

[Guest]

There are people who pay thousands of dollars for uo pixels, and there are definitely people who have billions of gold. Also a guild might want such a place as a vendor shop and all would pitch in to get it (well, it's possible if not probable).

 

[Guest]

A huge differnce between Europa and Atlantic is also ''uo-auction2''

Plenty of EU players use the auction instead of expensive vendor costs while it seems no-one on ATL use the auction and prefer the vendors in shops.

While Atlantic is a fuller shard for sure, there aint that vast a difference in population, both shards are well played, its basically the selling styles. And both shards have free empty house spaces, although, only smaller ones on ATL, while EU does have a few 18x18s free, hence again ATL house prices are much more.

 

[Guest]

the house for sale had its rent set at 250k, and 1.2 bil or around there is a bit high, but not completely unreasonable unreasonable for the size of the house, its location, and the rent it would pull in.

 

[Guest]

i Might make like 10-20m a week on rent. would take years to get the 1.2b back....i dunno i jus dont see it being worth that much IMO

 

[Guest]

if its 50 vendors, 12.5m per week, for 650m per year, which is 975$ if they sell their gold at 1.5.

 

[Guest]

What are people selling that they are getting &gt; 12.5M per week on 50 different vendors?
I've got two Luna vendors and I don't clear near that.

 

[Guest]

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What are people selling that they are getting &gt; 12.5M per week on 50 different vendors?
I've got two Luna vendors and I don't clear near that.

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That would be the rent....

But making mone whether in luna or not is quite simple. If I dont get lazy and make sure my inventory levels are kept up, and then maintain my vendor stock I'll turn anywhere from 100m-500m in a week on my vendors on any given shard.

It's really quite simple....

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

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the house in question however would probably be lucky to get 200-300k per week for spots.


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That really depends on the person who buys the house. When we used to care, wynn and I charged 500K per spot for a mall on a trammel island. This house definitely has the -potential- to make more than 200-300K without the amount of work you might need to put into a non-luna mall. Also comparing what the 7x7s sold for back when Luna Atlantic was UTTERLY destroyed by mass bans is like comparing prices when gold used to sell for 10 usd/mil. Furthermore, it is not about making your money back. As much as I hate Luna, Luna houses tend to go up in value only and as such is considered a safe investment.

Finally, I dont think Justin really wants any unsolicited advice. He knows what he is doing.

 

[Stoned Mariner]

This is a "rares collectors" board right??? I realize in the new era of rares 99% of so called "collectors" are really just resellers and money collectors more than anything. But since when did you have to justify the price of a rare by how much you could resell it for.

If youve never bought a rare for your personal collection, knowing you could infact be paying more than youll get in the future, then you seriously dont even belong on this board.

On that note there are key facts that make the offers in getting perfectly justifiable.

1. With all the gold/cash generated in this game. If you think $1500 cash means a lot to people in this game, youre wrong. Personally Id rather have one of the best located vendor houses on the highest trafficed/business oriented shard over say a duped Lt. sash for close to the same price. The money/gold is out there, people are infact willing to pay these prices.

2. Tomas is absolutly right, the right person could turn that plot into a cash cow and charge 500k a week. Wynn and Tomas turned some piece of [censored] location on an Island, no conventional access other than their gating/rune dropping, into hands down, the most successful, heavily trafficed mall in the history of UO. That is indisputable.

3. And lastly, back to my original point. This is a "rares collecting" forum. Not "rares resellers". I realize thats all that most people are interested in these days. The profit they can make from flipping items sold here. But to someone who actually plays the game for fun in addition to money. Having such a well located house is worth the investment to enhance their game experience.

Thank you for all the advice and comments. All well said and well received. I will notify the board in this post when the deal is finalized, which it will be in due time. Multiple offers of $1500 have been received and Im just trying to work out details of payment/broker use, etc. So everyone can sit tight and stop worrying that "Im a fool if I dont take the offer".

Its very comforting to have everyone so concerned about the sale to make sure I realize what generous offers I've received and shouldnt pass up. Thanks guys. Much love.

 

[Guest]

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What are people selling that they are getting &gt; 12.5M per week on 50 different vendors?
I've got two Luna vendors and I don't clear near that.

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That would be the rent....

But making mone whether in luna or not is quite simple. If I dont get lazy and make sure my inventory levels are kept up, and then maintain my vendor stock I'll turn anywhere from 100m-500m in a week on my vendors on any given shard.

It's really quite simple....

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Yes I realize that would be the rent. I'd think the 50 people placing vendors there would like to at least get back what they pay in rent no?
I've got all kinds of things on my vendors and get no where naer 100-500M a week on any of them.

 

[Guest]

then perhaps its time to do one of several things.

1. raise/lower your prices as necessary
2. obtain better wares
3. find a shard with larger population
4. find a better location to place your vendors.

 

[Guest]

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then perhaps its time to do one of several things.

1. raise/lower your prices as necessary
2. obtain better wares
3. find a shard with larger population
4. find a better location to place your vendors.

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Umm yeah...
and what are you and these 50 vendor owners at this house (of the OP) going to sell to create the 100-500mil per week mark?

 

[Guest]

I sell the following:

Event Rares/Rares
PVP Weapons
PVM Weapons
BKIT Armor
Doom Artifacts
Minor Artifacts
Peerless Ingredients
Hair Dyes
Powder of Fort
Clothing Bless Deeds
120 PS
Cursed Doom Artifacts
Treasures of Tokuno Items
10th Anniversary Artifacts

and other such similar items.

Yesterday was a slow day, as I had moved my vendors to a new house, two days ago, but did not stock them until yesterday afternoon at 3pmish. But still managed to turn about 50m yesterday. So, while not an amazing day, still decent.

 

[Guest]

Maybe people just wanna buy it for bragging rights? Who cares if they don't make their money back... Will anyone make their money back if they bought a high end rare? NOPE! unless they sold it of course. If YOU wouldn't spend 1.5 bil, doesn't mean someone else won't.

Just let the man sell his house.

 

[Guest]

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I sell the following:

Event Rares/Rares
PVP Weapons
PVM Weapons
BKIT Armor
Doom Artifacts
Minor Artifacts
Peerless Ingredients
Hair Dyes
Powder of Fort
Clothing Bless Deeds
120 PS
Cursed Doom Artifacts
Treasures of Tokuno Items
10th Anniversary Artifacts

and other such similar items.

Yesterday was a slow day, as I had moved my vendors to a new house, two days ago, but did not stock them until yesterday afternoon at 3pmish. But still managed to turn about 50m yesterday. So, while not an amazing day, still decent.

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I am selling the same items. I make about ~1m a day on really good days.

 

[Guest]

Don't know what to tell you then, either your shard doesnt have a high demand for the items your selling, or there are too many other players selling the same items at similar or lower prices.

My advice compare your prices with others, and see where you stand.

Also take into consideration what sort of stock levels you have. I generally have 2-5 of everything, unless its a good seller then i have a few extras. This way as soon as something sells i can replace it. Do I risk losing money if the market for that item becomes saturated or prices drop as they did for doom artys, yes. Does it happen often? No, can you predict and plan for it, yes.

 

[imported_Suzzy]

1.2 billion for this house, for it's size, location and shard is not unreasonable. Large size, prime location, most populated shard... if you want a luna house on the most populated shard and you can afford to throw down, then why wouldn't you buy this?

 

[Stoned Mariner]

Flutter if you are selling those kinds of items and only pulling 1mil a day profit. You need to find a new profession in game. Even if you only bought and resold 1 EM rare a week. You should be able to pull millions in profit right there if you have a clue about the market value and how resale works.

 

[Guest]

sorry but 1.2billion is crazy if u have to shop work 2 years (thats a whooping 600 million clear/per/year) just to get the money back u pay for the house...without making any prophit....good luck...but jeepers... u will need it.. if u got offered 1.2 billion go take it sharpish!!!

 

[imported_Suzzy]

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I sell the following:

Event Rares/Rares
PVP Weapons
PVM Weapons
BKIT Armor
Doom Artifacts
Minor Artifacts
Peerless Ingredients
Hair Dyes
Powder of Fort
Clothing Bless Deeds
120 PS
Cursed Doom Artifacts
Treasures of Tokuno Items
10th Anniversary Artifacts

and other such similar items.

Yesterday was a slow day, as I had moved my vendors to a new house, two days ago, but did not stock them until yesterday afternoon at 3pmish. But still managed to turn about 50m yesterday. So, while not an amazing day, still decent.

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I am selling the same items. I make about ~1m a day on really good days.

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On a weekly basis I pull in a lot just off of weapons and armor alone.

 

[Guest]

So you all are tellin' me that a house with 50 vendors in it all can earn 100-500mil a week on them? Is that seriously what y'all are claiming?

 

[Stoned Mariner]

You might not be grasping how the powergamers in UO operate Flutter. I could open up 5 vendors if I wanted. With some effort and dedication, I could turn well over 100mil profit a week selling wares on them. Ask Wynn, or Tomas, or anyone else who has built their billions of gp through resale.

Just cause you arent effective or skilled enough to do it, doesnt mean its not possible.

 

[simonovsk]

There's no need to be rude or to make assumptions like that.

In my opinion, you are the one who should go and do something else if playing this game makes you think you are entitled to make that kind of considerations about people.

How many persons can honestly claim they are making 100 mils a day off their vendors? I play on europa, and I don't think anyone here gets that much a day, it really depends a lot on external factors such as shard's population, number of traders on the shard, and so on.

One thing tho : when you people are talking about how much you're making, you're not talking about profit right, but total income. So an interesting thing to ask would be what sort of investment does it require, and how did you get that much money in the first place?

 

[Stoned Mariner]

I am refering to profit as it were. And in order to generate 100s of millions in profit week to week needs a solid billion gold right off the bat in my opinion.

Gotta spend money to make money...but thats not to say those of us who have that kind of bankroll now didnt start from scratch. Id venture most of us did. Ive ran rares vendors from basically 6 months into the game. As soon as I built up a million (back when 1 mil was a lot of gold), I started vendoring rares/semis, and the sky is the limit from there.

Just gotta maximize your profits based on your expenses. This house Im selling for instance. I purchased it for 12.5 million within a few months of the creation of Luna/Malas. Invest (be it real estate or rares, commodities, etc), and find out what sells quick, and keep going from there.

 

[imported_Suzzy]

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There's no need to be rude or to make assumptions like that.

In my opinion, you are the one who should go and do something else if playing this game makes you think you are entitled to make that kind of considerations about people.

How many persons can honestly claim they are making 100 mils a day off their vendors? I play on europa, and I don't think anyone here gets that much a day, it really depends a lot on external factors such as shard's population, number of traders on the shard, and so on.

One thing tho : when you people are talking about how much you're making, you're not talking about profit right, but total income. So an interesting thing to ask would be what sort of investment does it require, and how did you get that much money in the first place?

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Although I agree with some of what you said in that there is a better way to make a point than to question someone's ability to grasp concepts, by no means do I agree with your other points.

The point of this thread is to sell a house. That's it. When people start to come out of the wood work with their opinions on what the value of the house should be, that creates a problem. Clearly, this house is only meant to be sold to the select few who can afford it, and those few happen to be the ones who can pull in 100mil in a day through trades, vendor sales, etc.

The moment people start questioning methods of money making whether it be because they are not capable or ignorant to the fact on how to do it, creates the levels of difference. Basically, this thread should only be regarded by the few who can afford to buy this house, but people had to chime in with their opinion on what it "should" cost. If you can afford to buy a million dollar home, you don't need the peanut gallery to come in and say, oh that house isn't worth a million, or that house doesn't warrant the price tag, etc. If someone can afford it, let them buy it, and leave it at that.

 

[Guest]

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There's no need to be rude or to make assumptions like that.

In my opinion, you are the one who should go and do something else if playing this game makes you think you are entitled to make that kind of considerations about people.

How many persons can honestly claim they are making 100 mils a day off their vendors? I play on europa, and I don't think anyone here gets that much a day, it really depends a lot on external factors such as shard's population, number of traders on the shard, and so on.

One thing tho : when you people are talking about how much you're making, you're not talking about profit right, but total income. So an interesting thing to ask would be what sort of investment does it require, and how did you get that much money in the first place?

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I play europa and i have on various days well cleared the 100mill in a day mark.

 

[simonovsk]

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The point of this thread is to sell a house. That's it. When people start to come out of the wood work with their opinions on what the value of the house should be, that creates a problem. Clearly, this house is only meant to be sold to the select few who can afford it, and those few happen to be the ones who can pull in 100mil in a day through trades, vendor sales, etc.

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I'm not questioning this fact, but, the point of this thread being to sell a house, how did we end up having to read things like : <blockquote><hr>

Just cause you arent effective or skilled enough to do it, doesnt mean its not possible. <blockquote><hr>

, while the op was never attacked at any point?


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The moment people start questioning methods of money making whether it be because they are not capable or ignorant to the fact on how to do it, creates the levels of difference.

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If you, or the op, are not ready to accept those "levels of difference", then please do not post on boards, as boards are made to interact with others. If everyone had your level of expertise you'd be in club, this isn't a club.

As for Vortex, I've seen your vendors operating since you installed them in your luna shop a few weeks/months ago, and let me doubt they're making 100 mils profit a day. They're nice and well stocked, I'm not saying you're not making more than that sometimes but we're talking about an everyday profit of over 100 mils here...

 

[Stoned Mariner]

Ha...no attack on the OP???? You dont consider every single post saying "this house is not worth the offers youre getting...or youd be an idiot not to take those offers right now" an attack??? Are you serious?

Anytime someone posts something for sale, and someone questions the value of bids, yea, theyre not at all responding the the point of the post, to purchase the house, they are out to sabotage the post/sale, this is a fact, it happens all the time.

And all you seem to be doing is attacking everyone. All your statements are negative and doubtful, purely based on your opinion.

The house isnt worth the bids
No way people can make 100s of millions in gold...

Again...just because you arent capable, for whatever reason, of achieving that type of success from resale, absolutly does not mean others have not, and can not.

 

[Guest]

We are talking 50 vendors (as per DVI) all making 100-500 mil per vendor per week consistantly.
This can still be done and have a life and world outside of UO without scripting or cheating in any way? Or is it some sort of full time job.
Since apparently I am not "effective or skilled enough to do it" myself, I'd like to know the secret. There are a few cool items I would like to buy in UO that I've never been able to afford.

 

[Stoned Mariner]

Ha, dude, if you thought what he posted originally implied that 50 vendors could all be generating 100s of mils a week, then you misinterpreted the statement and for whatever reason have ignored the obvious rediculousness of your interpretation.

For real, if you thought DVI meant you could have 50 vendors all making 100s of millions per vendor a week, wow, I am speechless.

 

[Guest]

Well "dude", we started by saying all 50 were going to make &gt; the weekly cost to place which is 12.5 M
At which point I questioned how 50 vendors would make that much.
Which turned into how silly I am since it seems people can generate 100-500M per week rather effortlessly.... notice DVI says to have made 50M in what he appeard to think was a so-so day? Hence the entire conversation.

 

[Stoned Mariner]

Still not seeing where anyone states 50 vendors could all turn 100s of mil profit. Youre taking his comment about what his personal vendors make, and trying to apply it to all those who would rent a vendor spot. Which is rediculous.

But...there is a fact that remains, anyone should be able to turn a profit on the vendor fees, 12.5mil in profit to break even. Thats insanely easy if you stock even semi regularly with quality items, so long as you yourself arent paying out the ass for them.




P.S Why are you even posting in this thread in the first place Flutter. Youve already established the price is too high for your taste. You have no interest in the item for sale here. You just derive pleasure from picking fights and derailing threads?

 

[Guest]

I am posting in this thread because I am interested in it.
Who died and made you moderator? Are you on some sort of alt posting name?
I am asking questions about the profit making abilities of such a purchase because I am interested. I, too, would like to make 100m a week on my vendors.
Who wouldn't?