Just seems to get worse :(

[Guest]

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People have been talking about this since Saturday and yet not a single dev has posted anything about it....the paying subscribers are debating this with no official input at all...

We dont know there reasons for doing it, if it is permanent or what.....are they ignoring us because they dont know how to explain why they have done what they have done ?? , and yes i know they are very busy with the move but they have time to post blogs about other matters so there is no excuse for ignoring us....

I would email EA customer support but the last time i did, they said they would get back to me in 24 hours....and then 4 days later i got a response from them and they didnt even answer the question i asked them....

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A decrease in payouts in no reason for a dev to make an official post. We have been told numerous times that payouts will increase and decrease depending on the amount of money in circulation and also depending on how widely used a specific object is. It just so happens that right now the way to make money is through job tracks. Eventually job tracks will become overly popular and the payouts will return to money objects. At least, that's what I would speculate based on the information we've been given.

 

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I agree. We will never be able to get rid of the bots completely. But, we can't keep the payout this low because of the cheating few.

I am so tired of people (devs) making me play their game, or wanting me to love this glorified chat room and deal with it. How about some communication from the devs on how close they are to finishing their "secret weapon" against bots. They only tell us very little about whats going on.

A big problem in the past was the lack of communication, and as I see it, it has not improved much.

Also, I would like to build a house to my liking, and the tiles I want are about $20 each. With each jam I make I can buy 2 tiles. Hmmmm, at that rate with decorating the walls, buying items for the guests in my house,,,,I will be jamming for 6 months. And how dare you tell me that I have to get a job to make money. Is that what this game is about, make money this way or else! And the pay there is worthless also.

All I want is a payout that is at least 20% of what is was to begin with. In typing the highest pay was approximately $650,,,is $130 too much to ask for?
I dont think so, and its a comparable rate that I think would make everyone happy.

If you don't like what I say, too bad,,,I don't like your evil smile as you tell me the devs are the greatest!

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Well then if that is the problem then maybe we should ask that the cost of tiles, walls, and etc. be reduced to make up for the low payments. We did for the clothes and look what we got.

 

[jackdoe]

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I agree. We will never be able to get rid of the bots completely. But, we can't keep the payout this low because of the cheating few.

I am so tired of people (devs) making me play their game, or wanting me to love this glorified chat room and deal with it. How about some communication from the devs on how close they are to finishing their "secret weapon" against bots. They only tell us very little about whats going on.

A big problem in the past was the lack of communication, and as I see it, it has not improved much.

Also, I would like to build a house to my liking, and the tiles I want are about $20 each. With each jam I make I can buy 2 tiles. Hmmmm, at that rate with decorating the walls, buying items for the guests in my house,,,,I will be jamming for 6 months. And how dare you tell me that I have to get a job to make money. Is that what this game is about, make money this way or else! And the pay there is worthless also.

All I want is a payout that is at least 20% of what is was to begin with. In typing the highest pay was approximately $650,,,is $130 too much to ask for?
I dont think so, and its a comparable rate that I think would make everyone happy.

If you don't like what I say, too bad,,,I don't like your evil smile as you tell me the devs are the greatest!

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very well said

, and i agree, there has to be a point where certain mods here know they cant defend everything the devs are doing because they cant even give a straight forward answer to a question as simple as "why take away our choice of earning our sim money from single objects ? "....

And i also agree about raising the payout slightly to something like $130 max, it sure beats the $50 max per jam i get now....

Are the devs going to remove all money from the game ?? because thats the only way the bot makers wont be able to make new programs to counteract what they are currently doing...

 

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But this will not make the bots go away. They use software to play 24/7, lowering the payout don't mean anything to them. They can still make more than the person that actually is there with their sim.

Yes, there are SOME things to do without money, but not most. If I just wanted a chat room, there are plenty to go to that doesn't cost me any money.

I joined this game because it had chat while meeting personal goals, and money has a lot to do with that. The way things are it would take me at least 6 months to make enough to furnish a decent house, never mind building the house.

Yes, the economy ruined TSO, but thats because the devs let an exploit go on for weeks before addressing it. That is not the average players fault.

Money is definitely needed for this game, and the devs are just making it more aggravating and not worth the time to work for it. I hear newbies and older sims alike saying that they have had enough of devs playing the game they way they want and not listening to the players that are paying their salaries.

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Just about every aspect I've seen added to the game since the new dev team came in is something I've seen suggested at one point or another by players. Even if it was tweaked by EA in its way, it was still a player suggestion.

A\so I'm not sure our subscriptions are enough to cover the what... 19 salaries of the people on our EA Land team. I'm pretty sure our game is still operating at a loss... but thats just an assumption.

I do understand the frustration of having to learn a new game. But Roger is right, I think we are all way too used to unlimited simoleans.

 

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People have been talking about this since Saturday and yet not a single dev has posted anything about it....the paying subscribers are debating this with no official input at all...

We dont know there reasons for doing it, if it is permanent or what.....are they ignoring us because they dont know how to explain why they have done what they have done ?? , and yes i know they are very busy with the move but they have time to post blogs about other matters so there is no excuse for ignoring us....

I would email EA customer support but the last time i did, they said they would get back to me in 24 hours....and then 4 days later i got a response from them and they didnt even answer the question i asked them....

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A decrease in payouts in no reason for a dev to make an official post. We have been told numerous times that payouts will increase and decrease depending on the amount of money in circulation and also depending on how widely used a specific object is. It just so happens that right now the way to make money is through job tracks. Eventually job tracks will become overly popular and the payouts will return to money objects. At least, that's what I would speculate based on the information we've been given.

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So a simple reply here from a dev saying the current payouts are only a temp thing is too much to ask ?? or how about an explaination as to how they came to the desission to cut payouts to a 1/4 of what they where overnight ??

 

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If the Dev team is working on combatting the bots with low payouts, the only payout that is going to get rid of the bots is a $0 payout.

[/ QUOTE ]The only guaranteed way to get rid of botters is if <u>everybody</u> stopped buying their simoleans.

Yes, it's that simple!

Stop making botting profitable for the botters, and they will go away. Then perhaps the payouts will increase.

Just a thought.

 

[Guest]

*ttl*

I dont know why everyone is complaining so much. Really the goals are the same it just may take longer to get there, which is just fine with me.

I wasnt able to get in the game for a few days after IH merged. I have very little time to play with my work schedule on top of that. Yet I have managed to get 4 top skill points locked, earned 3k uploaded a couple pieces of CC which only cost me about $200. As far as I'm concerned in the short amount of time I've been on I'm doing really well. I dont see why its such a problem for everyone else, unless your trying to earn 10k a day. Those days are gone forever time to moooove on!

 

[jackdoe]

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If the Dev team is working on combatting the bots with low payouts, the only payout that is going to get rid of the bots is a $0 payout.

[/ QUOTE ]The only guaranteed way to get rid of botters is if <u>everybody</u> stopped buying their simoleans.

Yes, it's that simple!

Stop making botting profitable for the botters, and they will go away. Then perhaps the payouts will increase.

Just a thought.

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Or if the payouts wernt so low then maybe we wouldnt need the botters...i wonder how many people are buying a botting program right now thanks to the extremely low payouts ??

Botters are always going to be a round as long as there are games they can profit from...

 

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Or if the payouts wernt so low then maybe we wouldnt need the botters...i wonder how many people are buying a botting program right now thanks to the extremely low payouts ??

[/ QUOTE ]Just stop. Right there.

That excuse is sooo full of holes, it has no hope of floating.

Maybe if the problem with bots only started happening as a result of the lowered payouts, maybe you might have a point. But the problem with bots has been with us for the last several years - payout amounts have absolutely no bearing on the bot problem. People utilizing their "services", however, are.

Niki is right: The days of the 10k pizza rounds are over. Get over it.

 

[jackdoe]

And i suppose you telling us few players here that if people would stop using botting programs then there wouldnt be this problem is a much stronger argument for the stupidly low payouts ??

Only yesterday i saw 3 people asking about the website to go and buy the pizza bot program, so i suppose you could say that for some people the botting problem is just starting because now people feel the need to use them again....we all know they where asking about the bots because of the lower payouts...

On sunday there was a group in a money house talking about the bots in french and they where booted out.....

2 wrongs dont make a right, how is it right to punish us non bot users ??

I am not asking for 10,000 payouts, i am asking to have back what we had last week and thats a decent payout for single money objects...

Jesh some people know how to twist words.....

 

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And i suppose you telling us few players here that if people would stop using botting programs then there wouldnt be this problem is a much stronger argument for the stupidly low payouts ??

Only yesterday i saw 3 people asking about the website to go and buy the pizza bot program, so i suppose you could say that for some people the botting problem is just starting because now people feel the need to use them again....we all know they where asking about the bots because of the lower payouts...

On sunday there was a group in a money house talking about the bots in french and they where booted out.....

2 wrongs dont make a right, how is it right to punish us non bot users ??

I am not asking for 10,000 payouts, i am asking to have back what we had last week and thats a decent payout for single money objects...

Jesh some people know how to twist words.....

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You are absolutely right. As it stands I'm sure the bot programs are more popular than ever. The only difference is, they can bot to their hearts content and the economy won't be thrown too much for a loop.

It has been stated that when the bot problem is solved payouts will become slightly higher again. I believe this statement, though I do not believe we will ever be getting the payouts that we used to see. Payout fluctuations are going to be a major part of the "big picture" of EA-Land. I suggest everybody start to adjust to it now, because I honestly do not foresee a time when payouts stay constant.

 

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And i suppose you telling us few players here that if people would stop using botting programs then there wouldnt be this problem is a much stronger argument for the stupidly low payouts ??

Only yesterday i saw 3 people asking about the website to go and buy the pizza bot program, so i suppose you could say that for some people the botting problem is just starting because now people feel the need to use them again....we all know they where asking about the bots because of the lower payouts...

On sunday there was a group in a money house talking about the bots in french and they where booted out.....

2 wrongs dont make a right, how is it right to punish us non bot users ??

I am not asking for 10,000 payouts, i am asking to have back what we had last week and thats a decent payout for single money objects...

Jesh some people know how to twist words.....

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You are absolutely right. As it stands I'm sure the bot programs are more popular than ever. The only difference is, they can bot to their hearts content and the economy won't be thrown too much for a loop.

It has been stated that when the bot problem is solved payouts will become slightly higher again. I believe this statement, though I do not believe we will ever be getting the payouts that we used to see. Payout fluctuations are going to be a major part of the "big picture" of EA-Land. I suggest everybody start to adjust to it now, because I honestly do not foresee a time when payouts stay constant.

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"Payout fluctuations" , i dont call a reduction from $200 to $50 per jam a fluctuation, i call it a plan to get us buying simoleans at the ATM

 

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As for our blithering cheerleaders who love shouting down anybody who dares to voice anything other than their "TSO is the bestest, and our dev's rock!" mantra, no I won't "get over it". I perceive them as a problem far worse than bots, trial account abuse, exploits, or even incompetent dev's. The cheerleaders have caused more damage to this game by reinforcing moronic design decisions and quieting dissent, than the damage any of the other issues have caused.

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I applaud this statement. Sad, but oh so true in my opinion as well. I have noticed many who use to cheer seem to have put their pom poms away, could it be they took off those rose tinted glasses and see what's really becoming of this game they thought would be great.

I miss TSO, it was a game like no other...

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I would say they were tired of the crappy treatment they received by other players for no reason. Trust me...they are still positive, they just don't bother sharing their opinion with people who don't want to hear it.

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QFT/E!!!!!! Beat me to it. That, and the same thing I've said before, the negative attitudes of others sometimes bleeds over and makes even the people who are positive less positive, to downright negative some days. It's not right to let other people's attitude control yours, but its part of the human condition....being constantly negative is *always* easier and takes much less energy in any situation than being positive, so those who are negative, whether they realize it or not, have a tendency to leech the positivity out sometimes, to the point that sometimes to stay positive its necessary to not even read the boards for a period of time so that the negativity doesn't pull you under like a current in a river...but then that's not good either because then those positive people arent' around to share their attitudes with those who *want* to be positive.

To that end, Roger, if you're going to say that the overly positive crowd is ruining things, I've got to say that the overly negative are doing their share of it too, especially when you look at how the negativity might be perceived by a newbie.

 

[Guest]

You couldnt pay me enough to use a bot nowadays. Of course I actually value my acct! The devs are tough on cheaters and scammers now days, just because you dont hear about accts being cancelled for life doesnt mean it isnt happening! If I heard someone asking for botting info I would report them on the spot, yes just for asking.

 

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And i suppose you telling us few players here that if people would stop using botting programs then there wouldnt be this problem is a much stronger argument for the stupidly low payouts ??

Only yesterday i saw 3 people asking about the website to go and buy the pizza bot program, so i suppose you could say that for some people the botting problem is just starting because now people feel the need to use them again....we all know they where asking about the bots because of the lower payouts...

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Problem: Payouts are really low; payouts lowered due to botters.

Solution: Bring more botters online.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with that logic???

Even if one completely overlooks the problems with that plan, how does one justify spending money on something guaranteed to keep payouts low, when the same money could buy an awful lot of simoleans right out of the ATM - and not have a negative impact on payouts?

 

[jackdoe]

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You couldnt pay me enough to use a bot nowadays. Of course I actually value my acct! The devs are tough on cheaters and scammers now days, just because you dont hear about accts being cancelled for life doesnt mean it isnt happening! If I heard someone asking for botting info I would report them on the spot, yes just for asking.

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And i think that is a totally fair policy , you can get away with online cheating anywhere else so why in Ea-land ??

Using these bots will take away any fun of the game...just like taking away the ability to earn money the way you want to...at the moment EA-Land has turned into a £10 per month (thats $20 US ) IM program

 

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And i suppose you telling us few players here that if people would stop using botting programs then there wouldnt be this problem is a much stronger argument for the stupidly low payouts ??

Only yesterday i saw 3 people asking about the website to go and buy the pizza bot program, so i suppose you could say that for some people the botting problem is just starting because now people feel the need to use them again....we all know they where asking about the bots because of the lower payouts...

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Problem: Payouts are really low; payouts lowered due to botters.

Solution: Bring more botters online.

Am I the only one who finds that logic completely and utterly moronic???

Even if one completely overlooks the idiocy of that plan, how does one justify spending money on something guaranteed to keep payouts low, when the same money could buy an awful lot of simoleans right out of the ATM - and not have a negative impact on payouts?

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Not only guaranteed to keep payouts low, but also guaranteed to flag their account.

 

[jackdoe]

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And i suppose you telling us few players here that if people would stop using botting programs then there wouldnt be this problem is a much stronger argument for the stupidly low payouts ??

Only yesterday i saw 3 people asking about the website to go and buy the pizza bot program, so i suppose you could say that for some people the botting problem is just starting because now people feel the need to use them again....we all know they where asking about the bots because of the lower payouts...

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Problem: Payouts are really low; payouts lowered due to botters.

Solution: Bring more botters online.

Am I the only one who finds that logic completely and utterly moronic???

Even if one completely overlooks the idiocy of that plan, how does one justify spending money on something guaranteed to keep payouts low, when the same money could buy an awful lot of simoleans right out of the ATM - and not have a negative impact on payouts?

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Because i guess these players dont want to give EA the satifaction of getting more money from them by having to buy simoleans at an ATM.....

As moronic as it may sound to you, this is what is happening, at the moment its the devs Vs the botters and its us non cheaters who are paying for it by loosing out on what we pay monthly for, and that is an enjoyable way to escape from the everyday stresses of real life...

 

[mysticlisa516]

You are assuming that everyone selling their simoleans are botters. Wrong again!!!!

 

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I'm not seeing where the problem is.

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One of the biggest problems is that the vast majority of TSO players are use to an environment of simoleans being essentially worthless, and being able to buy whatever they wanted. No longer the case obviously.

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Did you not see where it was said that we need to FORGET ABOUT THE OLD TSO? It's gone. Forever. Adios. Deceased. There were just as many people getting bored to death because in the old TSO they could make a million simoleans a week so very soon there was nothing to do. Now the goals are more long term. Yes, goals that used to take a person a month will now take them 6 months, but all that does is give the *true* goal-oriented person more to do and weed out the *instant gratification* people that refer to themselves as goal-oriented IMO.

 

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Because i guess these players dont want to give EA the satifaction of getting more money from them by having to buy simoleans at an ATM.....

[/ QUOTE ]And so, in their completely selfish greed, and desire to "stick it to the man", they are perfectly willing to force the payouts to remain low for everyone else? And in so doing, not only place their accounts at risk, but guarantee the lowered payouts continue in perpetuity?

Sounds like the very sort of people I want OUT of my game!

 

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Because i guess these players dont want to give EA the satifaction of getting more money from them by having to buy simoleans at an ATM.....

[/ QUOTE ]And so, in their completely selfish greed, and desire to "stick it to the man", they are perfectly willing to force the payouts to remain low for everyone else? And in so doing, not only place their accounts at risk, but guarantee the lowered payouts continue in perpetuity?

Sounds like the very sort of people I want OUT of my game!

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Me too!

 

[jackdoe]

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I'm not seeing where the problem is.

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One of the biggest problems is that the vast majority of TSO players are use to an environment of simoleans being essentially worthless, and being able to buy whatever they wanted. No longer the case obviously.

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Did you not see where it was said that we need to FORGET ABOUT THE OLD TSO? It's gone. Forever. Adios. Deceased. There were just as many people getting bored to death because in the old TSO they could make a million simoleans a week so very soon there was nothing to do. Now the goals are more long term. Yes, goals that used to take a person a month will now take them 6 months, but all that does is give the *true* goal-oriented person more to do and weed out the *instant gratification* people that refer to themselves as goal-oriented IMO.

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If that persons goal is to have a floor in there home and it takes them 6 months to get it via money making objects then i cant see EA-Land lasting too long somehow......

 

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You are assuming that everyone selling their simoleans are botters. Wrong again!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]Within the bounds of the Rules of Conduct, would you care to enlighten me with some evidence that refutes my claim?

 

[mysticlisa516]

I sell the simoleans I make so I can play the game, and I adjust my price to be fair with the way payouts are at the time. BUT, I am always with my sim making the simoleans. I DO NOT use a program making the simoleans. So to lump everyone that sells simoleans as a botter is completely unfair.

 

[Guest]

I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

 

[Guest]

I actually don't believe there is much botting going on at all. Now I know that's going to get jumped on and is infact saying our devs are feeding us a pile of crap.
If you were to take some time and work out the figures the way I have you would see that even without bots there is still a major problem in the way the economy can, will and has blown out. Even with payouts as low as 50 simoleans for a single money object with maxed skills a player can make a living from sitting at their computer without a bot. That's saying that EA do the buybacks at 15% lower than sale value the way they said they want to. Now you may say that making that quantity of simoleans is impossible, believe me I am not stating anything here that I have not investigated thoroughly. It is fact that it can be done and to a small extent is being done. And more importantly will be done to a larger extent if they release the buybacks with things set the way they are.
It is fact that a single person without using bots could make in access of $40 an hour real money with the payouts as low as 50 simoleans.
I am really starting to believe that the devs have plans to do away with money lots all together and all of what has been happening with the economy is just softening us up for that. I used to defend the devs if anyone suggested that before because I didn't believe they could be so dirty.

 

[dirndingle]

I don't think that presuming that lower payouts may lead to more bots is "moronic" or "idiocy" at all. I have seen it happen in other games.

They just bring more bots online to make up for the difference.

As an aside - is it normal business on these forums for the mods to assail posters with dripping sarcasm and straw man arguments?

If so, I think I'll just not hang out here. It's very unprofessional to wear two hats at one time like that.

 

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Because i guess these players dont want to give EA the satifaction of getting more money from them by having to buy simoleans at an ATM.....

[/ QUOTE ]And so, in their completely selfish greed, and desire to "stick it to the man", they are perfectly willing to force the payouts to remain low for everyone else? And in so doing, not only place their accounts at risk, but guarantee the lowered payouts continue in perpetuity?

Sounds like the very sort of people I want OUT of my game!

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Again sounds moronic but its true....but think about this, for the last 6 weeks i have not seen anyone in game or on any of the numerous forums i visit mention bots at all, and then EA lower the payouts and suddenly people want to know where to get them..it just seems that this method of economic control is fueling the fire not quoshing it

So do you think it is fair that people like myself and the other anti stupid payout subscribers here are now unable to play the how we want to ??

 

[TrinityDivine]

I just got back into the game so I'm a little detached from the whole scene right now and perhaps can speak more objectively than those of you who have invested a lot of time here. Anyway here are my thoughts...

I think what everyone needs to realize is that EA Land is adopting a radically different business model than TSO. You don't have to pay a fee, but if you don't, you cannot earn money from the game either. Even if you choose to pay the monthly fee, once they enable the cash out feature (letting you convert your simoleons to dollars) then they will have to make sure that dollars leaving the economy do not exceed the dollars going in or else they lose. What this means is that the simoleons you make through jobs or money objects or whatever (ie. simoleons that the game gives you) will not exceed the value of money going into the game through subscriptions and ATM withdrawals. I think balancing this will be a very difficult thing to do so I wouldn't be surprised if money objects and jobs will eventually go away.

What this all boils down to, is that EA Land will be a very different "game" than TSO used to be and to be very honest, I think it will attract a totally different crowd. Whereas TSO appealed more to the builders, EA Land will appeal more to the socializers.

EDIT: I just wanted to add, if what I'm saying isn't clear at all, just look at Second Life as an example, because that is exactly the direction where EA Land is moving.

 

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I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

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Exactly. We should have to work towards our goals. However, EA is kind enough to give those who need instant gratification a means to do so, via the ATM.

 

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I sell the simoleans I make so I can play the game, and I adjust my price to be fair with the way payouts are at the time. BUT, I am always with my sim making the simoleans. I DO NOT use a program making the simoleans. So to lump everyone that sells simoleans as a botter is completely unfair.

[/ QUOTE ]So, let me get this straight...

The whole argument presented in this thread is that payouts are ridiculously low, barely enough to sustain a sim's survival, let alone make a reasonable profit. And yet, somehow, you are able to not only see to the welfare of your sims, but have plenty left over to spread far and wide?

This seems completely contradictory to the premises of the arguments presented in this thread.

So... What is your secret?

 

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I'm not seeing where the problem is.

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One of the biggest problems is that the vast majority of TSO players are use to an environment of simoleans being essentially worthless, and being able to buy whatever they wanted. No longer the case obviously.

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Did you not see where it was said that we need to FORGET ABOUT THE OLD TSO? It's gone. Forever. Adios. Deceased. There were just as many people getting bored to death because in the old TSO they could make a million simoleans a week so very soon there was nothing to do. Now the goals are more long term. Yes, goals that used to take a person a month will now take them 6 months, but all that does is give the *true* goal-oriented person more to do and weed out the *instant gratification* people that refer to themselves as goal-oriented IMO.

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If that persons goal is to have a floor in there home and it takes them 6 months to get it via money making objects then i cant see EA-Land lasting too long somehow......

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If not using the top end tiles, or heck maybe even if you are, unless you're only making money for 30 minutes to an hour a day, it *can not* take that long to tile a floor. Either you're reaching to find something to justify pure laziness or you don't understand that you need to make objects for several successive green cycles, not just one and say 'welp, done making money for the day!'. Most jobs are not all moonlight and roses. Many people like their jobs, but if they had the opportunity to bring home the same amount of money doing something less taxing, they would. It sounds to me, and to alot of others, like some people still want something for nothing, or something for very little. The game is set up so if that's how you feel about it, fine....no biggie....you can have your instant gratification, but be ready to hand EA some more RL bucks to do it with. Be grateful. Before the last big exploit that led to 10k per case payouts, the lazy people had to go to individuals to get their instant gratification (for rares that time instead of houses) and in so doing risk getting scammed out of their RL$ with no recourse to get it back. At least EA has given you a secure way to be sure you get what you pay for if you feel you *must* have things *NOW*.

 

[jackdoe]

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I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

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Exactly. We should have to work towards our goals. However, EA is kind enough to give those who need instant gratification a means to do so, via the ATM.

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How is it "kind" of them to make us pay even more money to be able to do the things i was happily doing last week without the need of an ATM ??

The solution to all of this is simple, put the payouts back to what they where last week , or even i would be happy at $150 max skill payout , $50 per payout is uncalled for no matter what excuses they give us...

There are other TOTALLY free MMO games where the devs actually listen to the players when they say that things like mob drops are too low , they dont just ignore them...if they feel they need to adjust payouts thats fine, but reducng them to 1/4 of what they where is ridiculous and without any reason for the drastic drop or option for us to give feedback

 

[mysticlisa516]

When they lower the payouts, I have to raise my price which is disheartening. BUT, it takes me well over a month to make enough to sell at an undersell rate that EA offers.

No matter what, I still believe that the payouts are too low. I have very little set aside for my property. My circumstances are a little different than the average person that plays, but Im not going into that. I sell simoleans to buy my monthly subscription so that I can play a game that I enjoy, which is slowly evaporating.

All I want is a game that I enjoy. Some are into job tracks, some are into CC, but get some more things into the game that makes it enjoyable for the many different people that play. If not raising the payouts, at least make it fun. Both are not in the game at the moment.

 

[Guest]

I said months ago that payouts would go down to where they are now and everyone laughed at me.
I say now that they will go down even further in the not to distant future.

 

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One of the biggest problems is that the vast majority of TSO players are use to an environment of simoleans being essentially worthless, and being able to buy whatever they wanted. No longer the case obviously.

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Did you not see where it was said that we need to FORGET ABOUT THE OLD TSO? It's gone. Forever. Adios. Deceased. There were just as many people getting bored to death because in the old TSO they could make a million simoleans a week so very soon there was nothing to do. Now the goals are more long term. Yes, goals that used to take a person a month will now take them 6 months, but all that does is give the *true* goal-oriented person more to do and weed out the *instant gratification* people that refer to themselves as goal-oriented IMO.

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If that persons goal is to have a floor in there home and it takes them 6 months to get it via money making objects then i cant see EA-Land lasting too long somehow......

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If not using the top end tiles, or heck maybe even if you are, unless you're only making money for 30 minutes to an hour a day, it *can not* take that long to tile a floor. Either you're reaching to find something to justify pure laziness or you don't understand that you need to make objects for several successive green cycles, not just one and say 'welp, done making money for the day!'. Most jobs are not all moonlight and roses. Many people like their jobs, but if they had the opportunity to bring home the same amount of money doing something less taxing, they would. It sounds to me, and to alot of others, like some people still want something for nothing, or something for very little. The game is set up so if that's how you feel about it, fine....no biggie....you can have your instant gratification, but be ready to hand EA some more RL bucks to do it with. Be grateful. Before the last big exploit that led to 10k per case payouts, the lazy people had to go to individuals to get their instant gratification (for rares that time instead of houses) and in so doing risk getting scammed out of their RL$ with no recourse to get it back. At least EA has given you a secure way to be sure you get what you pay for if you feel you *must* have things *NOW*.

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justify pure laziness ?? i run a shopping lot where i sell all my own custom content, CC that takes hours to make....i dont want to get a sim job, i want to run my lot, something i was able to do last week by spending an hour or 2 jamming to fund new uploads and re-stocking......

I can no longer do this and it has nothing to do with being lazy, it has to do with the payouts being reduced by 3/4 overnight....

 

[mysticlisa516]

If a house doesn't have the best greening objects or pleasant to the eyes, no one will visit.

Who are you to tell me what I should or should not build.

 

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Why should someone HAVE to get a job to be able to earn money in this game ?? we have always had various options on the way we want to play it , this includes skilling up in specific skills to earn money from single objects such as jams...if people dont want to go and get a sim job to be able to get by in the game then we pay enough for our subscription to not be forced into doing this to earn cash

Lowering the payouts to a stupidly low level is forcing people into playing the game in a way they dont want to

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I don't want to have to have a job. I don't want to stand around a pizza table all day, either. And I hate making jams. I want people to come over to my house and hand me money. As a paying subscriber, I feel that is my right, and I feel my game play is being forced, making me do things I don't want to do in order to get paid.

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Is there someone telling you that you can't try to get them to do it?

 

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I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

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Exactly. We should have to work towards our goals. However, EA is kind enough to give those who need instant gratification a means to do so, via the ATM.

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How is it "kind" of them to make us pay even more money to be able to do the things i was happily doing last week without the need of an ATM ??

The solution to all of this is simple, put the payouts back to what they where last week , or even i would be happy at $150 max skill payout , $50 per payout is uncalled for no matter what excuses they give us...

There are other TOTALLY free MMO games where the devs actually listen to the players when they say that things like mob drops are too low , they dont just ignore them...if they feel they need to adjust payouts thats fine, but reducng them to 1/4 of what they where is ridiculous and without any reason for the drastic drop or option for us to give feedback

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They don't have to give us reasoning or allow us to give feedback. Fortunately we can give our feedback, though there is no guarantee it will be considered. I stand by my statement about the ATM. I haven't used an ATM because I haven't felt the need to, but it is always an option for those who need instant gratification, because EA-Land doesn't offer that anymore.

 

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I feel the need to say that just because they are not acquiescing to the cries of those saying 'Give us higher payouts!!!' doesn't mean they don't hear them, it just means that the answer is 'no' for right now, for reasons that are unknown to all of us. Some people seem to have a real problem with the word 'no' whether stated or implied, they think that since they pay EA's salaries that EA should jump to their every request/demand the way a servant would. The problem with that is that yes, you are paying EA's salaries, but so are those of us who either have no problem with the way things are, or are willing to lump it if not like it for the good of the over all picture, so if they switch gears to your request, then they will not be listening to this half of the playerbase. Solution: they have to not only listen to the playerbase collectively, they have to do what they feel is the best way to acheive *their* goals, since it is their game, and deal with the griping that comes along with it.....cuz no matter what they did, somebody would be griping.

 

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I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

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Exactly. We should have to work towards our goals. However, EA is kind enough to give those who need instant gratification a means to do so, via the ATM.

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Working towards your goals is hard when they keep moving the posts.

 

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I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

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Exactly. We should have to work towards our goals. However, EA is kind enough to give those who need instant gratification a means to do so, via the ATM.

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How is it "kind" of them to make us pay even more money to be able to do the things i was happily doing last week without the need of an ATM ??

The solution to all of this is simple, put the payouts back to what they where last week , or even i would be happy at $150 max skill payout , $50 per payout is uncalled for no matter what excuses they give us...

There are other TOTALLY free MMO games where the devs actually listen to the players when they say that things like mob drops are too low , they dont just ignore them...if they feel they need to adjust payouts thats fine, but reducng them to 1/4 of what they where is ridiculous and without any reason for the drastic drop or option for us to give feedback

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They don't have to give us reasoning or allow us to give feedback. Fortunately we can give our feedback, though there is no guarantee it will be considered. I stand by my statement about the ATM. I haven't used an ATM because I haven't felt the need to, but it is always an option for those who need instant gratification, because EA-Land doesn't offer that anymore.

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you keep saying instant gratification like it relates to what i am saying....how is wanting something to show for my time playing a game i enjoy instant gratification ?? am i asking for the 1 million house payouts to return ?? no, i am asking for them to not take us paying customers for granted and give us the reasons for why they are doing what they are doing...

The mods here seem to think the devs are so good....if they where truley good at what they do and really do want EA-Land to become a sucsess like i do then they would listen to and respond to paying customers opinions....

 

[mysticlisa516]

<u>I feel the need to say that just because they are not acquiescing to the cries of those saying 'Give us higher payouts!!!' doesn't mean they don't hear them, it just means that the answer is 'no' for right now, for reasons that are unknown to all of us. </u>

So now EA is playing God,,,thats what I've always heard about prayers being answered.

 

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I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

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Exactly. We should have to work towards our goals. However, EA is kind enough to give those who need instant gratification a means to do so, via the ATM.

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I feel like when I started I could walk towards my goals, then had to jog, then run, then run full pelt and now have to pay for a cab.

Working towards your goals is hard when they keep moving the posts.

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p.s. don't waste your time and energy flamming me, I don't read posts after I write responses.....


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I feel the need to say that just because they are not acquiescing to the cries of those saying 'Give us higher payouts!!!' doesn't mean they don't hear them, it just means that the answer is 'no' for right now, for reasons that are unknown to all of us. Some people seem to have a real problem with the word 'no' whether stated or implied, they think that since they pay EA's salaries that EA should jump to their every request/demand the way a servant would. The problem with that is that yes, you are paying EA's salaries, but so are those of us who either have no problem with the way things are, or are willing to lump it if not like it for the good of the over all picture, so if they switch gears to your request, then they will not be listening to this half of the playerbase. Solution: they have to not only listen to the playerbase collectively, they have to do what they feel is the best way to acheive *their* goals, since it is their game, and deal with the griping that comes along with it.....cuz no matter what they did, somebody would be griping.

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We are asking for FAIR payouts, not higher payouts......$50 per single object at max skill is not a fair payout , it doesnt matter how you try and justify what the devs are doing or why they are doing it....

If in any other business you raise or lower something you supply to your customers, you owe them an explanation or you loose there custom.....at the very least a warning might have been nice to give people a chance to earn a bit of extra cash before the drop or maybe someone like myself wouldnt have just paid $20,000 increasing the size of the lot if they would have known...

Visit money lots and ask if people are happy with $10-50 payouts and ask them why they think EA have done it....all because players dont vent the fustrations on forums doesnt mean they are not venting....

 

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I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

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Exactly. We should have to work towards our goals. However, EA is kind enough to give those who need instant gratification a means to do so, via the ATM.

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I feel like when I started I could walk towards my goals, then had to jog, then run, then run full pelt and now have to pay for a cab.

Working towards your goals is hard when they keep moving the posts.

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Tell me, what are your goals? What would you do with the simoleans if you had them?

 

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<u>I feel the need to say that just because they are not acquiescing to the cries of those saying 'Give us higher payouts!!!' doesn't mean they don't hear them, it just means that the answer is 'no' for right now, for reasons that are unknown to all of us. </u>

So now EA is playing God,,,thats what I've always heard about prayers being answered.

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In a sense you are correct, since EA is the *god* (creator) of TSO/EAL, and yeah you're right, the same thing can be said for RL prayers. Nobody likes to be told 'no' then either, but we all start learning at around 2 years old that 'no' is just a part of life from anybody who has authority over an aspect of our lives, the way that EA has authority over TSO/EAL. We can make our requests known, but it's not right to make DEMANDS just because we pay a PORTION of their salaries. There's no evidence that TSO/EAL is even 'in the black' yet, so we might not even be doing that much, EA very well could be keeping us afloat for the most part still, which earns them gratitude from me, not contempt and disrespect.

 

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I think it should take a new player 6 mo to even buy a piece of land. Why shouldnt they be roomies and move up the social ladder? It should not happen fast thats the point of it being a goal. It would be like me starting Toontown today and expecting to be able to do boss fights tomorrow. We totally need to get past the instant gratification mindset.

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Exactly. We should have to work towards our goals. However, EA is kind enough to give those who need instant gratification a means to do so, via the ATM.

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I feel like when I started I could walk towards my goals, then had to jog, then run, then run full pelt and now have to pay for a cab.

Working towards your goals is hard when they keep moving the posts.

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Tell me, what are your goals? What would you do with the simoleans if you had them?

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I started towards building a store. I didn't have a sim in any old cities to bring accross loaded up. I gave up when the last big drop in payouts and huge rises in items happened. It would take far more time than I have to reach my goals now.