It's Curtains for Curtains

[GreyPawn]

I've noticed a rather unfortunate development with the latest "updates" to add-ons. The breaking and subsequent fixing of goza mats and multi-tile add-on compatibility is laudable, but for some reason now you can't place curtains or pentagrams next to other curtains or pentagrams.

In my home, the corner of one set of walls is covered entirely by curtains. I made the horrible mistake of wanting to redecorate for Halloween, and chopped down a set of two curtains that formed a corner. Now, no matter what I do, they won't go back up. Moreover, arcane bookcases refuse to be placed next to curtains.

Is the UO dev team really that incredibly concerned about the shenanigans we can get up to with interior decorating? Is there a reason, apart from the hilarious escapades with the giant, psuedo-isometric and almost wholly useless Codex of Virtue gift to change the very physics of house decoration? In UO, where the price of the neon dog creature you ride is apt to cost more than most real estate and mages have to pick through to find the best samurai armor to wear, is putting a gargish couch on top of a gargish chair a deal-breaker that warrants the overhaul of the add-on system?

 

[Maplestone]

Perhaps the devs should simply put the hammer down and say "sorry, we're going to fix things so they actually match the design specs and untangle the code once and for all, if there's some bug you enjoyed using to tweak your deco, submit it as a feature request for future content"

*hides behind the curtain*

 

[DevilsOwn]

hold on, lemme drag Viquire and Tina Small over here

hey looky guys!! more stuffs to test on Origin!


GreyPawn, don't suppose you have a screenshot of how the area looked before you took it down, do ya? would be most helpful..... as noted by Chrissay in this thread, the publish to fix this mess of deco bugs is only on Origin at the moment, and they need to know what to look for

 

[RaDian FlGith]

Perhaps the devs should simply put the hammer down and say "sorry, we're going to fix things so they actually match the design specs and untangle the code once and for all, if there's some bug you enjoyed using to tweak your deco, submit it as a feature request for future content"

*hides behind the curtain*

Yeah... I said the same thing to a friend in Vent, and wanted to go hide behind a curtain.

What I would say is that honestly, things like the "counters" people are making by breaking tables could be done simply by letting us craft single piece tiles to lay down. Let us craft the centers of pentagrams (I really can't believe I just said that, but hey, why not...). Not sure what else is often "broken" for sake of doing weird stuff with it, but yeah...

I think we may have to realize that breaking things IS the bug, and let them fix that... but they do need to fix it with an implementation of letting us still deco stuff.

The curtain issue is a bit different though, because you should be able to put curtains behind/near things... not sure how they'd fix that one though.

 

[sablestorm]

Well, the way I see it, if the bug is an entertaining and enjoyable one, why squash it? Penicillan was a bug/accident and look how that turned out.

 

[Tina Small]

I used my last Heritage Token on Origin to make some hanging swords. Can't help test placing curtains next to each other because I only have one set!

 

[Falseprophet]

hey Tina i have plenty of those tokens and i also have some curtains you can use if you want. just let me know.

 

[Xenobia]

I have tons of curtains I haven't hung yet. I'll stop chopping wood (Tina got me all excited about that!) and go try to place few.

 

[Xenobia]

Side by side on one wall works fine but not the corner as the OP posted. They refuse to go up that way.

 

[GreyPawn]

Before the fun gargoyle couch patch, curtains would go up on the wall at corners. Now, they do not.

Why does the live team make these types of changes and then head home for the weekend?

 

[Nastia Cross]

Before the fun gargoyle couch patch, curtains would go up on the wall at corners. Now, they do not.

Why does the live team make these types of changes and then head home for the weekend?

Yeah I'm having the same problem. I also can't place other deeded items anywhere near each other =(

 

[StifledArgument]

Play the ****ing sims online we dont give a **** abou curtains. Stop ****ing your mother and learn to play a game about PVP waffles.

Wow. epic phail troll meister. And mods, gimme a break, I have had a few.

 

[katherinepgoh]

Please Please Please fix this! I cant even put a vanity next to an area where curtains are placed! Curtains were one of the nicest bits of decoration you all gave us, and now their functionality has been effectively cleaved in twain! *beseeches the devs*

 

[Drazasamus]

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine View Post
Play the ****ing sims online we dont give a **** abou curtains. Stop ****ing your mother and learn to play a game about PVP waffles.

i think we just did learn about "pvp waffles"...

 

[AtlanticVlad]

Ug... This is making me angry I was planning a room with cornered curtains in my latest project.... *Sighs* seriously Dev's please just put the code back how it was before you broke everything and FIX or remove the gargish dresser individually!!! you will save your self alot of people angry at you...

Ok and who ever is testing this stuff please refer to this thread.
http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=163321 and for the love of all that is UO and my reason to still play tell me this is working =(

 

[Tina Small]

Vlad, I was able to place a curtain up to the corner inside of a keep. However, I only have ONE set of curtains on Origin and no way to get more of them. So at this point, I can't do any more testing under the publish that's just on Origin and Test Center to see if you can put curtains up on both sides of a corner or do something like place them around a bed.

Perhaps someone can get on Test Center and try it out? I believe you can use the command "Give Tokens" to get a set of different tokens, including the heritage tokens. You can also place a house on Test Center without jeopardizing your own. There just doesn't seem to be any way on Test to try out vet rewards.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

Well, the way I see it, if the bug is an entertaining and enjoyable one, why squash it? Penicillan was a bug/accident and look how that turned out.

Well, if the problem is that the bug is actually causing some very real issues, then certainly, they need to fix it whether or not it's fun for us or not.

But if they do fix the cause of the bug to correct an issue it's causing, they should find the components that people enjoyed that the bug created, and give us the power to craft those components. Thus, the end result of the bug remains -- we get to build counters and such -- while the issue with the bug is corrected.

 

[Tina Small]

I jumped on TC1 and fortunately had a character there that was old enough to place a house. (I think characters have to be 15 days old to place, even on Test Center, unless the devs/engineers waive the requirement somehow.)

Anyway, used the "give tokens" command and made 4 sets of curtains. The screen shot below shows the best I was able to do with placing the curtains in a square. I could not get the curtains on the walls any closer together than as shown...there always seemed to need to be a one tile gap for that particular set of curtain facings.

If you can't place a house there yet and want to play around with the curtains, just send me a PM. The house is almost in the Trinsic swamps...got tired of trying to find a decent spot close to a town. I guess a lot of people like to play on Test. Go figure.

 

[DevilsOwn]

I did the same thing, Tina, on test with the very same results



just so not happy with all this

 

[Wilde1]

Perhaps the devs should simply put the hammer down and say "sorry, we're going to fix things so they actually match the design specs and untangle the code once and for all, if there's some bug you enjoyed using to tweak your deco, submit it as a feature request for future content"

*hides behind the curtain*

I think a LOT of us enjoy deco as part of the game. UO offers customized housing in a way that no other MMO has (that I've played at least). Silly to gimp a part of the game that a lot of us enjoy. Its one of the few areas of this game where a "buff" doesn't come at the expense of some other player (after all, we wouldn't want the upset the pvp b*tch that posted above, heh).

 

[Sellingahouse]

You can no longer make rooms out of tapestry deeds. I have a room made out of them, but cant post a pic and I just tried to make another and they will not fit to make a corner. I like my tapestry room walls better than the curtain walls so could you please fix this also?

 

[Xenobia]

I'm not moving anything in any of my houses anymore until I find out if they fixed this issue. If they don't fix it then I will have "rare rooms" lol

 

[Vaen Swiftar]

Have you guys done the trash-barrel-axing method?

 

[Eyes of Origin]

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine View Post
Play the ****ing sims online we dont give a **** abou curtains. Stop ****ing your mother and learn to play a game about PVP waffles.

i think we just did learn about "pvp waffles"...

Sorry, I know this thread was removed, but wow, that is just bad.
some of the pvpers I know, including myself are also some of the biggest deco freaks I know.

 

[Xenobia]

Sorry, I know this thread was removed, but wow, that is just bad.
some of the pvpers I know, including myself are also some of the biggest deco freaks I know.

PvPers like nice houses too! Just because you pvp does not mean you have to live in a rat hole.

 

[DevilsOwn]

Have you guys done the trash-barrel-axing method?

normal lockdowns seem fine (I've tested quite a few, no stumbling blocks yet) it's the deeded items that won't place next to each other, so the trash barrel method won't work

odd thing noticed ... I have no trouble at placing a hearth of the home fire on any floor deed (haven't tested purchased carpet tiles) and likewise no trouble placing a ladder on any of them, but cannot get any deed to place within a tile of the curtains... this is all just regular placing, haven't made any goza yet

 

[pacific lily]

Perhaps the devs should simply put the hammer down and say "sorry, we're going to fix things so they actually match the design specs and untangle the code once and for all, if there's some bug you enjoyed using to tweak your deco, submit it as a feature request for future content"

*hides behind the curtain*

I agree with you. If it's a bug it needs to be fixed. Had other bugs been fixed in the past, perhaps this one would not have occurred.

lily

 

[DevilsOwn]

disagree, I don't feel that the example presented below was ever initially a bug that required fixing... I can place the red rug in this hallway, except for placement in front of the torch or tapestry (same east/west placement, I'm not trying to get it any closer to the wall)

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[Viquire]

I did do these tests with tapestries and found the same problems and theorized it would carry over to curtains as well.

Tina I would be interested to know if you can place a multi tile goza or square carpet on the floor in from of your knew arms rack on the wall graphic. I also want to test single tile deed items, they do not seem to work the same.

For those of you trying to make inside corners I think the game now "sees" the wall multi tile deeds now occupying the floor tiles as well.

Placing one is fine, and they fixed the code for floor items so they will "share" but the wall items are not behaving in the same way. I figured I'd give it a bit of a rest after my last testing, most items have been fixed and a general broad publish is in the works according to Sakkarah. I plan to submit an FoF regarding these issues tomorrow.

Maple, what makes you think being able to share tiles previously was a bug? If you have information that reflects that I would certainly like to get a steer in that direction.

 

[Amren]

Well, the way I see it, if the bug is an entertaining and enjoyable one, why squash it? Penicillan was a bug/accident and look how that turned out.

You really think the devs should pick and choose which bugs stay and go? I admit this issue is not as serious as some of the bugs in the game, but if it's still considered a bug it should be fixed.

 

[Maplestone]

Maple, what makes you think being able to share tiles previously was a bug?

Er ... well, to tell the truth, I misread what Greypawn was doing - I had been doing a little long-overdue research into multitile house deco basics and had broken art tile tricks on the brain.

( in trying to understand the codex symbol breakage bug, I've been naively trying to wrap my imagination around how the game might be implementing placing a multi-tile decoration and detecting which tiles are connected when re-deeding it )

 

[Viquire]

Er ... well, to tell the truth, I misread what Greypawn was doing - I had been doing a little long-overdue research into multitile house deco basics and had broken art tile tricks on the brain.

( in trying to understand the codex symbol breakage bug, I've been naively trying to wrap my imagination around how the game might be implementing placing a multi-tile decoration and detecting which tiles are connected when re-deeding it )

OK that's programming beyond my very limited *couple of classes in DoS at the High School level oh ,well, lets just say a few weeks ago* level.

 

[Cyrah]

ok, I am asking nice, and I am already not happy about no trick or treating!


When is this deco mess going to do back to what it was? Cannot place a chair in front of a painting? what is "yay team" work around for that?????

How was one barbiefied gargy dresser responsible for all of this mess?

First the walls go tacky dollar store gold, now this. Who on this teams hates deco players this much?

For those who plan on replying work around it go pee vee pee yerself ok? k thanx

 

[Xenobia]

ok, I am asking nice, and I am already not happy about no trick or treating!


When is this deco mess going to do back to what it was? Cannot place a chair in front of a painting? what is "yay team" work around for that?????

How was one barbiefied gargy dresser responsible for all of this mess?

First the walls go tacky dollar store gold, now this. Who on this teams hates deco players this much?

For those who plan on replying work around it go pee vee pee yerself ok? k thanx

K this actually made me laugh (not at you, with you) dollar store gold? LMAO That is probably the best description I have heard. Barbiefied gargy dresser? Why yes, it seems to be the reason our decorating abilities have been flushed down the toilet. Cyrah, I almost pee vee pee'd myself after reading your post. Good job on giving my first real laugh of the day!

 

[GreyPawn]

The problem remains that placement of inadvertent deco add-ons are insisting upon tile exclusivity. Curtains, tapestries, and likely a host of other wall-hanging elements should yield to the placement of objects that realistically occupy the tile (forges, gozas, bookshelves).

It would be nice if when and if this is addressed, it includes not only curtains and tapestries, but also hanging swords, hanging axes, decorative shields, wall banners, flaming heads, wall torches, and the rest of the wall decorations that shouldn't count as being possessed of a tile or more.

 

[AtlanticVlad]

It seems to me it would be easiest to just put the code back to what it was and actually fix the gargish dresser... *Sighs* and has any one on origin actually tested what I linked to earlier in this thread?

 

[Jhym]

It would be much simpler if they reverted the code fix they did for the dressers and just removed the blasted dressers until they could re-work them.

I cannot say the dressers existence outweighs every other decorating style and use.

Remove them, they are obviously full of evil and the cause of all dead puppies and kittens in the world.

 

[Cyrah]

Why has no one on this team replied about this?

Have they broken the code beyond repair and the only one that can fix it left for another game?

I do not need all my homes for deco if I cannot deco. It is as simple as that.

With all due respect Crissay, is it time to deactivate?

 

[Viquire]

This whole thread and others like it are some of the strongest proponents of a new and upgraded client.

When, to add one new thing, we break more than we added it is generally *in the case of this game* because the code we are working with is so unspeakably outdated and its systems interconnections so snarled and entangled that adding just one more thing has become highly problematic.

Envision, if you will, a two outlet grounded wall socket with about 45 things plugged into it. Now I know that the EC is still a work in progress and it is lacking in ways that KR was not. It also has elements that are far superior at the back of the house.

I certainly hope, for the sake of the game and the community that plays it, that the EC will continue to command the necessary attentions to allow the game to be able to move forward with minimal inconvenience to its support staff, and player base.

*edit*By the by, we are at day, well whatever day it is from the publish. Gozas and tables still refuse to be placed on the tiles in front of a tapestry, and probably any other wall mounted deeded deco item on Origin. I think I will consider this broken until such time as "normal" placement is possible. Someone else said workarounds should be considered unacceptable, and I think I am inclined to agree.

 

[DevilsOwn]

Viquire, a very big thank you to you and all others on Origin taking the time from their normal game-play to mess around with the broken stuff.... it is very much appreciated

 

[Uriah Heep]

Why has no one on this team replied about this?

And this troubles me. I am not a fan of the "it's on the radar" and "soon" approach either.

They should just tell us, in plain language straight up,

1. This is how it is, live with it.
2. We have no freakin idea what happened, and can't find the cause, so no idea on when a fix can be made.
3. We know the problem and a fix is targetted for Friday...(date subject to change, as usual )

But say something...sheeesh
Ignoring a problem won't make it go away.

 

[Sarsmi]

ok, I am asking nice, and I am already not happy about no trick or treating!


When is this deco mess going to do back to what it was? Cannot place a chair in front of a painting? what is "yay team" work around for that?????

How was one barbiefied gargy dresser responsible for all of this mess?

First the walls go tacky dollar store gold, now this. Who on this teams hates deco players this much?

For those who plan on replying work around it go pee vee pee yerself ok? k thanx

Don't worry about me, I don't bother trying to help people who don't want help. They can go, ahem, pvp themselves.

 

[Viquire]

Don't worry about me, I don't bother trying to help people who don't want help. They can go, ahem, pvp themselves.

Well, I'm all about intelligent solutions. If you have discovered something regarding wall art that I haven't I'd love to know what it is. I still say that having it work as intended is really the only acceptable solution, but in order to make things work I'd jump through a hoop or two, which I hope I have demonstrated.

 

[Cyrah]

It seems to be a given these days. Not replying for a long time about certain issues.
I wish I knew why. It is simple. If I cannot deco, I do not need many homes.

To the "helper", if you are the same one I saw at the LS luna idoc. I do not want your help. What I saw astounded me and off the pedestal you went. Funny thing is I was not directing that post at you. This one I am lolz , just lolz...

Work arounds are not the answer. No matter how creative they are. The old way is.

 

[Sarsmi]

It seems to be a given these days. Not replying for a long time about certain issues.
I wish I knew why. It is simple. If I cannot deco, I do not need many homes.

To the "helper", if you are the same one I saw at the LS luna idoc. I do not want your help. What I saw astounded me and off the pedestal you went. Funny thing is I was not directing that post at you. This one I am lolz , just lolz...

Work arounds are not the answer. No matter how creative they are. The old way is.

Are you addressing me? I have no idea.