is there a top secret cheat in KR where

[Guest]

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the Dev team has far far more free hand to do soemthing and do it fast in KR
then
in the stone age old 2d code,in this millions and millions of old code, it is barly possible to do something without the fear to burn the player houses down with one wrong hotfix

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I guess your proof of this is how fast they have been at correcting all the bugs in KR. The server code is the same for both is it not? The clients are only a small portion of the code, the cheating problem will permeate both clients.

 

[Der Rock]

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I guess your proof of this is how fast they have been at correcting all the bugs in KR. The server code is the same for both is it not? The clients are only a small portion of the code, the cheating problem will permeate both clients.
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the main problem here is, that the DEV´s made a split on menpower to support 2d and KR,
all the so called "2D client only lover for ever till the real armageddon begins"
AND the true 2D only player (to be not insulting the wrong people)
dont help KR at all.
the small budget they had, was faster gone then KR could replace 3D AND the 2d client.
if the DEV´s could only focus on the KR client then we ALL (true 2D player and the "give KR a chance player" would benefit from

 

[Guest]

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I guess your proof of this is how fast they have been at correcting all the bugs in KR. The server code is the same for both is it not? The clients are only a small portion of the code, the cheating problem will permeate both clients.
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the main problem here is, that the DEV´s made a split on menpower to support 2d and KR,
all the so called "2D client only lover for ever till the real armageddon begins"
AND the true 2D only player (to be not insulting the wrong people)
dont help KR at all.
the small budget they had, was faster gone then KR could replace 3D AND the 2d client.
if the DEV´s could only focus on the KR client then we ALL (true 2D player and the "give KR a chance player" would benefit from

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That could be twisted to say that the money and resources wasted on KR could have been used to improve the current 2D client.

 

[Guest]

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There are no "top secret cheats" in KR nor is one needed to save your hotbars. The methods have been listed in this thread.

The use of one client or the other does NOT make a player a cheater or worse than someone who uses "the other client".

If you want to go after someone for cheating, do it because they cheat, not because they play "the other client".

The "You only play 2d because you want to keep cheat programs" argument is one that needs to be dropped by the people using it on the KR side. It's getting the debate NOWHERE and is as bad as the garbage last night accusing the use of KR being a greater crime than exploiting/scripting.

In other words... DROP IT.

 

[Der Rock]

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That could be twisted to say that the money and resources wasted on KR could have been used to improve the current 2D client.
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NO it can NOT be twisted, u are a member since 01
hmmm,strange
Mr.Tact himself postet here on stratics that it IS impossible to WORK around with this age old code conscientious.

 

[Der Rock]

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when did i say this????
why u try to suggest me that i would mean ALL 2D player are scripter,
why u didnt answer the question how mucgh % u think are cheater?
if u think 90% is to much, then can u persuade the opposide?

last question: have u got to many PM´s that say "stop helping this person"?

 

[Guest]

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I'm saying to not even make the argument that the use of a given client is the equivalent to cheating whatsoever.

If you want to throw out a percentage of people as being exploiters regardless of which client they use, it's up to YOU to prove your numbers with actual hard evidence. It is NOT up to the people involved in calling your BS numbers to prove a negative.

It is upon the accuser to prove their accusation.

Do people cheat/exploit in UO? Certainly. Are there more people who exploit that use 2d compared to KR? Obviously considering there are more people who use 2d than KR in the first place. Can you put a percentage or any other number on how many people DO cheat or want to retain a given client because it allows them to cheat? ABSOLUTELY NOT. So let's drop the argument completely. Unless you can show evidence of someone actually cheating, then let's NOT play the "90% of 2d users are cheaters" meme.

And no, I haven't received any PMs about not helping anyone anymore, but the answer is already in this thread so it would be redundant to go over it again.

I use KR 99% of the time right now (only 2d use is via the laptop to stock my vendor or make certain graphical comparison images when needed), and am a BIG proponent of the client. However I WILL NOT accept baseless accusations as a method of defending or supporting the client I choose to adopt. I don't accept anti-KR posters lying about the KR client, so I won't accept pro-KR posters making unfounded accusations and/or lies about the 2d client. It's not an argument that even needs to be made. The clients can be compared and contrasted on their own merits, not on lies of perception and accusation.

 

[Guest]

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u are a member since 01
hmmm,strange


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Well thats a stong argument. Again the client code is only one piece of the problem; KR does not change the other code.

 

[Der Rock]

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I'm saying to not even make the argument that the use of a given client is the equivalent to cheating whatsoever.-.......
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And i say, where in the World i ever say this??
And i posted above if you are on the non cheater side, how can it insult u?
And i ask,do u know all uo player to say 90 is to much.
i posted some of the arguments why the number CAN be true.

And (now watch seriously) what someone has post in another thread :
citation:
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.......you know,when GM sends someone to jail or bans them,they get hit with Lightning...
....There is no doubt if they had GM stationed at PVP Hotspots, it would be like watching all the lightning at the Blackrock Detector Machine just before the Event.
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does THIS mean, if someone spell in pictures, it insult u less then someone say it in NUMBERS?

i post it above: maybe 90% is to high, (with 90 % i only mean it is the MAJORITY) if it is 60% or 70% or more , i never say ALL who use 2D are Scripter,and i myself use 2D most times, so what? do i insult myself ?????

 

[Guest]

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did that, nothing happen, some hotbars are empty, some are gone complete


(my hotbar with my 5 bow/quiver macros are gone) i am sooo upset now

must be a bug in the client itself,

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This is still happening to me also.
I would love to play KR...but it always turns into replacing things that should have stayed there in the first place!

 

[Guest]

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I'm not going to effectively continuously repeat myself endlessly. I stand by what I posted earlier.

I don't care which client someone prefers. There is NO room to accuse someone of cheating, scripting, or exploiting because of the client they prefer, and I do not accept that premise as an argument of one client being superior to the other.

The desires, ability, and willingness to cheat has NOTHING to do with the client a player prefers.

And with that I'm done trying to explain it.

 

[Der Rock]

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This is still happening to me also.
I would love to play KR...but it always turns into replacing things that should have stayed there in the first place!
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hi,
be carefull here, maybe we have no clue, it cant be true what others dont have(sarcasm)

and Yes, i cant play exclusivley KR till today,makes me sad