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Wow, I missed that in the publish notes. Thanks for posting.
I might be dense, but if you buy the title do you have to keep city loyalty at all? Or can you buy the title and let it decay?
EDIT: NM, this was answered:
Personal Attendant FTW
If I can get a Doctor Title I (and I bet a lot of others) will name a character Who.
Isn't this simply another revert to the olden day's of refreshing houses about every 4 or five days or lose everything - - unless a trusted friend looked after house-refreshing for another, who, for any reason, had to be away from UO for any length of time?
Decay of hard-earned achievements is a way of imprisoning players into having to log-in and play UO every day or lose what they have worked so hard to achieve.
Real Life doesn't allow everyone the luxury of being able to play just because UO insists you have to in order to accomplish anything that is on-going in the game.
Sorry for being so negative .. I haven't felt much like reading all the posts in here propertly today.
As for the prices of BUYINGa City Title, where are some of us supposed to earn that kind of gold without buying it from some website for real US Dollars?
oo0h .. I really am negative today. Honestly, I have had a very good sleep .. but I've had a cold this past week which meant an impossible hard time to keep loyalty status from decaying. *hmmm..so maybe I do have good reason for feeling so negative about decay today *
I think this is too much, pay 50 million for a title ??
I feel top price should be no more then 5 million for a vanity Title
The average player has 50 million laying around to waste on something that gives no benefit at all ?
What are they thinking ?
After all the work, to work up and keep up my Loyalty, I now have to pay 50 million for my "reward" ?
This is one of the few times I really am dissapointed, baffeled and on the virge to stop with this event.
As long as you log in!!! <<<<< that's exactly what I mean by holding everyone a prisoner to the game!Wow, I missed that in the publish notes. Thanks for posting.
LOG IN EVERY DAY OR ELSE LOSE ALL THAT YOU WORKED HARD TO GAIN !
QUESTION: a bit off topic but I hope someone can answer this:
THE RAIDERS, (the RED GUYS not the grey rioters).. I noticed the Capt of the Guard is always telling us that our prisons are too full and that the RAIDERS should be returned to their own city. How can you return them to the city from whense they came if you don't know where they came from? Is there a way to tell where a RED RAIDER came from?
I've been returning the captured RAIDERS (not rioters) to the Capt of the Guard in the city in which I capture them. But shouldn't they go back to the city they belong to? Are there extra points for doing so?
Do we have to LORE or EVALUTATE a RED RAIDER to find out to which city they belong? Will try figure that out
So spend one mil and be a Baron instead of a Duke. The only difference between the two is that one says "Look how much money I spent!!!"
That is not the point ...
Don't you feel the fact that they are starting to ask for this kind of amount of gold (50 MiILLION !!) is kind of scary ?
I mean what is the reasoning behind this ?
I do not think the average player has this kind of gold to start with, new players will get a heart attack when they see this.
On top of the fact you can only spend this AFTER doing a grind and after reaching the goal people had to do a mini grind daily for weeks to upkeep this loyalty.
That is a lot of time and effort spent by players.
And it maybe you can keep the title after losing some Loyalty, but if you wish to keep top Loyalty one also needs the dedication to log in EVERY day with EVERY Loyalty character as from Pub 76 on. If not you have to grind the % loss up again.
Now many cannot show they had this dedication unless they fork up 50 MILLION gold ?
So you feel this should be a "Gold Epeen" thing, and not "I had the Dedication Epeen" thing ?
Feels wrong to me ...
Now if they need a gold sink, I do agree that can be spent on Vanity Items.
But to tie it on an Event (and a special one indeed, 15 years celebration) is pressing it too far for me, also keeping in mind what they may cook up for future events.
This Event BECAUSE it is to honor the 15 year existance, I think all should be in reach for everybody. But I dare claim alot of players do not even have this kind of gold in thier wallet.
Do you really think the average player can keep up with these amounts ?
In the end for me personally, it makes it less motivating to participate in this, because besides the fact I actually worked to get what I got, they wish me to pay an insane anount of gold to have it show.
Good Lord, this almost makes me think of the EVE Monocle stunt.
I concur. And it actually reflects medevil feudalism / rank quite well. The wealthy families got to buy their titles (Duke, Sherrif of Nottingham, etc) and the less weathly had smaller titles such as Knight, landowner, etc. Not everyone can have everything. I know I will never be a Duke of anything, and I'm quite ok with that. I prefer to spend my money (and time) trying to get more suits to outfit more chars for my pvpness.
Now that I think about it.... everyone who I see rocking titles I think that I'll ask for gold. "5 mil and I'll say that you're the coolest dude every on general chat"
They got money to burn, might as well give it to me, right.
They got money to burn, might as well give it to me, right.
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I think perhaps they should consider adding even more nobility titles maybe based on the location of the virtue city. Squire/Esquire, Jarl, Furst/Furstan, Prince/Prinzessin, Archduke/Grand Duke, Viceroy, and/or Protector/Regent
Reference wikipedia for royal and noble titles based on languages
I think the title should either be free, or if its intention is to be used as a gold sink the price for the titles should be even higher, I also think that you should have to buy one title in order to purchase the next highest title.
Just for the record, town loyalty rewards are a banner and a title? Nothing else?
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Rusko
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I agree... and to everyone who cant afford it be happy!!!!!
This is taking 50m going from one player to another... to going from 1 player to the trash... Therefore if enough people spend the gold it will raise the value of gold in UO.
This is taking 50m going from one player to another... to going from 1 player to the trash... Therefore if enough people spend the gold it will raise the value of gold in UO.
DONT NEED NO STINKIN TITLES
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Rusko
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That's the beauty of it... Don't Want em? Don't get em!
You grinded your loyalty and got your banner, and access to titles I'll never have because I decided the whole loyalty thing was stupid. Congratulations. Enjoy being a Knight or a Baron, the former especially being a cool-sounding title that even the very newest player can easily afford with a little ettin-farming.
Frankly, I'd be more sympathetic to the idea that everyone should be able to buy the titles regardless of their loyalty level. What, Vesper refuses to take my fifty million gold because I didn't pick up enough garbage?
Oh come on Tina, aren't you the one who posted a completely random thread a while ago about how terrible it would be if they added skill decay back to the game? Do the developers really have to come out and explicitly deny whatever arbitrary doomsday scenario Tina Small dreamed up this week?
They're cosmetic titles. Most of them are quite affordable, and only one is really expensive. Relax.
Last time I looked I was disfavored with all the cities because I always kill those arsonist guys on sight, just for the hell of it, and I'm not the least bit worried about this stuff. I have the money to buy these titles. All of them. But even if I could, I wouldn't, because they're just cosmetic and I don't care.
Yeah, yeah, when the devs come out and say "Sorry we didn't tell you sooner, but participating in this event was mandatory to keep playing the game! Goodbye!" I'm sure I'll sure learn... some sort of lesson.
Or maybe not. They could blow up every city on that loyalty list and it wouldn't actually impact my gameplay any. If they made citizenship mandatory to buy crap in... say... Jhelom, it could be years before I noticed.
Or maybe not. They could blow up every city on that loyalty list and it wouldn't actually impact my gameplay any. If they made citizenship mandatory to buy crap in... say... Jhelom, it could be years before I noticed.
I do understand the concept of a goldsink, and I do agree the game could use some.
But if you read my post you would understand that my problem is more with the fact they tied it to an Event. (and well the rediculous amount)
People started participating in this Event with no clue what was lying ahead ...
The fact they gave Banners at Adored, and hinted more rewards were comming sounded promissing.
But in my wildest dreams I did not imagine it would involve forking out insane amounts of gold.
I am saying if this is meant to be the last reward of doing this Town Loyalty thing, if I had known this from the start, I would not have bothered going beyond Adored for the few Banners I actually wanted.
If they want a goldsink, why not just open some ingame store with bound vanity items ?
For the record I do not care less for the Titles, and no hair on my head even thinks about dishing up 50 million for something so complety useless.
I personally just feel to introduce this tied to an Event is just not right.
But if you read my post you would understand that my problem is more with the fact they tied it to an Event. (and well the rediculous amount)
People started participating in this Event with no clue what was lying ahead ...
The fact they gave Banners at Adored, and hinted more rewards were comming sounded promissing.
But in my wildest dreams I did not imagine it would involve forking out insane amounts of gold.
I am saying if this is meant to be the last reward of doing this Town Loyalty thing, if I had known this from the start, I would not have bothered going beyond Adored for the few Banners I actually wanted.
If they want a goldsink, why not just open some ingame store with bound vanity items ?
For the record I do not care less for the Titles, and no hair on my head even thinks about dishing up 50 million for something so complety useless.
I personally just feel to introduce this tied to an Event is just not right.
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Woodsman
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Because that might require something beyond coding - it might require additional artwork. It's a lot easier to throw a title together. Players like the titles, it gets a little gold out of the game, win-win. That's assuming somebody doesn't hit up a gold seller and spend a couple of bucks getting Marquis or whatever, causing the gold seller to go out and generate more gold, thereby negating the gold sink. I digress though.
I sympathize with you - this whole event/story has been weird. That's the best way I can describe it. Some of the decaying stuff, how it's being explained, how it's too much of a grind.
I hope the ending is good.
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Sevin0oo0
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Even tho UO is an 'old game', in some ways it's new. LOTRO has trade points for game time for example, others have similar.
UO is just now getting the point system developed, advent character menu expansion. I'd venture they'll offer more items eventually, whether housing tiles, deco, fancy weapons and armor, who knows.
That is extremely well written and brings up some serious questions and doubts about where all this is heading. So far it is a wait and see. I wonder if it is all about keeping players logging in and busy while they (the developers and programmers) figure out what to do next and work on next? RULE #1: Make everyone stay busy, occupied and a prisoner to this useless vanity Title Item, giving the staff time to works on their NEXT publish or event?
Being one who is totally mystified by this whole new "citizenship" issue, Tina Small, your questions bring up serious possible issues!! Having to afford to PAY for a vanity TITLE, is one thing because that can be avoided. Don't buy one! - - but to make the purchase of a Title necessary - -
Having to be loyal to a city in order to stable pets or buy from NPCs, would constitute a MAJOR REVERT to when players had to claim their pets from the city stable where they stabled their pet. This time the twist would be you NEED to earn and buy a TITLE to that city? That might be stretching the point but it is a concern!
Aren't there a few too many reverts - albeit sometimes with a new twist perhaps but with far too many loot/reward items being old items renamed, re-colored, given new stats and appealing as a useless collector's item? JUNK. What is the saying about you can fool someone some of the time but ..
What is so important about first, having a City Loyalty status, then buying city banners and now this eal about purchasing a very expensive CITY TITLE? It is all fun but .. only for vanity's sake? Or a Gold Sink (whatever that might be)
TINA SMALL's suspicions may be right on the mark when she asks what BUYING that CITY TITLE might mean in the future.
With PRICES of everything having gone crazy, and the economy of the UO world in ruins - - what next?
UO definitely is a reflection of the real world.
*enough - I am still too negative with this cold hanging on*
ps: am only beginning to understand what is meant by "goldsink".
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Sevin0oo0
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"What of the children?" She barely got the last word out as I killed her where she stood. My character, baren and quite amoral towards the wench's plight, could care less, and Neither do I. It's like a jigsaw puzzle with the cover missing. Sure, I might work it for a little while, it just gets old, very quickly.
Without a UI : Open Loyalty rating Menu with context menu on your ingame character. Then click city Loyalty Below.Then click citizenship titles. Then click the title you want to buy.
With Pinco's UI: Open Character sheet. Go to City Loyalty. Left click on citizenship .Then click title you want to buy.
Kylie Kinslayer said:
Thank you for that reply and information, Mirt. I logged in my most important characters occasionally. So that did help afterall even though the cities were full of Rioters and I would quickly leave and log out. Other of my characters loyalty fell by the wayside and now I can't even remember to which cities they were loyal. They all had at least adored status but mostly venerated.
C'est la UO!So it's
back to work I go, With a Greater Dragon in toe - - and --
-- to find out if gains are made from Rioters and how to return captured Rioters to their home town.
I should have mentioned that the decay will still continue until the patch goes live then it can be prevented by logging in. I realized my misstep there later but your welcome hopefully you can figure it out on all your characters. I keep my on a paper list right now maybe I will make a spread sheet but I am not sure.Thank you for that reply and information, Mirt. I logged in my most important characters occasionally. So that did help afterall even though the cities were full of Rioters and I would quickly leave and log out. Other of my characters loyalty fell by the wayside and now I can't even remember to which cities they were loyal. They all had at least adored status but mostly venerated.
So it's
With a Greater Dragon in toe - - and --
-- to find out if gains are made from Rioters and how to return captured Rioters to their home town.
I'm ba-a-a-a-ck!
After the PATCH:
Despite logging-in a few times to check 'Venerated' loyalty status on two characters's - one for Scara and the other Britain, the Britain Venerated status dropped to Adored even though when I logged him in twice today, I got the message about his Loyalty Status being renewed.
Anyone else experiencing this?
I wonder are you expected to log in once a day at any time during the day?
- - or does it have to be about the same time each day -- after 24 hours has passed?
but ...even if logging in works, it won't help as I have to be away for a few days. :loser: That's the trouble with these events. You arent supposed to have a real life.
After the PATCH:
Despite logging-in a few times to check 'Venerated' loyalty status on two characters's - one for Scara and the other Britain, the Britain Venerated status dropped to Adored even though when I logged him in twice today, I got the message about his Loyalty Status being renewed.
Anyone else experiencing this?
I wonder are you expected to log in once a day at any time during the day?
- - or does it have to be about the same time each day -- after 24 hours has passed?
but ...even if logging in works, it won't help as I have to be away for a few days. :loser: That's the trouble with these events. You arent supposed to have a real life.
This.
I like that it reflects the baubles you have to spend on a title. I also like that you have to log in to keep it. Some might not like that as the incentive but the the thing is, nothing really changes from before, loyalty and virtues did decay over time, this option just allows no decay provided you log in for it.