Frankly, I do not understand all the discussions about third parties Utima Online, I think, could be cheat-free without any need to look what is running on a player's computer. How ? Simply making it mandatory to ONLY have the game client play on a player's computer (But the Operating System, of course...). PERIOD. If the game client detects anything else running besides the game client, without even the need to look at it, it just sees something running, the client shuts off automatically. Sorry, cannot play the game with anything else. Only either one...... Want to browse the internet or use a messaging system ? Well, just use a different instance on the OS than the one running the game for what one needs. At most, an exception could be done for approved programs like UOAssist etc. Basically, it would be an approeach that is 180 degrees to looking at what is running on a player's conputer. Rather than look at what is running, just make the client INCAPABLE of running with anything BUT whatever program is specifically approved to run alongside the client. Just a thought.........I remember when blizzard tryed to do something like that on Starcraft Broodwar they had a program called Warden that was suppose to check what u was running in background I think it took less than a week for the cheat creators to have a new set of cheats out there that warden could not detect
I am no programmer but i think these early online games have so many holes it will be impossible to get rid of cheating for good
popps how old are you?? your lack of knowledge is remarkable!!!!!!Frankly, I do not understand all the discussions about third parties Utima Online, I think, could be cheat-free without any need to look what is running on a player's computer. How ? Simply making it mandatory to ONLY have the game client play on a player's computer (But the Operating System, of course...). PERIOD. If the game client detects anything else running besides the game client, without even the need to look at it, it just sees something running, the client shuts off automatically. Sorry, cannot play the game with anything else. Only either one...... Want to browse the internet or use a messaging system ? Well, just use a different instance on the OS than the one running the game for what one needs. At most, an exception could be done for approved programs like UOAssist etc. Basically, it would be an approeach that is 180 degrees to looking at what is running on a player's conputer. Rather than look at what is running, just make the client INCAPABLE of running with anything BUT whatever program is specifically approved to run alongside the client. Just a thought.........
This is a game it is suppose to be fun and that dont sound like fun to me and what if the cheat creators can modify the client and still be able to get an unfair advantage I m not sure if that is possible but it might be these people are not dumbFrankly, I do not understand all the discussions about third parties Utima Online, I think, could be cheat-free without any need to look what is running on a player's computer. How ? Simply making it mandatory to ONLY have the game client play on a player's computer (But the Operating System, of course...). PERIOD. If the game client detects anything else running besides the game client, without even the need to look at it, it just sees something running, the client shuts off automatically. Sorry, cannot play the game with anything else. Only either one...... Want to browse the internet or use a messaging system ? Well, just use a different instance on the OS than the one running the game for what one needs. At most, an exception could be done for approved programs like UOAssist etc. Basically, it would be an approeach that is 180 degrees to looking at what is running on a player's conputer. Rather than look at what is running, just make the client INCAPABLE of running with anything BUT whatever program is specifically approved to run alongside the client. Just a thought.........
Why are you gaming on such a critical computer?I have banking information for a major flight training company on my box, think I'd risk anything that snoops? We already have 4-5 pc's, we don't need anymore
popps, they won't ban the scripters that everybody knows about. You should be pressuring them about that, rather than dreaming up the most impractical solutions that you can think of.
Welcome back PoppsFrankly, I do not understand all the discussions about third parties Utima Online, I think, could be cheat-free without any need to look what is running on a player's computer. How ? Simply making it mandatory to ONLY have the game client play on a player's computer (But the Operating System, of course...). PERIOD. If the game client detects anything else running besides the game client, without even the need to look at it, it just sees something running, the client shuts off automatically. Sorry, cannot play the game with anything else. Only either one...... Want to browse the internet or use a messaging system ? Well, just use a different instance on the OS than the one running the game for what one needs. At most, an exception could be done for approved programs like UOAssist etc. Basically, it would be an approeach that is 180 degrees to looking at what is running on a player's conputer. Rather than look at what is running, just make the client INCAPABLE of running with anything BUT whatever program is specifically approved to run alongside the client. Just a thought.........
That may sound obvious to you, but it's an over simplification. Not everyone plays in isolation. Many guilds use Ventrilo or Team Speak to communicate verbally while they play so that they can co-ordinate their efforts. Myself, I have icq and Skype running, and I can't tell you how often I have to recall home and log out of the game at a moment's notice to deal with things that come up. I need to be reachable.Frankly, I do not understand all the discussions about third parties Utima Online, I think, could be cheat-free without any need to look what is running on a player's computer. How ? Simply making it mandatory to ONLY have the game client play on a player's computer (But the Operating System, of course...). PERIOD. If the game client detects anything else running besides the game client, without even the need to look at it, it just sees something running, the client shuts off automatically. Sorry, cannot play the game with anything else. Only either one...... Want to browse the internet or use a messaging system ? Well, just use a different instance on the OS than the one running the game for what one needs. At most, an exception could be done for approved programs like UOAssist etc. Basically, it would be an approeach that is 180 degrees to looking at what is running on a player's conputer. Rather than look at what is running, just make the client INCAPABLE of running with anything BUT whatever program is specifically approved to run alongside the client. Just a thought.........
popps, they won't ban the scripters that everybody knows about. You should be pressuring them about that, rather than dreaming up the most impractical solutions that you can think of.
That's commonly known as 'developing the game'. It's what they're paid to do. Stopping cheaters, while important, isn't really development, so they have to find the time and resources to do both. How many posts have you read from people who are bored with current content and want new stuff added? They're paying customers too. Now if you could find a way to shoe-horn some cash out if EA to double their budget, and in consequence their staff ...The developers worry to much about revamping that dungeon or this dungeon or adding some sort of overly powered item or spell or temp or tameable.
If it was that easy dont u think they would have done it already maybe if u traded all the events the last couple of years we would be bug,cheat,hack free anyway it would not last unless they would keep up the anti cheat battleIf you could have bugs hacks and cheats fixed OR keep having some ******** raiders attacking you for months on end when you try to get a circle in Britain what would you pick? We clearly can't have both and no one cares for the events anyways more people would rather see things fixed & a end to cheating rather then these endless events that are not fun, and when there is a EM on to run the event it lasts 2 hours tops and is nothing but death to everyone.
I take reasonable measures, a few are surfing - flash & Ad blocker, java disabled, and normally Java Script too (JS=leading cause of malness), plus hardware port blocking/stealth. Nothing new is accepted until after it's been checked in a sandbox environment to become known safe - PB is not one of them, same as anything by Sony or with the letters DRM attached. One of the reasons a box runs Linux from disc, and one's a Mac. Sandbox, resource tools, unlimited hex editor my most used tools. Yeah, UO did almost get booted a few years back when I caught it doing Metrics, but that was then and this is now. If need be I can shoot things off and run them remotely (Citrix session), where it can be monitored with better tools. There are safe applications, I'm not a 17 yr old trading nekked pictures off my phone or quick to open some 'cool' file someone found.Why are you gaming on such a critical computer?
That's commonly known as 'developing the game'. It's what they're paid to do. Stopping cheaters, while important, isn't really development, so they have to find the time and resources to do both. How many posts have you read from people who are bored with current content and want new stuff added? They're paying customers too. Now if you could find a way to shoe-horn some cash out if EA to double their budget, and in consequence their staff ...
Ok im sorry but that is what happens when there is ZERO 3rd party prevention in the game. There has never been any attempt to stop them at all. Yes as it is right now there will never ever be any hope for UO to be cheat free but that is because there is no 3rd party program detection, there is nothing on the clients end to eliminate pushers, there is nothing detecting the scripting programs, until there is at least some effort put in for cheater prevention you will continue to see dupes, because yes you need to use 3rd party programs to do it. It just shows how out of touch everyone is on the subject, 99% of the people here think oo geez if they fix an exploit some guy will just come out with a new one. This is not true because they are not fixing the problem of the 3rd party programs and pushers, basically if any exploit is ever fixed someone will just make a script or find a way to use a 3rd party program to do it all again.I'm afraid you're not seeing it clearly. No, it's not a one time thing. Cleaning UO of cheats is like trying to empty a leaking boat with a bucket. As fast as they fix one exploit, the cheaters find another. Just reading these boards for years has shown me that.
However this thread is rapidly descending into calling people names and insulting people's competence. Unless that trend ceases I, or one of my moderators, will be forced to close it.
I don't know the answer. I do know that attacking the developers is not helpful in any way whatsoever.
We can ask them whether there is a plan to tackle the problem, but will they be allowed to tell us? Probably not to be honest.
So True.Woodsman said
If this were any other game, the media would have jumped all over his comment.
... the headlines would read "Star Wars: The Old Republic or World of Warcraft officially approve of cheating".
...Look, if you can identify and force the cheaters to their own shard, you can identify and ban them.
Banning 50%-80% of players would indeed be suicide, however, to fix a problem such as this just start slowly. Perma-ban the worst top 5%-10% and everyone will get the idea pretty quickly. As in your analogy of cheating and cancer, to treat a cancer medications are given at low doses initally until the body can cope. Increasing doses to the point where living conditions for a cancer are intolerable OVER TIME.Eldan of Baja said
I'd bet a minimal of 50% and a maximum of 80%.
I too have personally seen atleast 20 friends/players quit due to the same exact statement "I'm sick of playing with cheaters." EA/UO has driven off FAR more players due to inaction concerning cheating then any other single (probably even multiple) factor/factors.sirrogen said
For all those who are banned, how many old players may come back from the news of the hackers being banned?
I can vouch for this as well.You can report dupers as they're doing it, and even give the names/location/shard of where it's taking place and nothing will be done about it (personal xp)
You have to stop saying "forgive the devs they fixed the exploit and its back" this is not true 3 well know ways to dupe are still around and have been around for a very long time at least one has been around for 10 years.It was unfortunate that duping occured because of these factors, but I think we could forgive the devs for the exploit -- they can't think of everything, and people work overtime trying to figure out how to exploit and cheat in any game where we deal with a common economy.
First of all, hilarious vid.You have to stop saying "forgive the devs they fixed the exploit and its back" this is not true 3 well know ways to dupe are still around and have been around for a very long time at least one has been around for 10 years.
If the developers efforts at fixing exploits was compared to a fat guy riding a skateboard, it would look like this.
Why would they do that? It doesn't even make sense to say. Remove the peoples accounts who are known gold and item sellers. How hard is it to find them? Buy gold from the site see who shows up to give it to ya, buy a 120 skill see who brings you 120 points worth of pinks.. That simple. Then ban them all, no ooo no another lost sub. Just ban them and tell them go f urself get the hell outa here you cheating duping scripting pos.What IF they said they could fix and stop the cheating but they would have to wipe all gold items houses only your naked char would be left with a one month ban on house placement followed by random housing plaemnet allotments would everyone go fo it ?
The crap is already out of the Nightmare. A lot of the fake gold was legitimized by cashing a phony check and the game creating "real" gold as a result. Once that happened, they got away with it. The only fix is to, as the post above indicates, wipe all the gold clean.What IF they said they could fix and stop the cheating but they would have to wipe all gold items houses only your naked char would be left with a one month ban on house placement followed by random housing plaemnet allotments would everyone go fo it ?
You guys need to stop with this nonsense right now. They will read this thread, zero in on a post like this, and decide to re-implement such that the only currency you can use in UO is town loyalty points.thats why you don't use gold as a currency but something else.