How Much UO Gold Do You Have?

[Tina Small]

I somewhat question the math of the people filling this survey out.

20 Billion. Consider that 1B - 1,000 million. So 20B = 20,000 million or 20,000 1m checks. Ahem. Where do you have that stored? On Vendors? That seems like a really high number to keep in cash except for a scant few. This poll is not about items - but about pure liquid cash/gold.

The people who say they have 100B or more I really think that they are not properly doing math. 100B = 100,000 1m checks. Even if you kept 1B per vendor - you'd need 100 vendors to hold it all. You certainly aren't storing 100,000 checks unless you have like 35 castles. I call BS on some of the upper end numbers here in pure cash.

Yeah, it is amazing to think that some people estimate they have that much gold! I did a little bit of number crunching to try to figure out what it would take to be able to store all that.

A castle on an account that has been updated with the additional storage and High Seas has 7500 storage, plus if it was old enough for a garden shed, I think that would give you another 250 storage, right? So 7750 storage in a maxed-out castle.

Then you'd have 175 bankbox storage per character, with 7 characters per regular shard and 1 character each for Siege and Mugen. So that's (175 x 7 x 25) + 2 = 30,625 + 2 = 30,627.

Each character could hold 125 items in their backpack, so (125 x 7 x 25) + 2 = 21,875 + 2 = 21,877.

Each character could also have a blue beetle, so same calculation as the backpack for another 21,877 storage.

I'm not sure if each character could also place a small boat, but if yes that's another 21,877 storage.

So, that gives us storage subtotals of:

30,627 bankbox storage
21,877 backpack storage
21,877 blue beetle storage
21,877 boat storage
7,750 castle (with shed) storage

And the subtotals added together gives a total item count of 104,008, which doesn't include any vendor storage. (You'd also probably want to put some of that stuff in bags or something. A castle with 60% storage increase only has 3,750 lockdowns.)

I guess theoretically you could have that much gold on one account, but you probably wouldn't be doing anything else with it other than using it for gold storage!

 

[Theo_GL]

So, that gives us storage subtotals of:

30,627 bankbox storage
21,877 backpack storage
21,877 blue beetle storage
21,877 boat storage
7,750 castle (with shed) storage

And the subtotals added together gives a total item count of 104,008, which doesn't include any vendor storage. (You'd also probably want to put some of that stuff in bags or something. A castle with 60% storage increase only has 3,750 lockdowns.)

I guess theoretically you could have that much gold on one account, but you probably wouldn't be doing anything else with it other than using it for gold storage!

Yes, you can put quite a bit on a vendor. I hold 200m in cash on a vendor at my house that I use as an 'ATM' for my account - but still - at 1b per vendor you would need 100 vendors or like 2 houses just to hold the vendors. Thats an insane amount to store. I'd like to see some proof.

 

[Theo_GL]

So, that gives us storage subtotals of:

30,627 bankbox storage
21,877 backpack storage
21,877 blue beetle storage
21,877 boat storage
7,750 castle (with shed) storage

And the subtotals added together gives a total item count of 104,008, which doesn't include any vendor storage. (You'd also probably want to put some of that stuff in bags or something. A castle with 60% storage increase only has 3,750 lockdowns.)

I guess theoretically you could have that much gold on one account, but you probably wouldn't be doing anything else with it other than using it for gold storage!

Yes, you can put quite a bit on a vendor. I hold 200m in cash on a vendor at my house that I use as an 'ATM' for my account - but still - at 1b per vendor you would need 100 vendors or like 2 houses just to hold the vendors. Thats an insane amount to store. I'd like to see some proof.

 

[Revvo]

Yes, you can put quite a bit on a vendor. I hold 200m in cash on a vendor at my house that I use as an 'ATM' for my account - but still - at 1b per vendor you would need 100 vendors or like 2 houses just to hold the vendors. Thats an insane amount to store. I'd like to see some proof.

In the U.K at least a billion is one thousand million not one hundred thousand million, pretty sure the sites selling gold use that calculation.

 

[Theo_GL]

In the U.K at least a billion is one thousand million not one hundred thousand million, pretty sure the sites selling gold use that calculation.

You are correct. I was referring to the poll above (see poll) where people have said they have OVER 100 Billion.

1B -= 1000 million
100B = 100,000 million

Simple math.

At least 5 people have expressed in the poll they have over 100,000 million in gold on hand. I find that very hard to believe.

 

[Revvo]

You are correct. I was referring to the poll above (see poll) where people have said they have OVER 100 Billion.

1B -= 1000 million
100B = 100,000 million

Simple math.

At least 5 people have expressed in the poll they have over 100,000 million in gold on hand. I find that very hard to believe.

Yeah sorry i misread your post i just know sometimes in the US one billion is considered one hundred thousand million, i think on any poll afterwards ignoring the the top and bottom answers would give a more realistic view since people like to pick an extreme just because they can

 

[Mervyn]

Is that an English Billion or an American Billion?

 

[cazador]

At least 5 people have expressed in the poll they have over 100,000 million in gold on hand. I find that very hard to believe.

An 18x18 has 20 or 25 vendor slots..each vendor can hold up to 3 bil..

I personally used to moonlight as a trammy and had a keep with about 20 vendors each holding anywhere from nothing-2.5b to track what action awarded me the most gold..each was labeled with the activity



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[Potgut]

I have almost 50 million, I don't like to hold on to too much gold due to inflation. So I easily got 3 + billions gold worth of stuff which I could sell a lot of it quickly if I needed to [e.g. 18 + Conjurer's Garbs with luck (they go for ~60mil ea.), 65 Yellow Crystallized Essences (they go for ~20mil+ ea.), I got 2 rares that are worth 500 mil+ each (they are 2 different types of Horse Dungs), and etc..]

 

[Smoot]

vendor can hold 2bil gold max. i have 1 character with an emty bank box for large trades, another with almost empty bankbox for "shopping" only keep about 5mil each on combat characters for insurance.

yeah i would assume most people who play regularly store gold on vendors tho and just get get the gold when its needed. easier that way for me to keep track of how much gold is available.

 

[cazador]

vendor can hold 2bil gold max.

I'll test when I have time but I'm like 96% sure it's 3b now..but I've been known to be wrong


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[Smoot]

I'll test when I have time but I'm like 96% sure it's 3b now..but I've been known to be wrong


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pretty sure its still 2. i had one of my vendors maxed 2 or 3 weeks ago. but sure give it a test : )

 

[Flutter]

Someone should come max out my vendors!!!

 

[SlayerofBunnys]

Yes, you can put quite a bit on a vendor. I hold 200m in cash on a vendor at my house that I use as an 'ATM' for my account - but still - at 1b per vendor you would need 100 vendors or like 2 houses just to hold the vendors. Thats an insane amount to store. I'd like to see some proof.

Possibly a silly question but - is there a limit to how much can a character have in their casino account?

 

[Mithryl Elves]

I have over 120 billion currently all stored on vendors on multiple servers.

 

[Lord Frodo]

I somewhat question the math of the people filling this survey out.

20 Billion. Consider that 1B - 1,000 million. So 20B = 20,000 million or 20,000 1m checks. Ahem. Where do you have that stored? On Vendors? That seems like a really high number to keep in cash except for a scant few. This poll is not about items - but about pure liquid cash/gold.

The people who say they have 100B or more I really think that they are not properly doing math. 100B = 100,000 1m checks. Even if you kept 1B per vendor - you'd need 100 vendors to hold it all. You certainly aren't storing 100,000 checks unless you have like 35 castles. I call BS on some of the upper end numbers here in pure cash.

A Castle with the %60 increase has 124 vendors at even 2B per would be 248B in gold. So one Castle could hold 100B easy.

 

[DJAd]

Is that an English Billion or an American Billion?

I was thinking the same thing. Then I had a Google and it appears they are both the same now.

In British English, a billion used to be equivalent to a million million (i.e. 1,000,000,000,000), while in American English it has always equated to a thousand million (i.e. 1,000,000,000). British English has now adopted the American figure, though, so that a billion equals a thousand million in both varieties of English.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/how-many-is-a-billion

Wikipedia saying the same thing:

Previously in British English (but not in American English), the word "billion" referred to a million millions (1,000,000,000,000). However, this is no longer the case, and the word has been used unambiguously to mean one thousand million (1,000,000,000) for some time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,000,000,000

I dunno when they changed!

 

[DJAd]

I have over 120 billion currently all stored on vendors on multiple servers.

lend us a couple *smiles*

 

[Lord Frodo]

7 people with over 100B, guess we now know who the gold sellers are. How on earth do you amass 1B in gold much less 100B? Is the rares market really that good? What is the top gold drop MOB in UO right now? Lets say it is 10K gold per drop, that means that that MOB would have been killed 100,000 just to make 1B. Are people trying to tell us that that one MOB has been killed 70,000,000 times to make 700,000,000,000 gold. WOW Think about it people. There are only 2 ways to legally get gold into UO, MOBS and NPC. UUUMMMMMM

 

[cazador]

7 people with over 100B, guess we now know who the gold sellers are. How on earth do you amass 1B in gold much less 100B? Is the rares market really that good? What is the top gold drop MOB in UO right now? Lets say it is 10K gold per drop, that means that that MOB would have been killed 100,000 just to make 1B. Are people trying to tell us that that one MOB has been killed 70,000,000 times to make 700,000,000,000 gold. WOW Think about it people. There are only 2 ways to legally get gold into UO, MOBS and NPC. UUUMMMMMM

...don't forget each spawn is 150k dropped which I can solo in about 11 minutes..Harry's drop a mil. Plus there's probably close to a trillion duped gold in the economy


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[Lord Frodo]

...don't forget each spawn is 150k dropped which I can solo in about 11 minutes..Harry's drop a mil. Plus there's probably close to a trillion duped gold in the economy


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Even at 1M per Harry that is still over 700,000 Harries for 700B. Spawn drops 150K would take you 6,700 spawns to get 1B gold and even at 1 every 10 min that is over 1,100 hours or 46 days per B so to get 700B would take 32,200 days or about 10 yrs playing 24/7. And yes we all know where a vast amount of the gold in UO came from. If you look at the Poll and just use the least amount in the spread then we are talking well over 800B in gold. The amount of MOBs to do this is beyond belief.

 

[Mithryl Elves]

OH and if some of you under 1m players and or new players want to ICQ me I have some mils for you to get you going in UO. I remember one time I created a character on a new server determined to do it all over again from scratch. I started killing skeletons and looting the gold and any other item I could sell. I was chasing the original feeling that I had on day one when myself and everyone was broke. I think after a month I got to 100k and stopped. Its hard to get going in UO is what I'm trying to say. So if you're new and need a push in teh right direction ICQ me at 402886

 

[Mithryl Elves]

Yes the majority of the gold in game now was done with a character transfer dupe. The dupers would crash 700m or so into their bank then dupe those characters across many servers and accounts. There are i'm sure MANY inactive accounts right now with these type of characters holding gold that if EA could find a way to ban that would be great. I think there are sufficient gold shrinks in the game right now to keep gold down if they could fix that. The dupe seems to be fixed now thank god. Now they just need to get to peoples storage accounts. I have heard stories over the months of people getting their items deleted so seems like its a work in process.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Yes the majority of the gold in game now was done with a character transfer dupe. The dupers would crash 700m or so into their bank then dupe those characters across many servers and accounts. There are i'm sure MANY inactive accounts right now with these type of characters holding gold that if EA could find a way to ban that would be great. I think there are sufficient gold shrinks in the game right now to keep gold down if they could fix that. The dupe seems to be fixed now thank god. Now they just need to get to peoples storage accounts. I have heard stories over the months of people getting their items deleted so seems like its a work in process.

The only gold sinks right now being used are Insurance and Vendors. The collection system is a joke of a gold sink. We need Gold Sinks that give Deco only and are at a price that the majority of players will use not just the ultra rich.

 

[Magdalene]

dirt poor - 10-20 million is what my chars are going to sleep with...

 

[startle]

..... The dupers would crash 700m or so into their bank ....

How, exactly, is 700m "crashed into their bank" when 125 items is all a bank will hold?

 

[Mithryl Elves]

How, exactly, is 700m "crashed into their bank" when 125 items is all a bank will hold?

175 items with upgrades that you can get on uo.com store.

I don't think this is a bug since it's well known and hasn't been blocked and doesn't require any exploiting of game mechanics so I'll explain..

If you have a vendor at say someones house that is loaded with say 2 billion gold the house owner can offer you an amount of gold from 0 to (not sure the amount)
You then receive that offer. If you accept the offer your items all go to the house sign. You are then able to click the sign and anything that was on the vendor including gold goes to your characters bank.

 

[Troop]

I spend all my gold on purple shoes. My nickname is Empty Pockets...

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

dirt poor - 10-20 million is what my chars are going to sleep with...

I've always thought of UO merely as having a very elongated middle class.

And, in a UO context, this is what I mean by "middle class."

• Enough to have all you need, but probably not all you want.
• Able to afford to have 1 or 2 characters well equipped enough to handle high-end content on a regular basis.
• Not able to scoff at payouts of a few hundred thousand to a couple million.
• Not having to gold farm continuously or resource farm continuously for necessities.

If you have 100 million, 1 million is 1% of your net worth. Not something most people can afford to not notice.

None of these are hard and fast metrics but remember that in UO different playstyles require different levels of wealth.

So, I would argue you aren't dirt poor, just at the low end of a very long middle class.

-Galen's player

 

[Yadd of Legends]

I really appreciate all the discussion of the economics of the game. Before this, I had no idea of what to do if I ever got more gold than my bank box would hold, and I've been killing monsters and making armor and weapons to kill more for seven years (not counting the few months I quit and let my house fall and lost about $400 M worth of stuff). I'm trying to imagine how it would affect my play style if I had so much gold that money was absolutely no issue in anything I did. There are some very interesting RL parallels to think about here.


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[THP]

well to estimate your ''silly pixel gold wealth'' .....there is a easy formula i have devised..all u need is 2 dice...
here we go....
add your em items/ server birth items multiply [x] by [roll the 2 dice] ...then add 00,000,000 at the end
count gold in all your vendors... on all your shards... and round off to the nearest billion.....simple enough...
if u have a luna house/castle the ....[roll the 2 dice] and add 00,000,000 at the end
if u have so called rare pet....[roll the 2 dice] and add 00,000,000 at the end
add[+] all the stuff up....thats your PIXEL worth!!!!
if your still not happy with the amount... simply mulitply [x] by ....[ roll the 2 dice again]...untill U R HAPPY

Thanks for reading... [whatever]...

 

[Flutter]

I should put an "*" next to my vote as it changes day to day depending on what I bought or sold

 

[Rimeny]

175 items with upgrades that you can get on uo.com store.

I don't think this is a bug since it's well known and hasn't been blocked and doesn't require any exploiting of game mechanics so I'll explain..

If you have a vendor at say someones house that is loaded with say 2 billion gold the house owner can offer you an amount of gold from 0 to (not sure the amount)
You then receive that offer. If you accept the offer your items all go to the house sign. You are then able to click the sign and anything that was on the vendor including gold goes to your characters bank.

Something similar, if a vendors contract runs out(not set to renew) it drops under the house sign for a week, you can then claim it back. Happened to me last week ended up with 500m in my bank.