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Hit Lower Defence needs to be nerfed

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Wojoe

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Hit Lower Defence needs to be nerfed..

Combined with never ending special moves AND HCI makes it grossley over powered...I run 5*70, 70 DCI and 120 Wrestle and it dosent help...Really balance the game.
 

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Hit Lower Defence needs to be nerfed..
...I run 5*70, 70 DCI and 120 Wrestle and it dosent help...Really balance the game.
Hit Lower Defense (HLD) is an item property found on weapons and reading glasses. A successful hit with such a weapon lowers the defense rating of the target by 25% for 8 seconds

70 DCI x 0.25=17.5

70 DCI - 17.5=52.5% DCI

Defense Chance Increase (DCI) enhances your ability to defend yourself from melee or ranged attacks. It does not effect your chance to evade magical attacks.
It can be found naturally on weapons, shields and jewelry. It ranges in intensity from 1 to 15%. There is a cap of 45%.
 
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Hit Lower Defense (HLD) is an item property found on weapons and reading glasses. A successful hit with such a weapon lowers the defense rating of the target by 25% for 8 seconds

70 DCI x 0.25=17.5

70 DCI - 17.5=52.5% DCI

Defense Chance Increase (DCI) enhances your ability to defend yourself from melee or ranged attacks. It does not effect your chance to evade magical attacks.
It can be found naturally on weapons, shields and jewelry. It ranges in intensity from 1 to 15%. There is a cap of 45%.
bs, these people with these types of weapons never miss...ever
 

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bs, these people with these types of weapons never miss...ever

I run 40+ HLD, 45 HCI, 120 Tactics, 120 Fencing. And yes I do miss, especially against the right templete. There are times I only hit 1 out of 3 times at best. Maybe you should tweak yours some.
 

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I run 5*70, 70 DCI and 120 Wrestle and it dosent help...Really balance the game.
70 dci makes your suit hld proof. Hence, nerfing will provide you zero benefit.

If you need, build a parry mage.
 
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70 dci makes your suit hld proof. Hence, nerfing will provide you zero benefit.

If you need, build a parry mage.

Why would i use perry, that requires 80 dex...wrestling is what mages use and it sucks. disarm rarley works and paralyzing blow is useless to.
 

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70 dci makes your suit hld proof. Hence, nerfing will provide you zero benefit.

If you need, build a parry mage.

Why would i use perry, that requires 80 dex...wrestling is what mages use and it sucks. disarm rarley works and paralyzing blow is useless to.
If you don't like wrestling, use a mage weapon.
 

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Only problem i see is mages needs to stack their DCI up to 70 while dexers doesnt have to have anything more than 45 HCI

And the extra 25 dci mages need takes total of 217 intensity.

Dexers on the other hand with 30hld is more than sufficient which in term of intensities is only worth 78 intensity. Since mages cant afford constantly being in melee range to "wrestle (rofl)" dexers, hit lower attack is not a valid option.

It's only fair that Hit Lower Attack should proc off spells. In this case dexers are forced to have 70hci just like how mages are forced to have 70dci.

And on the parry comment... so mages needs to pick up a dexer skill and sink bouncha dex into a dexer stat in order to make dexers whiff more than half of the time? How does it make you feel that you need inscribe and 80 int on your dexer so you can hit better than 50% of the time?
 

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Your OP argues that HLD should be nerfed. Your OP, further, indicates that you are hld proof. Thus, the entire premise of this thread is a contradiction.

People play mages who kill dexxers. Maybe you should ask one of those people for advice.
 
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Only problem i see is mages needs to stack their DCI up to 70 while dexers doesnt have to have anything more than 45 HCI

And the extra 25 dci mages need takes total of 217 intensity.

Dexers on the other hand with 30hld is more than sufficient which in term of intensities is only worth 78 intensity. Since mages cant afford constantly being in melee range to "wrestle (rofl)" dexers, hit lower attack is not a valid option.

It's only fair that Hit Lower Attack should proc off spells. In this case dexers are forced to have 70hci just like how mages are forced to have 70dci.

And on the parry comment... so mages needs to pick up a dexer skill and sink bouncha dex into a dexer stat in order to make dexers whiff more than half of the time? How does it make you feel that you need inscribe and 80 int on your dexer so you can hit better than 50% of the time?
Seriously, A dexxers template is way harder to fit anything into. So dont be silly. As a mage you can easily fit any skill you want in and pick and choose. But you are worried about Dex, here is something you can do, go to test and use instead of jewelry with dci put 8 dex on each then get some faction items and mess around with your stats you will find how easy it will be to get 80 dex and still have loads of mana/int and HP cause if your pvping really you can use HP increase instead of str. Unless you are using Heavy armor. Maybe running 45 dci and 120 parry will make you un hitable. or close to it.
 
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Your OP argues that HLD should be nerfed. Your OP, further, indicates that you are hld proof. Thus, the entire premise of this thread is a contradiction.

People play mages who kill dexxers. Maybe you should ask one of those people for advice.


Ill do that kthxbye
 
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who knows maybe the rng just hates me...all i can say is EVERYONE puts 50HLD on weapons...why is that?
 

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who knows maybe the rng just hates me...all i can say is EVERYONE puts 50HLD on weapons...why is that?
Lynk already tried to explain this to you in August. I'll republish his post here, for easy access.

I was wondering how Hit Lower Defence works verse Defence Chance Increase. I would guess if you use 50 HLD on a weapon and your fighting someone with 45 DCI you have a +5% chance to hit them.

Any info would be nice.

thanks
Probably more appropriate for the warrior forum, but I'll answer you here because I felt bad for seeing 300 of your corpses in Yew last night.

HLD lowers the defense chance of the target by 25%. So 50 HLD means I have a 50% chance of the 'HLD' property going off whenever I connect a hit on you.

If you have 45 DCI, hitting you with HLD takes you to 20. If you get to 70 DCI in your suit, HLD has no effect on you.
 
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Lynk already tried to explain this to you in August. I'll republish his post here, for easy access.

wow i feel better your so on the job...who's your boss? ill ask him to put a star next to your name...please go away now...
 

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Lynk already tried to explain this to you in August. I'll republish his post here, for easy access.

wow i feel better your so on the job...who's your boss? ill ask him to put a star next to your name...please go away now...
Seriously? You're welcome. I was happy to voluntarily answer every single question that you asked.

Amazing...
 
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Seriously? You're welcome. I was happy to voluntarily answer every single question that you asked.

Amazing...
Stick to being a mod...and forward me your bosses contact info so i can complaine about you and your glib attempt to troll me and my post...

I know you mods prefer care-bear threads but i have my opinion and if i feel like talking about something again after 3 months then that's none of your business. Who are you to search thru my past posts anyways?

If i had to guess id say your co-dependent on the very subjust i asked about...you are clueless about playing a mage to.
 

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Hit Lower Defense (HLD) is an item property found on weapons and reading glasses. A successful hit with such a weapon lowers the defense rating of the target by 25% for 8 seconds

70 DCI x 0.25=17.5

70 DCI - 17.5=52.5% DCI

Defense Chance Increase (DCI) enhances your ability to defend yourself from melee or ranged attacks. It does not effect your chance to evade magical attacks.
It can be found naturally on weapons, shields and jewelry. It ranges in intensity from 1 to 15%. There is a cap of 45%.
 

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Stick to being a mod...and forward me your bosses contact info so i can complaine about you and your glib attempt to troll me and my post...

I know you mods prefer care-bear threads but i have my opinion and if i feel like talking about something again after 3 months then that's none of your business. Who are you to search thru my past posts anyways?

If i had to guess id say your co-dependent on the very subjust i asked about...you are clueless about playing a mage to.
Sent.
 

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LOL, should i be affraid?...im going to ask her the same thing i asked you.

Who are you to search thru my old posts, and why would you do that?
I googled the question that you asked. That was the answer that I found. Anyone can use Google.
 

Ls Jax Ls

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Stick to being a mod...and forward me your bosses contact info so i can complaine about you and your glib attempt to troll me and my post...
Tis a rare day that I side with a mod...:coco:
 
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back on topic...i read the formulas but i dont think it works that way..take some of the archers i play against...they hit you with a 50hld bow then spam moving shot and hit everytime, sometimes 10 times in a row...i know this is true, i see it every day. Same's true for people with other weapon skills.
 
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This one:

So like you said google it...and i did, 7 results and 0 point to stratics....im really confused now, ask petra to help me out with this one sense you like mailing her so much.

And for the last time, im going to ask you Syrus to stop trolling my post!
 

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And for the last time, im going to ask you Syrus to stop trolling my post!
When you reply to someone, it's generally expected behavior that they may reply back. That is not trolling. It is a conversation on a message board. If you don't want someone to reply to your post, don't refer to their quotes and ask more questions.

Time to build a list of people to avoid helping in the future.
 
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back on topic again...i read the formulas but i dont think it works that way..take some of the archers i play against...they hit you with a 50hld bow then spam moving shot and hit everytime, sometimes 10 times in a row...i know this is true, i see it every day. Same's true for people with other weapon skills.
 

Lorax_Pacific

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Hit Lower Defence needs to be nerfed..

Combined with never ending special moves AND HCI makes it grossley over powered...I run 5*70, 70 DCI and 120 Wrestle and it dosent help...Really balance the game.
What are you asking for? Are you suggesting the affect timer for HLD be decreased or maybe the affect amount be increased above 25? I don't understand your intended suggestion. It's pretty open to interpretation.

-Lorax
 
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What are you asking for? Are you suggesting the affect timer for HLD be decreased or maybe the affect amount be increased above 25? I don't understand your intended suggestion. It's pretty open to interpretation.

-Lorax
What happens is they hit you and then you have a negative to defence, then they hit you again and again and again and it never stops...maybe a timer between the effects would work.
 

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What happens is they hit you and then you have a negative to defence, then they hit you again and again and again and it never stops...maybe a timer between the effects would work.
Yes that is how we plan our weapons so if we have a slow weapon maybe we choose 50% or a faster weapon maybe 34% or 26% to balance the weapon speed with the affect.

I still don't understand since in your post you say you have 70 DCI, which 70 - 25 is 45 and still at max. Are you spamming divine fury, because that could be an additional problem for your suit.

What I don't really get is whether you have a problem in offense or defense. I don't understand what you want a nerf to achieve.

-Lorax
 
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Yes that is how we plan our weapons so if we have a slow weapon maybe we choose 50% or a faster weapon maybe 34% or 26% to balance the weapon speed with the affect.

I still don't understand since in your post you say you have 70 DCI, which 70 - 25 is 45 and still at max. Are you spamming divine fury, because that could be an additional problem for your suit.

What I don't really get is whether you have a problem in offense or defense. I don't understand what you want a nerf to achieve.

-Lorax

i do have 70dci 120 wrestle and a 5*70 suit...the problem is people that use 50 hld and im guessing max hci never miss, and and on top of that they spam special moves. Now one or the other would be ok but both is overpowered.
 

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Wojoe,
learn to read and stop being so miserable. Your current stance is what gives stratics a bad name. There is tons of good advice here and folks that tried to help. You just dont want it.
 
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Wojoe,
learn to read and stop being so miserable. Your current stance is what gives stratics a bad name. There is tons of good advice here and folks that tried to help. You just dont want it.
im not miserable and the mod person offered no help at all.

it is a balance problem, thats what i said and thats what this thread is about.

And just so you know, i have tried everything short of using both wrestle and perry togther to defend against this and nothing helps so im asking the dev's to consider nerfing it. The only thing that sorta helps is to cast protection, the problem with that is its so slow you cant kill anybody.

If the game's pvp system was more balanced people including me wouldent ask for stuff like this.
 

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Hit Lower Defence needs to be nerfed..

Combined with never ending special moves AND HCI makes it grossley over powered...I run 5*70, 70 DCI and 120 Wrestle and it dosent help...Really balance the game.
Wtf are you talking about you have 100% DCI... you're blue.. and never leave the guard zone, and if you flag and your EXP FS fails you just run and invis till you're unflagged. WTF are you crying about.
 
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Wtf are you talking about you have 100% DCI... you're blue.. and never leave the guard zone, and if you flag and your EXP FS fails you just run and invis till you're unflagged. WTF are you crying about.
LOL so how you like the free shards?
 

puni666

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im not miserable and the mod person offered no help at all.

it is a balance problem, thats what i said and thats what this thread is about.

And just so you know, i have tried everything short of using both wrestle and perry togther to defend against this and nothing helps so im asking the dev's to consider nerfing it. The only thing that sorta helps is to cast protection, the problem with that is its so slow you cant kill anybody.

If the game's pvp system was more balanced people including me wouldent ask for stuff like this.
There's no balancing necessary for this situation you're talking about. Why don't you find a few skilled mages and dexers to train with and figure out what to do in the situations you're having troubles with? Instead of instantly accusing everyone else of being some sort of cheat you might be able to learn something from them?
 

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If the game's pvp system was more balanced people including me wouldent ask for stuff like this.
Well since you are the only person who seems to have an issue with this, I'm gonna have to throw it out that you are just unlucky.

And since I know you wont accept that ill play devil's advocate and say MAYBE it has something to do with the fact that you use wrestling rather than a weapon like the vast majority of people, and maybe theres something in that.

Are there any other people who use wrestling rather than a mage weapon or weapon skill that can comment?
 
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Well since you are the only person who seems to have an issue with this, I'm gonna have to throw it out that you are just unlucky.

And since I know you wont accept that ill play devil's advocate and say MAYBE it has something to do with the fact that you use wrestling rather than a weapon like the vast majority of people, and maybe theres something in that.

Are there any other people who use wrestling rather than a mage weapon or weapon skill that can comment?

maybe your right..its wrong to use wrestle now? and more then that...why should a spell caster HAVE to use a weapon to be viable?
 

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but you have time to be a board warrior...thats funny
Yep, that only takes 5 minutes or less. Maybe after the mystic "tweaks" I'll be more driven to play again, but atm running from 4-5 people with SP precast and max SSI bokuto's (with crazy mods of course) doesn't really seem worth the frustration ya know? And with Brock Lesnar fighting this weekend hell.. you won't see me this weekend either :p.
 

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maybe your right..its wrong to use wrestle now? and more then that...why should a spell caster HAVE to use a weapon to be viable?
You know.. You should use the type of mage suit I wear if you don't use the specials from wrestling. I used GM anatomy for my defense ability and i've got like 60 skill increase and over cap DCI(70%) so I can fit in 60necro/60spirit GM inscribe with all the standard 120 eval/resists 115 mage 110 med? I can't remember exactly.
 

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i do have 70dci 120 wrestle and a 5*70 suit...the problem is people that use 50 hld and im guessing max hci never miss, and and on top of that they spam special moves. Now one or the other would be ok but both is overpowered.
Well wrestling you can't do hit lower attack as far as I know. So if you are needing more defense you need to figure something else out. Have you ever tried a high HPR suit? These sometimes help when learning pvp I think you can get 24 HPR and with healing and max dex you can probably defend against some ganks. Can you get something that helps you lower the attackers hit chance? Brass knuckles with HLA (just kidden)? Another option is to use a weapon with HLA 50% and max SSI and get that affect to stick and then switch to wrestle or can you spam disarm?

-Lorax
 
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You know.. You should use the type of mage suit I wear if you don't use the specials from wrestling. I used GM anatomy for my defense ability and i've got like 60 skill increase and over cap DCI(70%) so I can fit in 60necro/60spirit GM inscribe with all the standard 120 eval/resists 115 mage 110 med? I can't remember exactly.

its not that i dont use the specials from wrestling its just they never go off, i try just about everytime i fight a dexor to use my specials and i just dont hit them...maybe 5% of the time it works. i dont have room on my mage suit for HLD, HCI, HLA or massive dex. The problem with the wrestle specials is they are not effective enough without actully becoming a dexor.

And yes the mystic bushido gimps need to go to.
 
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Well wrestling you can't do hit lower attack as far as I know. So if you are needing more defense you need to figure something else out. Have you ever tried a high HPR suit? These sometimes help when learning pvp I think you can get 24 HPR and with healing and max dex you can probably defend against some ganks. Can you get something that helps you lower the attackers hit chance? Brass knuckles with HLA (just kidden)? Another option is to use a weapon with HLA 50% and max SSI and get that affect to stick and then switch to wrestle or can you spam disarm?

-Lorax
I understand what your trying to say, but one of the problems is i have wrestle and shouldnt need a mage weapon. And Im not saying remove all specail moves either maybe add timers to them so people do spam them non stop or nerf the HLD prop.

about wrestling...
Wrestling is a skill often used to complement Magery. It allows a mage to DEFEND while adhering to the requirement of having hands free when casting spells or using Meditation. The Wrestling skill is checked automatically each time in bare handed combat. The skill determines the frequency of your attacks, as well as the amount of damage you deal when striking an opponent.

and i have pvp'd for over ten years, i wouldent post if i wasent certian its a issue.
 
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