Hey Devs take a walk in ATL Luna ...

[Pojman5]

WELL HELLO!!!! I seem to have stumbled across a thread that is all about me!! Wow... Makes me feel popular. Anyways - I only felt it was necessary that I throw a great big raw piece of meat to the wild pack of angry wolves to rip to shreads. Here I go.. To all of you who call me "cheater, duper, scriptor" I say to you... WRONG... I am not going to go into depth regarding my operation simply because there just isnt much to it.. Here is what i do - First I open my web browser.. Then i go to my favorite UO search engine.. Then i type into the search box "Valorite runic hammer" Next! I look for the cheapest price.. Then!! I simply go to the cheapest vendor and I will purchase the runics with my gold. Then i craft with the runics while listining to my favorite music.. Oh and I usualy drink chocolate milk and eat oreos. Right around the time my wife starts yelling at me to go to bed I quit crafting.. Then I quickly stock my vendors and go to bed before I **** my wife off too much..

So - I appreciate all you "dedicated players who are massivly paranoid" but, all I can say is I am sorry that you seem to be so angry about whatever events in your life have lead you up to this sorry point. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure you all know that I simply will not stop crafting. And I will not stop buying runics in whatever luna vendors are selling for the cheapest price.

Take care!

 

[Pojman5]

Of course WRR would never tolerate dupers....except maybe that one vendor at the WRR auction house on PAC that had multiple valorite and barbed runics for sale at the time of the ban. He pulled em mighty quick when the hammer started falling. Thie certain upstanding fellow you speak of has also flooded the market with enough uber armor to equip a legion of warriors. Every vendor house in sight has at least one or two vendors calling out his name.

AND!! Here we go again... That was not my vendor thank you very much. *bows to the crowd*

 

[AesSedai]

- Pojman5 - a little word of advice if I may (I mean since 'you', well perhaps 'you', are here now and aware of the public concerns):

If they're legit, you're safe. If you earned them yourself - whatever "they" are - you're fine.

You're wrong, Theo. Banning the traders - and getting the items out of circulation - is at least as important as banning the accounts that did the duping.

- Take that for what you will; it is just more public knowledge afterall...

 

[Pojman5]

Maybe now is a good time to advertise... For anyone who is interested! I build/sell high end PvP suits! Custom made from the best damn crafter on Pacific! Shoot me an ICQ 413-510-353

If the price is right! I will even Shard transfer it for free!! OMG XSHARDING... thats gonna boil everyones noodle im sure...

 

[MaryForUo]

we'd all close the accounts and start playing another game so UO'll close
and our real money'll have a better use!

 

[ColterDC]

the best damn exploiter on Pacific

That is more accurate to what you're doing.

You admit to knowing about all the duped hammers and buying as many of them as you can. I'm sure Jeremy is taking notes and I'll enjoy it very much when your vendors are removed, your account banned and I never see you again.

Get back to your pathetic life that apparently involves having no morales or sense of decency.

 

[a slave girl]

So you admit to knowing about all the duped hammers and buying as many of them as you can.

I'm sure Jeremy is taking notes and I'll enjoy it very much when your vendors are removed, your account banned and I never see you again.

Get back to your pathetic life that apparently involves having no morales or sense of decency.

Oh oh!

I just heard that Pojman bought UO from EA with the $50-$100 a month he claims he generates from his 'wife' twisting his arm to sell UO gold for cash.

It does makes sense.

No one in their right mind would flaunt ownership of so many val runic hammers/val runic made items so soon after the recent bannings UNLESS they felt IMMUNE to the UO Banhammer.

 

[ColterDC]

I find it hilarious that he's gating people at luna bank to his house that is 2 screens away from the bank.

Trying to unload as much stuff as possible before you either voluntarily remove your vendors or EA removes them for you?

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Maybe now is a good time to advertise... For anyone who is interested! I build/sell high end PvP suits! Custom made from the best damn crafter on Pacific! Shoot me an ICQ 413-510-353

If the price is right! I will even Shard transfer it for free!! OMG XSHARDING... thats gonna boil everyones noodle im sure...

Like I said, everyone gets into 8th grade name calling. You all dont get it. This guy isnt good or bad. Its not the issue. Maybe his dad could whip your dad. Or you dad could whip his dad. Who freaking cares.

He said how he plays. I could do the same and toyed with the IDEA.

He isnt the problem.
The solution is saying all God's creatures should be honest and loving. If we all stopped buying dupes... BLAH.

The problem is the GAME. EA fails to make the game safe. They fail. You can curse the cheats, dupers, players that buy hammers. I dont care. Curse each other, maybe start a gang war.

Dont lose sight of the point. EA is failing.

Its like saying we wouldnt need banks in real life if people would just respect each other and not rob each other. Aint going to happen.

Its a game. Improve the game integrity.

Im pissed about all that armour in game. Not at this fellow. The fact EA allows the game to be strip mined.

Here you go. You the big chees of EA.

1. Contact all the people in the world that play or would play UO and ask them to not cheat, dupe, or sell for real life cash.

OR

2. Fix the game so cheating and duping is harder (and move towards even making harder and dont stop) and make the need for buying items less necessary.

What would you pick.

 

[Noobish Noob]

Just for clarification..... I was not implying that the vendor selling the runic hammers and kits at WRR was Pojman's vendor. After reading my post I can see that my poor choice of wording might lead one to that conclusion. I am also not saying one way or another that he is a cheat or otherwise unsavory. I am saying that somehow he got a hold of a crap load of hammers and flooded the market with super armor. I think the point I was trying to make was that this is just the backside of the duping issue... where a supposedly rare item becomes common and the result of using this item floods the armor market with the Sam Plate and crushes the barbed runic market. He has become the Wallmart of Luna, squeezing out the non-massive runic amount buying little guys. Heck...I have a few sweet pieces of barbed I made that I thought would fetch a pretty penny but they will languish in a chest until the uber supply is depleted. Problem is, according to him he will never cease to buy and burn every val hammer he can find. The cycle is never ending. In his defense he is simply saying "Hey, I found it...I bought it..I burned it. Who cares where it came from...who cares if it is a dupe." I think that is the fundamental issue which keeps most of us from doing the same thing. For the love of gold and pixel crack, small actions of greed are what is slowly choking this game. Sure...the big ones are right in your face, but it is the small ones done daily that seem to strike at the very heart of UO. It's ok to script this...it's ok to exploit that... every one does....who am I hurting?....I need to in order to compete. Justify it any way you like but in the end the choice is still yours, and the one you make speaks volumes of your character both in game and out.

 

[Harb]

... I am saying that somehow he got a hold of a crap load of hammers and flooded the market with super armor. I think the point I was trying to make was that this is just the backside of the duping issue... where a supposedly rare item becomes common and the result of using this item floods the armor market with the Sam Plate and crushes the barbed runic market. He has become the Wallmart of Luna, squeezing out the non-massive runic amount buying little guys. ... The cycle is never ending. In his defense he is simply saying "Hey, I found it...I bought it..I burned it. Who cares where it came from...who cares if it is a dupe." I think that is the fundamental issue which keeps most of us from doing the same thing. For the love of gold and pixel crack, small actions of greed are what is slowly choking this game. Sure...the big ones are right in your face, but it is the small ones done daily that seem to strike at the very heart of UO. It's ok to script this...it's ok to exploit that... every one does....who am I hurting?....I need to in order to compete. Justify it any way you like but in the end the choice is still yours, and the one you make speaks volumes of your character both in game and out.

Well said. I strongly concur.

 

[Omnius]

My guildmate and I have probably provided the lions share of resources he burns for his runics. We're experienced idoccers that play on multiple shards. As you can imagine we come across large quantities of resources that we simply don't need because we only burn runics for ourselves. Pojman pays the same price everyone else does but he's regular business and his gold doesn't get us banned for having it. Say what you will but he's a legitimate crafter that has expanded on a large scale on a backwater shard. Pacific's low population of crafters and PvMers but larger population of pvpers is probably why he's able to corner the market.

If you want to see other huge operations, simply go to other shards with similar traits. People on every shard try to corner markets. Stat scrolls remain in the hands of those willing to put the work in as do inquisitors and ruined paintings. I know a few trash picking former thieves who have 3-4 ruined paintings in their homes simply because they take the time to control the supply and demand. If folks like me decided to get involved they'd probably flood the market with cheaper products like Pojman does to deter me from trying to take over.

 

[Lord Bishop]

Hi all I've been away since I started this thread and I was originally surprised to see it on the 1st page still. Thank you all for your continued commentary. I know very little about duping and whose duping I play on catskills and am not part of any guilds except with my rl friend. We enjoyed monster most of our uo life, and I also had a bod addiction. In response to the recent chatter on the banning I took a walk in atlantic and was so distraught I cancelled my 3 bod accounts. One aspect of the game has been competely ruined for me. I don't see how ez can unring the bell so to speak the duping was so prolific that parts of the game are ruined long term. Even if the burn the guys houses ban their accounts they will still come back because they earned a ton of rl money. Thats the bottom line for me.
Thanks Again

 

[MmorpgMan]

I really feel bad for teh core of you who dont understand how to make money in the world of ULTIMA ONLINE..

Duping has, and always will exist, weather its for real life cash profit or just the sake of owning the best items..

Dialbo has it, Age of conan has it, WOW has it.. They all do..

Simply get over it and enjoy your gaming experience, for whats its worth, GAMING experience or dont play.. Not a hard choice..

150 accounts in the core of 100,000 plus is hardly rumor to speculate whos a duper and whos not consider 1 duper prolly had 75 of those accounts.. and was banned single handidly, if anyone wants a break down on how simple it is in the UO economy to make 1 billion gold in a month feel free to iCq me..

This would b w/out duping and using simple logic..

 

[GarthGrey]

Hate to say it folks, but the simple fact that EA is now giving people warnings before they set vendors on fire, means this game is on its last leg. It's the equivalent of a police car riding by a bank as it's being robbed, Lights and Sirens!!!!!, and then driving past, giving the robbers time to stop what they're doing, and leave quietly. If UO wasn't already the laughing stock of MMOs, it certainly is now..

 

[a slave girl]

Like I said, everyone gets into 8th grade name calling. You all dont get it. This guy isnt good or bad. Its not the issue. Maybe his dad could whip your dad. Or you dad could whip his dad. Who freaking cares.

He said how he plays. I could do the same and toyed with the IDEA.

He isnt the problem.
The solution is saying all God's creatures should be honest and loving. If we all stopped buying dupes... BLAH.

The problem is the GAME. EA fails to make the game safe. They fail. You can curse the cheats, dupers, players that buy hammers. I dont care. Curse each other, maybe start a gang war.

Dont lose sight of the point. EA is failing.

Its like saying we wouldnt need banks in real life if people would just respect each other and not rob each other. Aint going to happen.

Its a game. Improve the game integrity.

Im pissed about all that armour in game. Not at this fellow. The fact EA allows the game to be strip mined.

Here you go. You the big chees of EA.

1. Contact all the people in the world that play or would play UO and ask them to not cheat, dupe, or sell for real life cash.

OR

2. Fix the game so cheating and duping is harder (and move towards even making harder and dont stop) and make the need for buying items less necessary.

What would you pick.

OR

3. Enforce the rules in your OWN TOS & ROC by cracking down hard on cheaters/dupers/dupe dealers

OR

4. Announce to all that certain players are favored by the company and allowed to do as they please and everyone else can either like it or lump it

OR

5. Sell licenses for $10,000 a year to those who wish to make a real life financial profit by selling UO virtual items/gold then MONITOR those accounts that hold licenses to ensure that they are operating legitimately AND keep a running list of all char names on those accounts on UOherald.com so that players ingame can also monitor their activities

OR

6. Rewrite the rules and allow EVERYONE who plays to cheat by scripting afk, duping, hacking and dupe dealing, not just those profit irl financially from doing so

OR

7. Sit around with your thumb up your ass while a handful of subscribers make a mockery of your company's policies by breaking the rules left and right, AND WATCH THE HONEST PLAYERS CANCEL THEIR SUBCRIPTIONS

OR

8. Apply for federal bankruptcy protection due to the staggering loss of income from all the gamers who got fed up with your inability to provide even the faintest semblance of a level playing field for ALL players in your online games and left for greener pastures.



Someone at EA "blamed" 150 accounts for owning duped val runic hammers in bulk.

Those 150 accounts were "blamed" into oblivion.

According to Jeremy 30 or more dupes was grounds for actioning those accounts, this guy proves in a very public way that he owned at minimum 40 duped val hammers SINCE the bannings (he did not sell valorite runic crafted armor prior to the bannings).


I agree that cheaters aren't ENTIRELY to blame in situations such as the val runic dupings.

I DO blame EA for being totally lax for a long time in enforcing their OWN RULES.

It seems that at least 95% of Pacific players seem to think that UO is not worth playing unless they can script skills while afk and/or buy scripted or duped items because they're cheaper, or even that cheating is ok because the cheaters are their ingame 'friends'.


Therefore EA does deserve 50% of the blame for allowing this guy to think that he can cheat in broad daylight.

This guy knew full well that he was buying dupe val hammers and so he deserves the other 50% of the blame for supporting the dupers actions.

The only difference is that if EA DID THEIR JOB properly, this guy would be account #151 "blamed" into oblivion for possession of 30 or more dupe val runic hammers, a stern lesson would be sent to those who contemplate cheating in UO, and the cheaters would then be 100% to blame for any cheating they do afterwards in UO.

I too have to wonder if all those banned over this were truly guilty when I hear what is ongoing on Atl and I see with my own eyes what continues to go on on Pacific with people still in possession of these duped val runics in large numbers.

Who was it that was in charge of deciding who got banned and deleted?

The more I hear and see the more it's beginning to sound like it might have been a rival broker who was handed the Banhammer and allowed to 'ban' those 150 accounts this time around.

 

[Pojman5]

I find it hilarious that he's gating people at luna bank to his house that is 2 screens away from the bank.

Trying to unload as much stuff as possible before you either voluntarily remove your vendors or EA removes them for you?

Ok... lets get something straight. First of all, I never once opened a gate to my vendors. Second, I WILL NOT remove ANY of my vendors. Third, I am not trying to "unload" anything due to paranoia... My vendors will stand and sell my wares until I either sell out, or I get sick of vendoring. Lets not misunderstand each other here.

I already stated! I buy runics in luna at the cheapest possible price. Then I turn around and craft with those runics. Then I sell my wares. I am not ashamed of what I do and I am not hiding anything. SO! Please, stop acting like I am someone with something to hide. I am standing here announcing exactly what my intentions are and how I go about crafting. The 3-4 people who cant control their sense of mental control do not represent the entire UO community. I have a lot of friends, and a lot of armor customers that would completly disagree.

 

[ColterDC]

The fact is EA just banned people for owning duped items.

You admit to having bought several (40+) duped runics.

Bottom line.........You should be banned.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

I've done BODs on Pacific for almost five years and I've never had a Valorite runic hammer.

All these hammers that popped up were obviously duped and anyone not living under a rock knew it.

Pojman you've admittedly purchased a lot of these hammers, which other players were banned for purchasing, and you are making huge amounts of gold selling the armor you crafted with duped runics.

The developers cast a pretty wide net for the recent banning, to include even players who purchased the duped goods. It wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to ban a player for possessing and selling the items created from the duped runics that other players were banned for having. Just a thought.

 

[uoBuoY]

To Bullet
Quite: "I kinda disagree, if you try and plant a seed in a container it tells you the exact seed # already planted. Im sure this was unintended but the evidance shows they have a specific number for that seed. try it when the planted container is locked down and try planting a second seed in it."

I completely agree with you that each item has an item type ID number. E.G.: all of that one kind of seed has ID number 12345 as an item type identifier. But each and every seed in the entire game doesn't have a unique individual ID number. So there is no way to locate 500 duped Val runics with the same unique ID. All Val runics in the game have the item type ID.

 

[Halister Marner]

I really feel bad for teh core of you who dont understand how to make money in the world of ULTIMA ONLINE..

Duping has, and always will exist, weather its for real life cash profit or just the sake of owning the best items..

Dialbo has it, Age of conan has it, WOW has it.. They all do..

Simply get over it and enjoy your gaming experience, for whats its worth, GAMING experience or dont play.. Not a hard choice..

150 accounts in the core of 100,000 plus is hardly rumor to speculate whos a duper and whos not consider 1 duper prolly had 75 of those accounts.. and was banned single handidly, if anyone wants a break down on how simple it is in the UO economy to make 1 billion gold in a month feel free to iCq me..

This would b w/out duping and using simple logic..

Hi

Sorry I didn't send payment after inquiring about the 50 valorite runic hammer package you were going to sell, but it's nice to know you have them in stock.

 

[uoBuoY]

To Theo_GL

Quote: "The reason I believe they have unique id's is because the devs SAID they implemented it a few years ago to curb the duping problems."

I was hired by a company to stop illegal computer usage by their employees. They rejected all the traditional methods except for monitoring site traffic. I then recommended that management circulate a memo every month describing all the internet monitoring that was implemented. Traffic to all illegal sites literally stopped dead.

Sometimes the people in charge "say" they are watching you or implementing new security systems when they aren't. Ever see security cams with a flashing LED and all that's inside is battery and the circuit that makes the LED flash.

So they did this yet they don't use it to locate cheats? As I said in my post, if there were individual exclusive item IDs, it's easier than a piece of cake to sort on the ID field which places all items with the same ID in a group. Then use a very simple script to locate all those items with matching IDs. This would be thousands of times simpler, faster and more accurate. You would locate single dupes and large, multiple dupes.

And Jeremy has said the only people that need to worry about banning are those who possess more than some secret number of items that you can't possibly have legally.

 

[Hank123]

Would someone point me towards the thread in which EA stated the banning were do to runics kits or hammers. I have been trying to keep up with everyting that has been going on ,but i must have overlooked it. The posts i did see from Jeremy just said duped items,it didnt say what type.

 

[Lord Bishop]

I just wish Jeremy would say something on the subject because its obvious the duping had wider implications then just the simple bannings that have occurred.

 

[Omnicron]

You missed alot of dupers and the items they created with the duped Val Hammers. Anyone with some spare time walk thru Atlantic Luna City the Armor and weapons created by the last dupe are so fantastic they will easily make anything else around seem pitiful. It a shame ea/mythic waited so long to fix the problem. Its obvious where the vendors are filled with items created from duped val hammers.

Can you prove they were made from duped hammers?

 

[BbqLou]

Hey, where on Pac are these pieces located, I saw a few pieces I want to buy.

Thanks.

 

[Harb]

Can you prove they were made from duped hammers?

That depends on whether you accept reasonable doubt or require a higher standard of burden. In the latter, no, the former, yes, albeit via circumstantial evidence only - it would appear. But burden of proof, and the degree of evidence/ proof required, is proportional to penalty. What amazes me about all this is that many of us are correlating this to a crime that carries a severe punishment under penal code. This is not the case. I've said in a variety of posts, I pass judgment on no one accused, and am very dissatisfied with what little is known regarding EA's response (this one can't be solely saddled on our Dev team, and likely doesn't involve Mythic very much at all. It's a very safe assumption that EA's legal department is involved, either directly or via policy, this likely being the primary reason there is so little open dialogue on the matter).

I spent my free time this afternoon creating/ logging in characters on the US shards, and walking through Luna on each looking at player vendors. With a single exception, and to varying degrees on all the others, there are still hammers, heartwood fletching kits, and a lot, and I mean a lot, of Sam armor assumedly created by duped items. The official statement on this issue is dated Aug 4, and posted on the UO website, meaning that for at least 12 days, the only action we are aware of on EA's part was to conduct limited bannings (not "limited" of course if you were caught up in it). The first time I personally observed hammers, fletching kits, and an infusion of crafted armor, was just before the Melissa event, published I think on or about Jul 10, 37 days ago.

Burden of proof, elements required, and appropriate penalty, at least for me have been overshadowed by, external to game play: 1) decision making, 2) response time, 3) public relations, 4) clear/ disseminated policy, 5) comprehensiveness of corrective measure, 6) short and long term solutions to duping, and internal to game play: 7) plans to re-level, compensate, and otherwise applaud honest play. All are important. I'll leave it there for now, but suffice it to say, any dev member with a delete key could have made the same walk-through I did today - a month ago, and none of this uproar would have occurred in open court.

 

[Lord Bishop]

If I was asked by a Priest or a Judge I would have to say yes the were created by duped hammers, because if I said no I would be lying. There is no chance that the armor was created by bod gotten hammers it would have taken 50 + hammers to make the items assuming the normal number of non uber items made to the uber item. The seller admits to buying the hammers so yes I can say beyond a reasonable doubt. I stamp them duped created

 

[Pojman5]

If I was asked by a Priest or a Judge I would have to say yes the were created by duped hammers, because if I said no I would be lying. There is no chance that the armor was created by bod gotten hammers it would have taken 50 + hammers to make the items assuming the normal number of non uber items made to the uber item. The seller admits to buying the hammers so yes I can say beyond a reasonable doubt. I stamp them duped created

Good thing God gave you your job at Mcdonalds then!

 

[Silly Seadog]

If I was asked by a Priest or a Judge I would have to say yes the were created by duped hammers, because if I said no I would be lying. There is no chance that the armor was created by bod gotten hammers it would have taken 50 + hammers to make the items assuming the normal number of non uber items made to the uber item. The seller admits to buying the hammers so yes I can say beyond a reasonable doubt. I stamp them duped created

Good thing God gave you your job at Mcdonalds then!

Arrrr, so ye be sayin' ye knows the person ye bought 'em from and believe they collected them hammers in a legitimate way, then?

 

[Pojman5]

Arrrr, so ye be sayin' ye knows the person ye bought 'em from and believe they collected them hammers in a legitimate way, then?

I am saying.. The vendors in question here are mine. And - I did collect the hammers in a legitimate way.

 

[Silly Seadog]

I am saying.. The vendors in question here are mine. And - I did collect the hammers in a legitimate way.

Arrrrrr! Let's not now be a-playin' word games... This be what ye done said earlier in this very thread:

I already stated! I buy runics in luna at the cheapest possible price. Then I turn around and craft with those runics. Then I sell my wares.

Let me rephrase my question as such:

So ye be sayin' ye knows the person ye bought 'em from and believe them there hammers were created in a legitimate way, then?

 

[AesSedai]

"Let's not now be a-playin' word games..."

He's bluntly said enough to show that he knows he has been breaking rules, as well as ignoring recent statements from the UO Team, and he doesn't intend to stop crafting as long as he can obtain the tools for crafting and sell the items he creates for a profit.
Or maybe am I wrong? Can he claim that he has not broken any UO game rules despite already admitting, within this thread, that he has?

 

[Pojman5]

Arrrrrr! Let's not now be a-playin' word games... This be what ye done said earlier in this very thread:



Let me rephrase my question as such:

So ye be sayin' ye knows the person ye bought 'em from and believe them there hammers were created in a legitimate way, then?

Alright Captian Hook.... I be sayin' - I bought them from the cheapest vendors in Luna. And, I have no idea who the owners were. When shopping in Luna, I do not make it a priority to consider who the owner is. I just want to do my shopping.

Next time you go into your favorite "ebgames" or any used video game store. Are you going to think to yourself... "Is this used video game im buying stolen?" Or... Would you approach the clerk and say, "Where the hell did this used video game come from?!?! This is a stolen game and this store should be BANNED FROM THE UNIVERSE!!"

Sorry people - I am going to keep doing my shopping in a legitimate way. In fact, I simply cant wait for my burn session tonigt. I am already getting excited! For those of you who want first crack at my best crafted pieces icq me at 413-510-353

 

[It Lives]

ShhHuuuUUUUUNnnnnN!!

 

[Pojman5]

"Let's not now be a-playin' word games..."

He's bluntly said enough to show that he knows he has been breaking rules, as well as ignoring recent statements from the UO Team, and he doesn't intend to stop crafting as long as he can obtain the tools for crafting and sell the items he creates for a profit.
Or maybe am I wrong? Can he claim that he has not broken any UO game rules despite already admitting, within this thread, that he has?

First of all.... I was not aware of any "statements from the UO team" Second of all - Yes, I can claim I did not break any rules. Third, nowhere have I "admitted to breaking any rules" Shopping is not "breaking the rules"

 

[Harb]

First of all.... I was not aware of any "statements from the UO team" Second of all - Yes, I can claim I did not break any rules. Third, nowhere have I "admitted to breaking any rules" Shopping is not "breaking the rules"

Let me begin by being absolute, I have no right to impose my personal ethical standards on you or anyone else, and neither do the rest of the folks here. Make your own choices. EA, and their personnel chartered with developing and maintaining the game, do. They have chosen, at least for the time being, to leave things as they are. But you also have no right do demand that other players endorse your choices and decisions, and vocalizing extensions of a known "flaw" within the game does nothing more than antagonize. I'm not angry or upset with you or anyone who plays the game relative to this issue. Frankly, I am becoming more and more irritated with EA. I see and have seen the items since they were introduced, and have made a personal choice that based on knowledge of events leading to their creation, that I'm not going to participate in any way. The game impact thats beginning to irk me, is that for years, I and anyone making similar decisions will remain at a competitive disadvantage for a long, long time to come

 

[AesSedai]

First of all.... I was not aware of any "statements from the UO team" Second of all - Yes, I can claim I did not break any rules. Third, nowhere have I "admitted to breaking any rules" Shopping is not "breaking the rules"

- First of all... the first reply I made directly to you, where I mentioned your name, included only two of the "statements from the UO team" that might make you think twice about how you are distributing items that were created from mass produced illegal items (hey, you are a crafter, you know the near impossibility of that many legitimate valorite runics being on a single shard).
Second of all - You admit to breaking the rules as soon as you described your first step in shopping (#21 you will not post, use...).
Third, read my response to the second; no need to get into further details of other possible violations.

Granted, the odds on them enforcing rule #21 are... low.
But by searching for bargains, in the way you have admitted to, you are "breaking rules."

Hey, I used to love crafting for others as well.
I loved bargain hunting too.
Buy low, sell high.
Great stuff.
But knowingly, as an experienced crafter that can offer 'the best armor possible', taking advantage of and profiteering from purchasing illegal items is at best a cheap practice.

I wish UO could take care of the problem just as much as I'm sure you do (although you will have much less of a chance to purchase cheap high-end runics for crafting and in-turn making plenty o' golds). But the fact remains that they busted people for doing just as you are; although since you are likely turning around and making armor with them as soon as you get them you may have escaped the latest round-up of illegally created items (making armor from an illegal item may technically make a legal item; but it is still laundering just as washing million gold checks is. Btw in regards to your analogy: You aren't buying your used games from EBGames. You are buying them from an unlicensed vendor on a street corner...).
Take care.

 

[AesSedai]

- I see you have remained online, and looking at this thread until within the past few minutes. So, please allow me to replace a word in my 2nd to last sentence. In my attempted update to your analogy, I would like to change: Vendor to Fencer.

(Still, I cannot knock you too much, for buying low and selling high is an inherent desire when wanting to be an accomplished trader. So when I said take care, I meant it. It is unfortunate that we even have to deal with these illegally obtained items within the format of this fun game we call UO; a game that 'most all of us would continue to enjoy playing, especially if it was limited to fair play.)

 

[galefan2004]

I'd bet money this guy is script mining and BoD collecting.

I'd have to say at least 75% of the miners/bod runners are scripting all or part of the process.

So you're admitting he bought a ton of duped hammers.....then he should have been banned.

EA made a mistake in banning anyone simply because they bought duped items. Buying items (even if they are duped) should not get you banned. You should have the items deleted and possibly get a warning, but there is no way you should get an actual ban unless you were the one actually duping items. As usual, EA messed this aspect up with these bans.

 

[galefan2004]

Maybe now is a good time to advertise... For anyone who is interested! I build/sell high end PvP suits! Custom made from the best damn crafter on Pacific! Shoot me an ICQ 413-510-353

If the price is right! I will even Shard transfer it for free!! OMG XSHARDING... thats gonna boil everyones noodle im sure...

This tool honestly makes me glad I gave up on UO a long long time ago to play a game where they actually ban the correct people. I would never want to condone hacks, but I'm sure someone will be greatful you glady give out your ICQ. Also, you have pretty much admitted in an open forum that you buy the cheapest hammers you possibly can when it is common knowledge that they are dupes. If EA doesn't catch up with you then maybe karma will.

 

[galefan2004]

Dialbo has it, Age of conan has it, WOW has it.. They all do..

Its a mute point in WoW. Even if you want to make the arguement that WoW has it it doesn't matter because anything worth actually duping isn't going to sell for more than maybe 500 gold. I can legitimately make 1000+ gold IN A DAY in WoW. Its all about playing the AH and picking the right professions. You don't need to dupe to EASILY make money in WoW, so if you are duping you are risking an account ban. Blizzard seems to always ban the right people, and they ban often, and they actually track the resources. Sure you can dupe in WoW, but don't be surprised if you try to log in the next day only to not have an account. Also, they actually ban the gold sellers extremely often and they don't even allow their trial accounts to trade with other players, so the gold sellers in WoW actually have to pay for new accounts often which cuts into their bottom line.

 

[galefan2004]

Good thing God gave you your job at Mcdonalds then!

Least he makes more than $100 a month at McDonalds. I can totally understand trying to make money off of video game, but UO? Seriously. Is that the best you can do? This game hasn't been a huge source of income since powerscrolls sold for $200 on eBay and that was years ago. You are lucky to get $1 per million now. If you are selling 600 million a month you are making $600 a month. At that rate of income you should seriously be jealous that he has a job at McDonald's.

 

[Amber Moon]

Burden of proof, elements required, and appropriate penalty, at least for me have been overshadowed by, external to game play: 1) decision making, 2) response time, 3) public relations, 4) clear/ disseminated policy, 5) comprehensiveness of corrective measure, 6) short and long term solutions to duping, and internal to game play: 7) plans to re-level, compensate, and otherwise applaud honest play. All are important. I'll leave it there for now, but suffice it to say, any dev member with a delete key could have made the same walk-through I did today - a month ago, and none of this uproar would have occurred in open court.

That would be a proffessional approach.

I think we have identified the problem but I am not hopeful for a solution any time soon.

 

[Theo_GL]

Alright Captian Hook.... I be sayin' - I bought them from the cheapest vendors in Luna. And, I have no idea who the owners were. When shopping in Luna, I do not make it a priority to consider who the owner is. I just want to do my shopping.

Next time you go into your favorite "ebgames" or any used video game store. Are you going to think to yourself... "Is this used video game im buying stolen?" Or... Would you approach the clerk and say, "Where the hell did this used video game come from?!?! This is a stolen game and this store should be BANNED FROM THE UNIVERSE!!"

Sorry people - I am going to keep doing my shopping in a legitimate way. In fact, I simply cant wait for my burn session tonigt. I am already getting excited! For those of you who want first crack at my best crafted pieces icq me at 413-510-353

Oh Jeremy????

Could you please drop by and ban this guy? You said you wanted to get the hammers out of the game. Well, since you missed on that count - here is a chance to get rid of alot of the spoils of those ill gotten hammers.

You have proved that you don't care about getting the dupers and instead are banning people for the illegal items. Well, why not ban for the product of the illegal hammers?

Sorry bud. Jeremy has said they care about getting the illegal items out of the game more than they care about the actual cheater.

How about deleting every item in the game crafted by this player and also banning his account and deleting the gold? Sounds like a plan to me.

 

[Xrenos]

I just have to post in this thread.

I was banned 1st of August. I have never cheated. I did not have any val hammers and loads of val crafted stuff.
All I had was a castle and 8 years invented in banned account.

Soon only dupers will remain in UO

 

[Harb]

I just have to post in this thread.

I was banned 1st of August. I have never cheated. I did not have any val hammers and loads of val crafted stuff.
All I had was a castle and 8 years invented in banned account.

Soon only dupers will remain in UO

Yes, this one seems extraordinarily "out of hand." 1) There seems a "human" intervention/ requirement at this point. The staff that supports this game, and I don't mean the generic Pogo/ UO response team (not a "slight" guys, you do what you're paid to do), but the folks who are dedicated to this product specifically, need to personally become involved and review actions to date, regardless of job title. I can't even tell you the name of the person running our team (Cal something I think), communication has lagged to that point, but he/ she also needs to become directly, personally, and publicly involved. The community needs it for the morale/ confidence boost, players involved who may have been victims of collateral damage need it for a myriad of reasons. 2) Items must be removed from the game. Dev, and if necessary the entire organization, needs to hit the streets and clean the vendors up with a delete function. 3) Any account inadvertently deleted needs reinstated, homes replaced (sadly that means Malas (and I really don't care that marketing owns that terrain-make some new ground and give that to them)), and retribution provided at an equitable level. 4) A formal explanation and summary needs to be posted, and not by the community coordiator. 5) Every account in this game, on every shard, needs a bag of hammers, I don't know the correct balance, but one hammer each gold-val and a heartwood kit seems about right (the bag they come in can be labeled "Getting it right"). None of this matters if the backend problem of duping isn't fixed once and for all, and maybe not until gold as an economic standard is replaced with a system not subjected to years of cheats/ manipulation. I don't know if any of this would provide solice to all, or to you, but it would definitely be a strong statement in the proper direction.

 

[Lord Bishop]

If only they had acted faster

 

[blust4]

This 'upstanding' gold seller on Pacific has 564 pieces of metal val runic crafted samurai armor for sale on 11 Luna city vendors at this moment. 564/15 val runic hammer uses = 38 val hammers.

Before the val runic duping scandal broke he told me he had access to val runic hammers at $15 each and resold them for $25 each.

(Not his business where the guy he buys them from gets them he said.) Just his business to make a real life cash profit.

Before the val runic duping he only sold UBER barbed kit LEATHER armors.

He sold a val runic hammer a couple of days ago and now has another for sale as well.

That adds up to 40 val runics since the bannings.

Jeremy you SAID 30 or more dupes is asking for your account to be actioned.

Course he probably can't be touched cuz the 38 duped val runic hammers have been laundered into uber expensive armor.

Maybe he is a smart guy who knows how to beat the system. From personal experience, I know it is OK to hold one or two valorite runic hammers. What he needs to do is to buy two runic hammers at a time, immediately used it and put the armors on his vendors, then goes to his source again and buy another two valorite hammers. This way he won't trigger the alert and he stocks hundreds of uber armor pieces on his vendors. After he stocked 100+ uber armors on his vendors, his reputation proceeds him and he can charge 10m or 25m a piece for an those really good armor pieces.

 

[a slave girl]

Maybe he is a smart guy who knows how to beat the system. From personal experience, I know it is OK to hold one or two valorite runic hammers. What he needs to do is to buy two runic hammers at a time, immediately used it and put the armors on his vendors, then goes to his source again and buy another two valorite hammers. This way he won't trigger the alert and he stocks hundreds of uber armor pieces on his vendors. After he stocked 100+ uber armors on his vendors, his reputation proceeds him and he can charge 10m or 25m a piece for an those really good armor pieces.

"Maybe he is a smart guy..."


"What he needs to do is to buy two runic hammers at a time, immediately used it and put the armors on his vendors, then goes to his source again and buy another two valorite hammers. This way he won't trigger the alert and he stocks hundreds of uber armor pieces on his vendors."




Well obviously he isn't "smart" enough to NOT "trigger the alert" because he DID stock "hundreds of uber armor pieces on his vendors" (564 total pieces the day I added them up, which required a mininmum of 38 valorite hammers to craft) and in doing so he DID "trigger the alert".


Then again he did launder his multiple hammers and turn them into armor.


He IS still ingame making money off owning multiple val hammers while lots of others got banned for the same thing...


I guess that DOES mean that he is smarter than EAMythic at least.