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Hey Devs, a question about BAZAAR Vendors....

UltimatePower

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That there may be ONE player here and there offering "some" vendor spot for free is NOT something which those in charge with designing and running the game should consider when planning, designing and coding changes for the game.
Make that two players, I own the best Luna house on Baja, I give away vendors for free to anyone that asks.
Lots of people do this.

With your attitude though, no wonder no one has ever offered you one.
 

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Uhu ?

The "Haves not" having to feed on the "Haves" left overs ? No thanks.

That's how I see it.
Then you are ignoring a Law of the Universe.

You get PRECISELY what you hold as a dominant thought in your subconscious mind. Period.

I USED to be a "Have Not". I changed my thinking, and all I thought about was WHAT I COULD DO to become somewhat of a "Have".

I started a vendor house in the middle of nowhere. I spread runes daily. I stocked my vendors with low cost but desirable goods. I spread runes, and then helped people when they came to my vendor house.

I spread so many runes that some of the Fel Folks made runes that looked exactly like the ones I made...they had some fun killing folks that thought they were coming to my vendors.

Anyway...you want to be a "Have"? Then become a "Have". The ONLY person holding you back AT ALL from that lofty objective...is you.

Think you can, think you can't...either way, you'll be right...

I now own a Luna Vendor house bought with gold made from spreading runes and outfitting PvPers. I worked VERY hard to get what I have in the game.

And because I did it, I know that anyone, willing to pay the price, can do it too.

Any new or returning player has the same exact opportunities as you and I do.

It is what we DO with our opportunities that counts...that and what we think about the most, and take action on.

It really is that simple...you make it so complicated and you try so hard to find the failure factor in nearly everything about the game.

You tend to find what you look for. This is a Universal Law.

Try looking for ways that ANYONE can succeed in the game, without having the game redesigned or re engineered to make it happen.
 

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Anyway...you want to be a "Have"? Then become a "Have". The ONLY person holding you back AT ALL from that lofty objective...is you.

Well, depending how a "Have" might be defined (i.e. what the threashold may be...), I "might" be considered among the "Haves", I do not know.
I have my fair share of gold, artifacts, good housing, rares so, I am not in need for anything particular. I would have no problem to have vendors if I wanted to but my time nowadays in the game is limited and so I would have a hard time running after them.

I am discussing the issue with Bazaar vendors, like it or not, not because of personal reasons as often I am mistaken to post for, go figure why....., but because I genuinely think it would be the best and most proper thing to do for the game I play, Ultime Online.

I just do not see why yet another vending addition in the game should go to those players who least need it (because they already have plenty of vending capabilities in prime vending locations...) and deprive of it players who might most need it (because they do NOT have prime vending capabilties...).

I do not think the game needs to give some more to those who already have plenty of, I happen to be of the opinion that the right thing to do would be to make these Bazaar vendors available to those players who most need them which, as I see it, would be those players who do NOT have and have NOT had in the past months any prime vending capability.

I hope I have some rights to be entitled to my opinion about the game I play and voice it up, right ?


Try looking for ways that ANYONE can succeed in the game, without having the game redesigned or re engineered to make it happen.
Redesigned ? Re engineered ?

The Bazaar vendors are NOT in the game as of yet. For all we know, they might not even be on the planning board yet and not even be added to the game........

I am discussing them just bringing a different perspective, early on, so that "if" the Developers decide to spend their time on them, they may consider, for the better sake of Ultima Online, a different perspective like mine to make them available mainly to players who have not had and do not have prime vending capabilities.

If any player already has a Vendor House in Luna, Zento or Magincia or have vendors there anyways whether at friends' or at a Guild House, why on earth would they also want to have a Bazaar vendor when there may be other players needing them way more since they instead have no other access to prime location vendors as they have ??

I mean, I just would find it absurd to perhaps see a player owning a House full of vendors across the road from wherever these Bazaar Vendors will be allocated (if they ever will be added to the game that is...), and see this player also have Bazaar Vendors there on top of all of the vendors this player might have in that House across the road from them...... And this, when there may be players in the game who have no prime vending capability in the game.

I am sorry, but that is not something I could possibly agree with. Nothing to some players and too much to others ? No thanks.
 

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Always...

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

The word you're looking for is "rarely".
You are, honestly, one of the least respectful people I've ever known - in no small part because of your stubborn insistence that you are in fact respectful, and therefore bear no responsibility for the hostility you attract in your threads.

Quoting Petra here .....
http://vboards.stratics.com/1939854-post6.html

Please employ usercp > edit ignore list > Add a Member to Your List...
 
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Well, depending how a "Have" might be defined (i.e. what the threashold may be...), I "might" be considered among the "Haves", I do not know.
I have my fair share of gold, artifacts, good housing, rares so, I am not in need for anything particular. I would have no problem to have vendors if I wanted to but my time nowadays in the game is limited and so I would have a hard time running after them.

I am discussing the issue with Bazaar vendors, like it or not, not because of personal reasons as often I am mistaken to post for, go figure why....., but because I genuinely think it would be the best and most proper thing to do for the game I play, Ultime Online.

I just do not see why yet another vending addition in the game should go to those players who least need it (because they already have plenty of vending capabilities in prime vending locations...) and deprive of it players who might most need it (because they do NOT have prime vending capabilties...).

I do not think the game needs to give some more to those who already have plenty of, I happen to be of the opinion that the right thing to do would be to make these Bazaar vendors available to those players who most need them which, as I see it, would be those players who do NOT have and have NOT had in the past months any prime vending capability.

I hope I have some rights to be entitled to my opinion about the game I play and voice it up, right ?




Redesigned ? Re engineered ?

The Bazaar vendors are NOT in the game as of yet. For all we know, they might not even be on the planning board yet and not even be added to the game........

I am discussing them just bringing a different perspective, early on, so that "if" the Developers decide to spend their time on them, they may consider, for the better sake of Ultima Online, a different perspective like mine to make them available mainly to players who have not had and do not have prime vending capabilities.

If any player already has a Vendor House in Luna, Zento or Magincia or have vendors there anyways whether at friends' or at a Guild House, why on earth would they also want to have a Bazaar vendor when there may be other players needing them way more since they instead have no other access to prime location vendors as they have ??

I mean, I just would find it absurd to perhaps see a player owning a House full of vendors across the road from wherever these Bazaar Vendors will be allocated (if they ever will be added to the game that is...), and see this player also have Bazaar Vendors there on top of all of the vendors this player might have in that House across the road from them...... And this, when there may be players in the game who have no prime vending capability in the game.

I am sorry, but that is not something I could possibly agree with. Nothing to some players and too much to others ? No thanks.
Prime vending capability is a crap concept Pops.

Set up a vendor and stock it nicely, drop runes, add some players and before you know the realm comes and visits your shop.

Or pay a small fee. I pay 85k a month to rent Luna Vendors in addition to the above. That is practically free.

Why do you hide what you want to say...

Who are you angry at or feel just shouldnt have a bazaar vendor?

Who?

Lets hear it. Exactly...

The idea of a bazaar vendor is a good idea. The idea of you thinking someone should miraculously be able to determine who deserves and doesn't deserve... is well scary.

Its a game. All people have rights for any part of it.

This thread should get locked because it is nonsense... once again.
 

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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

The word you're looking for is "rarely".
You are, honestly, one of the least respectful people I've ever known - in no small part because of your stubborn insistence that you are in fact respectful, and therefore bear no responsibility for the hostility you attract in your threads.

Quoting Petra here .....
http://vboards.stratics.com/1939854-post6.html

Please employ usercp > edit ignore list > Add a Member to Your List...
popps, telling someone to "ignore" you doesn't make their statement any less true. You are nearly always hostile to people who disagree with you.
 

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I have been thinking about this and I think it is a great idea and I hope EA/UO does this. Here is how I will make sure I get one if not more of these vendors. I will open up one or more of my mule accounts under my wifes name and use her credit card to pay for it. This will be one if not more of those "Have-not" accounts. Then I will just give her (my wife's account) everything to sell on this great vendor and she (my wife's account) can get the gold and go buy things from my Luna vendor.

This will be so easy to exploit it is not funny. If I can do this than you know for a fact that everybody will do them same thing as long as that account is a "Have-not" account.

Waits for Popps "Well you know EA/UO could"

Well you know EA/UO could do a lot of things but they wont and this will be just another one of those things that will be easy to exploit.

Can not be done, awaits your next outstanding idea on how to fix UO.
 
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1 and now you can have 5 Mag. vendor spots. Say thank you to Popps.
Well thats because you arent the fair and honest casual player like me.

Your a power gamer, scrippy, cheater that only plays for gold.


Im just joking by the way.
 

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Prime vending capability is a crap concept Pops.

Prime (location) vending capabilities will become a crap concept only whenever the Developers will (finally) decide to give to Ultima Online a Vendors' Global Search System....

Until then, not all vendors are made equal, some are MORE equal than others and so their owners....... Now, THIS is the real crap, IMHO.
 

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I have been thinking about this and I think it is a great idea and I hope EA/UO does this. Here is how I will make sure I get one if not more of these vendors. I will open up one or more of my mule accounts under my wifes name and use her credit card to pay for it. This will be one if not more of those "Have-not" accounts. Then I will just give her (my wife's account) everything to sell on this great vendor and she (my wife's account) can get the gold and go buy things from my Luna vendor.

This will be so easy to exploit it is not funny. If I can do this than you know for a fact that everybody will do them same thing as long as that account is a "Have-not" account.

At least players will need to open for the purpose an account and maintain it as active, thus paying monthly subscriptions...., without using any prime vending capability, for whatever time the Developers will decide to be fit in order to qualify for a Bazaar Vendor. Six months ? A Year ? That's from 60 to 120 bucks additional revenues from whomever will want to use this "work around" in order to get a Bazaar Vendor......

That is good extra revenue to Ultima Online as compared to giving out Bazaar Vendors all for nothing to existing accounts who already have been using for the past months vendors at prime vending locations and who thus do not much need them......

Good for Ultima Online.


Well you know EA/UO could do a lot of things but they wont and this will be just another one of those things that will be easy to exploit.

Can not be done, awaits your next outstanding idea on how to fix UO.
It sure can be done, and when done cleverly, it can be done without necessarily having the players outsmart the developers.......
 

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Since this topic is in limbo and the DEVS have not said anything or explained how the Bazaar is going to work yet I think this topic has been hashed and rehashed over with alot of speculation.

So instead of dragging this longer then it should, or how it should work, and how "someone" would like it to work, like Petra said.....


There is absolutely no official information on these. No one knows how they'll work, or even if they'll ever make it into the live game at all.
Can we please wait until these are something more than speculative rumour before you issue your instructions on how you require them to be implemented?
 

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At least players will need to open for the purpose an account and maintain it as active, thus paying monthly subscriptions...., without using any prime vending capability, for whatever time the Developers will decide to be fit in order to qualify for a Bazaar Vendor. Six months ? A Year ? That's from 60 to 120 bucks additional revenues from whomever will want to use this "work around" in order to get a Bazaar Vendor......

That is good extra revenue to Ultima Online as compared to giving out Bazaar Vendors all for nothing to existing accounts who already have been using for the past months vendors at prime vending locations and who thus do not much need them......

Good for Ultima Online.
LOL So as long as EA/UO get RL cash then it will be ok to exploit this. You have no clue as to what I even said. This is priceless. And what happened to the part that this is to help new players and now you are saying people have to wait. By the way all my closed are 5 yrs or older so I do not have to wait. All it has to be is a "Have-not" account.

It sure can be done, and when done cleverly, it can be done without necessarily having the players outsmart the developers.......
Right you think EA/UO is going to do this and yet you scream all the the time about cheaters, scriptors and exploiters and because you think this is such a great idea that EA/UO will take care of your idea and forget the rest. I want what you are smoking.
 
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There is no need to re-invent the wheel. UO does not have internal mail nor does it have a simple currency system.

If they choose to go this path, then a system similar to AO would be more than sufficient.

The ability to search and receive a name, location and so on... hell - it doesnt even have to be in-game.

If they want to attach a price tag to it, simply add a cost (flat or floating like the current fees) to list the vendor in the search db for a week at a time.

This is not a haves/have-nots type of situation, this is just common sense.
 
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UO does not have internal mail nor does it have a simple currency system.
They do now - there are messages sent out to people who won the New Magincia plots. There is a video on YouTube showing it, and it's basically a messaging system. You get a notice that pops up when you log in, and you can dismiss it or read it, and it shows how many messages you have. I think an Origin player got several houses on one account, and it showed a messaging queue.
 

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This is all based on sheer guesswork based on a few text strings in the cliloc files!

Even there, I don't believe there is any mention of 'bazaar'?
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<div align=center><b>New Magincia Bazaar Stall Leasing</b></div><div align=left><br><br>Leasing a bazaar stall requires purchase of the [Booster Name Here].<br><br>Stalls are leased for a period of 7 days. At the time a stall becomes available, the highest bid for that specific stall, or the highest bid for the first available stall (whichever is higher) wins the lease for that stall immediately. The funds for the winning bid are taken up front and there are <b>no refunds</b>.<br><br>Bazaar stall lease winners will be notified immediately if logged in, or at next login.<br><br>Each person may have one active bid (per account, not per character) at a time. Anyone may place, retract, or adjust a bid for a stall lease at any time. Funds for bids are held in reserve. Bids may only be funded from checks and gold in the character's bank box, and all returned bids are delivered to the claimant's bank box.<br><br>If a person is currently leasing a bazaar stall, that person may bid on another stall. If that person wins a new stall lease, the current lease is <b>abandoned with no refund</b> and the contents of the old stall are relocated to the new one. The current high bid on the abandoned stall immediately wins, beginning a new 7-day lease.<br><br>Anyone leasing a stall may place a hidden "match bid" to retain that stall. At the time of lease expiration, if the current highest bid for that stall is equal to or less than the match bid, the match bid wins the auction at the highest bid price and the current lease is extended for another 7 days.<br><br>The current renter may abandon a stall lease at any time but will not receive a refund.<br><br>Auction end times are always reported as approximations, and an auction reported as "Up To 6 Hours" may end at any moment. In the case that a stall has no current lease and no bids, the stall's lease will remain at auction for 12 to 24 hours.

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I'm not telling what I've heard but.... if half of what I hear and a 10th of what I suspect is accurate.... Well it made me debate on selling my Luna house or not..
 
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Oh yeah, there is another use of the in-game messaging system.

They just need to expand it from people receiving messages from the system for winning plots or vendor notices to something everybody can use. It's one of those things that new players coming from other games will also expect to have available to them.
 
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Sorry if this has already been answered, but I'm tired of sifting through troll posts to find the answer. Does anyone know who will officially be owning these stalls? Or is it like another gold sink? I know they will be in New Mag, so will house owners there have any influence on these stalls?

I understand this is all hearsay, but I'm curious if anyone may know some info on these questions.
 

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Sorry if this has already been answered, but I'm tired of sifting through troll posts to find the answer. Does anyone know who will officially be owning these stalls? Or is it like another gold sink? I know they will be in New Mag, so will house owners there have any influence on these stalls?

I understand this is all hearsay, but I'm curious if anyone may know some info on these questions.
From what I can make out it's a combination Gold Sink/Rental bit.. Players will bid on vendor stalls to win them for a set period. After that period they have to bid again, Or they can begin bidding on a new stall lease possibly loose a couple of days on their current one and move to a new one. I'm not sure how maintenance fees if any will work, or when/if this system will finally be implemented...
 

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LOL So as long as EA/UO get RL cash then it will be ok to exploit this. You have no clue as to what I even said. This is priceless. And what happened to the part that this is to help new players and now you are saying people have to wait. By the way all my closed are 5 yrs or older so I do not have to wait. All it has to be is a "Have-not" account.

More active subscriptions means more money to the game.

Personally, I see this as a very good thing as more revenues help keep Ultima Online afloat and further develop it.

This said, since it is clearly not possible to forbid an existing player to open a new account or re-activate an inactive one for the sole purpose of grabbing also a Bazaar Vendor on top af all of the prime vending capabilities they have, at least, the game could benefit from this by setting a time frame (6 months, a year ?) that the account has been kept as active and with no prime vending capabilities in order to qualify for a Bazaar Vendor.

This might not be a perfect solution but it is an acceptable compromise since it deters existing players who already have prime vending capabilities from also wanting to get a Bazaar vendor, and it ensures increased revenues to the Game.

How many players, who already have a bunch of vendors at prime vending locations, might be willing to spend an extra 60 to 120 bucks just to get also a Bazaar vendor which, after all, they have no real need for since they already have a bunch of vendors or access to at prime vending locations ?

I do not think it would be many players who'd like to spend so much real money and keep spending it by maintaining the account as active just to have a Bazaar Vendor....
They already have vendors at prime vending locations and so a Bazaar Vendor would be in excess. If it came for free but since it would cost some pretty penny......

I think it would be a deterrant good enough to keep away most players who already have prime location vending capabilities or easy access to them.

There would be another possibility, though, and I think that technically it could be possible but am not sure whether the Devs might want to go that far.

That is, make the active account with no other prime vending capabilities a shorter one to make it easier for brand new accounts to have access to them, but match the IP address with these brand new accounts with that of other accounts. If other accounts are found from the same Household (same or very close IP address) having already or having had recently prime vending capabilities that the other new account would be rejected access to Bazaar vendors.

A little more complicated, but still technically feasible I think.

But should the Devs not want to get that far, a time frame of 6 to 12 months of active account with no prime vending capabilities should at least reduce the problem of this new additions all going to the same players who already have plenty of housing or vending capabilities at prime vending locations.

Right you think EA/UO is going to do this and yet you scream all the the time about cheaters, scriptors and exploiters and because you think this is such a great idea that EA/UO will take care of your idea and forget the rest. I want what you are smoking.
Forget "what" rest ?

Why, if they are working now on planning and designing Bazaar Vendors should they "forget the rest" and not make them differently, less in favour of players who need them the least and more in favour of players who need them the most ??

They already have set their work schedule on doing Bazaar Vendors, I imagine, it would be just doing them a little differently but it would not involve "forgetting the rest" I would imagine......
 

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There is no need to re-invent the wheel. UO does not have internal mail nor does it have a simple currency system.

If they choose to go this path, then a system similar to AO would be more than sufficient.

The ability to search and receive a name, location and so on... hell - it doesnt even have to be in-game.

If they want to attach a price tag to it, simply add a cost (flat or floating like the current fees) to list the vendor in the search db for a week at a time.

This is not a haves/have-nots type of situation, this is just common sense.

If you are referring to a Vendors' Global Search System rather than the Bazaar vendors (which are 2 different things...), definately the former would be a much final and better solution since it would address the core of the problem, comprehensively, and once and for all.

And why is that good for the game ?

Because it would make sure that all players would finally be on an equal footing as in regards to vending capabilities, regardless of where their vendors might be (no more prime vending locations or, at least, they would not matter as much as now, any longer....), and this would ensure wider competition of prices which is the very one thing that an economy needs in order to flight inflation.

Since, from the thread that was started by a Developer now spanning several pages, it seems that they do are concerned about inflation in Ultima Online, I would imagine that putting up a Vendors' Global Search System that is a hell of a good guarantee to fight inflation in this game, would be in the Developers' (and in UO's) best interest........

Yes, if I had to choose between Bazaar Vendors and a Vendors' Global Search System I'd pick the latter in a heartbeat.........
 

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Sorry if this has already been answered, but I'm tired of sifting through troll posts to find the answer. Does anyone know who will officially be owning these stalls? Or is it like another gold sink? I know they will be in New Mag, so will house owners there have any influence on these stalls?

It would make no sense whatsoever for New Magincia House owners who already have vendors there, to also have access to Bazaar Vendors located in New Magincia...

I mean, they already have their vendors in New Magincia, perhaps even just across the road from where the Bazaar vendors will be located so, how much sense would it make if they also had access to Bazaar Vendors on top of the vending capability they arealdy have in the same one place ????

It is like I have a horse and someone else is on foot. We found another horse and I get 2 hourses and the other fellow keeps staying on foot ?

Makes no sense to me........
 

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From what I can make out it's a combination Gold Sink/Rental bit.. Players will bid on vendor stalls to win them for a set period. After that period they have to bid again, Or they can begin bidding on a new stall lease possibly loose a couple of days on their current one and move to a new one. I'm not sure how maintenance fees if any will work, or when/if this system will finally be implemented...

If it stays that way, with a week rental period it will be a pain to handle these vendors.

Can you imagine having to readjust all of the vendor's inventory ? Re-price every single item on them and this every 7 days ?? From what I see to understand, when the rental week expires, all of the inventory gets thrown into a container where it stays for a week for player's retrieval and after that it goes "poof".....

For a casual player who can play only weekends it could mean having to just re-organize Bazaar vendors inventories and pricing in their entire playing time, weekend after weekend.......
Not really an exciting perspective, IMHO.....

Not to mention the nightmare for those players who run into real life emergencies, forget about their Bazaar vendors for a week and their rares, expensive items go "poof".......

It is ridicolous, IMHO.
 

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WHEN you have real facts instead of speculative guesswork you might be able to make an informed judgement on whether the system is ridiculous or not. I am not in favour of criticising anyone for what they might be intending to do. Unless you have a degree in mind reading I think this thread has gone far enough.
 
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If they stick to what they've added in the last couple of client patches and it was a week-long vendor rental, followed by a week to retrieve your stuff, I'd say stick a book and some runes to your house in your bazaar vendor, with a title on the book mentioning more/better stuff at your house.

You don't have to run expensive rares on these things - you can use them as another way to drive traffic to your house.
 

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WHEN you have real facts instead of speculative guesswork you might be able to make an informed judgement on whether the system is ridiculous or not. I am not in favour of criticising anyone for what they might be intending to do. Unless you have a degree in mind reading I think this thread has gone far enough.

I am sorry, I was not criticising anyone but merely saying, that should that be the way they will work, I find it to the disadvantage of players.

Is it better to say it before they actually spend time on the thing or after which means going through it back again to re-work it ?

Personally, I think it is better to bring up issues before rather than after, it saves up the need to have to redo work already done.

Number 1 - A week rental seems really too short a period when there are lot of players who can only play weekends. To spend most of one's own weekend time in the game just to re-place and re-price one's own Inventory in Bazaar Vendors does not seem very exciting. There is other things one might be willing to do in Ultima Online....

Number 2 - Also the week that the stuff is held in the container after the week lease expires seems inappropriate because there CAN be real life emergencies of all sorts and it is easy to forget about the Bazaar Vendor's stuff being held in a contained for a week and see it gone "poof" when coming back to UO.

That's all I am saying, that I think those would work against players' enjoyment of the game rather than enhancing it.
 
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Argh
Never I have I seen so much wasted time and thought on speculative nothing.
Its akin to arguing with yourself over the arguement you had with yourself the week before.
 

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Argh
Never I have I seen so much wasted time and thought on speculative nothing.
Its akin to arguing with yourself over the arguement you had with yourself the week before.
It was a really really good argument, though.
Except it was quite possibly the worst argument in the history of arguments.
But that's only because you(I?) lost.
 

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I am sorry, I was not criticising anyone but merely saying, that should that be the way they will work, I find it to the disadvantage of players.
What this really says is. I (Popps) want one one these vendors but I(Popps) don't have the time in game to take care of it so EA/UO please give me one for free without a timer on it. Out of all the posts in this thread you(Popps) are the only one who thinks this is such a great idea.

Is it better to say it before they actually spend time on the thing or after which means going through it back again to re-work it ?
The work has already been done and now you(Popps) want them to redo it just because you(Popps) think it should be redone.

Maybe if you(Popps) spent less time on here being a board warrior and played UO more then just maybe people would take your advice/ideas with less grains of salt. I, me and myself find it very hard to accept your advice/ideas on how to improve a game that you(Popps) do not play. Stop being a board warrior and go play UO.
 
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RavenWinterHawk

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Prime (location) vending capabilities will become a crap concept only whenever the Developers will (finally) decide to give to Ultima Online a Vendors' Global Search System....

Until then, not all vendors are made equal, some are MORE equal than others and so their owners....... Now, THIS is the real crap, IMHO.
No Pops your wrong and lazy systems make a lazy player.

Go shop and youll find stuff.
When the global vendor comes along, I will be there to abuse the hell out of it.

Think about it.
You know not what you say or ask for.
 
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What this really says is. I (Popps) want one one these vendors but I(Popps) don't have the time in game to take care of it so EA/UO please give me one for free without a timer on it. Out of all the posts in this thread you(Popps) are the only one who thinks this is such a great idea.

The work has already been done and now you(Popps) want them to redo it just because you(Popps) think it should be redone.

Maybe if you(Popps) spent less time on here being a board warrior and played UO more then just maybe people would take your advice/ideas with less grains of salt. I, me and myself find it very hard to accept your advice/ideas on how to improve a game that you(Popps) do not play. Stop being a board warrior and go play UO.
Ah a breath of fresh air. I owe you a beer. Someone that can see clearly.
 

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The work has already been done and now you(Popps) want them to redo it just because you(Popps) think it should be redone.


Hmmm.....

They haven't even announced these as a feature yet, thus they are vaporware.
No one knows how they'll work, or even if they'll ever make it into the live game at all.
This is all based on sheer guesswork based on a few text strings in the cliloc files!

Even there, I don't believe there is any mention of 'bazaar'?

Hmm......... all the work has been done already, too late to discuss them.....

Hmmmmm.....

By the way, I thought it was said on these Forums that a better communication between Developers and Players would have made it for a better Ultima Online, ain't it ?

But if players have no clue of what is going on in the Devs' office and when they even try discuss something supposedly "in the works" they get yelled at because it is a waste of time talking of something that has not yet been announced, may I ask what is this idea of an "enhanced" comunication between Developers and Players ??

If an interaction between Developers and Players is to be seen as positive for the game, then I do not understand why when someone tries it about a given new (supposed) addition to the game, the discussing of it becomes then a problem.....
 

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When the global vendor comes along, I will be there to abuse the hell out of it.

Think about it.

I do not think that it could really be much exploited. Perhaps temporarily and occasionally, but not much long term.

Take re-selling for example, which is buy low and sell high.

Some might try to "buy out" certain items/resources for price gouging but that comes at a risk for the buyer. Unless the item is a finite spawn, if it is a respawning item/resource then chances are that players will keep hunting/gathering them and if the price keeps staying as low thanking to the Global vendors Search System, the hoarder will just sit on a mountain of these items that will stay unsold since their pricing will necessarily have to be higher than the purchasing one (unless they want to take a loss).

There is also the underselling tactics to drive someone out of business (Buy large stocks of items/resources and resell them at a lower price than competitors' taking a loss but with the goal of driving the competitor out of business...). But this can neither work since there is simply too many players in the game and even if one has a lot of gold to burn and they want to undersell and drive some competitors out of business, they cannot do this forever and in the end they will just loose a bunch of gold and when they end their underselling practices the competitors will resume their selling.

This is not the real world where a business requires investments and once a competitor goes out of business it is hard for them to come back. In Ultima Online, players can stop selling today and resume tomorrow at no cost.

So, personally, I cannot see reasons that might deter the implementation of a Vendors' Global Search System in Ultima Online. I think that much good can come from it and fair and true competition to help end the curse of the inflation in this game.
 
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RavenWinterHawk

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Nothing wrong with being lazy... if you admit your lazy.


Who like the guy at work that says they have a million things to do, has a million ideas to fix the problems... yet does nothing.

Lazy isnt good or bad... its a state.
 

Surgeries

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Anyway...you want to be a "Have"? Then become a "Have". The ONLY person holding you back AT ALL from that lofty objective...is you.

Well, depending how a "Have" might be defined (i.e. what the threashold may be...), I "might" be considered among the "Haves", I do not know.
I have my fair share of gold, artifacts, good housing, rares so, I am not in need for anything particular. I would have no problem to have vendors if I wanted to but my time nowadays in the game is limited and so I would have a hard time running after them.
Only the person willing and able to pay the price for that which they seek may have that which they seek. Another Universal Law. You can't have Something for Nothing...you can't have Freedom for Free.

I am discussing the issue with Bazaar vendors, like it or not, not because of personal reasons as often I am mistaken to post for, go figure why....., but because I genuinely think it would be the best and most proper thing to do for the game I play, Ultime Online.
Poor misunderstood Popps. Must be tough being you.

Remember...that is your Opinion. We all know that. You find it to be the genuine truth. I can appreciate that, but unless there is some sound logic, and some kind of proof that your opinion IS the truth, I am going to just run woith "Popp's Opinion".

I just do not see why yet another vending addition in the game should go to those players who least need it (because they already have plenty of vending capabilities in prime vending locations...) and deprive of it players who might most need it (because they do NOT have prime vending capabilties...).
Need and Desire can be wildly different Popps. There are millions of people that NEED food, clothing etc, but not all that NEED it DESIRE it enough to actually DO something about it.

I do not think the game needs to give some more to those who already have plenty of, I happen to be of the opinion that the right thing to do would be to make these Bazaar vendors available to those players who most need them which, as I see it, would be those players who do NOT have and have NOT had in the past months any prime vending capability.
The people that Have "Plenty of It" Earned the right to Have Plenty of It, Popps. I know I did. My message in my last post is this, and I will call it out quite plainly for you:

People Who REALLY Desire Prime Vendors and Who Are Willing to Work to have Prime Vendors Will Have Prime Vendors, as Long As They Never Quit Trying to Have Them.


The Right to own Prime Vendors is not a Privilege. It must be earned. Not everyone will want them. But, for those that have worked hard, and have the resources available should be able to have the right to own vendors if they want.

And for players that do not have the desire, and therefore do not want to pay the price (setting up their own vendors at their own house, renting a spot, etc.) should not just have the ability to have "something for nothing"...it devalues the something in a big way.

I hope I have some rights to be entitled to my opinion about the game I play and voice it up, right ?
Oh, you can voice your opinion all day.

Just know that when I see flaws in your logic, I will spare absolutely no expense in pointing the flaws out...repeatedly. For just exactly as long as it takes.

Try looking for ways that ANYONE can succeed in the game, without having the game redesigned or re engineered to make it happen.
Redesigned ? Re engineered ?

The Bazaar vendors are NOT in the game as of yet. For all we know, they might not even be on the planning board yet and not even be added to the game........

I am discussing them just bringing a different perspective, early on, so that "if" the Developers decide to spend their time on them, they may consider, for the better sake of Ultima Online, a different perspective like mine to make them available mainly to players who have not had and do not have prime vending capabilities.
I strongly disagree that anyone, particularly those that have worked hard and acquired in game wealth should be precluded from anything like the hypothetical vendors you speak of.

That would be like telling Donald Trump he can't buy a hotel he wants, because he has too many and is just too rich. I can just see his face when he is told that the hotel he wanted to buy is being donated to homeless people, or people making less than $25K a year or something.

If any player already has a Vendor House in Luna, Zento or Magincia or have vendors there anyways whether at friends' or at a Guild House, why on earth would they also want to have a Bazaar vendor when there may be other players needing them way more since they instead have no other access to prime location vendors as they have ??
Again...Need and Desire are very different. The player that already has vendors may or may not want the "Bazaar Vendors". One compelling reason they may want additional vendors is "New Markets". The vendor may be able to sell items at the new location that weren't selling at the current vendor house. That is one good reason. Market Share is something all merchants want,. and having more outlets, particularly outlets that may be new and different is always appealing to retailers. I doubt anyone with vendors "across the street" would open a "Bazaar Vendor" then, but in a completely different locale than where they currently have vendors? I am sure some would want this opportunity.

Any player that works hard enough will have the in game wealth to acquire whatever it is they want. The ones that don't will not. 98 out of every 100 people will retire on Social Security at best, while two will retire financially independent. This is a fact.

Not everyone wants to have vendors, and those that do want them bad enough can have them wherever they want to have them.

Of course you missed that point in the first post, so I felt the need to reiterate it again for your edification.

I mean, I just would find it absurd to perhaps see a player owning a House full of vendors across the road from wherever these Bazaar Vendors will be allocated (if they ever will be added to the game that is...), and see this player also have Bazaar Vendors there on top of all of the vendors this player might have in that House across the road from them...... And this, when there may be players in the game who have no prime vending capability in the game.
Anyone who wants prime vending capability can have that capability. Those that don't want it bad enough will never have it.

You seem to think the game needs to preclude people that have worked hard and have acquired in game wealth, in the hopes that someone that has not demonstrated enough desire to acquire in game wealth can have the chance to have the vendors they may or may not want.

Now THAT is an absolutely Absurd thought process. Absurd, fo shizzle.

I am sorry, but that is not something I could possibly agree with. Nothing to some players and too much to others ? No thanks.
Look around yourself, Popps. Look at the real life people in your community. It is no different in game than it is in your city. Those that don't have that which they "want" simply have not developed an intense desire to have that which they want.

ANYONE in UO that WANTS a thing may have that thing, if they Desire it strongly enough, and follow through with action until they get it.

Weak Desire Brings Weak Results.

Giving something to someone that has not earned it is a certain way for a thing to be squandered, as certain as the sun rises.

So...your "nothing to some players" is just the "Nothing" player demonstrating their lack of desire.

As soon as any player develops a burning desire to achieve a thing, and as long as they never quit trying, then that player can have what they choose.

I think you may want to teach new players how to develop a burning desire, instead of Gifting them with vendors they will not value as much as a player that has worked for their abilities and assets.

That is my opinion, Popps. But it is also the fervent opinion of a guy who spent 25 years of his life studying success and acquiring wealth, while interviewing over 25,000 people to do so. A guy named Napoleon Hill.

The book is called "Think and Grow Rich". Try it...you might like it!
 
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FishinFool

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Speaking as someone who was recently looking for what should be a fairly easy item to purchase... 4 hours, practically every vendor in luna examined and only 1 vendor was found.

It should not take this long or take this much effort to find something.. anything. The only way to do a search is through a proscribed website, which is not even allowed to be named here.. which btw, the site sucks as I have tried to use it in the past and is highly inaccurate.

You might think you will be able to abuse the market, but I assure you - many have tried and ruined themselves in other games. UO will be no different. You cannot corner a market with unlimited resources flowing into the economy.
 

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Silly idea, but we have this function in game 'general chat'. If you post in it 'Has anyone seen *item* for sale anywhere please? very often someone will answer with either a location where they've seen it or the offer to sell you the item.
 
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Yes fish you can corner it. It is done now.

Buy up Mon -Thurs and put out with runes Friday to Sunday.

Corner it, sell it. As more come out repeat. Go look a gems.


Surgeries... well put I owe you a beer also.


Just because you can find something right away, doesnt mean the world should be changed. It sucks.
 

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Erm Popps...unless I missed the election, you aren't the official spokesperson for new and returning players. You speak for yourself and only yourself. If you want something, just come out and say "I want this". Don't attribute it to some poor newbie who may not even know what Stratics is! Newbies/returners can speak for themselves. If you want to help newbies get what they want (as opposed to what you've decided they want), find them in game. Tell them to seek out the forums for UO and other fansites. Then you can post just as yourself. It's good manners to talk for yourself and let others use their own voice.

When folks are pretty much unanimously arguing back against you, perhaps your ideas aren't as good as you think they are.

In fact, if you really want to help less fortunate players, start and promote your own shop and only give free spots to those players. Or encourage them to take up some of the free vendor spots that are available in Luna. Because I don't see the devs changing plan to suit you when most folk here are disagreeing with you. No amount of copy/pasting and bold big letters will change that. But you could do something positive in game right now if you chose to.

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