Hey Devs, a question about BAZAAR Vendors....

[popps]

I have heard about these BAZAAR vendors.

I see it as a good thing but I have a question about the way you are planning to put these in....

Are you REALLY going to study and ingenuous and clever way to make sure that these will ONLY be available to those players who really need them (i.e. those who have no other vending ways at hand) or will they end up being obtained by those who already have either vendor houses in Luna, Tokuno or now Magincia or are part of Guilds who have these Houses and so make vendors available to their guildmembers?

Bottom line that I'd like to know, is whether you will go out of your way to MAKE SURE that really ONLY those players who need these vendors will have access to them, and not screw it up by making those players who already have a variety of means to have prime location vendors be accessable to them, be able to lay their hands also on the BAZAAR vendors.

Thank you.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

They haven't even announced these as a feature yet, thus they are vaporware. Expect no answers.

 

[silent]

I have heard about these BAZAAR vendors.

I see it as a good thing but I have a question about the way you are planning to put these in....

Are you REALLY going to study and ingenuous and clever way to make sure that these will ONLY be available to those players who really need them (i.e. those who have no other vending ways at hand) or will they end up being obtained by those who already have either vendor houses in Luna, Tokuno or now Magincia or are part of Guilds who have these Houses and so make vendors available to their guildmembers?

Bottom line that I'd like to know, is whether you will go out of your way to MAKE SURE that really ONLY those players who need these vendors will have access to them, and not screw it up by making those players who already have a variety of means to have prime location vendors be accessable to them, be able to lay their hands also on the BAZAAR vendors.

Thank you.

I own a house in Luna and pay the same if not more than some people each month to EA and should be allowed the same access as everyone else. I rented in Luna for a long time until I could buy a plot. I suggest you stop trying to pull people down to your level and pull yourself up, and stop pancakes.

 

[Cirno]

As I understand it, getting a prime vendor spot isn't particularly difficult for the average person.
All you would need to do is go into the shard trade forum and make a thread to say "I would like a vendor in Luna/Magincia/Zento", and see what offers come back.

Other options involve setting up your own vendors at your house, and leaving runes around the banks, or gating to it. Then selling city/dungeon runebooks that include a rune to your vendors can help maintain bpeople visiting.

If the "bazaar vendors" end up dominated by the "haves", then that is more gold out of the game, to win the vendors.
So whoever wins, everyone wins. If they don't go for the vendors, then the "have nots" can get them, and if they do... *fanfare* Goldsink!

 

[popps]

They haven't even announced these as a feature yet, thus they are vaporware. Expect no answers.

Fair enough but at least I'd like to have them thinking, if they really are going to work on Bazaar vendors, to find an ingenuous and clever way to make these vendors available ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY to those who have no other ways to have access to prime vending locations.

It would be sad to see them going yet again to those who already have access to vendors in any of the prime vending locations.

 

[Zayin666]

Perhaps instead of asking such an almost impossible task, why dont you try to come up with some ways this should be even remotely possible??

This is like asking the car designers:

"How do you plan to make sure that not under ANY circumstances will your new car be able to be driven by someone who will end up in an accident and kill someone??"

 

[Zayin666]

My next question... why?? Why should these vendors be limited to those players you describe?? Who are those players?? You??
What in your mind makes a player "worthy" of such a vendor?

 

[popps]

I own a house in Luna and pay the same if not more than some people each month to EA and should be allowed the same access as everyone else. I rented in Luna for a long time until I could buy a plot. I suggest you stop trying to pull people down to your level and pull yourself up, and stop pancakes.

This is not about pulling anyone up or down.

This is about making sure that the game is attractive to players who are new or returning and have therefore less means to enjoy from the game than those who are already established, are wealthy and perhaps even part of strong Guilds who provide extensive cover to their members.

This, of course, if we even want to "think" increasing the number of active subscriptions for Ultima Online......

Besides, I do not see why those who ALREADY have wide access to prime location vendors might need further access ALSO to BAZAAR Vendors.

Either on their own from having a prime location vending House, having vendors there from befriending the owners or being part of a Guild that provides vendors access to their members, the key issue is that several players ALREADY are well set with prime location vendors.

Therefore, they have WAY LESS need for further prime location vending abilities.

Instead, there is plenty of players out there lacking any real prime location vending ability.

BAZAAR Vendors should be tailored and aimed at THESE players. Those who lack them and most need them and NOT those who are already covered and quite well.

 

[Zayin666]

This is not about pulling anyone up or down.


BAZAAR Vendors should be tailored and aimed at THESE players. Those who lack them and most need them and NOT those who are already covered and quite well.

So when should you be stripped of the rights to your vendor?
When you sold for 1 million gold?? 100 million?

The logic behind this post would have worked well 30 years ago in the east

 

[popps]

As I understand it, getting a prime vendor spot isn't particularly difficult for the average person.
All you would need to do is go into the shard trade forum and make a thread to say "I would like a vendor in Luna/Magincia/Zento", and see what offers come back.

Other options involve setting up your own vendors at your house, and leaving runes around the banks, or gating to it. Then selling city/dungeon runebooks that include a rune to your vendors can help maintain bpeople visiting.

If the "bazaar vendors" end up dominated by the "haves", then that is more gold out of the game, to win the vendors.
So whoever wins, everyone wins. If they don't go for the vendors, then the "have nots" can get them, and if they do... *fanfare* Goldsink!

Uhu ?

The "Have nots" can only have access to the Bazaar Vendors if the "Haves" find no interest in them ?

The "Haves not" having to feed on the "Haves" left overs ? No thanks.

If at all, as I see it, it should be the other way around and the BAZAAR Vendors tailored and aimed at the "Haves not" and only if the "Haves not" do not cover them all, then be made available to the "Haves"....

The "Haves" already have, they do not need to have some more.....

The "Haves not" do not have and, therefore, need way more to be able to catch up with.

That's how I see it.

 

[popps]

So when should you be stripped of the rights to your vendor?
When you sold for 1 million gold?? 100 million?

The logic behind this post would have worked well 30 years ago in the east

This is a GAME, it relies on subscriptions which in turn rely on players wanting to actually play the game for an extended period.

I see your comment totally not appropriate.

In order to increase the subscriptions the game should aim to enhance those who struggle the most, not help out those who already thrive.

 

[Zayin666]

I see your comment totally not appropriate.

Noted! Sorry!

 

[Petra Fyde]

There is absolutely no official information on these. No one knows how they'll work, or even if they'll ever make it into the live game at all.
Can we please wait until these are something more than speculative rumour before you issue your instructions on how you require them to be implemented?

 

[Zosimus]

Um......ok. The game is not meant just for people that struggle. It's made for all. You make what you make by effort in the game. If a player can make more because they put more effort then some players well good for them. They shouldnt be faulted or penalized because some think they should. Its about effort and what makes them happy with how they play the game and their goals. So is it a crusade to punish a player for playing the game their way and they happen to be succesful and rich in the game? Very rediculous indeed.

 

[Cirno]

The "have nots" could have, though, as explained.
Indeed, since the "haves" already have, why would they need to use "bazaar vendors", which would likely cost more to maintain than their existing ones (assuming the bidding goes beyond "have not" affordability), and therefore cut into their profits?

Essentially, I think your position is well-meaning, but you aren't considering all the factors. In addition, you seem to be ignoring mitigating factors entirely.

Also, not really related, but could you explain "Uhu ?" to me?
It is something you say a lot, but I can't seem to place a solid meaning behind it.

 

[Woodsman]

If you read the vendor bazaar strings that were posted in the spoilers thread, it's on a weekly basis and if they have enough of them, it would be difficult to monopolize them, short of scripting.

I think the bigger vendors would just buy houses in New Magincia rather than fool with keeping an eye on vendor bazaar lotteries every week.

 

[Aran]

Out of curiosity, what do you feel new players or those without much financial means would have to sell on said special vendors that only they have access to that would make it worth the while of anyone to even bother with said vendors?

 

[popps]

My next question... why?? Why should these vendors be limited to those players you describe?? Who are those players?? You??
What in your mind makes a player "worthy" of such a vendor?

As I see it, these Bazaar vendors should be barred from those who own already have a vendor in any of the prime locations like Luna, Zento or Magincia.

They should be PER ACCOUNT/PER SHARD and simply be incompatible with the ownership of any other vendor in any of the mentioned prime vending locations.

Sorry, cannot have both but only either one.

They would be account bound and not be transferrable to other accounts.

This said, the accounts eligible at first to get such a Bazaar vendor should be the accounts who have not owned a vendor in any of the mentioned prime locations for, say, the past year or so (active account time). If, after this roll there will still be Bazaar vendors available, then the next wave will be among those who did not have a vendor in the mentioned prime locations for the past 6 months. Then 3 months and the last roll open to everyone else.

Special cases.
Those who have not had a vendor in any of the prime locations for the past 3 years (active account time) should receive highest privilege to get a Bazaar Vendor.

These Bazaar vendors, being 1 per account, should allow for a number greater than 125 items to be held up for sale. Not sure how many items would be OK but I guess a high enough number that would be possible.

They should not be more expensive to run than other vendors. I am thinking of this system for "Haves Not" to catch up with the "Haves" so, taxing them excessively would not be the proper way to actually help them to catch up.......

Bazaar vendors should not be forever but for a limited time term. Say 6 months or 1 year time ?

Past that time there would be a rotation to allow those who did not have them (Iimagine their number will be limited and so not enough to accomodate all wanting players....) to also be able to have them. The rules would be always the same to make sure that these vendors go first to those who do not have alternatives to prime location vendors.

That's how I see it.

 

[popps]

Out of curiosity, what do you feel new players or those without much financial means would have to sell on said special vendors that only they have access to that would make it worth the while of anyone to even bother with said vendors?

Resources that wealthy players do not want to bother with ? Perhaps ?

Items that they might find at IDOCs ? Anything else they may be pleased to sell ?

Why you even care what they may want to sell ?

What if they want to have fun selling plants and flowers on their Bazaar vendor ??

This is a game to be played for fun and not to become the top billionaire.....

Are you trying to tell us that there is nothing that new or returning players could have to sell that would be of any interest to the wealthy and uber developed players to buy ?

If that is the case, perhaps you hit the nail on the head as in regards to why Ultima Online might not be appealing to new or returning players and why perhaps the game is so struggling as in regards to active subscriptions ?

Maybe the Developers should really start asking themselves whether it really is in the best interest of the game that new additions keep catering wealthy and uber developed players rather than aim at those players who need to cover tha GAP with existing and well developed players.........

 

[popps]

If you read the vendor bazaar strings that were posted in the spoilers thread, it's on a weekly basis and if they have enough of them, it would be difficult to monopolize them, short of scripting.

I think the bigger vendors would just buy houses in New Magincia rather than fool with keeping an eye on vendor bazaar lotteries every week.

You mean players will need to empty out the Bazaar vendors of their entire inventories on a weekly basis if they did not get to hire them week after week ?

That would be MOST annoying to have to empty out Bazaar vendors weekly of tgheir entire inventory and have to reprice each and every item every 7 days, accordingly.

This is a game intended for entertainment and not to have to run annoying and time consuming chores.

I cannot believe that Bazaar vendors might be planned in a way that could end up being so annoying and time consuming.

 

[Petra Fyde]

This is all based on sheer guesswork based on a few text strings in the cliloc files!

Even there, I don't believe there is any mention of 'bazaar'?

 

[popps]

Also, not really related, but could you explain "Uhu ?" to me?
It is something you say a lot, but I can't seem to place a solid meaning behind it.

Simply an expression of surprise. Like "really" or "what are you talking about" ?

A way to express astonishment, if you will.

 

[Zayin666]

This is all based on sheer guesswork

You sound surprised??

 

[popps]

This is all based on sheer guesswork based on a few text strings in the cliloc files!

Even there, I don't believe there is any mention of 'bazaar'?

That is true, but since I have seen references in other posts to them as "Bazaar vendors" I thought it as a quick way to indicate them for faster comprehension of what I might be talking about.

I think they would be a good addition to the game and infact, I have been advocating town vendors in markets for a long time, but it all depends on "how" they will be put in and to the favour of which players.

I just do not see it as fit that they might end up in the hands of those players who already have wide access, one way or the other (i.e. personally, through friends or their Guilds), to prime location vendors.

If these new type of vendors are ever added to the game, I think they should be primely aimed at those accounts who do NOT have had prime access to vendors at the known prime vendor locations in the game.

They should be an opportunity offered to those lacking prime vending access and not just a tool to drain gold from the game in the hands of those who already have plenty of prime location vendors.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Not surprised, more impatient with the determination to make mountains out of molehills and storms in teacups if I'm honest.

 

[Woodsman]

You mean players will need to empty out the Bazaar vendors of their entire inventories on a weekly basis if they did not get to hire them week after week

The inventories go into a crate which goes into the "New Magincia Warehouse" and you have a week. Again, not something a lot of the big boys want to deal with.

Here's the new description of New Magincia (from UOJournal.com):

New Magincia lies on the spot of what once was fairly small island town known for the incredible wealth that it derived from the sea and from the practice of the magical arts. The city itself was beautiful to behold, with golden streets and majestic architecture. Destroyed by daemons and later rebuilt, now New Magincia is famed for its lush gardens and the New Magincia Bazaar.

For those who seek to begin a career in Magincia, however, the city does offer guilds for fishermen and seafarers. Since its destruction and rebuilding, little in the way of danger ever finds its way here, but the moongate does offer abundant danger on its other side.

For the visitor, the town’s most impressive sites are its Public Gardens and the New Magincia Bazaar.

Should an adventurer join the ranks of Magincia’s elite and purchase a ship, the docks to the south of the city offer access to the many other islands nearby.

Amenities: Bank, Inn, Shipwright, Tavern

You lost the bid to extend your lease on Stall ~1_STALLNAME~ at the ~2_FACET~ New Magincia Bazaar. You do not have a match bid in escrow at the bazaar. Your hired merchant, if any, has deposited your proceeds and remaining inventory at the Warehouse in New Magincia. You must retrieve these within one week or they will be destroyed.

Also Nexus pulled stuff out in a previous client:

Leasing a Magincia Bazaar stall requires purchase of the [Booster Name Here]. Stalls are leased for a period of 7 days.

At the time a stall becomes available, the highest bid for that specific stall, or the highest bid for the first available stall (whichever is higher) wins the lease for that stall immediately.

The funds for the winning bid are taken up front and there are no refunds.

Bazaar stall lease winners will be notified immediately if logged in, or at next login.

Each person may have one active bid (per account, not per character) at a time.

Anyone may place, retract, or adjust a bid for a stall lease at any time.

Funds for bids are held in reserve.

Bids may only be funded from checks and gold in the character’s bank box, and all returned bids are delivered to the claimant’s bank box.

If a person is currently leasing a bazaar stall, that person may bid on another stall.

If that person wins a new stall lease, the current lease is abandoned with no refund and the contents of the old stall are relocated to the new one.

The current high bid on the abandoned stall immediately wins, beginning a new 7-day lease.

Anyone leasing a stall may place a hidden “match bid” to retain that stall.

At the time of lease expiration, if the current highest bid for that stall is equal to or less than the match bid, the match bid wins the auction at the highest bid price and the current lease is extended for another 7 days.

The current renter may abandon a stall lease at any time but will not receive a refund.

Auction end times are always reported as approximations, and an auction reported as “Up To 6 Hours” may end at any moment.

In the case that a stall has no current lease and no bids, the stall’s lease will remain at auction for 12 to 24 hours.

It's part of the next mini-booster pack - the uojournal link above has links to the pics of the new housing tiles.

 

[Woodsman]

I just do not see it as fit that they might end up in the hands of those players who already have wide access, one way or the other (i.e. personally, through friends or their Guilds), to prime location vendors.

If these new type of vendors are ever added to the game, I think they should be primely aimed at those accounts who do NOT have had prime access to vendors at the known prime vendor locations in the game.

The power players or major players probably won't want to fool with something that they are going to have to micro-manage, especially those who are gold sellers and/or into scripting. This is going to require a lot of manual intervention and the major players are just going to buy the houses around the vendor bazaar and run their vendors on auto-pilot rather than screw with something that requires intervention like the bazaar will.

 

[popps]

Not surprised, more impatient with the determination to make mountains out of molehills and storms in teacups if I'm honest.

Well, especially in this case this would be the best time to bring the issue up.

If the Developers are still on the drawing board about them, THIS is the proper time to address the issue from a different perspective to try influence their thinking to view the matter under a different angle.

If the "Bazaar" Vendors had already been designed, coded and under testing, it would perhaps be too late to help influence things in a way different to what it had been already designed and coded.

If, instead, things are still being considered, in my view this it the most proper time to bring the issue up so as to invite the developers to consider other angles of viewing the issue rather than what they may be thinking.

Of course, the final decision is up to them but I happen to think that bringing up issues "early on" might actually be of more help than when everythying has already been decided and set in stone.......

So, in short, I happen to think that it actually might be good to make "mountains out of molehills and storms in teacups" when this may help changing the direction of a planned addition to the game to a better one.

 

[Petra Fyde]

How can you know that your direction is 'better' when you have absolutely no idea what the planned direction is?

 

[Woodsman]

So, in short, I happen to think that it actually might be good to make "mountains out of molehills and storms in teacups" when this may help changing the direction of a planned addition to the game to a better one.

We don't even know when the next booster will be, which the bazaar and new house tiles are supposed to be a part of.

How much input did players have on High Seas from when it was announced/leaked through client strings to when it was published?

 

[popps]

I just do not see it as fit that they might end up in the hands of those players who already have wide access, one way or the other (i.e. personally, through friends or their Guilds), to prime location vendors.

If these new type of vendors are ever added to the game, I think they should be primely aimed at those accounts who do NOT have had prime access to vendors at the known prime vendor locations in the game.

The power players or major players probably won't want to fool with something that they are going to have to micro-manage, especially those who are gold sellers and/or into scripting. This is going to require a lot of manual intervention and the major players are just going to buy the houses around the vendor bazaar and run their vendors on auto-pilot rather than screw with something that requires intervention like the bazaar will.

Well, if the Bazaar vendors will be designed in a way that is not interesting for the power players or major players that is a very good thing.

What I do not like is :

A - The week time which sounds way too short in a game supposed to be for the entertainment of the player. It makes it more a chore than a fun activity.

B - The bidding system which could end up making these new vendors only worth their cost (i.e. justify higher, winning bids...) to players who have high end, expensive items to sell through them.

I think B could be a problem for casual players who already do not have access to prime location vendors. Not having high end items that might justify high bids, they might end up not getting also the Bazaar vendors who will inevitably end up to be used yet again by the the power players or major players..............

So, I think A and B should be thinked again and changed differently so as to make sure that the bazaar Vendors are fun and not a chore and that they could be used by players who are not power players or major players. But in order for this to happen, they should not go to the highest bidders but be assigned via a different criteria.

 

[Heimi]

Where did he even hear about these BAZAAR vendors? I think for once popps knows something that other people don't

 

[Thunderz]

Why the hell shouldnt i have access to these new vendors just because im not a freeking skin flin and i pay 250k a week to rent one in luna and then pay 1mill a day in vendor costs?

Im damn sure im more entitled than you poops to one of those vendors [the game takes 1 mill a day out of me per vendor (gold sink!!!),

You never end to amase me with your down grading of everyone who isnt as usless and poor as you.

Stop being gay and pay to rent a damn luna vendor if you got **** to sel,l if you wana sell junk for 2000gp then im not surprised you cant afford a luna vendor.

I pay the same as you to EA every month [or more as im in UK and they dont change the price to refect the currency conversion].

LOL

LOL

LOL

Thunderz

 

[popps]

How can you know that your direction is 'better' when you have absolutely no idea what the planned direction is?

Well, I "assume" that the best direction is that which aims at increasing the number of subscriptions "long term" and I happen to think that the most proper way to get this done, is NOT tolerating cheaters or pleasing wealthy and uber developed players but rather tending at those new or returning players who find interest in Ultima Online but are deterred from the large GAP they feel is in between them and the power gamers.....

Also, since most returning players are players who now have less time to play UO than they had back in the years (supposedly, now they have jobs, families and all that), this means that the goal of the Developers, to help subscriptions up, should be that to shape the game into a way that is more fit for the casual player rather than the power gamer.

This means, hitting hard on cheaters and scripters so that whatever little time the casual gamer can spend in UO will hold its value. Otherwise, cheaters and scripters will make it worthless for casual gamers and this will make it pointless for them, chances are, to stay with UO for more than a trial period.

 

[Thunderz]

Well, I "assume" that the best direction is that which aims at increasing the number of subscriptions "long term" and I happen to think that the most proper way to get this done, is NOT tolerating cheaters or pleasing wealthy and uber developed players but rather tending at those new or returning players who find interest in Ultima Online but are deterred from the large GAP they feel is in between them and the power gamers.....

Also, since most returning players are players who now have less time to play UO than they had back in the years (supposedly, now they have jobs, families and all that), this means that the goal of the Developers, to help subscriptions up, should be that to shape the game into a way that is more fit for the casual player rather than the power gamer.

This means, hitting hard on cheaters and scripters so that whatever little time the casual gamer can spend in UO will hold its value. Otherwise, cheaters and scripters will make it worthless for casual gamers and this will make it pointless for them, chances are, to stay with UO for more than a trial period.

Tell us what you plan on selling and what in the world new players would have to sell that would make them so "worthy" of these vendors??

Against what people actually want to buy and do just fine buying it in luna.........

People script because what they script for is in high demand so it sells, simple supply and demand. If people didnt want turquoise gems to make that sik ring worth 40mill then scripters wouldnt script, but people do want it so they gona find a way todo it so it pays there RL morgage why they sit there all day selling gold!


Thunderz

 

[popps]

Why the hell shouldnt i have access to these new vendors just because im not a freeking skin flin and i pay 250k a week to rent one in luna and then pay 1mill a day in vendor costs?

Im damn sure im more entitled than you poops to one of those vendors [the game takes 1 mill a day out of me per vendor (gold sink!!!),

You never end to amase me with your down grading of everyone who isnt as usless and poor as you.

Stop being gay and pay to rent a damn luna vendor if you got **** to sel,l if you wana sell junk for 2000gp then im not surprised you cant afford a luna vendor.

I pay the same as you to EA every month [or more as im in UK and they dont change the price to refect the currency conversion].

LOL

LOL

LOL

Thunderz

Your post just provided me, and I hope to the Developers as well, a plain and solid example why this game needs by all means a VENDORS' GLOBAL SEARCH System. And the sooner the better...........

This is a GAME intended for entertainment and players should be entitled to sell 2,000 gp items as they see fit and not see their vending efforts undermined by not having access to prime vending locations.

You are right, you pay the same amount to EA every month as all other players do.

This is precisely why ALL houses, regardless whether they may be located in Luna, Zento, Magincia or in some wood in the corner of nowhere, should have SAME, EQUAL and UNDIFFERENTIATED vending capabilities.

Only a VENDORS' GLOBAL SEARCH System will ensure this.

The sooner it comes, the better it will be for Ultima Online.

 

[Lord Frodo]

How can you know that your direction is 'better' when you have absolutely no idea what the planned direction is?

But but but its Popps. And one of Popps best statrments.

ppps

Again, "what" is so broken, precisely, to require immediate attention and priority over other issues ?

So because Popps says so then this requires immediate attention and priority over other issues.

 

[popps]

So because Popps says so then this requires immediate attention and priority over other issues.

Did I say anywhere that this was a matter of the outmost urgency ?

I do not think so...........
Try read my posts in this thread again.

I just happen to have wanted to bring in a different perspective on this one issue while this new possible addition is still in the development stage. That is, when it can actually still be thought over, modified, changed than whatever other way it was planned to.

I am not saying my point of view is necessarily better, of course I think it is, but in relative terms, not absolute. I just am bringing up my views in the hope that my reasons make sense to the Developers also and that they might see WHY I think my point of view is better for the game.

You see, while others think about this or that set of players, I set my thinking for Ultima Online, the game itself, as if it was a living entity.
I think what should be the best way to handle issues for THE GAME, not the players, and LONG TERM, not short term, and then I go from there. If the game might benefit from siding with certain types of players rather than others, then I go with those players and against the others. But all aimed at the goal of what I see as best for Ultima Online and to ensure it a life as long as possible.

Catering for cheaters and powergamers (or gold sellers) I happen to think is NOT the best way for Ultima Online, long term. I might well be wrong in my thinking, nonetheless I think I have all rights, as a players of Ultima Online and active subscriber,to voice my opinion WITHOUT being bashed for it.

Especially, since I never bash others' opinions about this game even when they differ from mine. It is called mutual respect and while I have respect for others' opinions even when they differ from mine, often on these boards I see MUCH lack of respect for my differing opinions.

 

[Luvmylace]

There are many of us who don't charge .My vendors have always been rent free from day .Do a little asking around and you will find that I will give anyone who needs to make some gold a free vendor on any of my three houses .Since I have the library in Luna that is also open for vendors .You sir ,seem to be pushing for something that would bring down the game since so many people love to vendor,

 

[popps]

There are many of us who don't charge .My vendors have always been rent free from day .Do a little asking around and you will find that I will give anyone who needs to make some gold a free vendor on any of my three houses .Since I have the library in Luna that is also open for vendors .You sir ,seem to be pushing for something that would bring down the game since so many people love to vendor,

Bring down the game ??

How can it EVER bring down the game to offer Bazaar vendors only to those accounts who do not have them rather than those who ALREADY have them ??

This is inexplicable to me.

I mean, you yourself mention about having THREE vendor houses. All 3 in Luna ? One or two in Luna or Zento and the other elsewhere ? Whatever.

As an example, you seem to have already PLENTY of vending capabilities not to need the Bazaar vendors AT ALL. Other players, instead, not having ANY vendor capability in a prime location, would need a Bazaar Vendor way, but WAY more than you do.

Would you see it more fit that this new addition went tho those players (accounts) who are most in need of it or to those who already have plenty ??

Offering the Bazaar Vendors primely to players (accounts) not benefitting of vendors at any prime vending location would actually EXPAND vending to OTHER players who so far have been cut out from it because they did not have access to any prime vending location.

That is, it would bring in MORE actors into the vending arena thus bringing in more competition which helps bring prices down.

I happen to think that giving vendors in prime locations to all of the same players who already have vendors in prime locations is not good for the game as it strenghtens monopolies which make it for raised inflation.

The Developers cannot bring up threads about the economy and then not do serious moves to increase competition and thus fight inflation in the game.

Personally, I happen to think that the Developers would best serve the game if they made them available as first option to those who actually have not, and have not been using for months any vendor at any prime vending location.

I am not necessarily saying that my point of view is the most correct one in absolute terms, but nonetheless I need to voice my differing opinion up to the Developers because this is what I think is best for the game, long term.

In short, you say it would bring the game down while I say it would actually raise the game UP.

 

[Woodsman]

People in Luna and Zento are benefiting from illegal scripters who drive the search sites (and probably New Magincia soon). Most people running vendors out of those areas are probably very honest people, however they still benefit from the illegal search sites.

That is a problem that needs to be dealt with. EA can shut down the scripting accounts that keep those sites current, or they can offer a system where everybody has their vendors searched, or preferably both. I don't know why they can't stop those scripting sites, since those scripting accounts are doing loops through Luna/Zento pretty frequently and it shouldn't be hard to spot them, but that's neither here nor there.

What is here, is an imbalance. What Supreem mentioned a few years back was making sure that they don't kill off the value of player housing, so obviously an auction house or a vendor search system that lets you buy directly without visiting a house is not going to work. However a vendor search system that points you to a vendor could work.

Players from other games are going to expect such a system as well, that's just the way it is in 2011, but something does need to be done - either get rid of the scripting accounts that power those websites or give everybody an equal shot.

 

[Thunderz]

Bring down the game ??

How can it EVER bring down the game to offer Bazaar vendors only to those accounts who do not have them rather than those who ALREADY have them ??

This is inexplicable to me.

I mean, you yourself mention about having THREE vendor houses. All 3 in Luna ? One or two in Luna or Zento and the other elsewhere ? Whatever.

As an example, you seem to have already PLENTY of vending capabilities not to need the Bazaar vendors AT ALL. Other players, instead, not having ANY vendor capability in a prime location, would need a Bazaar Vendor way, but WAY more than you do.

Would you see it more fit that this new addition went tho those players (accounts) who are most in need of it or to those who already have plenty ??

Offering the Bazaar Vendors primely to players (accounts) not benefitting of vendors at any prime vending location would actually EXPAND vending to OTHER players who so far have been cut out from it because they did not have access to any prime vending location.

That is, it would bring in MORE actors into the vending arena thus bringing in more competition which helps bring prices down.

I happen to think that giving vendors in prime locations to all of the same players who already have vendors in prime locations is not good for the game as it strenghtens monopolies which make it for raised inflation.

The Developers cannot bring up threads about the economy and then not do serious moves to increase competition and thus fight inflation in the game.

Personally, I happen to think that the Developers would best serve the game if they made them available as first option to those who actually have not, and have not been using for months any vendor at any prime vending location.

I am not necessarily saying that my point of view is the most correct one in absolute terms, but nonetheless I need to voice my differing opinion up to the Developers because this is what I think is best for the game, long term.

In short, you say it would bring the game down while I say it would actually raise the game UP.

Poops, did you not read her post........?

She said she gives luna vendors for FREE free, do you need me to get a dictonary out and explain to you what FREE means, you have access to free vendors in prime locations.#


Shut up and get back in your hole....

Your arguing for something that is already at your door just to argue as you love arguing your point even if it inert.....


Thunderz

 

[Fat Midnight]

Catering for cheaters and powergamers (or gold sellers) I happen to think is NOT the best way for Ultima Online, long term. I might well be wrong in my thinking, nonetheless I think I have all rights, as a players of Ultima Online and active subscriber,to voice my opinion WITHOUT being bashed for it.

Ultima Online does not cater to any single group of players. You have just as much a chance to prosper as everyone else. One thing people fail to realize is that scripting to farm resources isnt very profitable anymore. There just isnt enough people to buy millions and millions of ingots and lumber etc.

Especially, since I never bash others' opinions about this game even when they differ from mine. It is called mutual respect and while I have respect for others' opinions even when they differ from mine, often on these boards I see MUCH lack of respect for my differing opinions.

You have 500+ threads you have created just to complain about some part of UO. It appears you don`t like anything about this game. Perhaps if you were not constantly negative about every single subject UO related, you might get some better responses.

 

[popps]

People in Luna and Zento are benefiting from illegal scripters who drive the search sites (and probably New Magincia soon). Most people running vendors out of those areas are probably very honest people, however they still benefit from the illegal search sites.

That is a problem that needs to be dealt with. EA can shut down the scripting accounts that keep those sites current, or they can offer a system where everybody has their vendors searched, or preferably both. I don't know why they can't stop those scripting sites, since those scripting accounts are doing loops through Luna/Zento pretty frequently and it shouldn't be hard to spot them, but that's neither here nor there.

It is beyond me why the developers keep tolerating cheating in Ultima Online.

I do find it offensive though, towards all those players who do not cheat to play the game, as well as hurting for the game itself, as it may drive away from UO more players than it may keep with the game.......

The official UO policy states it as illegal and a bannable offense and yet, as you say, every day scripters walk the game and yet nothing happens to those accounts....

Didin't someone in a recent thread quote a Developer as saying "Don't worry about scripters......." ?? I heard something similar to this like about a year ago, from some other Developer, and also heard a reference to some Spreadsheet.
A whole lot of months has gone by and we are still here watching scripters walk the land and the towns of Sosaria, daily. Shows to me that nothing happened to the scripters' UO accounts.......

Personally, I do not think this as serious to have an official Policy that declares it illegal but then not do much of what it takes to cleanse the game for good of this cheating. Especially, when this has been going on for years.........

What is here, is an imbalance. What Supreem mentioned a few years back was making sure that they don't kill off the value of player housing, so obviously an auction house or a vendor search system that lets you buy directly without visiting a house is not going to work. However a vendor search system that points you to a vendor could work.

When I talk about a VENDORS' GLOBAL SEARCH System I am not talking about a system that brings items to the buyer's doorsteps, I am talking of a system that has the global inventories of all vendors, wherever they might be located, it would show their inventories, their prices and the location of the vendor. It will still be the buyer who will need to go to the vendors location to finalize the purchase.

Players from other games are going to expect such a system as well, that's just the way it is in 2011, but something does need to be done - either get rid of the scripting accounts that power those websites or give everybody an equal shot.

That is my point in this discussion but I keep seeing the Developers stay silent on it.

A Vendors' Global Search System can be a very usefull tool to raise competition in this game up to a higher level and thus help fight inflation in the game more effectively.
Yet, the Developers prompt for threads on the economy but stay silent on such a sensitive and important (and much needed, IMHO) Vendors' Global Search System for Ultima Online.

I would really like to know what the Developers want to do about this and whether we will finally have it in the game or not.

 

[popps]

Poops, did you not read her post........?

She said she gives luna vendors for FREE free, do you need me to get a dictonary out and explain to you what FREE means, you have access to free vendors in prime locations.#

Shut up and get back in your hole....

Your arguing for something that is already at your door just to argue as you love arguing your point even if it inert.....

Thunderz

That there may be ONE player here and there offering "some" vendor spot for free is NOT something which those in charge with designing and running the game should consider when planning, designing and coding changes for the game.

A good hearted player can change up his/her mind, they can stop playing, they can sell their vendor house to a player with a different mindset, whatever.

Developers in charge of deciding what is most right for the game need to make their plans, their design regardless from these occasional and unpredictable occurrancies.

The bottom line correct thing to do, as I see it, is a permanent system for these Bazaar Vendors that assigns them with the highest priority to all those players who have had none or less vending capability at prime vending locations.

It makes no sense whatsoever to me to give them to those who already have plenty of vending capabilities at prime vending locations be them because they own a house there, they are befriended to players who are, or are part of Guilds providing them to their guildmembers.

These Bazaar Vendors should be made available to those players who do NOT have prime vending location capabilities and have not been having them for the past several months to avoid work arounds of players discontinuing their current vendors to grab Bazaar Vendors.

Bottom line is, the Developers should play this well and avoid being outsmarted by players who have been so far using vendors at prime vending locations but will discontinue them in order to qualify for a Bazaar Vendor.

Keep track of all the vendors being used and store the data to use them later on, whenever Bazaar vendors will be made available, to make them NOT ACCESSABLE to all those players who, one way or another, have had access in the past to prime vending capabilities.

 

[popps]

You have 500+ threads you have created just to complain about some part of UO. It appears you don`t like anything about this game. Perhaps if you were not constantly negative about every single subject UO related, you might get some better responses.

I happen to think that in order to aim for improvement it is first necessary to spot and discuss problems that one might see. Since I wish Ultima Online a long life, when I see issues worthy of being bettered I feel the need to voice my opinion in the hope that the game might be bettered.

I am open to debating and discussing differing views about the game but as I always maintain my arguments well mannered and respectfull of others I expect others to be as respectfull of mine even if my opinions about the game might be differing to theirs.

This is how I was educated to discuss my arguments and I do not see why discussing about a game like Ultima Online is, should be any different.

 

[Aran]

I've spotted a problem...

 

[Kiminality]

I am open to debating and discussing differing views about the game but as I always maintain my arguments well mannered and respectfull of others I expect others to be as respectfull of mine even if my opinions about the game might be differing to theirs.

Always...

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

The word you're looking for is "rarely".
You are, honestly, one of the least respectful people I've ever known - in no small part because of your stubborn insistence that you are in fact respectful, and therefore bear no responsibility for the hostility you attract in your threads.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

I have heard about these BAZAAR vendors.

I see it as a good thing but I have a question about the way you are planning to put these in....

Are you REALLY going to study and ingenuous and clever way to make sure that these will ONLY be available to those players who really need them (i.e. those who have no other vending ways at hand) or will they end up being obtained by those who already have either vendor houses in Luna, Tokuno or now Magincia or are part of Guilds who have these Houses and so make vendors available to their guildmembers?

Bottom line that I'd like to know, is whether you will go out of your way to MAKE SURE that really ONLY those players who need these vendors will have access to them, and not screw it up by making those players who already have a variety of means to have prime location vendors be accessable to them, be able to lay their hands also on the BAZAAR vendors.

Thank you.

We all need them equally. Who are you to judge.

Thought I like the idea.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Always...

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

The word you're looking for is "rarely".
You are, honestly, one of the least respectful people I've ever known - in no small part because of your stubborn insistence that you are in fact respectful, and therefore bear no responsibility for the hostility you attract in your threads.