hehe, burning scripting tamers one at a time (pic) (UPDATED PICS!!)

[Wenchkin]

Right, they're the RL losers because they don't have hundreds of hours to spend clicking and pointing just so they can begin to enjoy the game.

LOL!

Advanced chars and skill items were created for people who think like you, and want a powerful char but CBA actually training it up. If you don't want to train, buy token + items and off you go. How hard is that to understand? If folks cheat on their taming gains it's not because they're pushed in that direction by the gains system, it's because they're cheats. Legal options are there and not taken, because those players would rather cheat it out. And heaven forbid anyone interupts their little gain bot as it works. Tamer cheats don't deserve any sympathy and their excuses are a joke at best.

Don't use attempted arguments like "I'm too smart to click with a mouse" to justify straight, simple cheating. Players don't have to cheat taming, they choose whether to do so. Just like they could choose to play an easier template if taming is so "hard".

Wenchy

 

[Shinobi]

I personally have nothing against afk macroers. As a thief, they're like a surprise treat for me. You get to decide what to do with them when you find them...it's fun haha.

But me personally? I'm having people page on me constantly because their item "disappeared". I feel as if I'm constantly being watched by the GMs haha. I refuse to use cheats or exploits because I feel as if the GMs are waiting for the perfect opportunity to ban me lol.

I've played this game for over 6 years. I am too lazy to work chars. So after 6 years, how many actual chars do I have? Two.

For probably 3 years I was strictly a thief. No other chars I'd play...just my thief. Hell, it took me probably 2 years to GM snooping, one of the easiest skills in UO. I trained stealing to 68, then could join the Thief NPC Guild, so I stopped training and started stealing from players. Eventually stole the pieces to make a +50 steal set. The rest of my skills went up as I played.

One day I decided I was bored and wanted to "hit stuff". I made a dexer named Biznatch, which later the GMs made me rename because it was "offensive"...so now he's A Piece Of Mind. That is the only other char I managed to finish.

Recently I decided to make Shinobi into a Tamer Thief. Me? Train? No thanks. I got plenty of gold from stealing, so I bought my way up the taming ladder:

Advanced Char Token - 10mil...85 tame/lore

Blessable Birds of Brit Tally - 10mil...90 tame/lore

Tame/Lore Mark of Trav - 37mil (I got good bargaining skills, they were goin for 60-70mil at the time)...100 tame/lore

God of ALL Tamer Thief Rings:
13 healing/15 animal taming/15 stealing/13 hci/22 dam inc - 12mil (wouldn't sell it for 300mil haha, I loves it)...115 tame/100 lore

WTF...I gotta TRAIN 15 lore? Fine but I take the easy route. I bought a bunch of lore alacrity scrolls the rest of the way to 115 haha (was actually from 85 real - 100 real). So it didn't take long to train at all.

So yeah...2 chars in 6 years, and I'm havin a blast. So let them macro, more fun for us when we happen to trip over them on our adventures.

P.S. Sorry for the life story lol. I'm on my cell phone's internet stuck in 2 mph traffic on interstate, on a longggg bridge. I gotta **** so bad, needed something to take my mind off of my bladder.

 

[Kazumi the Wild]

What do you consider the best pets? The one's that take the highest difficulty to tame and control? Greater Dragons? Cu Sidhe? I'll tell you now neither is a really good pet they both have serious down sides.......

A Kitsune and a Rune Beetle will out preform both of them in most situations. And neither requires GM Taming.

My apologies, I should have used the term "high-end" pets instead of "best", since best can be an aspect of a player's style, the task he wants to perform, or both. Bake + Beetle are an exceedingly powerful combination, and if you're on top things, can deal with most enemies more efficiently, though at arguably greater risk.

That said... Don't Rune Beetles have an anger cycle? And how does that affect the actual content of that paragraph, which made the point that the way you "train" taming gives you appreciable PLAYER skill difference when it comes to taming the pets worth taming?

Unless you think that taming 1000 polar bears, great harts, white wolves, etc. actually help you, the PLAYER, tame a cu sidhe, a greater, a rune beetle, or even a bake, my point still stands.

 

[The Home Guild]

why you should never UM in town.

cause ya never know when a smart ass is gonna come along and do stuff to ya.

found this fella at the skara stable taming horses.
very obviouslly running a cheat program.
was walking the same pattern.
horse would spawn, he would B line to it, tame, rename the same name, then release and kill it.

watched him (right beside him) for a while while i was checking my pets in stable to see if any needed to go do some training.

then finally i beat him to taming the horse and set it to follow him and i left to go hunting for a couple hours.

You're quite the cool guy.
I don't approve of people using scripts however why do people find the need to worry about someone else's game play than your own? Then come on the boards and post screen shots of how cool you were to point this player out.
You could have removed his name and just made him an example.

I don't mean to sound bashing,however i'm sure there is more to Uo than trying to gain friendship on the boards on in game over a guy.

just my 2 cents.

 

[Melissa Rohan]

Surely an easy solution to ALL scripters would be to have a front end program that monitors log ins on characters or accounts and totals the time on each shard per day. Anyone that puts in more than maybe , what 6 ? hours per day, give them a look up via a GM and see if they are running a scripting program. That shouldn't take long to check surely. I know GM's can be invisible and monitor where players go and what they do, all they need is a little help surely. A program like that should reduce the need for people to page on them then.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

You are aware how irrelevant "working" the taming skill really is when to comes to actually playing a tamer, both in taming the best pets (most of which have an anger cycle) and in actually using said pets to fight monsters, right?




I, personally, have never macrod taming unattended. That said... If I didn't feel the risk was as high as I believe it to be (even though people have such trouble reporting others to any lasting effect) I might use it myself.

Look, I've worked a tamer up to the mid 100s. Its a grind. Its boring. ITS INCREDIBLY BORING. And its horrible doing that all over again - just getting my tamer from 50 to 79 has been horrendous and makes me never want to finish that ****ing character, because its HOURS and HOURS of horrendously boring work. If I ever finish (or come even close to finishing) this other tamer, that WILL be the last. I swear, every tamer I do pushes arthritis in my hands closer by a few years.

Its no skin off my teeth if another player got to 120 taming by macroing for a week unattended, or if they spent the last 6 months mostly on another shard but working ggs every day, or if they lost the use of their fingers for a month because they did it by hand.

At the very least, I'm not vindictive enough to harass another person's character because of it.

I am aware completely how irrelavent it is...that was part of my point. Alot of these people who script thier tamer Leroy Jenkins their way out into the playing field with no actual idea of how to play the temp. They just feel leet about having the taming skill done.

Vindictive? I am not vindictive...I just know better.

 

[Kazumi the Wild]

True, someone who just bought an Advanced Char token, a couple +15 tamer jewelry pieces, and a bird talisman won't have true taming skills.

What we really need is to have effective training taming actually correlate with the skills involved with being a good tamer - lead taming, anger cycles, etc. - instead of this "its so boring I'd rather risk bannination than do it one more ****ing HOUR" ****.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

True, someone who just bought an Advanced Char token, a couple +15 tamer jewelry pieces, and a bird talisman won't have true taming skills.

What we really need is to have effective training taming actually correlate with the skills involved with being a good tamer - lead taming, anger cycles, etc. - instead of this "its so boring I'd rather risk bannination than do it one more ****ing HOUR" ****.

not much you can do...its either script...or grin and bear it.

 

[Garen]

No they are RL losers because they have forgotten the meaning of patience, and how to enjoy the little things like setting and accomplishing a long range goal.

They are accomplishing long range goals. Just ones outside of a video game.

Heck I spent years playing UO and all my characters were macro made, from a RL point of view that was a big waste of time for me. I'd hate to have wasted any more time character building.

I would love to see some statistics here. Take a pool of folks that hit 100-120 taming without macroing and show me their age, occupation, salary and living conditions. If that list isn't a big group of overweight house-wives and nerds that work part time at a local renaissance fair I'll be surprised.

 

[CatLord]

Then I would surprise you...

 

[Wenchkin]

No they are RL losers because they have forgotten the meaning of patience, and how to enjoy the little things like setting and accomplishing a long range goal.

They are accomplishing long range goals. Just ones outside of a video game.

Heck I spent years playing UO and all my characters were macro made, from a RL point of view that was a big waste of time for me. I'd hate to have wasted any more time character building.

I would love to see some statistics here. Take a pool of folks that hit 100-120 taming without macroing and show me their age, occupation, salary and living conditions. If that list isn't a big group of overweight house-wives and nerds that work part time at a local renaissance fair I'll be surprised.

Oh I love the excuses and insults to try and justify your POV. Maybe script tamers just suck, have the attention span of a flea and would like to think they're better than everyone else for their cheating. They're not. Go play an easier game rather than trying to pretend the rules don't apply to you as they do to the rest of us.

Let's face it, if all the scripters were such high achievers, how come they all use the same useless stock scripts without having the savvy to code something better? How come if one of them is briefly at the keyboard they can't string a sentence together? Why haven't they just moved on to another game where training isn't necessary, or used their uber salaries to pay minions to play for them? Or just bought the advanced char and figured out that 2 kitsune are actually great pets if you have any degree of skill.

Nah, cheats aren't better than anyone else, they just tell themselves (and us) that in the hopes someone looks up to them. Sad.

Wenchy

 

[Garen]

I haven't tried to justify anything. By EAs rules it’s cheating but it’s an acceptable risk they take at times. I was arguing Colter’s comment that they’re RL losers for doing so when if anything it’s more the other way around.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I haven't tried to justify anything. By EAs rules it’s cheating but it’s an acceptable risk they take at times. I was arguing Colter’s comment that they’re RL losers for doing so when if anything it’s more the other way around.

Translated:

I cheat, but I'm better than you because I cheat, and you don't.



Yeah. We believe you. Really, we do......:loser:

 

[Wenchkin]

I haven't tried to justify anything. By EAs rules it’s cheating but it’s an acceptable risk they take at times. I was arguing Colter’s comment that they’re RL losers for doing so when if anything it’s more the other way around.

Yep, I know who and what you were replying to, but you're still backing up the wrong tree. Cheats don't deserve respect for anything. Writing a script takes a little knowledge, but hitting play and walking off? Nah. Any idiot can do that, and idiots are exactly what they are.

Nobody with a brain would think a tamer going in the exact same route for hours won't be paged on as a scripter. Just as anyone with a brain would at least change the name of the pet from "null" in the original script so it wasn't bloomin' obvious. You still want to credit these guys with RL abilities? Even before they open their mouths in game, it's clear they haven't done much thinking in setting up their bots...

Wenchy

 

[Prince Caspian]

Right, they're the RL losers because they don't have hundreds of hours to spend clicking and pointing just so they can begin to enjoy the game.

No, they are losers because they are cheating. And cheaters, by definition, can't win playing by the rules.

Another parallel to real life: if you don't have the time to achieve a goal, you probably don't deserve to achieve it by any means.

 

[Tjalle]

Then I would surprise you...

Heh, me too...

 

[ColterDC]

I was arguing Colter’s comment that they’re RL losers for doing so when if anything it’s more the other way around.

Actually most of the cheaters I've dealt with are RL losers. They lack honor and integrity. Qualities that allow you to succeed in RL.

Cheaters will always take the easy way out, the path of least resistance, which teaches them nothing and in the end makes them unknowledgable about the very subject they cheated. People who cannot see things through to the end and are constantly cheating to get ahead are rarely able to achieve meaningful goals in game or RL.

This is why PvP is filled with a bunch of cheaters who claim they have $5000 computers which allow them to run 3 times faster than everyone else, yet they work at a grocery store making 10 dollars an hour... uh yeah..they're really awesome people in RL..my ass.

I would love to see some statistics here. Take a pool of folks that hit 100-120 taming without macroing and show me their age, occupation, salary and living conditions. If that list isn't a big group of overweight house-wives and nerds that work part time at a local renaissance fair I'll be surprised.

If you'd like to start your poll.....


ColterDC
Age 32
Happily married 13 years, 1 son
Own our home 2,500 sq ft home on large lot
Salary between 75k-100k
6ft 3in, 210 pounds

So much for your theory.

 

[Garen]

No, they are losers because they are cheating. And cheaters, by definition, can't win playing by the rules.

Another parallel to real life: if you don't have the time to achieve a goal, you probably don't deserve to achieve it by any means.

OK so I work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes, never been to jail or committed a felony and I treat strangers on the street with kindness and respect but I'd be a loser if I scripted in UO.

You all seem a bit to immersed in your virtual world.

 

[Prince Caspian]

OK so I work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes, never been to jail or committed a felony and I treat strangers on the street with kindness and respect but I'd be a loser if I scripted in UO.

You all seem a bit to immersed in your virtual world.

Erm, I too work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes, never committed a felony and I am also warm to strangers (whom havent shown me a reason to dislike them)

And I built ALL of my 5xGM characters click by click, not a single action was macro'ed, attended or otherwise. And I'm not a little hermit or nerd living in a basement -- I have a social life and other interests than UO. But I WORKED for everything. You cheated to get what you have.

Bottom line -- you are a cheater and I don't want you in my game. Because that speaks volumes to what kind of guy you are and how fair you are likely to treat others.

 

[Garen]

Erm, I too work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes, never committed a felony and I am also warm to strangers (whom havent shown me a reason to dislike them)

And I built ALL of my 5xGM characters click by click, not a single action was macro'ed, attended or otherwise. And I'm not a little hermit or nerd living in a basement -- I have a social life and other interests than UO. But I WORKED for everything. You cheated to get what you have.

Bottom line -- you are a cheater and I don't want you in my game. Because that speaks volumes to what kind of guy you are and how fair you are likely to treat others.

You keep calling me the cheater. My account has been closed since 2/2008 so even If I did I'm no longer in your way. When I did play yes I macroed attended using UOA.

It's EAs problem. They've had 10 years to find a solution but have ignored it so their reputation, game and honest players have suffered. If you have an issue instead of calling people losers close your account like I did. EA doesn't care if you're a honest player or cheater just your $13 a month.

 

[Gheed]

OK so I work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes, never been to jail or committed a felony and I treat strangers on the street with kindness and respect but I'd be a loser if I scripted in UO.

You all seem a bit to immersed in your virtual world.

Don't confuse passion for a mental condition. It isn't the case that folks are immersed in a virtual world. It's that folks take having fun seriously. This game is a cheap hobby for a lot of folks and they have spent a lot of time enjoying it.

This is an MMO. It's all about the time suck. To use end-game gear/skills/items requires you invest your fair share of time aquiring them. That's the way an MMO works you see? Have to keep folks interested enough to pay the monthly fee instead of a one time charge. How popular would an MMO be if you were able to instantly achieve any status, skill level and gear you toon with anything you wanted just to cut to the fight.

There are plenty of online games out there that start out a level playing field. You just log on, join a hosted match (or start one) and blow each other to bits. This is not UO (unless you go to a TC)

A loser to me is someone who accepts terms of a contract then starts complaining that it somehow isn't fair. If they said they wouldn't cheat when they accepted the ToS. Then they cheated... they lied.

Complaining it isn’t fair, belittling those who don't agree with you about it or getting upset because you got caught doing it.... seems in awfully poor taste. i.e. a poor loser

 

[Borric]

It's EAs problem. They've had 10 years to find a solution but have ignored it so their reputation, game and honest players have suffered.

Thats says it all. EA takes very little action aginst it, as it is still income to them.

 

[accessdenied]

Erm, I too work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes, never committed a felony and I am also warm to strangers (whom havent shown me a reason to dislike them)

And I built ALL of my 5xGM characters click by click, not a single action was macro'ed, attended or otherwise. And I'm not a little hermit or nerd living in a basement -- I have a social life and other interests than UO. But I WORKED for everything. You cheated to get what you have.

Bottom line -- you are a cheater and I don't want you in my game. Because that speaks volumes to what kind of guy you are and how fair you are likely to treat others.

The problem is that it really isn't your game. It's EA's game and if they want to do something about illegal programs, then they will, if not, then its on EA and I'll use your quote directed towards them because that's where the fault really lies.... "It speaks volumes to what kind of business they are and how fair they are likely to treat their customers."

The only thing that makes it against the "rules" is whatever rule they want to put out there, but if they do nothing about it, is it really a rule? Or rather just a hopeful idea that everyone follows.

You could put in a code for a game that you play at home, and I make no.... absolutely NO assumptions about you.

I do find it odd though that you said that he is unlikely to treat others fair because he "cheated" at a video game, but didn't you just do the same thing to him by making this accusation? You can't possibly make a blanket statement and say that every single person that cheats will treat others irl unfairly, can you??? Then we could just use cheating on video games as a standard of judgement. and you don't cheat at games by your own admission, yet you are failing at the same ideal that you accuse him of. Sorry, but you can't stand in the same pile of crap and point to the other person and tell him how smelly he is.

 

[smip]

why you should never UM in town.

cause ya never know when a smart ass is gonna come along and do stuff to ya.

found this fella at the skara stable taming horses.
very obviouslly running a cheat program.
was walking the same pattern.
horse would spawn, he would B line to it, tame, rename the same name, then release and kill it.

watched him (right beside him) for a while while i was checking my pets in stable to see if any needed to go do some training.

then finally i beat him to taming the horse and set it to follow him and i left to go hunting for a couple hours.

When I tame I ALWAYS use the same name, release then kill my tame. What is so strange about that?

 

[Surgeries]

OK so I work 40 hours a week, pay my taxes, never been to jail or committed a felony and I treat strangers on the street with kindness and respect but I'd be a loser if I scripted in UO.

You all seem a bit to immersed in your virtual world.

Don't confuse passion for a mental condition. It isn't the case that folks are immersed in a virtual world. It's that folks take having fun seriously. This game is a cheap hobby for a lot of folks and they have spent a lot of time enjoying it.

This is an MMO. It's all about the time suck. To use end-game gear/skills/items requires you invest your fair share of time aquiring them. That's the way an MMO works you see? Have to keep folks interested enough to pay the monthly fee instead of a one time charge. How popular would an MMO be if you were able to instantly achieve any status, skill level and gear you toon with anything you wanted just to cut to the fight.

There are plenty of online games out there that start out a level playing field. You just log on, join a hosted match (or start one) and blow each other to bits. This is not UO (unless you go to a TC)

A loser to me is someone who accepts terms of a contract then starts complaining that it somehow isn't fair. If they said they wouldn't cheat when they accepted the ToS. Then they cheated... they lied.

Complaining it isn’t fair, belittling those who don't agree with you about it or getting upset because you got caught doing it.... seems in awfully poor taste. i.e. a poor loser

Gheed...I don't need to tell you this, but I want to, anyway.

You truly get it.

And it is just good to know that people like you, and AesSedai, and others can stand up, and say how lame cheating, in any form, is.

Cheating is lame, in any form. We all agreed not to cheat, just like you said. Some of us chose the virtuous path, and some chose to cheat and say they have a right to, or the game forces them to...all excuses for the real reason they do it...

They are cheaters...and truly, they are losers.

You get it.

Thank You.

 

[Vyal]

How stupid

Scripting is not cheating but it is wrong and yaaaaa this thread was a complete waste of energy. . . .

 

[Kazumi the Wild]

When I tame I ALWAYS use the same name, release then kill my tame. What is so strange about that?

Perhaps I may seem suspect for saying this, but there's a specific script I'm aware of that uses the specific pet name "nwb" in its renaming process. Seems a bit strong of a coincidence.

Though you can't see that in THAT particular screen shot you quoted, you'll see it in a later post of Poo's.

 

[Nystul]

show me their age, occupation, salary and living conditions. If that list isn't a big group of overweight house-wives and nerds that work part time at a local renaissance fair I'll be surprised.

lol

 

[HD2300]

The problem is that it really isn't your game. It's EA's game and if they want to do something about illegal programs, then they will."

Fact.