Has anyone got a fishing order at 105 with Dungeon fish in AFTER Pub 69 ?

[popps]

I have to agree with the argument that the higher the order the better the reward should be. That system works for Tailoring and Blacksmithing and has done for years, once again it wasnt broken but its been mended.

To use the RNG for fishing rewards is a particularly stupid example of changing things for the worse. The RNG generates enough complaints relating to drops at champs but nobody has really argued for a change, its been accepted.

If someone spends a long time filling a 6 line order in my opinion they are entitled to a commensurate reward. The RNG has already been used to generate the original order and even that is allied to having completed orders i.e. fame. Why now tie the reward to the random distribution of the RNG again.

If they are trying to p*** people off with fishing as far as I am concered they are succeding.

I agree entirely and that is the point I am trying to make.

I put in bold the part which I think goes straight to the core of the problem.

We already have a broken RNG and to double (or square.. ?) its evil effects by having it come into play to offer the fishing order to the player and then also to generate the random reward does not exactly seem to me a good recipe to have players not get upset more often than less......

 

[popps]

Quests accepted :	107	
Quests completed :	107	100.00%
Quests
1-Fish-Quests :	52	48.60%
2-Fish-Quests :	20	18.69%
3-Fish-Quests :	10	9.35%
4-Fish-Quests :	8	7.48%
5-Fish-Quests :	11	10.28%
6-Fish-Quests :	6	5.61%
Rewards
Autumn Dragonfish Bait	12 x	252 charges
Fairy Salmon Bait	9 x	153 charges
Giant Koi Bait	11 x	248 charges
Great Barracuda Bait	19 x	503 charges
Holy Makarel Bait	7 x	112 charges
Lava Fish Bait	1 x	67 charges
Lava Fishing Pole	6 x	6 poles
Lava Lobster Trap	4 x	4 traps
Order of the Dragonfish #1	6 x	6 books
Order of the Dragonfish #2	5 x	5 books
Order of the Dragonfish #3	1 x	1 book
Order of the Dragonfish #4	4 x	4 books
Powerscroll Fishing +10	1 x	1 scroll
Powerscroll Fishing +5	2 x	2 scrolls
Spider Crab Bait	1 x	65 charges
Stone Crab Bait	7 x	189 charges
Yellowtail Barracuda Bait	11 x	149 charges

You are not the only one tracking this "crap".
The stuff above is just the result page, i still have the details to any order. Quest 107 was done yesterday (+10 scroll) the rest ist pre-patch quests.


Sorry Cailleach.

*edit*
That is 1 quest after another.

That is quite cool, is there a way to actually somehow expedite keeping track by not having to enter manually all the data ?

I mean, having to enter manually all types of fish, quantities, location, rewards and so forth can be quite time consuming.
I wonder if there is a way to automate as much as possible the data collection and analysis...

 

[popps]

Well, I'd throw out the need for dungeon fish...My fisher is GM, hasn't eaten any scrolls, and she just turned in the following order and got a +10 scroll.

15 Red Snook
20 Bonito
20 Red Grouper

That was after less than 10 orders filled after the publish. The only difference with Molly might have been that she was doing one order at a time from when she got HS, and I think her reputation was pretty decent. But still, you don't need dungeon fish. And GM skill is all that's required.

Wenchy

Well, then I remain speechless and have simply no words to how this thing was coded.

I mean, we are talking of players at 105 skill and turning in tens upon tens upon tens of fishing orders worth 200+ points and getting useless rewards and then we hear of a GM fisherman who turns in an order worth only 110 points and getting straight a 110 fishing Powerscroll ?

I congratulate with you but I cannot congratulate with the Developers, sorry.

Lower orders should never ever succeed where hgher orders did not, this is flat plain wrong, IMHO.

It is nonsense that a 3-liner order weighting only 110 points gets a far better reward than an 6-liner order weighting 180 points. This is simply not right, IMHO.

I mean, you got a 110 fishing powerscroll with a 3-liner order weighting only 110 points and I got a Lava trap with a 6-liner order weighting 180 points.

How can anyone see anything right into a system that generate such increbile outcomes ???

Please, I'd love someone to explain to me the logic why I would ever want to find such a system as fair, logical and acceptable. I simply cannot.

 

[Lady Mal]

This thread is so full of awesome information.. thanks guys..

Is it silly that I am excited to learn that there are spider crabs? haha I thought all the types were listed, good to know there are surprises still in store.


Love the fishing!

 

[Gowron]

Well, then I remain speechless and have simply no words to how this thing was coded.

I mean, we are talking of players at 105 skill and turning in tens upon tens upon tens of fishing orders worth 200+ points and getting useless rewards and then we hear of a GM fisherman who turns in an order worth only 110 points and getting straight a 110 fishing Powerscroll ?

I congratulate with you but I cannot congratulate with the Developers, sorry.

Lower orders should never ever succeed where hgher orders did not, this is flat plain wrong, IMHO.

It is nonsense that a 3-liner order weighting only 110 points gets a far better reward than an 6-liner order weighting 180 points. This is simply not right, IMHO.

I mean, you got a 110 fishing powerscroll with a 3-liner order weighting only 110 points and I got a Lava trap with a 6-liner order weighting 180 points.

How can anyone see anything right into a system that generate such increbile outcomes ???

Please, I'd love someone to explain to me the logic why I would ever want to find such a system as fair, logical and acceptable. I simply cannot.

Seriously, if you feel things are so unfair, illogical, or unacceptable, you should consider another avenue for your entertainment. You seem to be not getting enjoyment from UO, so it must be time to move on...

 

[popps]

Even more inexplicable to me.

Now I turned in a 6-liner fishing order to Jhelom worth 200 points.

15 Crusty Lobster= 30 points (2 each)
15 Black Seabass= 30 points (2 each)
15 Bluefish= 30 points (2 each)
20 Red Grouper= 40 points (2 each)
20 Bonefish= 40 points (2 each)
15 Red Drum= 30 points (2 each)

Now, keep in mind that the maximum points ever possible on a non-dungeon fish order is 240 (all of 20 types counting 2 points each : [6 * 20] * 2). So, this order was about 85% of the maximum ever possible for non dungeon fish orders.

Eightyfreakingfive per cent of the max ever possible.

What reward it gave ? Yet another damn bait for a Crystal Fish, 92 charges.

Player A at 100.0 skill with a fishing order of a 110 points importance gets a 110 PS

Player B at 105.0 skill with a fishing order of a 200 importance (almost twice as player A !!) gets only yet another fish bait !!

How much sense does this make ?? I think something is damn wrong the way the rewards for fishing orders are coded.

 

[popps]

Seriously, if you feel things are so unfair, illogical, or unacceptable, you should consider another avenue for your entertainment. You seem to be not getting enjoyment from UO, so it must be time to move on...

That is an option, but since from your words I seem to get the impression that instead you find the system ok (please correct me if I got my impression as wrong...), could you please lighten me up and explain to me why you think it as fair, acceptable and correct that a player with less skill, worse order should get a far better reward than a player with more skill and a far better fishing order to turn in ?

What ever could be the logic in defense of such a contradiction that to me looks unacceptable ?

I am all ears.......

P.S. Rather than have players leave the game upset, wouldn't it "perhaps" be better to have it coded more fairly and keep players into the game and their subscriptions ? I mean, what on earth is the point of having a rewards' system that is grossly upside down with far worse orders providing far better rewards ???

 

[Wenchkin]

I think in all honesty Popps, if it's bothering you this much, don't do the quests. Hunt pirates instead or perhaps consider playing a game you do enjoy. If you're spending more time complaining than playing, I'd say it's time to change

I'm pleasantly surprised I got a +10 already, but perhaps I got lucky and they're still rarer at my skill level. It says to me that we need to test a lot more to see what happens to different fishers with these quests, before we try to draw meaningful conclusions and get bent out of shape. I don't think it's wrong that lower level chars get the scrolls, because we all need to progress in skill. It's not a +15 or +20 after all *shrugs*

Wenchy

 

[popps]

I think in all honesty Popps, if it's bothering you this much, don't do the quests. Hunt pirates instead or perhaps consider playing a game you do enjoy. If you're spending more time complaining than playing, I'd say it's time to change

That is an idea, nonetheless, I wonder, wouldn't it be the right thing to do, when one notices something which one thinks is not correct, to point it out hoping that it will get corrected ?

Or would it be better to just turn the head the other way ?

I mean, I may sure be wrong in my thinking, I do not necessarily pretend to be the one with the best view on the issue and yet, no matter from what angle I try to look at the issue I simply cannot find any argument in support to having less skilled characters and worse fishing orders award far better rewards than far better orders from more skilled fishermen.

We are talking about facts here, not mere hypothesis. When a Player A at 100.0 skill and an order worth only 110 points gets a 110 fishing scroll while Player B at 105.0 skill and an order worth almost twice that (200 points...) only gets yet another bait, something is not working right here, IMHO.

And this goes beyond me being upset or not about it, this is about the game functioning better or worse, IMHO.

I just simply do not see this way of awarding fishing orders rewards as right.
If it was another player and not me, even if I was the Player A who got the 110 PS I would think the exact same. I do not think it as good for the game that worse orders at lower skill give far better rewards than better orders at higher skill.

The only room for a debate that I can see here, is discussing whether a 110 fishing powerscroll is or not a far better reward that a fish bait for a crystal fish, 92 charges.

I guess this is really a personal judgement, and it can vary depending on the player.
I can only see at the market though.

A player who is 105 and wants to advance in the skill needs a 110 or better PS. Especially, when orders with dungeon fish are a must and it looks like, by now, this is not going to happen at 105 skill..... So, a 110 PS or better is really mandatory to start getting fishing orders containing dungeon fish.

A bait, regardless what rare fish it might be for and how high the charges might be is still simply a bait and, besides, since fishing for rare fish gets better at higher skill level, trying to get rare fish at a low level skill using baits is not necessarily better than fishing for rare fish at Legendary level, for example, using no bait whatsoever....

What I am trying to say, is that personally, as of now, I consider a 110 PS definately a far better reward than a Crystal fish bait, 92 charges....

I'm pleasantly surprised I got a +10 already, but perhaps I got lucky and they're still rarer at my skill level.

I definately congratulate with you but this should not have happened in the first place OR, if design wanted this to be still possible to happen for a player with the same skill and order like you had, at 100.0 skill and with a 110 points order, it should have been way, but WAY more likely to happen for some other player at 105.0 skill and a far better fishing order weighting 200 points.....

I don't think it's wrong that lower level chars get the scrolls, because we all need to progress in skill. It's not a +15 or +20 after all *shrugs*

Absolutely, I agree with you. Only, as I said, players at a higher skill and most importantly, holding much better fishing orders, should have far better chance to pull out a fishing powerscroll. This, at least to my experience as well as that of some others I also spoke with, is not happening. I mean, 6-liner orders weighing even 200 points bringing no PS ?

C'mon.......

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Pops dont you get it. Higher orders just bump the chance. None of what you go on about is about absolute.


You all got your wish.

In the last 24 hours. I ended up with 3 105's and 2 110's the highest I did was 5 order. You want to know how many orders I did? 26. I think the best thing I got was some Reaper bait, a deep red bait.

I sold the scrolls. Cheap.

In the next 48 hours the market will be flooded.
And youll have a bizzillion 110 fisherman.

In about 7 days youll see 120 scrolls out there.

I hope for all you fisherman there are bigger rewards. Something tells me a flood is coming.

 

[Skrag]

If Poops didn't get one in the first four hours of availability then it's BROKEN ZOMG.

 

[popps]

In the last 24 hours. I ended up with 3 105's and 2 110's the highest I did was 5 order. You want to know how many orders I did? 26. I think the best thing I got was some Reaper bait, a deep red bait.

And this is proper functioning of the game ?

Probably it is but personally, I do not think it is.

Higher chance should be higher chance, not theoretical higher chance but practical no chance. I mean, if one turning in 26 orders of lesser value gets better results than someone turning in 100+ orders of higher value, this, to me, shows that something is not working correctly.

This goes beyond the fishing powerscrolls, I mean, today we are talking about fishing powerscrolls but tomorrow we could be talking of some other item.

My point is about the inner workings of the system which I think are not properly functioning or, perhaps, that the rewards were not well assorted since these are the results we see.

I start from the end outcome and since I see it as wrong I reach the conclusion that the mechanics leading to that results are not working well. Hence, something should be corrected and fixed.

So, let's leave the powerscrolls behind us and let's more focus on the fact that lesser orders get better rewards. This is what I see as wrong and which I think should be corrected.

In the next 48 hours the market will be flooded.
And youll have a bizzillion 110 fisherman.

Well, 105s and 110s should rightfully be ubiquitous, it is the 115s and 120s which should be far rarer. At least, that is how I see it.

 

[Viper09]

If Poops didn't get one in the first four hours of availability then it's BROKEN ZOMG.

And that's assuming he did more than just a couple. Regardless though, I think popps should be a politician.

 

[Wenchkin]

That is an idea, nonetheless, I wonder, wouldn't it be the right thing to do, when one notices something which one thinks is not correct, to point it out hoping that it will get corrected ?

To a point Popps. But sometimes if we take a break from a game and come back to it refreshed, we don't see all these things as problems. If you're already fed up with a game, it's possible to lose perspective on the positives and negatives. If a game is entertainment, the minute it crosses the line and it's unpleasant, move on to something else for a while.

In this case, I think it's far too soon to say this is broken. For one thing, I was pretty careful to just take one order at a time since I started, so I believe my reputation is pretty high. Whereas you were speaking to NPCs if I remember right, which was causing a drop in reputation before the publish. I probably came through from the publish with a higher reputation, and I've continued to just take 1 quest at a time.

So in short, I think we may also have to factor in HOW people are doing the quests as well as the orders they received.

I mean, I may sure be wrong in my thinking, I do not necessarily pretend to be the one with the best view on the issue and yet, no matter from what angle I try to look at the issue I simply cannot find any argument in support to having less skilled characters and worse fishing orders award far better rewards than far better orders from more skilled fishermen.

But think about it Popps. It could be a rare chance at my skill level. I had a similar lucky hit on my first MIB haul after the upgrade. I got one of the rare boxes. I haven't seen one again and I've done easily 100 MIBs since

Remember, in the great scheme of things, once scrolls have been in game a while, +5s and +10's aren't considered "high end" rewards. My tailor has a stash of those scrolls from her BODs and she hasn't really done those intensively.

We are talking about facts here, not mere hypothesis. When a Player A at 100.0 skill and an order worth only 110 points gets a 110 fishing scroll while Player B at 105.0 skill and an order worth almost twice that (200 points...) only gets yet another bait, something is not working right here, IMHO.

No, I don't think that automatically means there's a problem. I think it requires much more testing to show if there is a bug or whether I just got lucky. I might not see another scroll for a long time, that's the RNG for you.

And this goes beyond me being upset or not about it, this is about the game functioning better or worse, IMHO.

I just simply do not see this way of awarding fishing orders rewards as right.
If it was another player and not me, even if I was the Player A who got the 110 PS I would think the exact same. I do not think it as good for the game that worse orders at lower skill give far better rewards than better orders at higher skill.

How about if the system was actually designed so fishers at low skill had a much rarer chance of these scrolls, than higher skilled fisher? That does give higher skilled players a benefit. But all of us have to contend with the RNG, which doesn't respect your skill level. If the RNG was perfect, the EAM team wouldn't be working on a new one...

The only room for a debate that I can see here, is discussing whether a 110 fishing powerscroll is or not a far better reward that a fish bait for a crystal fish, 92 charges.

Well, in other skills, once you have acquired the scrolls you need, the rest are either sold or just gather dust. So in the longer term I doubt the scrolls will have a huge value.

A player who is 105 and wants to advance in the skill needs a 110 or better PS. Especially, when orders with dungeon fish are a must and it looks like, by now, this is not going to happen at 105 skill..... So, a 110 PS or better is really mandatory to start getting fishing orders containing dungeon fish.

*shrugs* maybe they took on board what you said about making 120 hard...honestly I think you're far too early in calling this as a problem. Remember a GM fisher needs scrolls too...

A bait, regardless what rare fish it might be for and how high the charges might be is still simply a bait and, besides, since fishing for rare fish gets better at higher skill level, trying to get rare fish at a low level skill using baits is not necessarily better than fishing for rare fish at Legendary level, for example, using no bait whatsoever....

So go test the effectiveness of bait and report that to EAM. Once I've got the scrolls I need, and the market isn't good for selling extra scrolls, I'll be happy to get bait. At least I can use bait.

I definately congratulate with you but this should not have happened in the first place OR, if design wanted this to be still possible to happen for a player with the same skill and order like you had, at 100.0 skill and with a 110 points order, it should have been way, but WAY more likely to happen for some other player at 105.0 skill and a far better fishing order weighting 200 points.....

But to compare fishers you need to also consider how they're doing orders too. And their reputation. Especially if they lost significant reputation points by taking multiple orders for example. I suspect there's still a penalty for taking on multiple orders, because when I inadvertently spoke to the wrong NPC today, I noticed the orders I got from him and the NPC I should have spoken to, were 1 line of 10 fish. It could have been a fluke, because I haven't tried it since to see the result. However after I turned those back in I was up to multiple line orders again. But I have a gut feeling that we're meant to do one order at a time. This needs a lot more testing however, because I've done far fewer orders than most fishers I know.

Wenchy

 

[popps]

If Poops didn't get one in the first four hours of availability then it's BROKEN ZOMG.

Actually, the point is not me not getting one, the point is about players turning in a hundred plus of orders some of which 6-liners and by far better orders than others who got scrolls and not getting them........

How much sense does it make "having a higher chance" with better orders, if then this higher chance" hardly ever actually comes true ??

Or, perhaps, one should believe the theories which claim that some characters in the game might be bugged and thus, not responding to the general dynamics that apply to many other players ?
I do seem to recall from years back of talking of some "strings" that one way or the other could stick to a character and influence them somehow (I guess it meant strings of code) but unfortunately, both the old Stratics archive and that from UO.com are long gone and even a search is no longer possible.

Who knows.

 

[Zosimus]

Popps, anybody can over think and then can really over over think a situation. I think you're over over thinking this. Its a RNG and luck truthfully. Just play and hope the RNG jumps in your favor.

 

[Gowron]

That is an option, but since from your words I seem to get the impression that instead you find the system ok (please correct me if I got my impression as wrong...), could you please lighten me up and explain to me why you think it as fair, acceptable and correct that a player with less skill, worse order should get a far better reward than a player with more skill and a far better fishing order to turn in ?

What ever could be the logic in defense of such a contradiction that to me looks unacceptable ?

I am all ears.......

P.S. Rather than have players leave the game upset, wouldn't it "perhaps" be better to have it coded more fairly and keep players into the game and their subscriptions ? I mean, what on earth is the point of having a rewards' system that is grossly upside down with far worse orders providing far better rewards ???

OK, first of all, yes, the game is OK. Is it flawed? Perhaps, but not so much that I break into a rainman bantering and start banging my head into a wall.

So far, your ravings have pretty much equated to "Boo Hoo! I haven't gotten one while everyone else is." You've ignored the published guidance in favor of what people have said, because what people say appealed more. Of course, you're shocked, disappointed, and disillusioned. Though, I think if you had stuck to the published guidance instead, your rantings would still be the same.

I've told you before, so I guess you need to hear it again. I fish primarily because I enjoy fishing. I do the quests, because I like the challenge of what I might get. I don't allow myself to get overly miffed when I don't get what I originally sought after, because during the process I acquire a good number of nets, MiBs, Tmaps, hides and scales. I haven't really kept track of how many quests I've done, but I would be surprised if I'm more than slightly over 100. In that time, yes, I've gotten a couple 105 scrolls. I've gotten a fair number of bait charges, but I still don't have all of them. I've thrown away more books than I care to count, and trust me, I haven't.

Also, don't pretend to be so noble that you're merely looking out for other players. They can speak for themselves, and so far I have not seen one grant you concurrence on this issue. Seriously, when an overwhelming majority of folks are against you, it's time to look inward and reflect on just what it is you are trying to convey. While you may think you're taking on some noble and glorious cause, quite frankly, many only see you as complaining blindly because you can't get it and others have. Many people have found the RNG to be a mortal enemy, but even playing table top AD&D, I've seen folks roll misses multiple times in a row.

Nowhere is there published that weight amounts equate to particular rewards. Live with it, or move on to something else. I have a feeling that you're on the verge of a nervous breakdown, and as much as I tire of your tyrades, I really don't want you to develop health or emotional problems based on a computer game.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

It seems to be working perfectly fine for me.

I have not complaints.

I just sold another 110. Granted this time 31 quests and no 105. Ah well.

 

[GreywolfUK]

So Popps what your really saying is, If I do not get something first time and every time, then it is a conspiracy against you and things are not working correctly. Virtually everything in UO is down to RNG and real life LUCK. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY.

I honestly could not believe anyone could possibly find so much to complain about and still say they play and enjoy the game, but you have proven me wrong constantly over the years. to be honest.

I think you prefer to complain about something than actually play and enjoy the game, you really need to take a break and chill, then come back, either that or go play tiddly winks or something, mind you, you would probably complain about that too .

 

[popps]

Also, don't pretend to be so noble that you're merely looking out for other players. They can speak for themselves, and so far I have not seen one grant you concurrence on this issue.

Ahem.....

http://vboards.stratics.com/1876667-post49.html

I have to agree with the argument that the higher the order the better the reward should be. That system works for Tailoring and Blacksmithing and has done for years, once again it wasnt broken but its been mended.

To use the RNG for fishing rewards is a particularly stupid example of changing things for the worse. The RNG generates enough complaints relating to drops at champs but nobody has really argued for a change, its been accepted.

If someone spends a long time filling a 6 line order in my opinion they are entitled to a commensurate reward. The RNG has already been used to generate the original order and even that is allied to having completed orders i.e. fame. Why now tie the reward to the random distribution of the RNG again.

If they are trying to p*** people off with fishing as far as I am concered they are succeding.

edit:- Gave this some more thought and it seems to me the difficulty should lie in obtaining the best orders NOT with the rewards.

Thank you for your advice anyways and no worries, I am getting ready for the Holidays and I do not feel nervous breakdowns...

Nowhere is there published that weight amounts equate to particular rewards.

I am not questioning that it is not published, I am questioning that it does not happen... that is, likewise Bobar, I am questioning precisely the rewards should be more like for Tailoring and Blacksmithying Bulk Order Deeds and less dependendant on randomness which can yield to the results we have seen were lower skilled characters turning in far lesser fishing orders can secure far better rewards than more skilled characters turning in far better fishing orders.

I will repeat it again, this has hardly much to do with me not getting a fishing powerscroll, eventually I will simply buy one with gold if I keep not getting it. I have the gold and it would not be a problem to me.

I cannot help not thinking it as wrong when I see Player A at 100.0 fishing skill and turning in a fishing order with a 110 points weight get a 110 Powerscroll and Player B at 105.0 skill turning in a fishing order with a 200 points weight and get yet another bait or, when turning in a 180 points weight order get a Lava Trap which will most likely be lost to sinking within a few minutes from deplyoing it....

I am really sorry, but this ain't a good rewards system, IMHO.

This has to do with game mechanics and me (and other players...) not agreeing with them because we see them as unreasonable.

Today this is happening with fishing PS but tomorrow it could happen with some other items. We want the mechanics to be addressed for good, regardless what item might be being discussed at any one time.

 

[anna anomalous]

definitely never said anything about allowing 105 fishing to get dungeon fish orders. we are still required to obtain 106 fishing to get dungeon fish orders. they want us to bind the scrolls in order to get to this level. you're basing your post off hearsay.

 

[popps]

So Popps what your really saying is, If I do not get something first time and every time, then it is a conspiracy against you and things are not working correctly. Virtually everything in UO is down to RNG and real life LUCK. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY.

Do you see me complaining about the way rewards are handled for Tailoring and Blacksmithying Bulk Order Deeds ?

I may complain because the system allows scripters to exploit them, but not in regards to the way the rewards are assorted or distributed.

In the case of BODs, better orders do actually give better rewards with hardly any mixing up.

My issue with fishing orders' rewards is mainly about the fact that I see it as not right that worse orders may in the end provide better rewards than better orders.

This goes beyond fishing powerscrolls and me getting them or not, this is about how a given game mechanic has been incepted.

I happen to disagree with the way that fishing orders' rewards have been assorted withing the various orders available for turn in.

Do I have such a right to disagree with the way something was planned, designed and coded in a game I play ?

 

[popps]

definitely never said anything about allowing 105 fishing to get dungeon fish orders. we are still required to obtain 106 fishing to get dungeon fish orders. they want us to bind the scrolls in order to get to this level. you're basing your post off hearsay.

Hmmm, they no longer want us to bind the scrolls in order to get to this level

See the transcript http://vboards.stratics.com/uhall/2...ranscript-completed.html?highlight=transcript of Developer Stream Chat which says clearly

QUESTION: ok what about the plans to fix the current power scroll problem aka not being able to get a 110 till you are over 105?

Yes, that was answered earlier. We have fixed it. It will be in pub 69.

Unfortunately, when I coupled the "We have fixed it" with what someone heard listening to the Chat, my understanding at the time was, that they had lowered the 106 requirement for dungeon fish down to 105 so as to allow players to get 110 PS.

Instead, it looks to me more clearer now, that what they did was "introduce" 110 PS as available at 105 skill (and lower) rather than as it was before the Publish when one had to bind 8x 105 to get one because 110 PS required higher orders contained dungeon fish in.

Bottom line is, I was expecting them to drop the 106 requirement to 105 for dungeon fish and instead, they made 110 PS available at lower skills (a player got a 110 PS while at only 100.0 skill....) scrapping the need for dungeon fish in fishing orders....

 

[anna anomalous]

where exactly is the proof that a player with only 100 skill level got a 110? i find it hard to believe this especially if they were also talking about rewards being a "bracket system". just because it was in the development feed does not mean it was added to this publish. also, this response "Yes, that was answered earlier. We have fixed it. It will be in pub 69." is VERY vague. it does not say, "IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET DUNGEON FISH ORDERS AT 106!". meanwhile, there are reports of players receiving more 105s than they were pre-pubish 69, so maybe allowing more 105s to drop was THIS fix. when there's a publish that says, "you can now get dungeon fish orders at 105 fishing", that's when it's possible.

 

[Wenchkin]

where exactly is the proof that a player with only 100 skill level got a 110? i find it hard to believe this especially if they were also talking about rewards being a "bracket system". just because it was in the development feed does not mean it was added to this publish. also, this response "Yes, that was answered earlier. We have fixed it. It will be in pub 69." is VERY vague. it does not say, "IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET DUNGEON FISH ORDERS AT 106!". meanwhile, there are reports of players receiving more 105s than they were pre-pubish 69, so maybe allowing more 105s to drop was THIS fix. when there's a publish that says, "you can now get dungeon fish orders at 105 fishing", that's when it's possible.

See my first post in this thread. I was the player who got a 110 with a GM fisher.

Wenchy

 

[anna anomalous]

i must have overlooked your post. i agree popps, i don't see a point in eating a 105 if you can get 110 at GM. unless you can get a 115 easier after reaching the 106 mark? since they said they aren't going to reveal the details of the bracketing reward system, it's hard to say for sure until enough of us do the turn-ins and get results. i am shocked 110 was so easily obtained at GM. this information alone is making me go back to doing quests on a GM fisher, rather than my higher one.

 

[GreywolfUK]

Where in my previous post did I say you was complaining about smithy and tailoring bod systems. I said you complain just for the sake of COMPLAINING.

Popps, for all the years I have been playing and been a member of these forums, you have been one that has complained about virtually every system in game. Probably if I went back far enough, I could probably find your complaints about the smithy/tailoring bods and rewards.

PLUS, you have a habit of during a complaint about one thing, to suddenly something else, when you finally realize things are not going your way. HISTORY can and will prove me correct

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

See my first post in this thread. I was the player who got a 110 with a GM fisher.

Wenchy

GM FISHER 110s here.

Soon to be 100.1

 

[Gowron]

Congratulations, Popps, you got 1 in 20 folks to agree with you.

I might, but your arguments are so full of self interest, heresay, and often times nonsense that it is exremely difficult to extract anything resembling a rational thought.

Until there's a formula published which specifies how many points relate to what probability of rewards, any argument on this matter is moot.

I will leave you to your rambling regarding this issue. It's done for me. I've got things to do with real people, and picturing you in a padded room and straight jacket muttering repeatedly "fishing quests fishing quests fishing quests publish notes freakin' bait no scrolls" somehow doesn't entertain me anymore.

 

[anna anomalous]

since my last posts, i've done fishing orders non stop (with a GM fisher). i've turned in roughly 100 quest orders and have received 3 105 fishing powercrolls. I've completed 5 and 6 liners with upwards towards 80-90 fish in one order. two of the 105s came from 2 liners. i have not experienced anything that would make me think that 110s are easily obtained with just GM fishing. i will not use the powerscroll and continue to keep turning in quests with just a GM fisher to see if it's possible to reproduce any sort of drop rate for a 110 scroll. so far, i've only seen getting a 110 fishing scroll at GM fishing an extremely rare case. from what i can gather, getting 8 105 scrolls is far easier and faster.

both cases where 110 powerscrolls were received were fishers who have been dedicated to doing quests to a larger amount than the average player. these are players with HIGH reputation. seemingly, the bracket system is set forth to reward the players who have stuck with the quests (with the crappy drop rates) early on. now, with a revisited drop rate of the scrolls, the players with the high reputation seem to be in the bracket where 110s are obtainable, regardless of skill level, or quest turn in. if i could make a jump here; its like if they put a reputation system on Blacksmithing rewards, and with enough reputation you were able to receive a valorite hammer when turning in lower level BODs. the fishing bracket rewards seems to be a similar case. think of the fishers that have been at it for the last month, turning in quests everyday. their reputation would be very high. this system is not set up to just reward the GM fishers 110 scrolls with no reputation, it seems to be setup to reward dedicated fishers with high reputation rates from repeated turn-ins.

*edit* finally, on my largest order thus far, (90 fish turn in 5 liner) - i have received my first 110 PS

 

[anna anomalous]

Are you also getting the same rate of useless "rare" books as before the Publish ??

I hate those books with all of myself, they are just a waste of valuable fish, crabs and lobsters.

it seems you flip-flop back and forth between your standings on these issues. if i remember correctly you were very vocal on the idea that the normal 'a crab' and 'a lobster' needed to remain in the game as it makes people take longer to get the scrolls and that you wanted this to be the case. now you are here complaining about there being rewards given other than powerscrolls and in turn, that you are not getting your 110 fishing fast enough... can't you see this is the same exact filler they are providing so that you're not getting scrolls so easily? do you forget that you stand one way on an issue, or do you just like to complain?

 

[Gowron]

I just thought I'd throw in that I also got a 110 scroll. I did about 10-20 quests since the new publish as a 105 fisher without having a dungeon fish order. It was a 5 slot order with a combination of crustacians and fish totalling about 50-70 fish/crustacians.

 

[anna anomalous]

i'm up to (3) 110s and (5) 105s so far. still only at GM Fishing. i am tempted to see if a full order, an order of 120 fish/lobsters/crabs, will yield a 115. i do not believe a 120 scroll is possible without doing dungeon fish orders.

 

[popps]

it seems you flip-flop back and forth between your standings on these issues. if i remember correctly you were very vocal on the idea that the normal 'a crab' and 'a lobster' needed to remain in the game as it makes people take longer to get the scrolls and that you wanted this to be the case. now you are here complaining about there being rewards given other than powerscrolls and in turn, that you are not getting your 110 fishing fast enough... can't you see this is the same exact filler they are providing so that you're not getting scrolls so easily? do you forget that you stand one way on an issue, or do you just like to complain?

Apples and oranges, IMHO.

Powerscrolls are not all make as equal, as I see it.

My point was to have Legendary status be hard to attain. That is, have 115 and 120 fishing powerscrolls be hard to get.

With 105s and 110s that is much more different and I do not see much of a point in making these a pain to get. Not easy, but neither a royal pain.

 

[Babble]

Define hard?
If you play every day you are borderline between power gamer and addict

Play 5 hours a week and you will see the scrolls are hard to get

 

[GreywolfUK]

Define hard?
If you play every day you are borderline between power gamer and addict

Play 5 hours a week and you will see the scrolls are hard to get

Or a certified nutcase