Game Masters actions : ???? Hallo ????

[popps]

OK, something here is too much for me to understand.

I mean, this game has been having problems for YEARS of outrageous scripting and hacking in PvP and recently I get to read and hear of an increasing Game Masters activity banning and jailing players ....... aheam....... for......... unattended character training and suspected "luring" of monsters ?

Hallo ???

I mean, whether or not they might be questionable behaviours, they are NOT, I mean, really NOT as I see it, the main problems in the game about questionable players' beaviour.

Am I the only one who'd RATHER prefer to see Game Masters' time spent on going after scripters and hackers who, IMHO, hurt the game WAY, but really WAAAAAY more?

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Game Masters increased activity only, since their time is limited, I'd like to see them having other priorities which are quite a lot more important for the game, IMHO.

Scripting and hacking should be the #1 target and THEN, if there is some time left, look for other questionable activities from players.

That's at least as I see it.

 

[Aran]

Immediate issues are more important than theoretical could-be-doing-this issues.

Banning someone for harassing, luring, obviously exploited bugs in housing such as goza mats. These are all important right-now issues. The underlying issues you want them to enforce are much bigger than a simple GM call.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

Right on man. And they should just let drunk drivers go free because there are murderers out there they should be focusing on. If they aren't going to enforce all of the rules, they can't enforce any. Stop crying about scripting this hacker that and grow up already.

 

[Aran]

Right on man. And they should just let drunk drivers go free because there are murderers out there they should be focusing on. If they aren't going to enforce all of the rules, they can't enforce any. Stop crying about scripting this hacker that and grow up already.

People should be allowed to act until their actions infringe upon another. Someone driving with a .09 BAC is not hurting anyone more than someone at .07 if there are no incidents.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

People should be allowed to act until their actions infringe upon another. Someone driving with a .09 BAC is not hurting anyone more than someone at .07 if there are no incidents.

Thanks for missing the entire point of my post. When you kill somebody don't come crying to me rolleyes:

 

[popps]

Immediate issues are more important than theoretical could-be-doing-this issues.

Banning someone for harassing, luring, obviously exploited bugs in housing such as goza mats. These are all important right-now issues. The underlying issues you want them to enforce are much bigger than a simple GM call.

Sure, but a GM shift is made only of an X number of hours and if they go after smaller things (at least to my thinking as a UO player...), they have much less time which they can use to look for the bigger things like scripting and hacking.

I do not think I met much players who quit the game because someone lured monsters on to them. Yeah, they may have gotten upset but quit the game ?
Neither I met much players who left UO because other players where training skills unattended.

On the other side, I do have met and quite a number of players who left UO because they had enough of scripters and hackers.

Now, I guess, WHICH of these things should be addressed more fastly and firmly ?

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

Sure, but a GM shift is made only of an X number of hours and if they go after smaller things (at least to my thinking as a UO player...), they have much less time which they can use to look for the bigger things like scripting and hacking.

I do not think I met much players who quit the game because someone lured monsters on to them. Yeah, they may have gotten upset but quit the game ?
Neither I met much players who left UO because other players where training skills unattended.

On the other side, I do have met and quite a number of players who left UO because they had enough of scripters and hackers.

Now, I guess, WHICH of these things should be addressed more fastly and firmly ?

Woah, I don't even think the ancient Egyptians could decipher those hieroglyphics...

 

[popps]

Right on man. And they should just let drunk drivers go free because there are murderers out there they should be focusing on. If they aren't going to enforce all of the rules, they can't enforce any. Stop crying about scripting this hacker that and grow up already.

And how do the things compare ? I fail to see that, sorry.

Drunken driving can have quite serious consequences, sometimes.

I do not see how unattended skill training or luring in the game can even remotely have the same hurting consequences on the game as scripting and hacking have.

But that's only my thinking of course.

 

[Wenchkin]

OK, something here is too much for me to understand.

I mean, this game has been having problems for YEARS of outrageous scripting and hacking in PvP and recently I get to read and hear of an increasing Game Masters activity banning and jailing players ....... aheam....... for......... unattended character training and suspected "luring" of monsters ?

Hallo ???

I mean, whether or not they might be questionable behaviours, they are NOT, I mean, really NOT as I see it, the main problems in the game about questionable players' beaviour.

Am I the only one who'd RATHER prefer to see Game Masters' time spent on going after scripters and hackers who, IMHO, hurt the game WAY, but really WAAAAAY more?

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Game Masters increased activity only, since their time is limited, I'd like to see them having other priorities which are quite a lot more important for the game, IMHO.

Scripting and hacking should be the #1 target and THEN, if there is some time left, look for other questionable activities from players.

That's at least as I see it.

But Popps, not every player who is banned will come on Stratics or have his/her friends come here to say what they were banned for. So you can't say the GMs are taking action in the wrong areas when you have no way of knowing what's going on. Well you can say it, but it doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.

Give them time to go through the game rooting cheats out properly! I'm all for saying action needs to be taken, but now they are taking action. Let them do the work with this system for a little while before you complain.

Talk about never satisfied...

Wenchy

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

And how do the things compare ? I fail to see that, sorry.

Drunken driving can have quite serious consequences, sometimes.

I do not see how unattended skill training or luring in the game can even remotely have the same hurting consequences on the game as scripting and hacking have.

But that's only my thinking of course.

Hmm...if anyone is interested I will be holding a reading comprehension seminar for Stratics posters. From what I've seen many people here would benefit greatly from it...

 

[popps]

Talk about never satisfied...

Well, I have been seeing scripters and hackers hurt this great game little by little for so many years that I find it amazing that all resources available are not 100% focused, entirely, on them before targeting anything else as questionable in game behaviour from players.....

I am glad and happy that action is being taken, just that I cannot help being impatient to see all scripters and hackers out of this game, already.

 

[Babble]

Might just be that one GM who remembers UO returned and is more active.
Inactive GMs and 'Look it up on the website' messages will/are soon the norm again.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

I have never known ANYONE to quit over scripting or "hacking" as you call it. Almost everyone that quits UO is due to real life issues or simply being bored with the game. If anyone is at fault for the decline of UO's player base, it is the Dev's and nobody else's. If you spent half as much time playing UO as you do complaining about it you might actually have fun.

 

[Wenchkin]

But you don't know who is being banned and what for Popps! You have no way of knowing which stories are true and which aren't. So how on earth can you say anything about what the devs have or haven't done when you have no evidence to support your complaint?

I wanted cheats out of game the minute I first met a script miner, but I respect the devs enough to let them get on with their job and give them a thumbs up for getting the ball rolling on this. Time will tell how things turn out. In the meantime, you need to accept that a magic wand won't take away years of cheating.

Wenchy

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

Time will tell how things turn out. In the meantime, you need to accept that a magic wand won't take away years of cheating.

You must not have minded scripting as much as you claim if you are still playing the game YEARS later. Proof that this is NOT the source of the decline of UO.

 

[roninaxx]

I'm just glad that people have started seeing gm's agian,I had begun to believe that G.M.'s had gone the way of the dodo bird and amelia erhart often talked about but never seen.
As for the back and forth about who what and why, if you weren't there how do you know there was not more involved?

 

[WhityJinn]

forgive me, kind sirs, but I need to know if I understood that right:

if I lure monsters on someone, say, while he is pvming in Destard, I might get banned for this?or is it something else?

 

[Aran]

forgive me, kind sirs, but I need to know if I understood that right:

if I lure monsters on someone, say, while he is pvming in Destard, I might get banned for this?or is it something else?

Yes.

 

[Viper09]

But you don't know who is being banned and what for Popps! You have no way of knowing which stories are true and which aren't. So how on earth can you say anything about what the devs have or haven't done when you have no evidence to support your complaint?

 

[Beer_Cayse]

The way I understand it, that's the rule in Tram rulesets. I *8think** (but not 100% sure on this) that Fel it's not the case due to the ruleset there.

I am sure someone will correct me on this if I am wrong.

 

[WhityJinn]

Fel isnt the case due to the lack of people everywhere on the facet except Yew gate.

 

[Picus of Napa]

You must not have minded scripting as much as you claim if you are still playing the game YEARS later. Proof that this is NOT the source of the decline of UO.

+1 this post says alot.

 

[Ox AO]

Immediate issues are more important than theoretical could-be-doing-this issues.

Banning someone for harassing, luring, obviously exploited bugs in housing such as goza mats. These are all important right-now issues. The underlying issues you want them to enforce are much bigger than a simple GM call.

goza mats placing is illegal? I was thinking about making a bridge on my castle is that illegal?

 

[Babble]

Gozas are a bit of an grey area.
As long as no player pages a gm on you you should be fine.
Get an overzealous gm and you get a warning.

 

[popps]

Time will tell how things turn out. In the meantime, you need to accept that a magic wand won't take away years of cheating.

Well, yes, I can understand that, it is only that I have been waiting for so many years now to be able to play a cheat-free Ultima Online that I can't wait for the moment....

Also, if this needs to be a good reason for old players to come back to the game, shouldn't it be known and announced that a new era for UO has started ?

I mean, how will old players of the game know that they can now enjoy UO free of cheats if the news is not spread ?

 

[popps]

You must not have minded scripting as much as you claim if you are still playing the game YEARS later. Proof that this is NOT the source of the decline of UO.

Well, I did take time away from the game for close to 2 years because I reached a point where I could not stand playing the same game alongside with other players who cheated so much.

Most of all, though, what bothered me was not really fellow players using cheats, I think it is human that someone may try to get advantages in some way, what annoyed me the most was not seeing this cheating fought firmly and swiftly.

The tolerance for cheating in Ultima Online was what really annoyed me the most and got me to decide that I would no more play games from any games publishing company who did not fight firmly against cheating in their games.

I came back to UO to check if things had changed and then thought to at least voice up my dissent in the hope that something might change for the better of the game.

I mean, waiting on a side I thought would have not contributed much to change UO for the better (to my opinion) and complaining while not paying for the subscription I thought it, personally, as not proper.

So, I thought to pay for my subscription but speak up for what I thought as wrong in the game.

But I am playing without being able to fully enjoy the game though.

I'd like to PvP but I won't 'till hacking and cheating is around.

I'd like to enjoy playing Bulk Order Deeds, mining, fishing, chopping wood and the whole crafting deal but I am limiting myself to imbuing until scripting will be around because there is no point competing with players who can script 24/7 when I have to spend my (hard to find) gaming time on....

So, I am spending my subscription money only to enjoy the game partially because cheating is not eradicated from UO, yet.

 

[Wenchkin]

You must not have minded scripting as much as you claim if you are still playing the game YEARS later. Proof that this is NOT the source of the decline of UO.

Nice try but no cookie

You have no idea of my account history in UO or what I used to put into the game compared to what I do now...not that it's any of your business lol. To sum it up for you, I hold the buildings for an old RP town I founded, on my last 2 accounts. I don't put in anything like the time or money that I once did in UO. At one point I was over 5 accounts just holding houses till I was able to customise and merge plots onto fewer accounts I stay in game because of the community and the buildings I hold, not because I have a secret affection for cheats.

Handy enough though, bots are really easy to PK in Fel and the ones I meet in Tram have mostly been taken care of by GMs now. Quitting isn't the only option if you hate cheating in a game.

Wenchy

 

[Allicio]

OK, something here is too much for me to understand.

I mean, this game has been having problems for YEARS of outrageous scripting and hacking in PvP and recently I get to read and hear of an increasing Game Masters activity banning and jailing players ....... aheam....... for......... unattended character training and suspected "luring" of monsters ?

Hallo ???

I mean, whether or not they might be questionable behaviours, they are NOT, I mean, really NOT as I see it, the main problems in the game about questionable players' beaviour.

Am I the only one who'd RATHER prefer to see Game Masters' time spent on going after scripters and hackers who, IMHO, hurt the game WAY, but really WAAAAAY more?

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Game Masters increased activity only, since their time is limited, I'd like to see them having other priorities which are quite a lot more important for the game, IMHO.

Scripting and hacking should be the #1 target and THEN, if there is some time left, look for other questionable activities from players.

That's at least as I see it.

I have to laugh at a post like this Popp's as it indicates to me that your saying yourself that you wouldn't page a GM on someone doing this to you as you dont find it a problem even though you do nothing but comment on the right and wrong in UO. Go figure

 

[popps]

I have to laugh at a post like this Popp's as it indicates to me that your saying yourself that you wouldn't page a GM on someone doing this to you as you dont find it a problem even though you do nothing but comment on the right and wrong in UO. Go figure

One thing is paging, another is a Game Master actually answering the page and taking time to follow up on it........

Whomever has paged a GM knows what the waiting times sometimes are.

I do have read posts from people complaining that when they reported scripters they had to wait for a veeeeeery long time and sometimes, even got just a canned response.

The point of my post was NOT in regards to players paging GMs, but in regards to GMs actually spending their shift time, for example, to answer a call about luring first because it is higher in the queue, rather than one about a scripter.

Personally, I was trying to say, I'd have actions against scripters and hackers have the highest possible priority regardless what their place in the queue might be.....

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

One thing is paging, another is a Game Master actually answering the page and taking time to follow up on it........

Whomever has paged a GM knows what the waiting times sometimes are.

I do have read posts from people complaining that when they reported scripters they had to wait for a veeeeeery long time and sometimes, even got just a canned response.

The point of my post was NOT in regards to players paging GMs, but in regards to GMs actually spending their shift time, for example, to answer a call about luring first because it is higher in the queue, rather than one about a scripter.

Personally, I was trying to say, I'd have actions against scripters and hackers have the highest possible priority regardless what their place in the queue might be.....

First off, you obviously know very little about the queue system if you think you need to stay logged on for them to receive your page. Second, I challenge you to name one single "hack" that has EVER been apart of UO...I'll wait. PvP has absolutely nothing to do with scripting or so called "hacking", so please stop making excuses for yourself and either get good or quit.

Nice try but no cookie

You have no idea of my account history in UO or what I used to put into the game compared to what I do now...not that it's any of your business lol. To sum it up for you, I hold the buildings for an old RP town I founded, on my last 2 accounts. I don't put in anything like the time or money that I once did in UO. At one point I was over 5 accounts just holding houses till I was able to customise and merge plots onto fewer accounts I stay in game because of the community and the buildings I hold, not because I have a secret affection for cheats.

Handy enough though, bots are really easy to PK in Fel and the ones I meet in Tram have mostly been taken care of by GMs now. Quitting isn't the only option if you hate cheating in a game.

Wenchy

Stating that you have less accounts than you once did is not a viable argument. People open/close accounts for severals reasons, and I guarantee scripting and "cheating" (by the way has anyone figured out what cheating in UO even means yet?) was not the sole purpose for closing the accounts. I'll take chocolate chip please.

 

[popps]

First off, you obviously know very little about the queue system if you think you need to stay logged on for them to receive your page. Second, I challenge you to name one single "hack" that has EVER been apart of UO...I'll wait. PvP has absolutely nothing to do with scripting or so called "hacking", so please stop making excuses for yourself and either get good or quit.

All I need to know about the queue system is that players who page on scripters and hackers (speed hackers, obstacle hackers etc..) often run into HUGE waiting times or, worse, canned replies.

This, hints to me that up to now these issues which I consider as very important for the game I play, where not handled with the priority they deserved from GMs.

As in regards to PvP and scripts and hacks, it could be that exceptionally good players can well PvP with no need to use hacks and scripts but thing is, that the bulk of the player base is made out of average players and when they use cheats and meet in PvP, those player who are not excellent PvPers and still would like to enjoy the game they pay for, have not a chance versus cheaters...

This hurts PvP because it deters many players from participating.

 

[Wenchkin]

Stating that you have less accounts than you once did is not a viable argument. People open/close accounts for severals reasons, and I guarantee scripting and "cheating" (by the way has anyone figured out what cheating in UO even means yet?) was not the sole purpose for closing the accounts. I'll take chocolate chip please.

I'm not concerned if you think it's a valid argument or not, or what guesses you want to make about my UO accounts. You're guessing and you're wrong.

Wenchy

 

[weins201]

Smaller things - so fitting of your thoughts

"they go after smaller things (at least to my thinking as a UO player...),"

That comment fits just about EVERYTHING you think of UO

Thye are going after who they have recorded a history of during their sweep and history of thrid party use. The accusations you make are unfounded and simply that accusations. Hacking itself is a TOTAL different matter and as PROVEN 90% of the time an issue with POOR acount mangament.

Again drawn to popps lame phfft

 

[ingsmsico]

if there is some time left, look for other questionable activities from players.

what are you talking about?

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

As in regards to PvP and scripts and hacks, it could be that exceptionally good players can well PvP with no need to use hacks and scripts but thing is, that the bulk of the player base is made out of average players and when they use cheats and meet in PvP, those player who are not excellent PvPers and still would like to enjoy the game they pay for, have not a chance versus cheaters...

If you lose a fight in UO to a script, you are the most inept human being on the face of the planet. Speed "hacking" does not mean you cannot compete, they are just slightly faster than you are, which means either A: you are better than them, but they get away by running or B: they kill you because they are better than you and you tried to run away. Notice there is no C that states you lost because they are speed hacking.

Also, just because most players in UO are average, doesn't mean they cannot rise to the challenge and become better. I spent a year or two on test shard PvP'ing on a mage because I wanted to get better. I would be willing to bet you not even once went to despise or yew gate and started attacking people to get some PvP experience. Again, this all ties back in with the whole trammy entitlement mindset. You claim us PvP'ers who UM skills are "cheating" because it takes you months to train a skill, but yet you turn around and expect to be able to PvP with the best of them with no effort whatsoever. Seems kind of hypocritical if you ask me.

 

[Trebr Drab]

I think all cheating needs to be addressed. That includes unattended macroing. Scripters seem to be something they've gone after also, maybe they are now too. And how do we know that they aren't going after speed hackers too?

As far as training MOBs onto players, this is something they do need to keep an eye on. Some griefers do it just to grief other players, and that needs to be addressed too. They do it repeatedly, and that's the clue there. But simple running into other players, not meaning to train MOBs on them, just trying to survive, should be no problem.

 

[popps]

Re: Smaller things - so fitting of your thoughts

Thye are going after who they have recorded a history of during their sweep and history of thrid party use.

I see............. then I do not understand the thread about the returning player suspended with the reason being luring (at least according to what I could get from the thread).

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

I see............. then I do not understand the thread about the returning player suspended with the reason being luring (at least according to what I could get from the thread).

Probably because this is NOT the reason he was banned, and conveniently left out the real reason. From what I understand, you cannot be banned unless the paging player removed themselves from the situation and asked you to stop.

 

[Viper09]

Probably because this is NOT the reason he was banned, and conveniently left out the real reason. From what I understand, you cannot be banned unless the paging player removed themselves from the situation and asked you to stop.

I somehow don't think that GMs really care about the "requirements" players must fulfill before paging on harassment anymore. At least most GMs.

The fishy thing about that post though is that usually GMs will give out a warning to the person before taking any real action.