For those who think that processes on your computer aren't being monitored.

[the 4th man]

And big brother reads your emails, ever hear of the echotron??
You're surprised by this why??

Todays up and coming generation better get a clue.

 

[Sevin0oo0]

just in case... ibtl

I've played since '98, and I was told by a GM (while in jail) that they Can, and Do monitor, mostly metrics,- nobody has ever said a word in all these years about this being a problem or an invasion issue.I don't see any difference, and as long as it doesn't affect 'my' game play, I could care less

 

[Heartseeker]

just in case... ibtl

I've played since '98, and I was told by a GM (while in jail) that they Can, and Do monitor, mostly metrics,- nobody has ever said a word in all these years about this being a problem or an invasion issue.I don't see any difference, and as long as it doesn't affect 'my' game play, I could care less

So says the sheep......

 

[Fat Midnight]

and for use of this other program that lets you hack data on your computer.

lol wat

 

[popps]

You come to this conclusion based on absolutely nothing. Just shut up with these cheating threads. How many have to get locked before you just stop?

Cheating and the fight against it are a worthy subject. His threads don't get locked because of the subject, they get locked because the trolls show up.

Personally, I think it as unfortunate and NOT good moderating a thread when it gets closed not for the OP fault but only because other posters make posts in the thread which do not follow the guidelines....

I think that the moderators should focus on those posts only and delete or move them but leave the thread be, unless the OP posts outside of the guidelines.

Sure, some threads can become "heated up" and require a lot of work from moderators for this cleaning but I do not think it as proper that a thread gets closed because it uses up too much moderators' time for monitoring it when the OP did nothing wrong outside the guidelines.

I think it as wrong because closing a thread due to posts from others' than the OP means giving a tool in the hands of those who may want a thread closed, whatever the reasons. The thread is flooded by posts outside the guidelines (not by the OP, though...), and eventually it gets closed even though the OP has no fault.

I think the policy should always maintain a thread as safe as long as the OP stays within the guidelines, regardless of how many posts from other posters might show up in that thread that pass the guidelines boundaries.

That's at least my opinion on this issue.

 

[UOKaiser]

And big brother reads your emails, ever hear of the echotron??
You're surprised by this why??

Todays up and coming generation better get a clue.

Thats why we use high level encryption without back doors our own servers, freenet,etc to combat gov intrusion.

 

[popps]

I don't think their goal is to ban all cheaters. I think it's to get players to stop cheating, and if they insist on cheating, then they'll get banned.

Well then, perhaps, the developers should code the client to be INCOMPATIBLE to run together with an illegal third party software that interacts with any of the UO clients.

As soon as the UO client whether classic or enhanced, detects a third party software being used, UO shuts off, automatically, and a cooldown timer is up for like 24 hours or more (i.e. cannot play UO for that time).

If the account is recorded has having, say, 3 of these automatic shutdowns because of third party detection, the account is suspended or terminated after a number of these infractions...

Just an idea....

 

[Fat Midnight]

deleted, don`t feel like getting banned this time.

 

[Llewen]

As soon as the UO client whether classic or enhanced, detects a third party software being used, UO shuts off, automatically, and a cooldown timer is up for like 24 hours or more (i.e. cannot play UO for that time).

If the account is recorded has having, say, 3 of these automatic shutdowns because of third party detection, the account is suspended or terminated after a number of these infractions...

Automatic justice is far too often injustice. Even Valve doesn't automatically ban those that are detected cheating by it's VAC. They take the time to confirm that there hasn't been an error, and that's the way it should be. There is always the chance of a false positive, no matter how carefully the cheat detection is coded, so the results need to be verified before action is taken.

 

[HD2300]

It is an epic fail when all EA does to deter cheating is to ban a few (14) token accounts every 2 years.

Ooooo dont cheat because there is a 14/70000 chance every 2 year period that EA may ban your account.

 

[Xora]

I don't think their goal is to ban all cheaters. I think it's to get players to stop cheating, and if they insist on cheating, then they'll get banned.

Whether they are honest people or not is not a judgment call they want to make.

Take that line of thinking one more step.

They discuss how how they're cracking down on cheating, throw out techniques that sound impressive/thorough, and do cluster bans so you'll draw a specific conclusion. That conclusion? We can find you and ban you so don't cheat. As comments in this thread and many others bring up, that is inefficient if they're ahead of the cheaters. Key point is that they aren't. The cheaters will adjust within days where the company takes months to counter. The cheaters they catch are generally throw away accounts, which they don't need fancy detection to catch, or less competent participants in the given program/method/etc who they would rather keep in their game (read: most of the people Llewen is trying to warn). The game within the game becomes appearing tough to appease the upset subscribers without sacrificing too many paying accounts.

 

[Siteswap]

As soon as the UO client whether classic or enhanced, detects a third party software being used, UO shuts off, automatically, and a cooldown timer is up for like 24 hours or more (i.e. cannot play UO for that time).

If the account is recorded has having, say, 3 of these automatic shutdowns because of third party detection, the account is suspended or terminated after a number of these infractions...

Automatic justice is far too often injustice. Even Valve doesn't automatically ban those that are detected cheating by it's VAC. They take the time to confirm that there hasn't been an error, and that's the way it should be. There is always the chance of a false positive, no matter how carefully the cheat detection is coded, so the results need to be verified before action is taken.

Its a good idea Popps, but (for once ... and had to happen sooner or later) Llewyn is right. Would you really trust those clowns to be able to programme this into UO with zero error?

 

[Magdalene]

Personally, I think it as unfortunate and NOT good moderating a thread when it gets closed not for the OP fault but only because other posters make posts in the thread which do not follow the guidelines....

I think that the moderators should focus on those posts only and delete or move them but leave the thread be, unless the OP posts outside of the guidelines.

Sure, some threads can become "heated up" and require a lot of work from moderators for this cleaning but I do not think it as proper that a thread gets closed because it uses up too much moderators' time for monitoring it when the OP did nothing wrong outside the guidelines.

I think it as wrong because closing a thread due to posts from others' than the OP means giving a tool in the hands of those who may want a thread closed, whatever the reasons. The thread is flooded by posts outside the guidelines (not by the OP, though...), and eventually it gets closed even though the OP has no fault.

I think the policy should always maintain a thread as safe as long as the OP stays within the guidelines, regardless of how many posts from other posters might show up in that thread that pass the guidelines boundaries.

That's at least my opinion on this issue.

Discussing moderation, huh?
It's rare or inexistent case where the OP stays away from the heated parts of the argument in his/her thread, more of an exception than a rule... Not to mention that some of the usual suspects post about the same issue again and again, knowing perfectly where every thread on that given subject leads, if you know what I mean.

 

[outcry]

As soon as the UO client whether classic or enhanced, detects a third party software being used, UO shuts off, automatically, and a cooldown timer is up for like 24 hours or more (i.e. cannot play UO for that time).

If the account is recorded has having, say, 3 of these automatic shutdowns because of third party detection, the account is suspended or terminated after a number of these infractions...

Automatic justice is far too often injustice. Even Valve doesn't automatically ban those that are detected cheating by it's VAC. They take the time to confirm that there hasn't been an error, and that's the way it should be. There is always the chance of a false positive, no matter how carefully the cheat detection is coded, so the results need to be verified before action is taken.

You say so much about cheating , 3rd party programs.. so many threads of yours locked etc... You once said in one thread that cheating is a form of lying... I am going to call you out on that then.. You have been lying to yourself then .Recently you got a 48 hour ban for saying in game to another player to go to a sight that uses a illegal 3rd party program , to your way of thinking from what I read of yours *which is not much as most of its nonsense* then you yourself just cheated... Then go bragging how you say EA reversed that ban , Well if they did I hope that everyone that ever got banned for saying the same thing will spam EA and say hey this guy got it reversed then so should I..
You sir are no better then the people you say are cheating...Now get of your high horse and play the game ...


P.S Please do not spam my pm box like you did to Flutter

 

[Llewen]

You say so much about cheating , 3rd party programs.. so many threads of yours locked etc... You once said in one thread that cheating is a form of lying... I am going to call you out on that then.. You have been lying to yourself then .Recently you got a 48 hour ban for saying in game to another player to go to a sight that uses a illegal 3rd party program , to your way of thinking from what I read of yours *which is not much as most of its nonsense* then you yourself just cheated... Then go bragging how you say EA reversed that ban , Well if they did I hope that everyone that ever got banned for saying the same thing will spam EA and say hey this guy got it reversed then so should I..
You sir are no better then the people you say are cheating...Now get of your high horse and play the game ...


P.S Please do not spam my pm box like you did to Flutter

Actually visiting those sites is not a violation of the TOS. And I had also understood, maybe incorrectly, that the devs were deliberately not going after those sites with the third party cheat detection. As for the rest of it, it's the kind of personal attack I'd expect from you, and if you think that's going to stop me from discussing this topic, and doing everything I can to clean up the game, you don't know me very well.

Visiting those sites is perfectly legal, if you want to discuss the ethics of it, I suggest you start a thread on the topic. Perhaps it's something I shouldn't do, but as I've said elsewhere, no one is perfect and we all draw our line in the sand. My line is drawn at actions that actually do violate the TOS. And speaking of violations, I believe your post is a violation of the Stratics' ROC. However, I'll leave that to the judgment of the mods...

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

you hate (insert gripe here) and whine about them 24/7. Get over it, it's a video game.

perhaps you should give yourself this advice...

 

[Picus of Napa]

Some lock this necro'd thread.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Actually visiting those sites is not a violation of the TOS.

Yes it is. It was still stated during the champ spawn cam sites. Of course the devs can't stop anyone from using them. What they did with the champ spawn cams was to partially stop the cams themselves outright.

And I had also understood, maybe incorrectly, that the devs were deliberately not going after those sites with the third party cheat detection.

They don't seem to have really gone after anyone. I don't know anyone who have been banned, not even those I know that cheat all the time.

So to say that they've been avoiding them is rather stupid.

My line is drawn at actions that actually do violate the TOS.

Apparently not...seems like you're drawing the line at what you use and don't use, like so many others.

Here is the part it breaks:

You acknowledge that you do not use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Ultima Online unless specifically authorized in writing by EA.com.

The vendor search sites are tools DERIVED from Ultima Online and are not authorized by EA. So clearly rule breaking.

Even worse, its the really bad kind of rule breaking, as it gives you advantages over others who does not break the rules.

 

[HD2300]

Most of the stuff posted by the OP is pure nonsense.

How can you claim you cant speedhack now? So when the once every 2 year 'token' ban day came, how come some of the 13 people manually banned by GMs were using a speeder engine?

How can you claim that for some super secret reason EA is allowing the biggest most obvious cheat and duper, the search sites, to continue.

The OP is the biggest fanboi of EA's token attempts to stop cheating.

 

[DarkScripture]

cheaters are probably honest players

This is the stupidist thing I have EVER read. Sounds to me like you are ONE of these ppl trying to soften the blow coming from the Ban Hammer heading your way.
If you cheat you are NOT honest. Duh!! You can stop now. You are not convincing anyone.

 

[Llewen]

Here is the part it breaks:

You acknowledge that you do not use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Ultima Online unless specifically authorized in writing by EA.com.

The vendor search sites are tools DERIVED from Ultima Online and are not authorized by EA. So clearly rule breaking.

I'd say you are right. I guess I'll stop using them. But that does make you wonder why my ban was revoked.

 

[popps]

As soon as the UO client whether classic or enhanced, detects a third party software being used, UO shuts off, automatically, and a cooldown timer is up for like 24 hours or more (i.e. cannot play UO for that time).

If the account is recorded has having, say, 3 of these automatic shutdowns because of third party detection, the account is suspended or terminated after a number of these infractions...

Automatic justice is far too often injustice. Even Valve doesn't automatically ban those that are detected cheating by it's VAC. They take the time to confirm that there hasn't been an error, and that's the way it should be. There is always the chance of a false positive, no matter how carefully the cheat detection is coded, so the results need to be verified before action is taken.

Its a good idea Popps, but (for once ... and had to happen sooner or later) Llewyn is right. Would you really trust those clowns to be able to programme this into UO with zero error?

Perfection is hardly a reality of this plane.......at least my personal experience taught me.

To me, this shows that since a perfect solution is hardly viable, then a compromise solution that is reasonable must be found.

Now, how many false positives there could be ? I am no programmer but I guess that it might depend on how the sistem works.

And even if there were false positives, the players experiencing problems could contact support and figure out with them what causes them and fix them.

Personally, I think that I have waited for too many years to see Ultima Online freed of cheating.

I look forward to finally be able to see the day when all players will be able to freely play Ultima Online knowing that no other player is cheating when playing it, simply because the developers and the programmers have made it not possible or worth it.

At least, that's my point of view.

 

[Llewen]

I look forward to finally be able to see the day when all players will be able to freely play Ultima Online knowing that no other player is cheating when playing it, simply because the developers and the programmers have made it not possible or worth it.

Well they will never get rid of cheating entirely. Personally I'd settle for cheating being the exception, rather than the rule. If the devs can get to that place, it will be a huge improvement, and I think a huge victory for them. They aren't there yet, at least not in pvp...

 

[Lord Chaos]

I'd say you are right. I guess I'll stop using them. But that does make you wonder why my ban was revoked.

You were banned? Isn't that ironic if you were banned and I wasn't even, revoked or no.

They of course can't ban for using it. There's no way for them to check whether you're using search sites or not, so its an unenforcable rule. That doesn't make any less illegal and it makes it a whole lot more dishonest because all you have is your own integrity to stop you from using it, no threats or danger.

 

[Vyal]

That is utterly illegal honest.

Even if you pay for a service your not paying to have a damn trojan on your pc...

EA would get their pants sued off if they did what your accusing them of doing.

 

[Llewen]

I'd say you are right. I guess I'll stop using them. But that does make you wonder why my ban was revoked.

You were banned? Isn't that ironic if you were banned and I wasn't even, revoked or no.

I wasn't banned for visiting the site, I was banned for sharing the url of the site with someone who wanted a price check in general chat, a mistake I won't make again. As for it being "more dishonest", that's just your self serving take on it and an attempt to make me look as bad as possible. I wasn't even aware that visiting those sites was illegal, and as I said, I was of the opinion that the devs were deliberately not targeting that site.

Anyway, that's not terribly important, excuses are like... you know... I simply won't use them anymore.

That is utterly illegal honest.

Even if you pay for a service your not paying to have a damn trojan on your pc...

EA would get their pants sued off if they did what your accusing them of doing.

Actually it's perfectly legal, and every online multiplayer game released in the past several years does something similar. There is case law that supports it which is the reason why they don't even need the carefully worded sections in their TOS anymore. They are allowed to access client information regarding any process being run on your computer that might interact in some meaningful way with the service they are providing.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

I'd say you are right. I guess I'll stop using them. But that does make you wonder why my ban was revoked.

Ya until you need to find something in luna.

 

[Picus at the office]

I fail to see how your ban was revoked I would suspect the time ran out is closer to the truth. Unless you can provide some proof I call BS on this claim and even if it was the truth I'd love to know what you did or how the powers that be can claim that this was a correct move.

 

[Fluffi]

I don't even have OT-NHB forum to send you to to discuss religion...

Oh go on Mags, give 'em a link.

 

[Llewen]

I'd say you are right. I guess I'll stop using them. But that does make you wonder why my ban was revoked.

Ya until you need to find something in luna.

No, and whether you believe me or not doesn't matter to me, so I'd advise you not to go any further than this...

 

[Elden of Baja]

I find it funny that the majority of people who are "BAN THE CHEATERS SHUT DOWN THE PROGRAMS" still use some of the sites, that shall not be named :talktothehand, in order to find things easier in the game.

Are you that dumb that you don't realize that those sites get all their information by "Cheating"

If the problem is dishonesty..... anytime that you go to one of those sites or buy off a vendor that mass stocks pof, bulk resources, or well 95% Of the vendors out there, chances are you are buying from a cheater and enjoying the benfits their cheating brings.

End All the Cheating, Kill the game.

 

[Nastia Cross]

Here is the part it breaks:

You acknowledge that you do not use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Ultima Online unless specifically authorized in writing by EA.com.

The vendor search sites are tools DERIVED from Ultima Online and are not authorized by EA. So clearly rule breaking.

I'd say you are right. I guess I'll stop using them.

Going even further I'll bring up a post from another thread regarding the illegality of the search sites: http://vboards.stratics.com/1820938-post286.html
Here's an excerpt:

stealing "public" information from a company: if said information is copyrighted, reposting this information without permission or consent is illegal;

"viewing data": players who are viewing said search sites are not doing it for their amusement, they are looking for an item to purchase, hence they are benefiting from the illegally obtained data regardless of whether they find the item they are looking for or not, as they are saving themselves the time it takes to search for the item in question.

Section 5c of the TOS:

(i) the Software and the Service permit access to Content that is protected by copyrights, trademarks, and other proprietary rights owned by Electronic Arts or Content Providers (collectively, "Rights"), and (ii) these Rights are valid and protected in all media existing now or later developed, and (iii) except as is explicitly provided otherwise, your use of Content shall be governed by the copyright laws of the United States and other applicable laws. You agree that you may upload or otherwise transmit on or through the Service only Content that is not subject to any Rights, or Content in which any holder of Rights has given express authorization for distribution on the Service.

Section 5d of the TOS:

(d) Official Service. Ultima Online has been designed by Electronic Arts for play only on the Service. The Software is licensed to you for play on the Service only. Electronic Arts does not grant you a license to use the Software for any other purpose. You agree to play Ultima Online only on the Service and not through any other means. You further agree not to create or provide any other means through which Ultima Online may be played by others - for example, through server emulators. You may not reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the Software, including any proprietary communications protocol used by the Software. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Ultima Online unless specifically authorized in writing by Electronic Arts.

Bottom line is that the TOS states that all software and data from EA is copyrighted and subject to all US copyright laws. Kind of like the Napster case where people were illegally uploading and sharing songs from cds they've purchased. Just because you play the game does not mean you have a license to distribute data. They may overlook it simply because its not a major infraction, but it is still illegal.

 

[Llewen]

I find it funny that the majority of people who are "BAN THE CHEATERS SHUT DOWN THE PROGRAMS" still use some of the sites, that shall not be named :talktothehand, in order to find things easier in the game.

Are you that dumb that you don't realize that those sites get all their information by "Cheating"

If the problem is dishonesty..... anytime that you go to one of those sites or buy off a vendor that mass stocks pof, bulk resources, or well 95% Of the vendors out there, chances are you are buying from a cheater and enjoying the benfits their cheating brings.

End All the Cheating, Kill the game.

You bring up a number of interesting points. You've also managed to regurgitate several of the arguments that those that support cheating will throw in the face of anyone who attempts to get them to change their behaviour. All of those arguments are really forms of logical fallacies that if you are interested in looking up the technical names you will have to do it yourself.

First fallacy, the issue is black and white. The minute anyone starts accusing a cheater, someone is sure to bring up this one. It goes something like this, "You do x, and x is a form of cheating, so you are just as bad as I am." The truth is that there is probably no one who has played the game for more than a few minutes who hasn't done something that is at least a technical violation of the TOS, or if they haven't violated the TOS themselves, they've supported someone who has in some way.

Having said that there is a clear qualitative difference between someone who uses one of those search sites to check a price, and someone who automates their pvp game play, and then tells someone else how much they suck when they beat them. It's the same kind of difference that there is between someone who goes 10 kmph over the speed limit, and someone who drives drunk. They are both technically illegal, but one is clearly wrong on many levels, while the other one is a pretty light shade of grey, and any thinking person who isn't trying to excuse their own clearly illegal behaviour will recognize the difference between those two examples.

The last is just a repetition of the same lies that have been repeated many times by those who support cheating behaviour, and that is that combating cheating is going to destroy the game. Well 3rd party cheat detection was implemented over six months ago now, and has been actively enforced for over a month now, and guess what? The world hasn't ended. UO is still here, people are still playing the game, people are still pvp'ing, and people are still having fun.

 

[Babble]

Anyone really cares about tos?
I think no one ever got sued over that, worst is that they can ban your account and EA can do that anytime for any made up reason.

 

[HD2300]

...Well 3rd party cheat detection was implemented over six months ago now, and has been actively enforced for over a month now...

Your the only person here that actually believes that. Just like your the only person here that believes that nobody speedhacks anymore.

 

[Viper09]

I fail to see how your ban was revoked I would suspect the time ran out is closer to the truth. Unless you can provide some proof I call BS on this claim and even if it was the truth I'd love to know what you did or how the powers that be can claim that this was a correct move.

This.
You keep saying your ban was revoked Llewen. Prove it.

 

[Llewen]

...Well 3rd party cheat detection was implemented over six months ago now, and has been actively enforced for over a month now...

Your the only person here that actually believes that. Just like your the only person here that believes that nobody speedhacks anymore.

I don't believe I've ever said nobody speed hacks anymore, and if I have, allow me to correct myself. I think that an awful lot of people speed hack, but it isn't allowing anyone to go over the speed cap in the game, the most it is doing is compensating for lag. Is it allowing people to move faster? Only relative to other people that are experiencing the general lagginess of classic client.

So no, I don't think that speed hacking is the issue that everyone says it is. In fact I'm willing to bet that many of the people that are complaining about speed hacks use them themselves and the reason they are upset is that someone else's speed hack appears to be working better than theirs. In my opinion the biggest cheating issues in every aspect of the game, including pvp, are still scripts, and to a much lesser extent, art hacks.

 

[Llewen]

I fail to see how your ban was revoked I would suspect the time ran out is closer to the truth. Unless you can provide some proof I call BS on this claim and even if it was the truth I'd love to know what you did or how the powers that be can claim that this was a correct move.

This. You keep saying your ban was revoked. Prove it.

The only way I can prove it is to hand out my account information, which I would be pretty stupid to do, and even then you would probably choose not to believe me. I know I'm telling the truth. My friends know I'm telling the truth. That's all that I care about.

Oh, and I know my ban was revoked because it was a 48 hour ban and I was able to log into the game well before the 48 hours was up. It was actually closer to 24 hours. I thought at the time that perhaps bans were calculated from server maintenance the day of the ban, so I contacted EA support and they told me that bans are counted from the time they are handed out, and they also confirmed that there was no black mark on my account.

So yes, I know my ban was revoked. But more to the point, whether I was banned in the first place, and whether or not it was revoked, is really none of your business...

 

[Babble]

Uhm, maybe they changed the poilicy, but for years EA even refused to say if you had marks on the account or not.

 

[Viper09]

Well, typically, you will receive an email informing you of any actions taking for or against your account. Be it a ban, ban remove, etc.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I wasn't banned for visiting the site, I was banned for sharing the url of the site with someone who wanted a price check in general chat, a mistake I won't make again. As for it being "more dishonest", that's just your self serving take on it and an attempt to make me look as bad as possible. I wasn't even aware that visiting those sites was illegal, and as I said, I was of the opinion that the devs were deliberately not targeting that site.

I haven't commented on your honesty level. I don't really deal in that so much.

They aren't targetting search sites because they really can't. They can't detect you going there at all and its unlikely they can detect the scripts that map the vendors as thousands of vendors are opened daily.

So its really up to the players true honesty towards wanting to be legit whether or not they will use it or not.

Actually it's perfectly legal, and every online multiplayer game released in the past several years does something similar. There is case law that supports it which is the reason why they don't even need the carefully worded sections in their TOS anymore. They are allowed to access client information regarding any process being run on your computer that might interact in some meaningful way with the service they are providing.

This is correct.

 

[Luvmylace]

Forgive me for being naive',but shouldn't there be a lot of OSI owned homes in UO to account for all the bannings?. I know for a fact that when you do get account banned, that your house goes "OSI owned" .In fact the oldest one on the Catskills Shard is a 2-story located right in front of the fields in Occlo Felucca.I know this ,because I know the person who owned it..If these banning are happening, I ask again ,tell me someone you know that has been banned. Why do you beat a dead horse?

 

[Llewen]

Forgive me for being naive',but shouldn't there be a lot of OSI owned homes in UO to account for all the bannings?. I know for a fact that when you do get account banned, that your house goes "OSI owned" .In fact the oldest one on the Catskills Shard is a 2-story located right in front of the fields in Occlo Felucca.I know this ,because I know the person who owned it..If these banning are happening, I ask again ,tell me someone you know that has been banned. Why do you beat a dead horse?

As far as I know most of the bans were temporary. And on Catskills there was a castle full of rares that fell about a week after the first bans were handed out. I don't know whether that had anything to do with the bannings or not, but given the value of castles, and the timing, it does seem to be a rather large coincidence that a castle full of items would fall a week after that first wave of bannings.

 

[HD2300]

^^

How to list all running process in the system

It takes 1 minute to copy and paste this.

1. They have the right to do it
2. They can do it, and it only takes a copy of minutes
3. So why havent they banned the butts of the search site bots?

The other option is to 'major' patch, in which the encryption code is changed, every 2nd day.

So there are 2 options that is common knowledge on how to stop scriptors that has been known since forever, that have not been pursued. Either EA wants to stop scripting, or it doesnt.

 

[Luvmylace]

Again where is the proof that any "fallen houses" were from banning?
I don't believe what I cannot prove. Llewyn, show me someone who did get banned.Temp bannings have been going on since early on!
What makes you think that people wouldn't get a canned message ..... "you have been caught with **** cheat program on your computer ,you have been banned"

 

[Llewen]

I wasn't banned for visiting the site, I was banned for sharing the url of the site with someone who wanted a price check in general chat, a mistake I won't make again. As for it being "more dishonest", that's just your self serving take on it and an attempt to make me look as bad as possible. I wasn't even aware that visiting those sites was illegal, and as I said, I was of the opinion that the devs were deliberately not targeting that site.

They aren't targetting search sites because they really can't. They can't detect you going there at all and its unlikely they can detect the scripts that map the vendors as thousands of vendors are opened daily.

I expect they have detected the scripts that these sites are using, and if they really wanted to they could target them and make the changes in policy to ensure that they would find it very difficult to keep opening trial accounts and use them to index vendors. These sites are also prominent, and those running them are very likely extremely easy to find, if they really cared they could make an example of them and take them to court.

I'm fairly sure that they have made a conscious decision not to target them, but for reasons that should be obvious, they can't just come out and say that.

Actually it's perfectly legal, and every online multiplayer game released in the past several years does something similar. There is case law that supports it which is the reason why they don't even need the carefully worded sections in their TOS anymore. They are allowed to access client information regarding any process being run on your computer that might interact in some meaningful way with the service they are providing.

This is correct.

I actually don't know about case law specifically, but there are specific laws which govern their rights with regard to programs that interact with the services they provide. I'm sure they've already been tested in court, so there probably is case law, but that wasn't what I meant to say.

 

[Lord Chaos]

*sigh* I'll repeat it for the 59859348th time...changing the encryption would be completely unfeasible to do and also break UOA.

Secondly it only stops one of the CC cheats, it doesn't stop the EC cheats or other CC cheats.

 

[Zosimus]

Im pretty sure I saw Elvis and Micheal Jackson running a muck on shards a few months ago collapsing housing on banned accounts.

Does it matter what the are scanning on peoples computer? I have nothing to hide or illegal on my comp so they scan away all they want. Plus dont be getting Lace all riled up or I have to post pwn you

 

[HD2300]

*sigh* I'll repeat it for the 59859348th time...changing the encryption would be completely unfeasible to do and also break UOA.

Secondly it only stops one of the CC cheats, it doesn't stop the EC cheats or other CC cheats.

How hard really is it to give UOA a list of upcoming codes every 3 months? What do you think UOA does when there is a 'major' patch.

It wont stop cast earthquake 10000 times scripts, but it does stop the main scripting program, which allows a PC to gold farm, spawn, mine, populate content in search sites etc 24/7.

 

[Luvmylace]

Im pretty sure I saw Elvis and Micheal Jackson running a muck on shards a few months ago collapsing housing on banned accounts.

Does it matter what the are scanning on peoples computer? I have nothing to hide or illegal on my comp so they scan away all they want. Plus dont be getting Lace all riled up or I have to post pwn you

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