What are we going to do when we all have the best of the best of the best items that never break and never need changed? I don't just mean us as PvP'ers, either.
*shrugs* add more stuff...
The same thing that always happens. Skill levels would jump up to 150 thanks to more scrolls, stat caps would be increased to 150 thanks to stat scrolls, new weapons/armor made with new runic hammers would be required and people would whine about not wanting to risk anything. Just like today. Just like yesterday.
so far that hasn't happened there are so many mods and more mods on the way with the upgrades that there can always be a better set then yours no matter how good your set is. making monsters that are tough is one way to balance that out of course that hurts players with lower quality sets. perhaps one day the monsters can be afftected by how good our set is like the better our set the tougher the monster is. as for pvp thats another problem but that shouldn't hurt us monster hunters that don't want to pvp.
because it would be more enjoyable? your odd.
people wouldnt wear the high end gear, thus the even playing field for all, not just the 'haves'.
??? i find people easily in fel all the time. from zerg guilds to tram guilds trying to spawn, to the miners, to the lone adventurer east of skara. exploits happen everywhere in the game, not just fel.
one week for you or me to make a new character with 4-500k. i mean a NEW player, one that doesnt even know what an ettin is. and the weapons/armor in haven are a joke against a suited pvper.
*sigh* Right. More stuff and more stuff and more and more and more until no one even remembers what an Ettin is anymore, any newbie can solo a DF or Peerless and we all have 1000 skill points and 500 stats and 3 weapons in each hand while casting 20/60 riding Ancient Greater Dragons.
If you wanted to make it truly even, why even allow gear to be worn at all? No gear = all skill. Greco-Roman Felucca!
Siege manages to work well, but there are a couple factors that come into play. Siege has had the same no insurance ruleset from day one. Also, Siege has a dedicated group of players that have chosen to play by those rules.
Enjoyment is only your perspective. But yes odd I am.
Vets didn't close their accounts when AoS came out and made all of their old gear obsolete. The vets that do really aren't the type that should be in the game anyway. UO needs more players that want deep and rich content instead of just further and further boosted items that they can blow their gold on. That mindset is what makes games like this fail in the long run.
Can you imagine the outcry if EA added something like insurance to production shards after years of it not existing? Wait, they did that. Go figure.
Your point being what exactly? Aside from a broken caps lock and !! key that is.
Erm Siege-ize? All folks are talking about is removing a feature from Fel and returning it to a facet without insurance. We didn't have insurance to start with, remember? It's not Siege-izing it's just correcting something which should never have hit Fel.
In both cases the devs added choices, instead of taking them away. At least when you make something obsolete there are ways to upgrade. It's a whole different story when you take away options and limit people from things they are accustomed to having.
The idea that I would have frequently restock large portions of my gear when I died does not sound like an enjoyable method of gameplay for me. Even if competitive gear was readily available in such quantities that it wasn't much hassle to get the gear itself, I'd still have to stockpile it, sort it, and have it readily available. Not to mention that such a system encourages players to be careful and cautious to avoid repeating such a process.
Limited to 3 or less. 1 Preferably. People never seem to get that you dont NEED those ubers to play. Belive it or not you can do anything just fine with a suit of barbed and or some throwaways. When there isnt insurance people will just use less valuable stuff.
Strangely enough its not all about thieves, or even about them at all. The game works better without insurance. The game once again becomes about player skill, and medium level items and crafting once again have a purpse. No need for the ever upward spiraling power levels...
Well, I know the creator of ultima said that even about PvP, but then again he left this game long ago. But where did you get it that everyone else said that thieves were a mistake, aye? Please, indulge us of this fact you say. And quoting Richard is kind of irrelevant given that not only did he quit long ago, but, to restate myself, said the exact thing about PvP.
Huh?
What choice do those that want to compete against people that don't have 400m gold suits that they have zero risk of ever losing have? Oh wait, they are the ones that shouldn't have a choice right? As long as you have a choice, everything is fine. Gotcha.
If you frequently had your entire suit of gm quality armor looted then you are probably doing something wrong. Sure, you might have run into people that dry looted people of even the most common items in the old days, but that wasn't the majority. We know that its safe and easy to just rez and be ready to fight again instantly. But not everyone wants easy in this game. Some people want an actual challenge. Buying gear that lets you solo the highest mobs in the game isn't a challenge. Walking around in that 400m gold suit with no fear of ever losing it isn't a challenge.
Many have friends that are leaving. That is why discussions like this happen. Many want something more added to the game besides just more and more required pixel crack items. Its people like you that accept the direction this game is going instead of standing against it that enables the developers to continue ruining our game.
If you can compete at pvp within ten minutes of creating a character, more power to ya. If you can't admit that the gap between the haves (those that can spend real money on gear or have tons of time to grind for it) and the have nots (those that don't spend real money or have limited actual playtime and don't want to spend it doing things like saving for years on a suit tomake the competitive) is too broad in this age of the game, no amount of facts, logic or evidence will change that view.Huh?
You want to pvp 10 minutes after you create a character on your first account?
That is your idea of an even playing field in a MMORPG?
No offense but it appears that somebody may have mixed up Uo with their older brothers Playstation
Your just trying to be argumentative aren't you?, What they are saying is this, people who don't play long hours at a time, or have expendable income to just buy items for real $$$ shouldn't be stuck having to spend 6mo. to 2yr. just to get a suit. It's absurd and kills the fun factor of the game for these people. Those that have the suits, or those selling armor and weapons to make those suits are taking them for granted, that why these people like yourself are being argumentative, and refusing to see any real benefit to UO on a large scale.Huh?
You want to pvp 10 minutes after you create a character on your first account?
That is your idea of an even playing field in a MMORPG?
No offense but it appears that somebody may have mixed up Uo with their older brothers Playstation
Logic? whats more logical than that? If you want something fixed, fix it your self. You want insurance gone? turn yours off. No one prevents you from not using your own insurance.
me turning my insurance off does not fix the problem. the major imbalances between the haves and haves nots is there regardless of what i insure.
all these people can still pvp in trammel with insurance if it is turned off in fel. there is nothing stopping them.
people in fel weren't crying about items. aos was shoved down everybodies throat. six months into aos saw me lose all my friends in game that were disgusted with it.
my thief wears gm armor and carries 30 of every reg, some pots, orange petals, and smoke bombs. no insurance. none of my pvpers have 'uber' suits when compaired to the average pvper.
i have a thief there, but siege is NOT a prodo shard without insurance. get real.
We've got 2 Trammels now, with the exception of Power Scrolls, and highlighting Red, there are ways to do everything in Trammel you can in Fel it's as risk free and Care Bear as trammel is when you look at the overall picture.
Ya, because you can't be attacked by other players in fel anymore rolleyes:
*sigh* Anyone can be as one sided as they like. Failing to see the point is like constantly beating a dead cow.
I'll let you in on a little secret. My thief doesn't wear armor
he doesn't use regs. In fact, I just run to places and use recalls in my runebook. I don't even know how your statement about your characters has any impact on this arguement.That is the best post ftw in this thread. I will say I don't particularly like item insurance but I at this time don't support the idea of removing it.
5 hours...two weeks of logging in and out...30 mil.
Why? That's all your posts are.
Think of it this way, players like myself haven't liked some additions to the game, but lived with them and tried to get on with it. At least that's what I've done. Now I can see the reasons why I'm completely disinterested in PvP and will continue to stay out of it, at least not fighting daily as I once did. There is no "hook," no point in fighting unless you're the sort who likes to see who's the daddy. I've been in a player justice guild virtually all my UO life, and we're redundant now. Picking sides means nowt, being a murderer means even less and yet players are still trying to make Fel even easier. Why? You can guild war in Tram, surely it's logical to do that for safe PvP, not call for Fel to be sanitised.
How about... go accumulate a suit of their own? That's a valid choice for anyone who doesn't mind putting some effort into the game. And if you need a 400m gold suit to be competitive, you are doing something very wrong.
You mean to tell me that a guild defending a spawn won't dry loot any serious attackers they fend off, knowing that they will gain minutes of uninterrupted spawn time by doing so? These are frequently the same people who script and hack to gain the smallest of advantages, and they are going to ignore a game mechanic that gives them a significant tactical edge?
Where the heck did I say I was complacent about the continuing trend of the game? Just because I'm arguing against removing insurance completely from Fel doesn't imply that I think there isn't a problem. It just means that I disagree with that particular solution.
Then all those against the removal of insurance from Fel can just leave them at home when they come to Fel so that they don't have to risk losing them. I agree completely.
Any point you tried to make there is lost because you try to equate a guild that fights for control of a spawn with scritpers and hackers. I won't bother with sections of posts that do that.
Good to hear. Its a good thing to have more people able to admit that there are problems that need to be fixed. The more of those the better.
I would be ok with that as a start. Not sure about the skill or stat caps. But it wouldn't kill my support for the idea completely.
I am always in favor of this. I fully support the concept that travel to Fel or Trammel allows players to choose what playstyle they want to take part in without ever having it forced on them. Improving Fel in no way forces anyone to go there. The same way that improving Trammel does not force anyone to go there.
I can imagine what that area would be like;
That's part of the item treadmill problem that people have been trying to explain. EA makes higher level items which everyone wants. Those items make the current mobs too easy so people complain. So EA makes higher level mobs to accomodate the new items and their use. Then EA makes higher level items which everyone wants.
Because the people who want to lose less should be playing on Tram - the facet which was designed to be safe and peaceful for those players. I think you have your facet's crossed...
This is my point , posted by you :
Stop trying to make Fel lamer.
I don't see groups of 2-4 people having issues running spawns on siege...in their GM armor with throw away jewelry. They received the same boost everyone else did. Granted they would be more difficult and challenging but hey!, who says there's supposed to be some challenge and risk to playing in Fel on a Prodo shard....oh wait the devs did that's right....
I agree with you 100%. I will say though that 400 mil is not so unreasonable if you take luck into consideration. The suit I wore used two items worth nearly that, items I was lucky enough to craft though...not stuff I could afford to buy.
