• Hail Guest!
    We're looking for Community Content Contribuitors to Stratics. If you would like to write articles, fan fiction, do guild or shard event recaps, it's simple. Find out how in this thread: Community Contributions
  • Greetings Guest, Having Login Issues? Check this thread!
  • Hail Guest!,
    Please take a moment to read this post reminding you all of the importance of Account Security.
  • Hail Guest!
    Please read the new announcement concerning the upcoming addition to Stratics. You can find the announcement Here!

Fine line between good buisness and Harassment!

  • Thread starter Ironrose Dartmore
  • Start date
  • Watchers 5
Status
Not open for further replies.
B

bumblefutz

Guest
Please any ideas?
Do you realize what a ****** this "griefer" would feel like if you just thanked him for the cash instead of crying on the boards?

Slowly jack up your prices and bleed him dry. When he finally gets tired of paying 500k for a stack of 50 recall scrolls or whatever, send him a nice thank you for the free money and set your prices back to normal.

If he starts buying you out again, start raising the prices again. This is the dumbest "grief" plot I've ever heard. HA HA NEWB, TAKE MY MONEY! YEAH HAVE SOME MORE! GOD I AM OWNING YOU!

Who is this person, and how can I get on their list of enemies? I'd love some free cash.
 

AirmidCecht

Babbling Loonie
Alumni
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
UNLEASHED
If he starts buying you out again, start raising the prices again. This is the dumbest "grief" plot I've ever heard. HA HA NEWB, TAKE MY MONEY! YEAH HAVE SOME MORE! GOD I AM OWNING YOU!

Best post of the day award goes to......

*has giggle fits*
 
B

Beer_Cayse

Guest
And that is my premise as well ... as a buying player. The last time I used Luna for ANYTHING was some really well-priced repair deeds in my early days. I'd easily grab 50 or so of the 100 they'd stock. But I *used* them, not a buy low/sell high operation. One does that with the NPCs ... why mess up other players?

I shop around ... on LA, I only shop at the place Basara runs. Why? Because the prices are reasonable, selection decent and I know that if something I want now is not there, it will most likely appear at some time in the near future.

Luna is a place of last resort to me unless a shop comes VERY highly recommended. I've saved 100s of Ks shopping around outside Luna and found really decent, hardworking players willing to let the rest of us get goods at inexpensive costs.
 
B

Beer_Cayse

Guest
I just recommended this very tactic to her! Cut into THEIR profit margin deep enough and they go away.
 

Lady Michelle

Sprite Full SP
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
UNLEASHED
To me it looks like the op doesn't want to do all the work by marking the ruins with locations, putting the recalls in the books to charge them, and this other person comes along buys them out not putting the time in themselves. The op feels she is being used to do all the work for the other player. Now if it was me I would put empty rune books on the vendor priced the same as the full rune books. Let this other player go around mark their own runes, and charge the books with their own recalls.
 
I

Ironrose Dartmore

Guest
I am sorry you took it as QQing.. I was mearly asking what you would do..I do understand the buying cheap to mark up.. Thats buisness.. but when you buy and DON"T mark up but sell the same price.. just to keep my vendor unstocked is in words harrasment.. 1 they dont make money they just make what they spent back.. 2 I have taken down the rune book vendor and selling via icq and ingame board for that. Unfortunatly I will lose alot of the not so rich players that are just starting out if they don't read the boards but however I will not have to be constantly refilling my vendor.. or should i say theirs.

For some of you who missed the point, that i am not in it for the money .. I have enough of it.. it was just to provide those that are not as someone put it power gamer millionaires.
 
U

UOKaiser

Guest
I am sorry you took it as QQing.. I was mearly asking what you would do..I do understand the buying cheap to mark up.. Thats buisness.. but when you buy and DON"T mark up but sell the same price.. just to keep my vendor unstocked is in words harrasment.. 1 they dont make money they just make what they spent back.. 2 I have taken down the rune book vendor and selling via icq and ingame board for that. Unfortunatly I will lose alot of the not so rich players that are just starting out if they don't read the boards but however I will not have to be constantly refilling my vendor.. or should i say theirs.

For some of you who missed the point, that i am not in it for the money .. I have enough of it.. it was just to provide those that are not as someone put it power gamer millionaires.
You mean Power gamer Billionears. Millionaires are the old thousandnairs.Billionears are the old millionaires.
 

AirmidCecht

Babbling Loonie
Alumni
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
UNLEASHED
Don't lose heart Ironhrose,

What you're sharing would frustrate anyone, especially when crafting is our profession. But sometimes it's okay to laugh with everyone in your misery. Take the suggestions offered with a grain of salt and do what's right for you. I personally dig the sell higher on your vendor, sell cheaper to orders tactic until said person fades away. They always do ya know, it's when they think they are defeating you that you give them pleasure. I'd get my hooker boots out and make em pay *winks*
 
B

Budweiser KDL

Guest
Basically when you mark 100 or more rune books of various places make over 2000 recalls and other such stuff( No im not kidding i had my motehr sit there and watch one day).. just to 20 mins later have to rinse and repeat. Gives me one of two choices.. Not stock my vendors lose customers. or spend my whole uo time restocking for naught as she is getting all the goods by doing no work and making more money off my hard earned skills.. hell if she just came to me and said you think you can make this many of whatever for bulk .. Id have no problem.. This is a game..I Should enjoy doing this stuff not make it an actual job.
Ban her char from your shop. She can't use that account to access vendors then if I remember correctly.
 
G

georgemarvin2001

Guest
You're not going to get much sympathy from fellow shop owners. If you're undercutting somebody else's prices and hurting their business, them buying all your stock and putting it on their own vendors is just good business.
I'll give you an example: I was selling ingots in Luna. 799 gp per ingot for valorite, the lowest in town by 1 gp. Everybody who mines will know that it's a pain in the neck finding valorite sites these days. It's worth that much for the time and trouble mining the ore. Then somebody opened a shop selling val ingots for 350 per ingot. They also sold regular iron ingots at 7 per, when the going rate was 15. He was selling 10K shadow ingots for 200k, when the going price was 1 million gp. Of course I bought every ingot in the whole shop. He restocked, and I did it again. Rinse and repeat every day for 2 weeks, until the number of ingots for sale had dwindled from 10,000 of each ingot per day to 50. I won't have to go mining for 3 or 4 months, but it accomplished 2 goals: I got a lot of stock for less than I considered my time and effort to be worth, and my competitor didn't take all of my customers.
Another example: I was selling PoF for 150k per bottle. I was doing the few PoF deeds I got thru the system, but I was buying most of the PoF from a BOD guy with several accounts full of crafters; I was paying 100k per bottle. Another seller opened up a shop next to mine selling it for 50k per bottle. He got mad when I bought all 120 bottles off his vendor and put them on my vendor at my regular price. I guess he had expected dozens of customers to drop by and buy 1 or 2 PoF at a time so he could build his business. It just doesn't work that way. If I hadn't bought him out, any of a dozen other people who either use or sell massive amounts of PoF would have.
If somebody opens a shop and it's selling the same items you are at a lot less than the current market price, and you want to stay in business yourself, you have 3 choices:
1. Ignore them and hope they will go away. This really does work sometimes; they might figure out that they aren't making any gold selling items for a lot less than the market rate, and they will either close or raise their prices to the market rate after they have built their customer base at your expense.
2. Cut your prices to their level. This usually doesn't work for long. If something costs 350k to make, and your competitor is selling it for 300k, you're losing money every time you sell an item. You wince when a potential customer drops by, and that isn't good.
3. Buy out the competitor. If they are selling something for less than you can make it for, it just makes good business sense to buy them out. If it costs them less to make an item than it costs you, they're still making a profit, so they will be ok with being a wholesaler. If they were losing money on the item, you will only get that great deal a few times before they pack up and call it quits. Enjoy the bargain while it lasts.

Either way, it's nothing personal. It's just business. There is no harassment when somebody buys you out. Either raise your prices to the market rate, or just be happy that you have a great customer who buys you out every day.
 

Viper09

Grand Poobah
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
I would suggest doing one of two things, or both:

Ignore them, keep stocking. Perhaps double the amount that you stock and/or try stocking at different times.

And/or raise your prices above the amount that the other person is selling them for. Not too much, just enough to slowly drain them.

There shouldn't be any point in buying you out if you're selling them for the exact same price.

Never let the person who is intentionally trying to get you to leave win. Plus, you're the one gaining a lot of gold here. That's one good thing about this, hehe. :)

But hey, why not try stocking some additional items that are particularly pricey, ;)
 

Gilmour

Certifiable
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
there are some shops around like i guess Dartmore's is and Ours on drachen is as well, which sell goods at reasonable prices so everyone can follow the price range, i dont know about dartmore's shop but could imagine he sells some of the more common goods which require work to sell, some ppl dont care much if they have to pay 6k or 100k for a full spellbook, and hense if you are the one selling them at 6k you should be prepared that chance is somewhat that it will be resold for more.

best advice i can give you is what i do, although since he is your neighbour i see the problem, but stock less of the same at a time, but more often as needed.

but i do think it is very rude to rip your neighbours vendor to sell it at more on your own, which i guess is the case?

but thats regular luna business for ya, all about the profit. 75% of all luna vendors is: if it doesnt have a 300% profit margin or can make hundreds of ks an hour crafting stuff, they dont bother, did you ever wonder why its easier to find an empty scrapper's compendium than a regular full spellbook? ;) but thats a bit off topic :)

Greets
Gilmour
 

Theo_GL

Grand Poobah
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
UNLEASHED
I am sorry you took it as QQing.. I was mearly asking what you would do..I do understand the buying cheap to mark up.. Thats buisness.. but when you buy and DON"T mark up but sell the same price.. just to keep my vendor unstocked is in words harrasment.. 1 they dont make money they just make what they spent back.. 2 I have taken down the rune book vendor and selling via icq and ingame board for that. Unfortunatly I will lose alot of the not so rich players that are just starting out if they don't read the boards but however I will not have to be constantly refilling my vendor.. or should i say theirs.

For some of you who missed the point, that i am not in it for the money .. I have enough of it.. it was just to provide those that are not as someone put it power gamer millionaires.
This thread just gets dumber. If they are buying your stock and selling for the same price - aren't you still indirectly supplying new players with reasonable priced goods?

You are hurt because the players say 'vendor buy' from the house next door and not yours?

This is comical.
 
S

Skullcollector

Guest
What you could do is spend a few days and STOCKPILE those goods. When you finally stock you vendor, stock them to the MAX. And keep them maxed with goods, even if he buys you out just restock to the max. Stockpile and max your vendor for a week or so and you two will have enough rune books to supply your entire shard and probably even mine…

My point is he wont be able to sell all the books he’s buying and storage will soon become an issue for him. It’s a lot of work but at some point he’s going to get tired of wasting gold and you never had to raise your prices.
 

RawHeadRex

Slightly Crazed
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
sorry you have to go through that IronRose and Momma Rose. don't beat yourself up trying to restock, just dedicate the same amount of time you normally would for restocking your vendor and try to enjoy the fact your vendor sells out. the same thing can happen in rl with wholesalers and retailers. also i think i read your in luna,which isn't known for its 'deals' if you know what i mean. raise your prices substantially based on what you are seeing the resold prices going for next store. hang in there ! :grouphug:
 

Spellbound

Lore Master
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
UNLEASHED
I think dev intervention with the introduction of a RESALE TAX on items that have already been on a vendor would be beneficial to the original sellers. Maybe any item that has been on a vendor should be tagged as such and if placed on a vendor again, have a 50% of the item's price daily vendor fee. That way, it would pay to be the original crafter and seller, not the mark-up and buy low-sell high profiteer.
 
C

Connor_Graham

Guest
I think dev intervention with the introduction of a RESALE TAX on items that have already been on a vendor would be beneficial to the original sellers. Maybe any item that has been on a vendor should be tagged as such and if placed on a vendor again, have a 50% of the item's price daily vendor fee. That way, it would pay to be the original crafter and seller, not the mark-up and buy low-sell high profiteer.
Taxes belong in RL, not in a game.
 

Theo_GL

Grand Poobah
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
UNLEASHED
Okay call it the reseller's penalty fee.... or goldsink.
Why? Is there one in a RL economies?

Are you old enough to drink? Have you ever ordered a bottle of wine in a restaurant?

That $90 bottle of wine in the restaurant was purchased for $45 from a wine distributor. The wine distributor purchased it from the wine maker for $22.

Do we tax people for making a markup and helping distribute?

Same thing for Luna vendors who scour the lands for goods, buy them in our of the way places and resell for higher prices in a more convenient shopping location.


Anyways - this entire thread is a joke. The OP wants to supply low priced runebooks to players. The store next door buys her out and sells for same price.

Win/Win/Win

The OP gets PAID with gold.
The house next door uses to stock vendors AT SAME PRICE.
Players buy reasonable priced runebooks from house next door.

Win/Win/Win.

There are no losers in this situation except for the OP's whinning here.

There is no problem with this situation, nothing the devs need to do, everyone just move along...... The game is functioning as designed. There is no harassment.

Thats it - maybe I'll stand by my vendor in luna and page for harassment everytime someone buys stuff from my vendor. 'Hey, this dude is harassing me by buying stuff for sale on my vendor. Its keeping the next player from buying. Exploiter! Noob! ' :lol:
 

Cogniac

Grand Inquisitor
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
So, I originally read it as though the other vendor was buying the OP out and hiking up the price. To which I would have replied: up the prices until they give up, or identify these "poor Sosarians" that you wish to serve and sell to them directly, or just give your stuff away for free in Haven if you care that much about "providing a service."

But then I realized that the OP stated that the other vendor was relisting the items for the exact same price. Which means the argument of "I just want to provide service to people at a reasonable price and this other vendor is harassing me and preventing it!" is straight up BS. The "service" is still being provided, it is still being provided at a reasonable price, and you are making money.

In conclusion: You have started a giant bitchfest on UHall because you personally are not getting all the credit for selling those specific items to people. Kindly go away from this place and never return.
 

Spellbound

Lore Master
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
UNLEASHED
Why? Is there one in a RL economies?

Are you old enough to drink? Have you ever ordered a bottle of wine in a restaurant?

That $90 bottle of wine in the restaurant was purchased for $45 from a wine distributor. The wine distributor purchased it from the wine maker for $22.

Do we tax people for making a markup and helping distribute?
I've owned and run a restaurant in the past so yes, I am old enough to drink and order cases of wines from distributors. Also yes, restauranteurs are taxed multiple times: sales taxes, liquor license, food and beverage taxes, etc.

I'm just offering a suggestion to help the actual crafter or hunter of wanted items benefit, not just the profiteering monopolizers trying to rule the economy.
 
T

Trebr Drab

Guest
So, I originally read it as though the other vendor was buying the OP out and hiking up the price. To which I would have replied: up the prices until they give up, or identify these "poor Sosarians" that you wish to serve and sell to them directly, or just give your stuff away for free in Haven if you care that much about "providing a service."

But then I realized that the OP stated that the other vendor was relisting the items for the exact same price. Which means the argument of "I just want to provide service to people at a reasonable price and this other vendor is harassing me and preventing it!" is straight up BS. The "service" is still being provided, it is still being provided at a reasonable price, and you are making money.

In conclusion: You have started a giant bitchfest on UHall because you personally are not getting all the credit for selling those specific items to people. Kindly go away from this place and never return.
She's stated both, from what I can see. So I think what's going on is that the other vendor is buying some items and jacking up the price, and other items just to clear her out and load their own vendors up.

Your attitude sucks. If you can't see that a player might want to build their own business, and be recognized for that as the person doing all the work and being the supplier, then I think maybe you have tunnel vision. And the fact that you don't want them to post their opinions shows that your mind is following suit.
 

Theo_GL

Grand Poobah
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
UNLEASHED
She's stated both, from what I can see. So I think what's going on is that the other vendor is buying some items and jacking up the price, and other items just to clear her out and load their own vendors up.

Your attitude sucks. If you can't see that a player might want to build their own business, and be recognized for that as the person doing all the work and being the supplier, then I think maybe you have tunnel vision. And the fact that you don't want them to post their opinions shows that your mind is following suit.
There is no way to determine the intent of a buyer and in NO WAY do I want anything to police this system.

Does WalMart ask you when you buy 2 cases of soda 'now son, are you going to drink those or resell them at the little league game for $1 each?'.

They sell soda/pop. You buy soda/pop. Once you buy it you are free to do what you want with it.

Same in UO.

The OP should really log off this game as it is not for them. I'd suggest Sims or something like that....
 
I

IgorBR

Guest
Please tell me the OP is trying to make us laugh.

If not, its the dumbest post ever.
 
T

Trebr Drab

Guest
She's stated both, from what I can see. So I think what's going on is that the other vendor is buying some items and jacking up the price, and other items just to clear her out and load their own vendors up.

Your attitude sucks. If you can't see that a player might want to build their own business, and be recognized for that as the person doing all the work and being the supplier, then I think maybe you have tunnel vision. And the fact that you don't want them to post their opinions shows that your mind is following suit.
There is no way to determine the intent of a buyer and in NO WAY do I want anything to police this system.

Does WalMart ask you when you buy 2 cases of soda 'now son, are you going to drink those or resell them at the little league game for $1 each?'.

They sell soda/pop. You buy soda/pop. Once you buy it you are free to do what you want with it.

Same in UO.

The OP should really log off this game as it is not for them. I'd suggest Sims or something like that....
You know, neither I or the OP made any suggestions at all to police this thing.
And suggesting that someone quit playing UO for stating an opinion.... just ludicrous.

For your convenience, I'll quote each and every one of her posts:

"Opps yeah your right billionears "

"I am sorry you took it as QQing.. I was mearly asking what you would do..I do understand the buying cheap to mark up.. Thats buisness.. but when you buy and DON"T mark up but sell the same price.. just to keep my vendor unstocked is in words harrasment.. 1 they dont make money they just make what they spent back.. 2 I have taken down the rune book vendor and selling via icq and ingame board for that. Unfortunatly I will lose alot of the not so rich players that are just starting out if they don't read the boards but however I will not have to be constantly refilling my vendor.. or should i say theirs.
For some of you who missed the point, that i am not in it for the money .. I have enough of it.. it was just to provide those that are not as someone put it power gamer millionaires."

"every single thing from the vendor EVERY thing."

"yeah. I will consider just taking down the vendors she wants to make me keep restocking its to bad its the vendors most people like. We just JUST bought this house in luna bank.. And now know why the person wanted to move."

"Basically when you mark 100 or more rune books of various places make over 2000 recalls and other such stuff( No im not kidding i had my motehr sit there and watch one day).. just to 20 mins later have to rinse and repeat. Gives me one of two choices.. Not stock my vendors lose customers. or spend my whole uo time restocking for naught as she is getting all the goods by doing no work and making more money off my hard earned skills.. hell if she just came to me and said you think you can make this many of whatever for bulk .. Id have no problem.. This is a game..I Should enjoy doing this stuff not make it an actual job."

"sure if your on LA Ohh then maby she will ignore me WOOT.. i like the idea.."

"I have done that and done that.. They just get on new accounts.. I have litterally blocked 5 accounts so far. It got worse after I banned her main account with the character lara.. I love someone in trammel calling me a trammy.. *shrugs*
Did I forget to mention she does this with my other vendor house in ter mur.. Keeping two houses stocked then to see some.. *insert really icky words* trying to make you go out of buisness and also keeping you having to constantly craft.. it gets annoying"

"I know this seems silly that I am upset .. But its not the point of really making a bajillion gold. I have been fighting this for weeks. I think your right I will keep my rune books and recall dye vendor unstocked as she only buys from this. Doesnt rename book doesnt remark rune inside book (i guess you could see that as free publisity) I have even raised the prices but she continues to buy and now is just doing it out of spit. Not to even make a cent off of the items.. Personally it takes ALOT ALOT of work to keep a vendor stocked but if all the items are gone then I will have no new clientel nor would i keep the ones i have.."

"Okay so my mother posted earlier this week about banning someone from our shop. It worked for a while but now the person is blatantly harassing me.. Not even marking up the prices . Just trying to keep my vendors unstocked so we will 1 have to take our vendors down besides her buying out the items or two move. It is becoming way just way to much. What can be done about this. I am not sure this would even fall under harassment other than it is taking the enjoyment from the game. Please any ideas?"


Now, the OP has been nothing but classy here. No demands, no requests for changes to the game, just a question of how to handle this situation.
 

Minerva Foxglove

Lore Keeper
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
It's a problem that many will never understand. Some people have vendors to earn gold, or just offload stuff they don't want, and don't care whether they're stocked or not. Some people have vendors to provide a service. The former type will never understand the latter.

I was proud of the fact that I was considered to be a reliable source. 'Go to Petra's vendor' folks used to say, 'she's always stocked'. It's a reputation that's hard to build and takes a lot of work. It hurts when it's destroyed by someone 'dry looting' your vendor every time you stock it.

Why care if you got your asking price? Because the gold is not important, it's not the reason to have the vendor (hard to believe I know) The vendor is there to provide a needed service to fellow players.
This is exactly how I feel. I have 15-18 vendors in a guild shop on Europa with good rep and many customers are roleplayers and newer players. We all work hard to keep our vendors stocked and at fair prices. Both for our customers and for the other vendor owners.

We are not in Luna and I had this prob for years with my runebook vendor. I sell 9 different marked runebooks and thats alot of marking.. How do I raise the price when I already charge 25k and the reseller in Luna chargess 100k?
 
B

Beer_Cayse

Guest
... How do I raise the price when I already charge 25k and the reseller in Luna chargess 100k?
And that's the point I've been trying to make ... your 25K for the books with runes is where I would spend my gold! 100K is assinine to say the least.
 

Petra Fyde

Peerless Chatterbox
Alumni
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
This topic is now simply going around in circles. I think it's time to call a halt.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top