feluccans create their own game - here's the proof:

[Mervyn]

Last night, and most nights during peak time on Europa, you'll see an epic battle between 2-3 large guilds with at least 15 people on each side in fel centered around a champ at peak time.

The aim of the game - to steal the champ boss off the other guild and collect the scrolls.

Each guild will fight for this champ for often several hours even though in that time each guild is perfectly capable of doing several of their own champs in that time without risk of dieing/being in stat loss.

If this isn't proof of showing how players enjoy a fight i don't know what is....

There have been a lot of threads hijacked lately by trammel players who believe that nobody likes to 'compete' and that fel is dead. WE'RE THE ONES WHO LAG THE SERVERS. I'm sick of people saying that pvpers are a tiny minority when this is clearly not the case.

I'd like to see a fel player forum moderator to balance out these forums.

A lot of people feel that fel players are childish and are griefers, but all griefers play blues (that is not to say that all blues are griefers)

 

[Redxpanda]

WE'RE THE ONES WHO LAG THE SERVERS.

I knew they were cheating lol (sorry couldn't resist)

A lot of people feel that fel players are childish and are griefers, but all griefers play blues (that is not to say that all blues are griefers)

I don't feel that fel people are griefers. I don't even think reds are but those are the ones that always stand out. I come from a time when they were the majority. I have met some good mature raiders that beat us off a spawn and then rezzed and talked to us afterwards and i have met those that stealthed and followed you so they can kill you again. It's like, when you do the right thing noone really notices but let you do one bad thing and people will never forget ya know.

 

[Driven Insane]

 

[Thav12]

Last night, and most nights during peak time on Europa, you'll see an epic battle between 2-3 large guilds with at least 15 people on each side in fel centered around a champ at peak time.

The aim of the game - to steal the champ boss off the other guild and collect the scrolls.

Each guild will fight for this champ for often several hours even though in that time each guild is perfectly capable of doing several of their own champs in that time without risk of dieing/being in stat loss.

If this isn't proof of showing how players enjoy a fight i don't know what is....

There have been a lot of threads hijacked lately by trammel players who believe that nobody likes to 'compete' and that fel is dead. WE'RE THE ONES WHO LAG THE SERVERS. I'm sick of people saying that pvpers are a tiny minority when this is clearly not the case.

I'd like to see a fel player forum moderator to balance out these forums.

A lot of people feel that fel players are childish and are griefers, but all griefers play blues (that is not to say that all blues are griefers)

Tried this a couple of times as well Mervyn. Your posts have merit and a LOT of people agree with you. It's always the same people bulldozing over ideas like yours, even if you tell them that they are right, Trammel was needed, Trammel saved UO, etc. They were so traumatized back then, that they can't agree to disagree. They can't get over the fact that with them, we have evolved as well and have stuck it out (AND Paid for) this game for 13-15 years. They derive such a righteous attitude from their board presence and years of cultivation that they don't realize they have become what they hated. They are bullies. Sad, sad, sad. Particularly since the fel players that stayed behind are by and large not the fel players that caused their pain back then. They are people that love playing UO. But ask one of the PvM loving, role playing trammies for one little something, and their 15 years of righteous reverse griefing BS will steamroll you like you personally inflicted them pain or something. I also think that there a lot of people craving some fel-like non-trammel world that are waiting to start becoming paying subscribers again. 1000's of players now stuck in poorly maintained free shards. Will their return fix UO? Probably not. A genuine overhaul will be needed for that. Will it help UO survive better and longer? You bet your sweet behind it will. And you are right. It costs UO/Mythic/EA NOTHING to do something like that.

 

[Mervyn]

I didn't take any of last night, but i'll be sure to take some tonight

 

[Petra Fyde]

I'm very happy that you're having an enjoyable time in Felucca on Europa.
If everyone will stop making posts proposing to change it in impractical and unworkable ways and keep the pvp in game instead of on the boards, that will make me even more happy

 

[Nyses]

Do you have similar anecdotal information for any other shards? Some of them seem mighty dead these days, no matter where you play.

He may not but I do, also last night, but on Atlantic, there was a Harrower poped sometime before 7:30 PST, and the fight raged with 4 or 5 guilds, 30 to 40 people, for 3 to 4 hours. It was great fun.

And sorry, I did not take any pictures.

 

[Thav12]

I knew they were cheating lol (sorry couldn't resist)



I don't feel that fel people are griefers. I don't even think reds are but those are the ones that always stand out. I come from a time when they were the majority. I have met some good mature raiders that beat us off a spawn and then rezzed and talked to us afterwards and i have met those that stealthed and followed you so they can kill you again. It's like, when you do the right thing noone really notices but let you do one bad thing and people will never forget ya know.

people that still divide the UO world in Red and Blue and think that this equates evil and good in UO are nuts. It's the same player. The color you choose has more to do with something like serving vs receiving in tennis, e.g. Sometimes I like to play with my red, sometimes my blue. Sometimes I switch it out several times within the same hour. Unless you are a roleplayer in fel, and there are some I am sure, it means nothing. I doubt you have anything to fear from a roleplaying red...

It is however still so much easier to be a d*ck hiding behind a blue color, if you were interested in killing a trammie, due to this preconceived notion that a blue somehow is good. It just shows how deep the misunderstandings about the current fel population run amongst the righteous UOHall posters.

 

[Mervyn]

I'm very happy that you're having an enjoyable time in Felucca on Europa.
If everyone will stop making posts proposing to change it in impractical and unworkable ways and keep the pvp in game instead of on the boards, that will make me even more happy

care to mention any examples? or are you just doing your normal sweeping generalisation of fel players?

 

[Ron Silverbeard]

Well if you enjoy to do this Fel spawns, just do it - i dont see any problem and...everybody has his gamestyle...i dont PvP..so i dont go there..makes no sense...dont need insta death and long ghost runs through dungeons and so on...if i need a scroll, i buy it...grinded so much gold on search for acceptable loot at shame i dont care to spend 2,3,4 10 Millions for a scroll if i want it...nice to see you enjoy the game...i enjoy other things in game than PvPing...
Good luck!

P.S. You pay me back your money anyway when it comes you need recources, artifacts, other stuff

 

[Thav12]

I'm very happy that you're having an enjoyable time in Felucca on Europa.
If everyone will stop making posts proposing to change it in impractical and unworkable ways and keep the pvp in game instead of on the boards, that will make me even more happy

This is what Mervyn wrote: "I'd like to see a fel player forum moderator to balance out these forums."

All I have to say is that your quote, Petra Fyde, is the epitome of what has been noted here by the people that enjoy a different game style than you and your friends here on UHall. To bully Mervyn, and tell him to take his ideas away from this board, you have become your own worst nightmare. Just because you think it is impractical and unworkable (read: undesirable by the dominant crowd here on stratics), it does not mean that you have to come out as a moderator and tell him to leave.... wow..... I don't know why I even still post here, if only it is to keep hoping that the people that play UO like I have played UO for 13 years may somehow maintain a little voice here as well and that this game does not completely turn into a backwards Pogo style chat box.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Contrary to your esteemed opinion, I don't have anything at all against Fel players. Only against board pvp.
If I were that much against Fel I wouldn't have a house there on Europa, I wouldn't have fully trained characters something like 6 years old on Siege, I wouldn't tame mares regularly in Covetous - and yes I'll still be taming Feluccan mares after the change, and I wouldn't have done my research for the Void Pool in Covetous, Felucca on Test center.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I have not told anyone to leave these boards, only to not do the fighting on them.

 

[Nyses]

Thanks, Nyses. It's good to hear that Atlantic is still seeing some good fights. Which times during the week seem to be the best for finding an engaging fight there these days?

Maybe a few more folks can provide a little update on what's been going on PvP-wise on their shards, just so the folks who seem to be taking a break can read and find out the fighting's not all gone.

Well, the reason Atlantic is doing so well, is that after the Devs gutted factions, those that did not quit entirely, had to move to ATL to actually find other people to fight. So, sadly most of the other North American shards are now officially ghost towns.

As for the times, since most of the PvPers from the west coast to the east coast are now huddled on ATL, I would say from 4PMish EST to 1AMish EST, you can get a great fight going, just start some spawns or a Harrower.

 

[Ron Silverbeard]

Tina, if it would be so easy, we wouldnt have hungry people in africa and wars for oil..
its always easier to speak about it than actually do it...

 

[IanJames]

Kelmo, Petra, Tazar and others all play on Siege which is a fel ruleset. I'm not sure why you think you need more fel players moderating UHall

 

[Sevin0oo0]

I'd love to see more discussions about what we as players can do to help bring people back to UO, whether those folks PvP or PvM.

Me too, SO, how do you that without suggesting changes? especially in PVP. People left for a reason, w/o change, why would they come back, ever?
It's been said I don't care about Fel, and that's true! I don't care about Tram either! How do ya like me now?
There's only 1 thing I care about, the Health of UO - if it doesn't help make it better, even fractionally, I'm not for it. period. no secret agenda, or personal wants, just to have UO a game more want to play, that's it.

 

[Mervyn]

Siege i wouldn't count as real fel

 

[Mirt]

Siege i wouldn't count as real fel

Now that is funny. Siege is the most real fel you can get.

 

[Thav12]

Contrary to your esteemed opinion, I don't have anything at all against Fel players. Only against board pvp.
If I were that much against Fel I wouldn't have a house there on Europa, I wouldn't have fully trained characters something like 6 years old on Siege, I wouldn't tame mares regularly in Covetous - and yes I'll still be taming Feluccan mares after the change, and I wouldn't have done my research for the Void Pool in Covetous, Felucca on Test center.

to your point, i think most people in UO nowadays play some kind of hybrid play style like you are describing here as well. I play a mean sampire as well who never gets into PvP willingly. I enjoy the next point system just like you, and I am amazed by your work on the new Cove pool (and benefit from it), as I am by many of your efforts. Let's not forget (again) that a lot of people that play slightly different types of game styles than you do (I would not be caught dead taming a mare in Covetous in Fel, for instance), actually all play the same game and have evolved with and within this game. It is about nuance, and I do feel strongly that the balance is sort of off lately here on the boards.

I re-read your post and I can see how you can explain that post to read two ways. If your intent was to tell Mervyn not to participate in board PvP, I misread your post. I did not see a word in Mervyn's post directed towards another player and therefore interpreted your post to mean that you told him to take his PvP stuff somewhere else...Perhapds your post was directed towards my post, but I assure you I was not trying to make it a PvP board fight and didn't attack anybody personally either.

As to the people that suggest to take any and all suggestions that do not coincide with their dominant opinion of the game to some variation of a sub-board: That is the same thing as telling someone to leave. If you think that the discussions are not pertinent to your particular game style, then by all means, rename uhall into something different and continue to have a blast with each other. I think this is the place to have some discussions, disagreements and perhaps some synergism while posting about the various general aspects of this game. To tell people to go into a small corner of these boards and talk to Poo, as much as I value Poo, is just dismissive and symptomatic of the issues that we are discussing in this thread.

 

[Mervyn]

Now that is funny. Siege is the most real fel you can get.

you don't build a suit, no one loses insurance, no one plays, no one wears good armor to combat, it's a wieners fel

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

Siege i wouldn't count as real fel

Ummmmm, so Fel ruleset ain't Fel unless there are Trammies that come through on occasion or something?

 

[Mirt]

you don't build a suit, no one loses insurance, no one plays, no one wears good armor to combat, it's a wieners fel

I think you should try Siege. Thats some real pvp in every respect. While they might not be running uber suits you don't need that to pvp. Just like pvp existed before AoS.

 

[LordDrago]

Creating another shard, given the current state of UO, EA, and indications from Devs/Producers, etc., is not realistic, however anyone might feel about it.

I would also say that there is never going to be a viable, 100% solution to getting more people to move/travel/visit/live in fel.

This being said, I think that we, as UO players, could come up with some solutions, to present to the devs, as long as we respect different viewpoints, cease personal bickering, and act as adults.

So, to start it off, should factions be further developed, or dropped in favor of a different system (and if so, what type of system)
What are the pros and cons to each idea?

 

[Mervyn]

I think you should try Siege. Thats some real pvp in every respect. While they might not be running uber suits you don't need that to pvp. Just like pvp existed before AoS.

pvp pre aos was awful, truly awful, i know i was there

 

[Ron Silverbeard]

So that means just slam the idea of discussing stuff we can do to help new or returning players? That doesn't seem to be very helpful either.

No Tina, i mean, its easier to complain every day than do something to change it to good.

After Mervyn's view of Siege, i am out of this discussion anyway, no more words to waste on this thread..

 

[kelmo]

For one that seems to want a lot of attention, you are pretty dismissive of an entirely different shard and style of play that many enjoy.

 

[Petra Fyde]

you don't build a suit, no one loses insurance, no one plays, no one wears good armor to combat, it's a wieners fel

Mervyn, you are so far wrong in your assumptions about Siege that I wouldn't know where to start to put you right.

Thav12, no I was not addressing you, sorry I wasn't clear. There has been a lot of strange stuff posted on these boards recently, as a generalization I believe much of it was posted merely to cause conflict.
Mervyn and I have spoken quite extensively on icq, so I guess in part my posts to him reflect that. I'll try to avoid that in future.

 

[Thav12]

Yep, the fighting/bickering on the boards has gotten very old. I'd love to see more discussions about what we as players can do to help bring people back to UO, whether those folks PvP or PvM. Instead of long laundry lists of things we each want to see the developers do to modify the game, how about long lists of actions we can take right now to get our friends and family playing again and to help out long-gone players who will hopefully have their curiosity piqued when the interview with Jeff and Mesanna is published "soon"? What kind of stuff can crafters get busy making to support various playstyles? What kind of other stuff needs to be available (skill and stat scrolls, SoTs, SoAs, talismans, orbs, etc.)? Instead of ripping each other to shreds here, maybe everyone could contemplate for a bit how they can contribute if that interview sparks a huge population explosion. Are individual guild forums and websites up-to-date if guilds will want to be recruiting? Are supplies a guild might give to new members stocked and ready? Are folks available and ready to spend some time talking to returning players about various changes to help get them up-to-speed?

Those are all the things I wish people were talking about. Hopeful stuff. Not more ripping, tearing, and shredding each other to bits over stuff we as individual players can't control.

Noble, and I can't disagree, Tina. Most everyone on this board (certainly including me) would gladly spend an entire week, I am sure, with a new player to get him/her up to speed. This is the most community driven and friendly game I know, in that respect. It is a bit of a harsh and raw world, but that is kind of cool too, and a major attraction of this game in my opinion.

But what if the very core of your game style hangs less on pixels and stuff and is entirely dependent on the arbitrary rules that are coded by the dev's? That is what i am talking and posting about. I will help anyone who wants help. I feel that a suggestion like this, as righteous as it sounds, is also a little insulting (clearly not intended to be an insult, i understand) to those players that enjoyed this game with you for a very very long time, but derive a slightly different kind of fun from the same game than you do. Perhaps the stuff that I have brought up, or several other had the same intent: to bring people back to the game. Unfortunately, the suggestions did not seem to fit well with the agenda of some dominant posters and -boom- a good and constructive post gets annihilated. To your last point: Individual players can't control anything, but we have seen plenty of changes to this game as a result of our postings here on the boards when those postings and ideas get enough traction. That is the reason to continue to suggest stuff.

 

[Mirt]

pvp pre aos was awful, truly awful, i know i was there

So was I and it was very fun. It required skill, and while I personally love the equipment challenges that todays UO provide pvp was just as exciting without them.

 

[Mervyn]

Mervyn, you are so far wrong in your assumptions about Siege that I wouldn't know where to start to put you right.

Thav12, no I was not addressing you, sorry I wasn't clear. There has been a lot of strange stuff posted on these boards recently, as a generalization I believe much of it was posted merely to cause conflict.
Mervyn and I have spoken quite extensively on icq, so I guess in part my posts to him reflect that. I'll try to avoid that in future.

I don't need to assume anything i played Siege before

 

[Viper09]

you don't build a suit, no one loses insurance, no one plays, no one wears good armor to combat, it's a wieners fel

Soooo, PvP is about uber gear, losing money when you die. Not skill, not actual PvP?
If anything Siege is about fighting without relying on your items too much.

But if you played Siege, let alone read comments from players who do, you'd know people play there.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Everybody needs to understand the Mervyn wants a Siege with insurance. I wounder why. Pre AoS PvP was all about SKILL and for the majority PvP on Seige is all about SKILL.

Mervyn, why is you need all your toys to PvP?

Just so you know, I have been here for 15+ years so I have seen real PvP not this I got to have all the cool toys so I can PvP. You want REAL PvP then go to SP and get some GM Armor/Weps and have a go at it.

 

[Driven Insane]

Siege i wouldn't count as real fel

This comment just makes you look ignorant and I don't understand why you feel the need to trash any playstyle besides your own.

If this game had to rely on only production shard Fel PvPers such as yourself, it would have closed years ago. Everyone else pays the same monthly fee as you. They deserve their playstyles and enjoyment as much as you.

 

[Zosimus]

Siege is a fel ruleset plain and simple. No insurance so that is more of the true fel then what is on other shards now days.

I will state that PvP is just as important as PvM in UO. Both are needed and both sides should have a say in the game. Just as long as it is civil and constructive.

 

[Petra Fyde]

My reasons for believing Mervyn's idea is not sound relies not on opinions about Fel v Tram, nor on any opposition I have to Feluccan playstyle.
Folk who have known me longer know me better than that.
It is simple logic. If you have a restuarant which is capable of seating 50 customers but only has a regular clientelle of 20 diners, you don't build a 200 seat restuarant next door offering the same menu. It just doesn't make economic sense. You adjust the menu to try to attract more customers to the existing building.

 

[phantus]

Siege i wouldn't count as real fel

I think I figured it out. Mervyn is the Popps from bizarro world. *nods*

 

[Mervyn]

My reasons for believing Mervyn's idea is not sound relies not on opinions about Fel v Tram, nor on any opposition I have to Feluccan playstyle.
Folk who have known me longer know me better than that.
It is simple logic. If you have a restuarant which is capable of seating 50 customers but only has a regular clientelle of 20 diners, you don't build a 200 seat restuarant next door offering the same menu. It just doesn't make economic sense. You adjust the menu to try to attract more customers to the existing building.

I hear your diners suffered food poisoning

 

[kelmo]

Is it any wonder all your threads get locked? You started this train wreck and even you can not stay on topic or resist trolling and personal attacks.