Faction Poll III - Miscellaneous Questions

[vitamin]

LOL too funny we've a few that about all they do is yew.One of them is the guy you kept crying on my message board about him killing you till i barred you from posting on it [because i got tired of your crying] so now you feel the need to cry here.All out war,,,,hahahhaha.Heres a hint,,,your an OJ,,,its the normal,,you say that like i am supposed to fear you or something.Cant hide,,LOL so says the stealth archer.Here is another hint,if you `didn't care what i say about you,you would have stopped posting a long time ago,,keep it up,i could use the laughs.[/QUOTe

what ever nub

 

[Nyx (Atl)]

Wow this poses so many questions. Ok if Faction fighting is going to go tram as well as fel are you going to let the reds in tram? After all most of the chars in factions are reds. Cant discriminate against the reds if you go faction fighting in tram and by the way I have no red chars I like my freedom.

Hmmm this will stop bank sitting to burn those counts, then people would have to think do I really want to take that 4th count at the champ raid?. Imagine actually having to burn your count time while playing and not duel clienting to burn them at the bank. Would be interesting seeing all the ones at luna bank burning their counts being blown up by pots. Or will this just make us see ghosts hanging out at luna so they dont time out?


I agree with Scratch you want to fix something, fix the scripting it is just pure bs and no one seems to give a crap. Paging is useless nothing gets done. It is amazing when pots can follow you for screens and screens hit you dead on and kill you. Also lately getting killed with no one else on the screen hmmmm scripts are out of control. Maybe some of the higher ups should come to fel and join us dying, while watching others going from redlined to full health in one second, maybe then they will do something about the scripting... it kind of does take the fun out of it for the ones of us that play by the rules.


Also if you are going faction in tram does that include malas, ishnear, the sa lands? I have a malas vendor house but I do have other homes to go to if need be, however, I might consider quiting factions if there are no "safe zones". While I do actively pvp I dont do it 24/7 there are so many other things to do and 20 min of stat seems to take forever. If I have to make two suits one for pvp and one for pmv so be it, really not a big deal.


However, have you given any thought to the EM's? This would kill there
pvm events. EM run tram events would turn into all out pvp battles. I know on atl there are a lot of us that use our pvp chars to pvm and do quests.

I truely feel that if you permit faction fighting in tram that it will disrupt the entire system that you created in making tram and will only discourage more from joining factions. I feel there is a lot to think about before a decision is made.

Also Paps is dead on here that is what warring is for. Unless you let the reds in then see how many people get upset.

As for some hero/evil rules I think that would benefit. Might actually get some of the guilds that are fighting within the same factions to move around and even out the playing field.

As for the Cloak of Command I never see anyone use it, as I understand, the summoned can be immediately dispelled. I do not believe I have ever seen 1 summoned from that cloak since it came out. Orc Brutes are the most used.

As for faction items yes I use them, I have one other char in faction that uses faction items that I really dont pvp with. But while i do not actively pvp with her I do actively pvp. But again not a big deal if you decide only usable in fel. The other thing is now with imubing not hard to customize a suit to be exactly the same as what my suit now has or better.


I believe some more thought has to go into what you are going to implement there are too many strings left untied. I can come up with plenty more questions for the polls.

*ahem, clears throat*

Let's get get back to matter at hand? Lorelei brings up some great points which everyone has ignored. Yes, I quoted the entire thing because honestly, it did deserve repeating.

 

[jfkeach]

Years ago when they came out with factions I tried it. It was a gankfest. Every time you logged on you got ganked.

Recently, I tried again. I am still in factions. Still a gank fest. Getting frustrated when a amped up char with 90 DCI dies in 2 seconds. Max Resists, 120 Magery with Mage Wep, and penalty compensated for by jewels.

I can take 1 hit from a bow, and get 90+ Damage from the bow, specials, and hit effects, from a stealth archer that pops out of nowhere. MY 120 Mage with 120 EI can't even para 9 out of 10 faction people. And that tenth is carrying a trapped box. My FS if i can get one off does 30 PTS if i am lucky.

My Tamer archer lasts about 1.2 seconds to the stealth archers. I can't even target before im dead.

I spent the other day training Anat on my Mystic Mage, then logged onto Stratics to find I had wasted the whole day.

I have not logged into game for more than 10 mins at a time in the last three days.

One could say my frustration level is fairly high.

 

[A Rev]

No offense JFK but if your dying on a tamer archer to a stealth archer you probably might want to leave factions!!!

The insane damage is a topic for another thread discussing the power of archers.

Even with those points brought up i still see no reason as to not have faction fighting on all facets.

TBH when i look around GL at the events half of the greifing[spamming etc] is coming from faction chars...it would be nice to be able to silence them.

I seriously doubt it would discourage PvPers from joining factions if they had to face it on all facets. It WOULD discourage point farming trammy PvMers.

Hell it might even stop point hording, if they cant even log on that char in the safety of tram, it might prevent them full stop [doubt it but maybe]

 

[Lorelei Rage]

Well I do not know anything about GL I only play ATL, but before any decisions I would love for the gms to come to ATL because quit frankly pots doing 150 damage in one hit to my greater is nuts then another 35 with the bow and then cause I flaged on him he can see me stealthed in his auto map for apparently up to 10 screens away. This on all facets will get super frustrating... sometimes I just have to leave and do something else... you should come play on ATL.

See on ATL there is not much point hording they are on physical chars that pvp. You can tell cause there are no point holders in the top 20 or even close for that matter. What you need to stop is hmmmm tb saying to a guy in com come lets go to town and kill each other for triple. This is how the points rack up but now you get one of the top five and you get them in town just that one kill is about 100k pts. Personally I dont see how you are going to put a stop to the points being out of control because no matter what you do they will do something to get around it.

 

[A Rev]

See on ATL there is not much point hording they are on physical chars that pvp. You can tell cause there are no point holders in the top 20 or even close for that matter. What you need to stop is hmmmm tb saying to a guy in com come lets go to town and kill each other for triple. This is how the points rack up but now you get one of the top five and you get them in town just that one kill is about 100k pts. Personally I dont see how you are going to put a stop to the points being out of control because no matter what you do they will do something to get around it.

Not having a go about atl...in fact this is kind of a rant at GL.

100k points is nothing per kill anymore...you can get 10mil a kill!!!

The problem started because a few lame BC decided they would make faction guilds in all factions and do the point farming you mentioned. They are now almost no1 rank all shards because of this nubism.

This will be fixed when the wipe comes in and the warzone bonus is removed.

The way i wanted PvP all shards to be maintained is to have guards in towns, basically it would be similar to the way Siege operates for non faction fighting.

 

[georgemarvin2001]

Yeah, a half-dozen of my faction enemies camped right outside my Malas vendor house, waiting to pounce during the recall lag and loot all the expensive items I'm selling would DEFINITELY be the end of faction participation for me.

I still remember the anxiety every time I recalled home when I was located on the road just outside Brit before Tram was published. It was a coin toss whether I would be ganked before I could move.

Most of the faction players don't live in Fel, they just play there. Bringing factions to their Tram ruleset homes would be a very, very bad idea.

 

[Tina Small]

I'd like to know how someone else can pop your stealther out of hiding and yet you don't see any kind of message on your screen to explain what happened. There's no "you fail in your attempt to move unnoticed" because you failed at stealthing and no "You have been revealed!" message because they used Detect Hidden. You didn't recently shove something invisible out of the way and become visible (which gives no system message about your visibility). You're just all of a sudden visible and being attacked. The character that's attacking you didn't use a spell of any sort or throw a potion in your direction. You're just inexplicably visible....

If it's my fault that the character was able to be revealed, I'm more than willing to accept the situation. But no system messages of any kind when it happens leaves me a bit baffled about what I did wrong and how to improve and have less chance of it happening in the future.

 

[ReaperNI]

to jfk there are many times where i go out and get killed on all my chars and there are days that gte a few kills on one guy.theres good days and bad days. as far factions in tram go well i would still have to say this game has become to much of a gank fest to make factions in tram i would have a problem with it if it werent so crowed. imo i liked the game alot better when there was no fel/tram. but who knows what it would be like now?TYR

 

[georgemarvin2001]

Why not just get rid of all the factions, and go back to the old pre-AOS Order/Chaos system? We could get a faction shield that was better than any of the other shields, but were subject to being attacked anywhere from members of the other faction. All of the faction items would be the same as the old order/chaos: Only the character who joined the faction and paid the silver could wear the items, but they would be freely lootable by members of the other faction. If you lost the item, you would have to buy another one. The char that took it couldn't use it, though, so the only reason to take it would be to make your char mad. Forget about faction stat loss, taxes, having to wait to leave, all the other AOS grief systems. Just make a fun way for characters to fight each other without murder counts, and with some fun incentives. I will give the AOS team credit for one idea that wasn't really bad: Having them fight over control of towns is actually fun.

 

[Lorelei Rage]

I'd like to know how someone else can pop your stealther out of hiding and yet you don't see any kind of message on your screen to explain what happened. There's no "you fail in your attempt to move unnoticed" because you failed at stealthing and no "You have been revealed!" message because they used Detect Hidden. You didn't recently shove something invisible out of the way and become visible (which gives no system message about your visibility). You're just all of a sudden visible and being attacked. The character that's attacking you didn't use a spell of any sort or throw a potion in your direction. You're just inexplicably visible....

If it's my fault that the character was able to be revealed, I'm more than willing to accept the situation. But no system messages of any kind when it happens leaves me a bit baffled about what I did wrong and how to improve and have less chance of it happening in the future.

No Tina I am not revealed, didnt walk into anything, didnt do a spell nothing like that.... once I flag on them they can see me for apparently up to 10 screens away while stealthed there is no getting away it is a script from flagging on them.

 

[Lorelei Rage]

Oh and they DONT pop me out of stealthed they kill me in stealth mode just like the skill us useless quite frankly it is bs.

 

[Tina Small]

No Tina I am not revealed, didnt walk into anything, didnt do a spell nothing like that.... once I flag on them they can see me for apparently up to 10 screens away while stealthed there is no getting away it is a script from flagging on them.

In my case, there's no flagging involved. The only time the character that this happened to recently was visible was while she was removing traps in a couple of locations. I used tracking before removing the traps to see if anyone was nearby in each of the possible forms (nothing came up but that is no guarantee). I also had to use detect hidden to see the traps to take them out. So I'm not sure anyone even had my thief's bar up to begin with. It's possible they did if they were nearby and tracking and detect didn't find them and it's definitely possible they picked her up on tracking. That particular thief isn't quite GM in hiding (96.6) but has 120 stealthing. However, seeing yourself visible with no warning and being attacked....baffling to say the least. Discouraging....definitely. I enjoy the cat and mouse aspect of playing a faction thief/trap remover. But there's no point in doing it against people who don't follow the same rules that you yourself do.

 

[Vandetta]

i have 6 faction chars all wearing faction gear up to rank 10. only bummed a few points to get them going at the start but never farmed them. i pvp with all of them but also do some tram stuff. the suits take a long time to make and it would be very anoying if i couldnt take them into tram to play anymore because my arties drop off... would be the end of my playing i think if this was to happen.

make it factions anywhere. case settled.

 

[Vandetta]

Yeah, a half-dozen of my faction enemies camped right outside my Malas vendor house, waiting to pounce during the recall lag and loot all the expensive items I'm selling would DEFINITELY be the end of faction participation for me.

I still remember the anxiety every time I recalled home when I was located on the road just outside Brit before Tram was published. It was a coin toss whether I would be ganked before I could move.

Most of the faction players don't live in Fel, they just play there. Bringing factions to their Tram ruleset homes would be a very, very bad idea.

but this is part of factions! you are part of the problem! that char should not be for one living in fel or in factions. if your that worried have a seperate blue char for this stuff. from what i see in your post you are exactly the faction player we are trying to eliminate.
and when it comes to the housing. i play on pac i can only name one active faction pvp player that has a tram house and its a luna house.

 

[Lorelei Rage]

Tina it is a script - this is the kind of stuff that we are talking about when we are saying they are cheating on ATL. Bring a stealth archer or stealter than can flag to atlantic wont be long before you know exactly what we are talking about. The scripting is out of control, and now not just a few doing it, now an ENTIRE ALLIANCE in faction running this stuff. Is very discouraging and I want to know where I sign for PUNKBUSTER got a message about it and it is dated 2/5/10 I want to know when we download it maybe then things will change.

 

[Trebr Drab]

Yeah, a half-dozen of my faction enemies camped right outside my Malas vendor house, waiting to pounce during the recall lag and loot all the expensive items I'm selling would DEFINITELY be the end of faction participation for me.

I still remember the anxiety every time I recalled home when I was located on the road just outside Brit before Tram was published. It was a coin toss whether I would be ganked before I could move.

Most of the faction players don't live in Fel, they just play there. Bringing factions to their Tram ruleset homes would be a very, very bad idea.

but this is part of factions! you are part of the problem! that char should not be for one living in fel or in factions. if your that worried have a seperate blue char for this stuff. from what i see in your post you are exactly the faction player we are trying to eliminate.
and when it comes to the housing. i play on pac i can only name one active faction pvp player that has a tram house and its a luna house.

No, it's not part of factions. That's why factions doesn't work in Trammel. It was never intended to be part of factions.
It seems that George is not part of the problem, rather you are. What with your gank for lewts mentality and all. It's supposed to be a war for the lands of Felucca, not a gank fest.

 

[Tina Small]

Is very discouraging and I want to know where I sign for PUNKBUSTER got a message about it and it is dated 2/5/10 I want to know when we download it maybe then things will change.

A message from EA??? Wow.

 

[Lorelei Rage]

http://www.uo.com/punkbuster_faq.html

The message was not from EA was from a friend. But I cant wait til they enable it. Just hope the shard they pick for anything goes is not ATL.

 

[jtw1984]

http://www.uo.com/punkbuster_faq.html

The message was not from EA was from a friend. But I cant wait til they enable it. Just hope the shard they pick for anything goes is not ATL.

This actually isn't new. This was brought up a few years ago. The article itself is a few years old. The date at the top stays current with today's date. Just part of the HTML coding.

Here is the link that put the idea on hold from November 15, 2006

http://www.uo.com/cgi-bin/newstools.pl?Article=9619

 

[jfkeach]

No offense JFK but if your dying on a tamer archer to a stealth archer you probably might want to leave factions!!!

The insane damage is a topic for another thread discussing the power of archers.

Even with those points brought up i still see no reason as to not have faction fighting on all facets.

TBH when i look around GL at the events half of the greifing[spamming etc] is coming from faction chars...it would be nice to be able to silence them.

I seriously doubt it would discourage PvPers from joining factions if they had to face it on all facets. It WOULD discourage point farming trammy PvMers.

Hell it might even stop point hording, if they cant even log on that char in the safety of tram, it might prevent them full stop [doubt it but maybe]

On atlantic.. if there is ONE stealth Archer, there are 1-4 more right there with him. U can see teans of them with very simple tactics actually. One drags off your pet, 2-3 kill you. With imbued bows, the Damage is insane. Especially when you got three hitting you at once and pots coming out of nowhere as well.

 

[jtw1984]

On atlantic.. if there is ONE stealth Archer, there are 1-4 more right there with him. U can see teans of them with very simple tactics actually. One drags off your pet, 2-3 kill you. With imbued bows, the Damage is insane. Especially when you got three hitting you at once and pots coming out of nowhere as well.

jfk, the damage can be insane. However it should be fixed some. Alot of archers using the explosion pots were also running a bug which gave them I believe 150 str, 150 dex, and 150 int. Plus, from what I heard 150 archery.

So basically they never missed, they could special dump on you like crazy, and they had the stamina to swing full speed all the time.

I've noticed a huge difference since they supposedly fixed the way they were doing it. Maybe I need to go check to make sure it is fixed.

 

[Tina Small]

I've noticed a huge difference since they supposedly fixed the way they were doing it. Maybe I need to go check to make sure it is fixed.

They probably just took a night or two off because a client patch temporarily stymied their scripting.

 

[Raconteur]

Pee,Rage,& Nyx....heres a poll question for you. Should you guys even be allowed to wear Faction Gear or even be In Factions If all you guys do Is fight from a house. You guys ponder that one...I'll wait.

 

[Llewen]

Pee,Rage,& Nyx....heres a poll question for you. Should you guys even be allowed to wear Faction Gear or even be In Factions If all you guys do Is fight from a house. You guys ponder that one...I'll wait.

Here's a thought, if you don't like house fighting, don't fight characters in houses. Most house fighting occurs around Yew gate, so if you don't enjoy that experience, don't go to Yew gate. At least on my chosen shard there's plenty of pvp action to be found at spawns, and there are no houses there...

 

[Nyx (Atl)]

Pee,Rage,& Nyx....heres a poll question for you. Should you guys even be allowed to wear Faction Gear or even be In Factions If all you guys do Is fight from a house. You guys ponder that one...I'll wait.

While you ponder that, may I suggest you brushing up on your sentence structure/use of capitals within a sentence? Your insults may be more effective if you sounded at least half intelligent. You keep waiting...looks like it may be a while since aside from you not being able to type out a complete thought, you don't even know who is in which faction now.

 

[Lorelei Rage]

OMG you people crack me up! I sometimes wonder what you are all smokin and/or drinking. We spawn regularly. And yeah there are times I am in the house but how the hell am I supposed to pvp a dragon in the house be real now. But it is funny when we have you guys stuck in your houses cause you know that happens too! Pisst by the way SL is growing watch out.

Yes NYX people do not pay attention.

 

[MikeD]

Let them talk trash. It wont happen much longer...

My whole guild is training up on atlantic. (even a few enemy faction members from my shard are joining us as well)

 

[Lorelei Rage]

It is bs with this hacking and cheating.

Lets do another poll: How many people would sign up for a class action law suit! I know the terms and agreement I signed are being violated and nothing is being done. Ban them!

 

[vitamin]

i will sign that lawsuit. why do they have terms of service when all terms are being violated. the hacking and using 3rd party is outta hand gm,s do something . do what you are getting paid for. why should we keep paying for something that is no longer fun why waste our money to not enjoy the game this is so unfair to fair players

 

[Raconteur]

I sorry I jerked yer chain.

I been has been OWNED!

SL Is growing,I guess you guys better buy more houses.