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I believe you have gotten the only answer you will get....unfortunately! Inside information is so hard to investigate. Even when everyone knows it is happening. I have sat in chat rooms listening to respected members of the UO community and the Stratics community talk about how many EM's they know personally ( as in out of game). We all know there are certain players that are at most events on most shards when big drops occur. I think you have to take drops out of the equation where EMs are concerned....there is no doubt there is widespread corruption occurring. Unfortunately, when you remove drops from EM events...the events will die.

But you can institute a ilsnsher arty style drop or a tok rares style drop...make them legendary pieces if you like...or deco or better yet a combination of the two....like the TOk rares were. The Tok rares period was probably one of the best periods in game....IMHO.
 
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OK As one of the anchinets of uo I do understand alot of your fustration at this.
NOW get off your fannys and e mail Mesanna your proof.... Dont just sit there pancakes.
The lady asked if you got proof... Logs, Pics... etc
You cant stop the corruption if you dont have a lead to pursue.....you said you got it so SEND IT.
AS a citizen of UO for the last 18 years it makes me very angry that you say or point fingers but do little else but come here and bemoan the situation.
We have advisors who would be happy to listen any complaint. *had personal experience of how fast they can work to fix things*
Mesanna will bend over backwards to listen if given even the smallest snippet of evidence..... beleave me that if you send her information she will act quickly if your proof is correct!
So gather up your proof...
Email the lot.
I dare you to step up and help improve the game.
 

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Mesanna already gave us a direct response. It seemed straight forward enough for me. What other response are people looking for?

I feel bad for the developers, as Mesanna said, you simply can't ever make everyone happy. NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN TO NO END. It's really pathetic to tell you the truth... especially when you consider most of this games population (and Stratics' for the matter) are adults over 30 years old. Don't like EM events or the new drop system? You have the option not to do them.

The accusations of corruption I see posted in this thread don't seem to carry much water (atleast based on what is posted here). Seems like a lot of conspiracy theory and paranoia.
 

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Mesanna already gave us a direct response. It seemed straight forward enough for me. What other response are people looking for?

I feel bad for the developers, as Mesanna said, you simply can't ever make everyone happy. NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN TO NO END. It's really pathetic to tell you the truth... especially when you consider most of this games population (and Stratics' for the matter) are adults over 30 years old. Don't like EM events or the new drop system? You have the option not to do them.

The accusations of corruption I see posted in this thread don't seem to carry much water (atleast based on what is posted here). Seems like a lot of conspiracy theory and paranoia.
This is true and I've heard plenty of accusations of corruption... I tell Mesanna about them too.

As for complaining my complaints of late have been on the function of the EC. But Bleak has been working on that and I'm getting more hopeful. Can't wait till the "fix" comes into game from them fixing the issue with bars and targets. Soon I hope. As well as fixes for looting the EM boss corpses. Which are still impossible to loot in either the default or with Pinco's.
 

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As for complaining my complaints of late...
Don't worry Mal, my post wasn't geared at you or anyone in particular. Your 'complaints' are usually related to in-game play and are very detailed. I was more so getting at the constant vitriol we see on this board toward anything the developers do and those who constantly whine about the state of the game while not doing anything to improve conditions. I guess that's what these boards are for... but it's a lot of unnecessary hot air (I'm not innocent in that regard either TBH). Just unfortunate to see.
 

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I wouldnt doubt that certain players get inside information for EM events. I wont name names, but yeah i would be willing to bet a castle or two on it. I say this with my whole heart. The EM system is corrupt, plain and simple. Always has been always will be.

With that said I will say the current system is the fairest system i have ever seen.


Personally, Momma always told me to bring enough for everyone or no one. There was probably a good reason why she said that. Either get rid of the drops or make it an everyone drop. Plain and simple the most fair way to do things, that allows for the actual story line to be the focus of the event.
perfectly put....
 

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I believe you have gotten the only answer you will get....unfortunately! Inside information is so hard to investigate. Even when everyone knows it is happening. I have sat in chat rooms listening to respected members of the UO community and the Stratics community talk about how many EM's they know personally ( as in out of game). We all know there are certain players that are at most events on most shards when big drops occur. I think you have to take drops out of the equation where EMs are concerned....there is no doubt there is widespread corruption occurring. Unfortunately, when you remove drops from EM events...the events will die.

But you can institute a ilsnsher arty style drop or a tok rares style drop...make them legendary pieces if you like...or deco or better yet a combination of the two....like the TOk rares were. The Tok rares period was probably one of the best periods in game....IMHO.
I concur
 

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I don't know about other shards, but on Origin, right after an event with a drop I immediately go to the rares forums to see who's selling the drop, and 99% of the time it's someone who doesn't use Origin as their home shard....and 99% of the time it's the same people.

@Larisa AND another reason i simply found UO happiness by simply not doing the events anymore....each to there own i guess
 

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I don't know about other shards, but on Origin, right after an event with a drop I immediately go to the rares forums to see who's selling the drop, and 99% of the time it's someone who doesn't use Origin as their home shard....and 99% of the time it's the same people.

@Larisa AND another reason i simply found UO happiness by simply not doing the events anymore....each to there own i guess
It's the same with Sonoma drops!
 

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This thread is dripping with toxicity. If someone has proof of "corruption" then I hope they send it in, otherwise stahp with the accusations. I go to a lot of events. I see a lot of you all there. The more events you do the more drops you get. It's not too hard to figure out. It's also common knowledge that it's one drop a month per shard, so if a shard hasn't had a drop yet.. and it's the last week of July... chances are it'll be coming soon.
That's why you see a ton of people on drop days. They pay attention to the calendar. Hell one person in the Rares community even updates a calendar for everyone so it's super easy. Here's the link http://teamup.com/ks57d9b3a95bcc0d76/#/
This is a playstyle for quite a few people now. They play UO for the live content because they've usually played for a long time and have done everything else a million times. I am one of these people. I keep track of shards, events, and if a shard has had a drop yet or not. It's fun for me because it's steady play time, a lot of EMs have a regular schedule so it's something you can count on, and it's fun to play with like minded people.
I have two collections of stuff. I am one of those "cross shard" players people talk about with a bitter taste in their mouth. Sorry. It's fun for me. I think a lot of people don't give credit for this being a legitimate play style. I trade and sell and buy and it's always exciting to play along with the story (believe it or not my whole guild does) and try to figure out what kind of boss it's going to be and laugh at each other when we die repeatedly. Curse each other when we get drops and the other doesn't, and then make plans to meet up for the next event. We also have done other UO stuff together, of course, but we have the most fun doing events. Listening to stories that EMs make up (credit where credit is due some of these EMs have come up with some awesome story lines) and just enjoying each other's company.
I wish all of you would do this and stop accusing and being bitter and angry all the time. Stop being so damn miserable. Honestly, you'll live longer. Try to find the good in things instead of always assuming the worst! Someone said he sits in a chat and listens to corruption? Hell, send Mesanna the info and let her log on as you and "listen". That would be the ultimate proof.
Otherwise, if you don't have proof you are just stirring the pot trying to get people riled up about something you have no proof of.
 
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I am still waiting your response to my question; Have you changed the EM drop rates once again and added a point system to them?
What part of this is so confusing?
Hello everyone,
Yes we changed the top attacker system to give extra rewards for the players that are on the shard and do not transfer off.
It does not matter how it was done it just mattered that it was done and she even told you why. What more are you looking for?
 

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Hello everyone,

It seems no matter what we do we can not make everyone happy. Yes we changed the top attacker system to give extra rewards for the players that are on the shard and do not transfer off.....
I'd like to know how this is accomplished. Most of the offsharders use character 1 for battle and character 2 to get the item back to Atlantic to sell.
 

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Oh I love doing events, I don't care much about the drops, I'm one of those weird RP people that loves the story
I'd like to know how this is accomplished. Most of the offsharders use character 1 for battle and character 2 to get the item back to Atlantic to sell.
That's what I said! And technically, at least on Origin, they can be considered *Originals* because their characters have been on Origin for a very long time.

For example, way back when we had to fight the ??? monster in Terra Keep there was a character there who *claimed* he was there to help us, but at the end just grabbed up all of the blackrock that spawned and recalled out leaving the rest of us there to die without getting one piece.

That same character comes to EVERY EM Event we have on Origin to this day! He never logs in any other time, so yeah technically he's been on Origin for years, I know who he is and he is NOT an Original so should not get the *home shard* advantage, however it works.
 

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I'm a strong proponent of making the drops shard bound. But the devs know this would alienate the offsharders -- as Flutter stated that is a gamestyle of many.

I'd like to see the team address multiboxing. I see them at every event. Its so blatant. Why don't the devs or an advisor log in during the events to see for themselves??
 
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Are they paying for character transfer tokens for every off-shard event? I just don't get it. Aren't shard shields a once a month use?
Bear in mind some of the event item collectors work in teams, so if you have 5-6 people in a trusted group having access to one shard shield transfer a month to most shards is not too difficult to arrange, and that lets you move at least 250 items on just one transfer...
 

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yes transfer shields are a once a month thing...but I know people with multiple shields for multiple shards....and this month they move the loot for themselves and a few friends...the next month someone else does.

Look there is NO denying this is happening...period. So remove drops and institute a tokuno style drop and upgrade system. Mes cant or wont resolve the issue and instill confidence back into the system. So ask yourself why wont she???

Make EM's story tellers....and be done with Event drops. I can stand here until I am blue in the face and say....no no EM's arent helping some players...but that is a LIE! OF course they are helping their friends...and their friends are help other friends....There is being naive and then there is being down right dishonest. Dont insult players intelligence....just resolve the situation.
 
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UO will never be a clean game to play. There is way too much of its player base running it. Honestly there is no way to tell one way or another if the people running it are being straight forward. Ive already heard stories about the new "PEC" doing things out of the ordinary to help her friends. Countless Advisors that are "advising" on shards they play on. EMs that leak info to their groups of friends.... Heck even the people that are in the focus group for the new expansion cant keep their mouths shut.

Again there really isnt a way to prove any of it, however, there isnt really a way to disprove any of it either.


However (back to the OP) when the game changes the playing rules and doesnt tell anyone.... that is absolute crap. At that point only certain members of the elite upper echelon know about these changes and exploit it. If mesanna changed the way the drop system works with out telling anyone except her staff, she did a great injustice to the community.
Collusion.
 

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I'd like to know how this is accomplished. Most of the offsharders use character 1 for battle and character 2 to get the item back to Atlantic to sell.

The majority of the "offsharders" have another account that brings back the items. Additionally there are tight knit groups that generally have one person bring back everyone's event items at one time.
 

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I'm a strong proponent of making the drops shard bound. But the devs know this would alienate the offsharders -- as Flutter stated that is a gamestyle of many.

I'd like to see the team address multiboxing. I see them at every event. Its so blatant. Why don't the devs or an advisor log in during the events to see for themselves??

If you did this, the "Offsharders" would still come.

As far as Multi boxing, Mesanna has already said that attended multi boxing is allowed and legal.
 

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As far as Multi boxing, Mesanna has already said that attended multi boxing is allowed and legal.
Multi Clienting is legal, Multi Boxing is NOT legal. Multi Clienting is controlling all clients separately where Multi Boxing is controlling all clients as one. Or have they changed the names to protect the innocent?
 

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Multi Clienting is legal, Multi Boxing is NOT legal. Multi Clienting is controlling all clients separately where Multi Boxing is controlling all clients as one. Or have they changed the names to protect the innocent?


Im sure someone will be along shortly to post the convo with Mesanna at the Meet and Great where she stated that so long as the accounts are attended, they are ok.
 

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Im sure someone will be along shortly to post the convo with Mesanna at the Meet and Great where she stated that so long as the accounts are attended, they are ok.
Which Meet and Greet do you know?
 

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If you did this, the "Offsharders" would still come.

As far as Multi boxing, Mesanna has already said that attended multi boxing is allowed and legal.
Here is a better explanation

Multi-Boxing: requires a program to control multiple characters at once, say if you set a macro on all of the characters, to have one key perform multiple actions on multiple clients at the same time. I'm pretty sure (like 100%) this is illegal, otherwise, you'd see people doing this in pvp.

Dual/Multi-Clienting: is legal, whereas you need to control each character individually, whether it be multiple clients on the same machine or multiple machines.

They made Multi-Clienting legal but Multiboxing is still illegal
 

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Currently you can do either so long as you are attended, without fear of reprisal (According to the link above as well as attending events and seeing it daily)

Does the label, "illegal" mean anything if the mechanism/tool/people that are tasked with enforcing it have admitted they are not enforcing it?

If your argument is that Multipboxing is illegal, I will concede that use of all third party programs is prohibited by EA.
 

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TY for finding that. LMAO That was about the stupidest thing I have ever read. She never stated it was legal but she did infer that they were not looking for it and the only thing they were going to enforce was unattended macroing. Talk about opening up the flood gate, how many other 3rd party programs can we run without UO enforcing them? So can we now use those other programs and will UOStratics let us openly talk about them, way to go Mesanna. Maybe UOStratics should contact UO and get the real answer because Mesanna sure can do the side-step with the best politicians around. Wonders if Messana knows Slick Willie?
 

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What part of this is so confusing?
It does not matter how it was done it just mattered that it was done and she even told you why. What more are you looking for?
Um, she has not full responded to exactly how things were changed? Is there a point system now? Is there also the ability for more drops to drop then what the EM requested?

What about the elephant in the room...could she acknowledge that there somehow was a breach of privileged information to a certain individual that allowed this information to become acquired prior to the rest of the general public?

Again, the email was sent with all proof pointing directly at a few individuals, but since the cats out of the bag it's time for her to actually come out and state what has been changed in depth so that everyone knows
 

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If you did this, the "Offsharders" would still come.

As far as Multi boxing, Mesanna has already said that attended multi boxing is allowed and legal.
thing is, she says something different (always vague) every time shes pressed with these questions. At the very next meet and greet after that one you linked, i asked the same question and was told by Mesanna that multiboxing was viewed by the devs as unattended macroing, and to please report it. However i was also told by her that the devs have no control over the results of reporting. To make a long story short, its like anything else in UO, a matter of failure of enforcement.

Whether or not multiboxing is against the rules, illegal, legal, or illegal but not enforced, it doesnt take much asking around the rares comunity to know what guilds and what people do it. once you know, its a players personal moral decison whether or not to deal with those people involved. the actual legality of the practice really doesnt even matter at that point.
 

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Again, the email was sent with all proof pointing directly at a few individuals, but since the cats out of the bag it's time for her to actually come out and state what has been changed in depth so that everyone knows
Not the first time emails have been sent with no clear response. now what happened to those 50plus videos of a certain guild using multibox programs? My guess is that you'llget your answer when a direct answer to those emails/videos is given (never)
 

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So are we allowed to know which one event per month is worth attending, or is such knowledge only for EM buddies? You know, the kind who were told how this new drop system works?
I attend alot of events, or i used to anyway but kinda taking a summer break. My advice for best chances at making it to the "drop" event: start by attending all of them. after doing this for 6 months or so, youll get to know the EMs style, and (in the case of if theres 2 ems) which EMs do which series of events. theres 1 drop per EM so thats another factor in educated guessing when the "drop" will be. Pay attention to the story, more often than not a drop will take place at the end of a storyline, or at a significant point. Also read the shards write-up on the events. stuff like "classic dungeon crawl" basically means "no drop" while stuff like "main event" means "this is the drop event" Some shards have events split between rp style ones and "combat" ones. the combat ones are the ones drops are at. Once you learn what type of events the EM usually has drops at, or in some cases if a yearly event usually has a drop look for those too. Now do this for every shard you event on (i do about 15 shards, and yes it can be difficult to keep up with all of them)

While im sure there are those that have "insider information" i also think its vastly overexaggerated how much of this corruption actually exists. I do know that theres people that have been attending these events for years and years, and have become very comfortable to know what little things to look for that may give hints that an educated guess can be made of.

like i said, easiest way to not miss the "drop" event is just start by attending all of the events of that shard.

anyway, thats is my brief and hopefully not entirely useless way to "know when the drop will be" lol.
 

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So are we allowed to know which one event per month is worth attending, or is such knowledge only for EM buddies? You know, the kind who were told how this new drop system works?
As of right now I am guessing it's going to remain privileged information...

I have an idea; start going to all the UO meet and greets. Not sure when the next one is going be...Maybe some sort of 18th anniversary bash. Then you can weasel your way into befriending them, get them a little tipsy and they might start spilling the beans!
 

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Facts:
  1. Lots of accusations in this thread with little proof.
  2. No one is owed any explanation from the staff on company decisions.
 

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Facts:
  1. Lots of accusations in this thread with little proof.
  2. No one is owed any explanation from the staff on company decisions.

In response to 1. - The TOS of stratics doesnt allow for proof to be shared, at least in most circumstances.

In response to 2. - Company decisions? You mean game mechanics? Sure the hiring and firing is all company and none of us have an opinion there. However, game mechanics? I think the staff owes every subscriber a message when something significant changes to the way the game works. Thats like saying When you order something from Wendys you have no right to know about the changes they make to your order... I pay for something to work a certain way, I order it that way, i should receive it that way. Its plain and simple very basic customer service.
 

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In response to 1. - The TOS of stratics doesnt allow for proof to be shared, at least in most circumstances.

In response to 2. - Company decisions? You mean game mechanics? Sure the hiring and firing is all company and none of us have an opinion there. However, game mechanics? I think the staff owes every subscriber a message when something significant changes to the way the game works. Thats like saying When you order something from Wendys you have no right to know about the changes they make to your order... I pay for something to work a certain way, I order it that way, i should receive it that way. Its plain and simple very basic customer service.
You pay for the right to log in and use EA's pixels and that is all you pay for. EA owns everything remember and EA thinks that if you do not like it then you are free to stop paying anytime. I know it suxs but you/we agree to this every time we log in and play.
 

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In response to 1. - The TOS of stratics doesnt allow for proof to be shared, at least in most circumstances.

In response to 2. - Company decisions? You mean game mechanics? Sure the hiring and firing is all company and none of us have an opinion there. However, game mechanics? I think the staff owes every subscriber a message when something significant changes to the way the game works. Thats like saying When you order something from Wendys you have no right to know about the changes they make to your order... I pay for something to work a certain way, I order it that way, i should receive it that way. Its plain and simple very basic customer service.
You can "think the staff owes ever subscriber" all you like, it is your prerogative. However the fact is no paperwork or documented contract that states this.
 

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Smoot hit the nail on the head.

The only way to actually know when an EM is going to drop an item is to observe the EM's event style. You have to remember that EM's are a paid creative position. As with anything creative, there is a style to the masterpiece.

Lets look at this from a different perspective shall we. Lets introduce the technique of Leonardo Da Vinci:

Leonardo da Vinci typically painted with oil paint that he made by hand from ground pigments; later in his career, he worked with tempera made from egg whites. His work surface typically would be a canvas or board, or sometimes stone when painting a mural. As da Vinci began a painting, he would start by covering the canvas with a pale gray or brown, using the neutral color for underpainting. Atop of the underpainting, da Vinci would layer transparent glazes within a small range of tones. Typically, the colors used were natural hues; da Vinci never used intense or bold colors or tints in contrasting colors. By using such a small range of colors, he was able to give his finished works a more cohesive appearance.

How does this coincide with Event Moderator Technique?

Leonardo's work could be noticeable either by a distinct signature or by his very known technique. The same principle applies with Event Moderators. Once you figure out the EM's event technique, you can pretty much land when the event drop will be.

EM's Signature: "Main Event"
EM's technique: (look below)

Lets use Great Lakes as an example. These EM's are worlds apart from the other EM's so they catch on and change their technique occasionally to remain fresh and unpredictable. However, a common technique that rarely changes that I have noticed is an event at the first part of the month and an event at the later part of the month. Now since Great Lakes changes their technique some, the day of the drop is mostly guess work. To determine such dates, you look at the name of the event and then look at past event story fiction to see if the event name gives off a principle of importance. If the importance aligns with the current story fiction, then there is a good probability of a drop.


DISCLAIMER: I've been attending EM events for over 6 years. I got to every event, and not just the ones I 'think' will have a drop. I go because I love the creative style of the EM's and the fiction they provide. Now, before I get labeled a filthy rares collector, let me acknowledge that Rares Collecting is indeed a playstyle like PVP and PVM is. I attend events, get an item here and now and then, and if it doesn't fit my collection, I sell it to have funds to purchase other items that fit my collection. It's a play style and a business, and the first step to learning how play a playstyle is to learn the business of such.
 

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@Longtooths and @Lord Frodo Technically i completely agree with you that there is no contract to state they have to tell us anything of whats going on. You are absolutely correct in that fact.

However that doesnt make it right, or at the very least acceptable. If the electric company decided to change their service, i would get an announcement. If my bank changes service, i would get an announcement. If apple itunes changes service, i would get an announcement. In fact to some degree they are required by law to at the least make an announcement, with some being required to have us resign a contract.

With that said, im not saying UO has to do such things. The point is they should do such things.

Collusion.
 

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@Scribbles we are not saying it is right or wrong we are just stating the fact that we UO players have very little to no rights when it comes to EA/BS/DAoC/UO. Yes it would be nice to know but they are under no obligation to even tell us anything. Tomorrow you could wake up and all the shards are gone but 1 for each cost (US only) along with all toons houses and whatever you can think of and you have a choice to cancel or play. EA not only owns the playground but the balls to and can do what they want.
 
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