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EA-LAND HEADING FOR A DEPRESSION AND MOST STORES AGREE

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Anyway back on topic,

In my opinion respect should be gained by always helping out a player or having (in this case selling) what they need without having them ask, if they ask try to get it but if you cant afford it apologize. And possibly direct them to a lot that may have what they are looking for. My store lot has a sign from me apologizing how my store is organized and looks (it has a hut in which me and my roomies live in because were short on $) and it also apologizes about not being able to do custom orders, so I leave a list of lots I know that have certain things I dont.

It should not be gained or taken away depending on how much you are available. I mean, I can go afk to go pee cant I, but what happens in between, by the time I get back from the restroom, someone has already left my lot and left me a message saying how rude I was for being afk...
 
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hey you should read my other blogs im like taking over lol there called afk and money and afkers in stores : (

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Invasion of the independents, *shakes head* not good, not good...
 
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i've been doing a poll on ea-land to most of the store owners,

90% of them said they CANT restock

50% said they are switching or selling hosue to become a roomie.

out of those 90 that said they cant restock, 40% said they'd quit the game all togeher!

if you do CC's your ok, but if you dont anythign else, your screwed

another said this. "tell me about it and you have to skill to ge there and the skilling ppl are taking it the hardest because ppl are using the bookcases like crazy causing them to wear and break and then cant afford to buy another one.

all of them said yes to the main idea being good. they said there happy that they are trying to get new ppl to do different types of houses, but if only we all could afford to put things in them ROFL

update of this is coming up soon : ) whats your say on this subject?

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After giving this much thought, the current economic situation can be profitable for many ventures.

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1. Ofcourse, the CC lots, they will be profitable but not everyone can make CC.
2. Real Estate, if not everyone can buy and/or upgrade lots due to lack of money, people who sell, can make a profit by selling under the lots value, but by still selling for a bit more than what they paid to buy/upgrade the lot.
3. Discount Stores, many stores, including my self have wearhouses, they can afford to make cheap items. Of course until the stock runs out, but by the time that happens, if the lot owners restocked only with their merged items, they should have made a small or even a big fortune. Since they didn't lose any $ by buying catalog items.
4. Condos &amp; Town Houses - since not everyone can afford to buy lots, people who provide Condo &amp; Town House/Apartment services can make a profit by charging say $250 a week for a room. 8 Roommates x $250 = $2,000 a week + $500 you get for paying for EA Land = $2,500 a week, $2,500 x 4 = $10,000 a month, $10,000 x12 = $120,000 a year.

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5. Player run RP businesses such as a hotel. Since there are a ton of homeless sims out there, giving them the option to rent out a room for cheaper than an Apartment or Town House, which would give them a much smaller room. For say $150 a week, thats again profitable! Or allowing people to rent a room but not be roommates there for say $50 a stay lol.
6. Auction Houses - Since again, many people cant afford the prices of a catalog item, or the prices of a store item. Players who hold auctions, to sell of things they might not need that have been used, can cover some of the costs (maybe not all of them) of buying those items. For ex. I buy a lamp for $100, its now 50% wear, I auction it off for $50, at least I covered 50% of what I paid for the lamp.
 
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some of the hosues i have interviewed said that becasue ppl know that store owners cant restock at that price, they have boughten as much stuff as they could incase this continues to be a problem
 
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I guess, but by what I mean is merged items. Items that were bought back in AV,BF,CC, etc... and brought here. If they stock with those items, instead of stocking by buying from the catalog, they will make a bigger profit because they wont loose money on restocking from the catalog.
 
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Predicting a recession when there could very well be an economy reset when the game comes out of beta doesn't mean much to me.

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I can't see how that can really be possible when they have allowed ppl to cash in, using real money. To wipe that, would be the equivilant of theft.

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NO it wouldn't because of the word *beta*. When you play a beta game you accept some inherent risks. Necessary wipes in the event of data corruption is one of those risks and every single person who uses the ATM either is or should be aware of that fact, so they do so at their own risk. That's not theft, that's ignorance on the part of the buyer as to what they were risking....but it's all there in black and white so the only reason people are ignorant is because they choose not to make themselves informed.
 
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Of course yes, ppl will sell their used stuff very cheaply - or maybe they'll salvage it and sell the parts/wood etc instead.

Perhaps we will see a little more specialisation in stores in future, rather then selling everything, stores will not worry when they run out of a certain item because they no longer intend to stock it.

Also as items change hands and are redistributed around the world and new players join, the prices will change.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not in favour of the huge prices either. I found that my sim from BF arrived with over 50 pet carriers. I had obviously been pet pulling one day didn't delete them and then must have forgotten to go back to BF before the merge. I thought ok, I'll start a pet store - sell off the crates cheap to newbies but at a steady profit to me and then do something else. Until I saw the price of pet accessories and realised that I couldn't afford to stock one single pet bed !!

I must admit I'm not sure if costs are based on the number of items versus the number of people owning them, or the number of people in the game period. It obviously makes a big difference to how quickly the prices will go down and next time I see one of the devs I'll be sure to ask.

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This is a typical cheerleader set of posts you made. Your first post was a smart ass insult to OPs poll. Now all of a sudden you find the prices would affect YOUR game play, so you are now going to ask one of the developers about it.

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She was smartassed as you put it because the OP made it sound like his poll was official and actually a real representation of the overall picture. *Later* he admitted it isn't/wasn't. Also, *anybody* can ask a dev directly about a problem that they have. All their official capacity sims are well known in EA Land and TC3. There's no reason anybody should HAVE to find out the answer to a question for anybody but themselves. If Polly said she would and report back here, then the appropriate answer to her is "thanks, let us know what you find out", NOT the insults you hurled. Capiche?
 
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Predicting a recession when there could very well be an economy reset when the game comes out of beta doesn't mean much to me.

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I can't see how that can really be possible when they have allowed ppl to cash in, using real money. To wipe that, would be the equivilant of theft.

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NO it wouldn't because of the word *beta*. When you play a beta game you accept some inherent risks. Necessary wipes in the event of data corruption is one of those risks and every single person who uses the ATM either is or should be aware of that fact, so they do so at their own risk. That's not theft, that's ignorance on the part of the buyer as to what they were risking....but it's all there in black and white so the only reason people are ignorant is because they choose not to make themselves informed.

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There should be a disclaimer sentence in bold red on the webpage the ATM connects to telling everyone that even ATM $ can be wiped and there not liable for that and wont have to return $.
 
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well i still think we should pick a certain date and all shops should spend half other day open and then the rest of the day spending doing what WE wanna do. because apearently we shopping owners just seem to be afkers and they cant deal with it so im thinking .....ok well lets just not be open ...we want respect or no sales lol

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Or you could just close permanently............
 
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Predicting a recession when there could very well be an economy reset when the game comes out of beta doesn't mean much to me.

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I can't see how that can really be possible when they have allowed ppl to cash in, using real money. To wipe that, would be the equivilant of theft.

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NO it wouldn't because of the word *beta*. When you play a beta game you accept some inherent risks. Necessary wipes in the event of data corruption is one of those risks and every single person who uses the ATM either is or should be aware of that fact, so they do so at their own risk. That's not theft, that's ignorance on the part of the buyer as to what they were risking....but it's all there in black and white so the only reason people are ignorant is because they choose not to make themselves informed.

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There should be a disclaimer sentence in bold red on the webpage the ATM connects to telling everyone that even ATM $ can be wiped and there not liable for that and wont have to return $.

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They don't have to do that, all they have to do is put it in the ToS, which is there for everybody to read. There's no reason they should have to put it out there on every single page or document....the ToS is sufficient along with the word *beta*. If some players are not familiar with what all is involved in the beta process, then it is up to them to gain that information. EA already has it in black and white, and that's all they are legally required to do.
 
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well i still think we should pick a certain date and all shops should spend half other day open and then the rest of the day spending doing what WE wanna do. because apearently we shopping owners just seem to be afkers and they cant deal with it so im thinking .....ok well lets just not be open ...we want respect or no sales lol

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Or you could just close permanently............

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now thats just a litle rude, why would ppl wanna close there houses down?
 
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Predicting a recession when there could very well be an economy reset when the game comes out of beta doesn't mean much to me.

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I can't see how that can really be possible when they have allowed ppl to cash in, using real money. To wipe that, would be the equivilant of theft.

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NO it wouldn't because of the word *beta*. When you play a beta game you accept some inherent risks. Necessary wipes in the event of data corruption is one of those risks and every single person who uses the ATM either is or should be aware of that fact, so they do so at their own risk. That's not theft, that's ignorance on the part of the buyer as to what they were risking....but it's all there in black and white so the only reason people are ignorant is because they choose not to make themselves informed.

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There should be a disclaimer sentence in bold red on the webpage the ATM connects to telling everyone that even ATM $ can be wiped and there not liable for that and wont have to return $.

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They don't have to do that, all they have to do is put it in the ToS, which is there for everybody to read. There's no reason they should have to put it out there on every single page or document....the ToS is sufficient along with the word *beta*. If some players are not familiar with what all is involved in the beta process, then it is up to them to gain that information. EA already has it in black and white, and that's all they are legally required to do.

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I know they don't have to do that.

But it would sure save them a lot time if they don't have to argue with people about this if a wipe does occur.

Its a fact that 99.9% of us don't read a ToS when we click accept.
 
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Predicting a recession when there could very well be an economy reset when the game comes out of beta doesn't mean much to me.

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I can't see how that can really be possible when they have allowed ppl to cash in, using real money. To wipe that, would be the equivilant of theft.

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NO it wouldn't because of the word *beta*. When you play a beta game you accept some inherent risks. Necessary wipes in the event of data corruption is one of those risks and every single person who uses the ATM either is or should be aware of that fact, so they do so at their own risk. That's not theft, that's ignorance on the part of the buyer as to what they were risking....but it's all there in black and white so the only reason people are ignorant is because they choose not to make themselves informed.

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There should be a disclaimer sentence in bold red on the webpage the ATM connects to telling everyone that even ATM $ can be wiped and there not liable for that and wont have to return $.

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They don't have to do that, all they have to do is put it in the ToS, which is there for everybody to read. There's no reason they should have to put it out there on every single page or document....the ToS is sufficient along with the word *beta*. If some players are not familiar with what all is involved in the beta process, then it is up to them to gain that information. EA already has it in black and white, and that's all they are legally required to do.

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I know they don't have to do that.

But it would sure save them a lot time if they don't have to argue with people about this if a wipe does occur.

Its a fact that 99.9% of us don't read a ToS when we click accept.

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And that's EA's problem exactly why? If people click buttons without reading what they agree to, then that is on them, plain and simple. EA is not our parent and there's no reason they should have to chase players down proverbially wiping noses and butts (hopefully in that order if they did it
) We are all supposed to be adults or older teens....it's time we take responsibility for our actions and inactions, IMO.
 
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I know, but just putting a simple sentence on the page, would save them a ton of time. I guarantee if a wipe were to happen, then all those people would jump up in a instant and start arguing only to be told off one by one that EA is not liable for losing your simoleans that you paid for during a BETA test.

It would be funny if they put something in the ToS about an extra $2.00 fee added to the $9.99 and no one would know until they saw their bill or read the ToS (which is unlikely) lol.
 
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And that's EA's problem exactly why? If people click buttons without reading what they agree to, then that is on them, plain and simple. EA is not our parent and there's no reason they should have to chase players down proverbially wiping noses and butts (hopefully in that order if they did it
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i agree with that part, but i dont agree that you told store owners to closed there houses down
 
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And that's EA's problem exactly why? If people click buttons without reading what they agree to, then that is on them, plain and simple. EA is not our parent and there's no reason they should have to chase players down proverbially wiping noses and butts (hopefully in that order if they did it
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i agree with that part, but i dont agree that you told store owners to closed there houses down

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That particular comment was for you specifically....if you're in burnout as much as you seem to be over all the 'disrespectful' players, then maybe it's time to shut your doors TFN and as you say just enjoy the game that YOU want to play. Otherwise, I don't think encouraging a 12 hour strike for all store owners is a very good way to build the community, ya know?
 
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i agree with that part, but i dont agree that you told store owners to closed there houses down

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That particular comment was for you specifically....if you're in burnout as much as you seem to be over all the 'disrespectful' players, then maybe it's time to shut your doors TFN and as you say just enjoy the game that YOU want to play. Otherwise, I don't think encouraging a 12 hour strike for all store owners is a very good way to build the community, ya know?


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i have no idea what TFN means but anyways im not burnout im just taken back by the price difference as well as other ppl. but that doesnt mean to just QUIT lol. thats not good advice. and my thing was good advice. for all the ppl work there butt of many money at night time just to restock in the morning, i think they should get some time off there lots once in a while. so it was just an idea. i wasnt the only one who thought of it too. other ppl on other threads are talking abt it.
 
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i agree with that part, but i dont agree that you told store owners to closed there houses down

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That particular comment was for you specifically....if you're in burnout as much as you seem to be over all the 'disrespectful' players, then maybe it's time to shut your doors TFN and as you say just enjoy the game that YOU want to play. Otherwise, I don't think encouraging a 12 hour strike for all store owners is a very good way to build the community, ya know?


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i have no idea what TFN means but anyways im not burnout im just taken back by the price difference as well as other ppl. but that doesnt mean to just QUIT lol. thats not good advice. and my thing was good advice. for all the ppl work there butt of many money at night time just to restock in the morning, i think they should get some time off there lots once in a while. so it was just an idea. i wasnt the only one who thought of it too. other ppl on other threads are talking abt it.

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TFN = til further notice aka indefinitely. We all get burned out and the way you are talking is a symptom of it. There's no shame in taking a break but spreading negativity isn't getting anybody anywhere, so if you want to take a break take one but quit encouraging others to do the same. And just because in your opinion something is good advice or not good advice doesn't mean its true either. If you are comfortable with the way you play your game then play it and stop trying to justify it here.
 
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im not the only one who thinks so, read the akers in stores thread. im not the only one who thinks so ..and this is a place where i can SHARE my thoughts. hun if u dont feel comfortable with this me or this topic, then please feel free to switch topics. : )
 
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Personally I'm very impressed that you managed to find 90% of all store's not afk in order to conduct your survey.

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I'd have to agree. Even if 90% of the people who answerd this guy said this, given the AFK epidemic in stores that probably still doesn't represent even 5% of the total population, therefore its not a real survey so the results are not really valid. In order to make it valid you'd have to send messages to every owner and roomie in the top 100, whether they were afk, or offline or whatever the case, and then give them a timeframe to respond in. After that you could say "X number of people responded to my question and X% of them agree" 90% agree you said, but what if you only talked to 10 store owners total, that'd only be 9 people agreeing with you.....it makes a differnece in the end.

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What diff would it make in the end if he did a VALID poll would it change the fact that the prices are outrages and store owners cant restock oh i see what your saying if he polled more non afker store owners they would say no i dont mind not stocking my store because a toilet should be 45k dont you ?? I know im tired of the prices my store looks so empty right now so now make it 6% for the poll.... Oh and this is really simple if you dont like afk stores dont shop there .. cheers...
 
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Personally I'm very impressed that you managed to find 90% of all store's not afk in order to conduct your survey.

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I'd have to agree. Even if 90% of the people who answerd this guy said this, given the AFK epidemic in stores that probably still doesn't represent even 5% of the total population, therefore its not a real survey so the results are not really valid. In order to make it valid you'd have to send messages to every owner and roomie in the top 100, whether they were afk, or offline or whatever the case, and then give them a timeframe to respond in. After that you could say "X number of people responded to my question and X% of them agree" 90% agree you said, but what if you only talked to 10 store owners total, that'd only be 9 people agreeing with you.....it makes a differnece in the end.

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What diff would it make in the end if he did a VALID poll would it change the fact that the prices are outrages and store owners cant restock oh i see what your saying if he polled more non afker store owners they would say no i dont mind not stocking my store because a toilet should be 45k dont you ?? I know im tired of the prices my store looks so empty right now so now make it 6% for the poll.... Oh and this is really simple if you dont like afk stores dont shop there .. cheers...

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sounds great hun but guys IM A SHE NOT A HE LOL
 
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Personally I'm very impressed that you managed to find 90% of all store's not afk in order to conduct your survey.

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I'd have to agree. Even if 90% of the people who answerd this guy said this, given the AFK epidemic in stores that probably still doesn't represent even 5% of the total population, therefore its not a real survey so the results are not really valid. In order to make it valid you'd have to send messages to every owner and roomie in the top 100, whether they were afk, or offline or whatever the case, and then give them a timeframe to respond in. After that you could say "X number of people responded to my question and X% of them agree" 90% agree you said, but what if you only talked to 10 store owners total, that'd only be 9 people agreeing with you.....it makes a differnece in the end.

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What diff would it make in the end if he did a VALID poll would it change the fact that the prices are outrages and store owners cant restock oh i see what your saying if he polled more non afker store owners they would say no i dont mind not stocking my store because a toilet should be 45k dont you ?? I know im tired of the prices my store looks so empty right now so now make it 6% for the poll.... Oh and this is really simple if you dont like afk stores dont shop there .. cheers...

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You're missing part of the point. It's not as simple as 'if you dont like afk stores don't shop there' because the other part of that issue is the stores who want to get high up on the list and can't because the cheaters have put the hours for the top end so far out of reach that it is impossible. If everybody played fairly and by the rules then that problem would not exist. The catalog prices are a whole different side issue that really has nothing to do with 'to be afk or not to be afk'. Nobody said you had to restock in order to be at your keyboard.
 
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What diff would it make in the end if he did a VALID poll would it change the fact that the prices are outrages and store owners cant restock oh i see what your saying if he polled more non afker store owners they would say no i dont mind not stocking my store because a toilet should be 45k dont you ?? I know im tired of the prices my store looks so empty right now so now make it 6% for the poll.... Oh and this is really simple if you dont like afk stores dont shop there .. cheers...

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You're missing part of the point. It's not as simple as 'if you dont like afk stores don't shop there' because the other part of that issue is the stores who want to get high up on the list and can't because the cheaters have put the hours for the top end so far out of reach that it is impossible. If everybody played fairly and by the rules then that problem would not exist. The catalog prices are a whole different side issue that really has nothing to do with 'to be afk or not to be afk'. Nobody said you had to restock in order to be at your keyboard.

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wrong topic hun lol this is the one abt the lack of money not the afkers lol i get mixed up switch back and forth too. hun i agree with all the things your saying. but this topic is mostly SUPPOSED to be about how the prices are so high that we cant restock. that girl was saying that not matter how to poll went shes saying its true, she cant restock. THATS WHAT THE POLL/THREAD IS ALL ABT. abt time we got back on topic lol
 
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Of course yes, ppl will sell their used stuff very cheaply - or maybe they'll salvage it and sell the parts/wood etc instead.

Perhaps we will see a little more specialisation in stores in future, rather then selling everything, stores will not worry when they run out of a certain item because they no longer intend to stock it.

Also as items change hands and are redistributed around the world and new players join, the prices will change.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not in favour of the huge prices either. I found that my sim from BF arrived with over 50 pet carriers. I had obviously been pet pulling one day didn't delete them and then must have forgotten to go back to BF before the merge. I thought ok, I'll start a pet store - sell off the crates cheap to newbies but at a steady profit to me and then do something else. Until I saw the price of pet accessories and realised that I couldn't afford to stock one single pet bed !!

I must admit I'm not sure if costs are based on the number of items versus the number of people owning them, or the number of people in the game period. It obviously makes a big difference to how quickly the prices will go down and next time I see one of the devs I'll be sure to ask.

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This is a typical cheerleader set of posts you made. Your first post was a smart ass insult to OPs poll. Now all of a sudden you find the prices would affect YOUR game play, so you are now going to ask one of the developers about it.

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Excuse me but if being a realist is pathetic then call me a smartass too. I guess some of you don't want to hear the facts about the economy as it is today and FACTS are the only thing that Polly has posted. There is no way of sugar coating this topic as not to offend somone. And some of you are so hung up on calling others cheerleaders. Well, you know I have to laugh at that labeling becasue I fall into that category as well. I think the Dev team will eventually get this economy thing equalled out in due time. If people can't handle playing during the Beta stages of the game, they need to take a break for awhile.
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I find myself, against my better judgment, replying to this train-wreck of a thread, hoping it'll get back on topic; but I had a thought about this whole price thing:

I'm not saying this is absolutely what is happening; but, what if the reason the prices in EA's catalog are so high is because of the sheer number of them already marked for sale in stores? I know that sounds goofy, but if EA is actually trying to encourage reuse of existing items, it makes sense. Once the number of like items marked for sale begins to come down, perhaps the catalog price will drop.

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I find myself, against my better judgment, replying to this train-wreck of a thread, hoping it'll get back on topic; but I had a thought about this whole price thing:

I'm not saying this is absolutely what is happening; but, what if the reason the prices in EA's catalog are so high is because of the sheer number of them already marked for sale in stores? I know that sounds goofy, but if EA is actually trying to encourage reuse of existing items, it makes sense. Once the number of like items marked for sale begins to come down, perhaps the catalog price will drop.

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sounds good and all but if i knew that my only options were to eaither buy 30k for one item or simply sell somebody my old one, STILL NOT BEING ABLET O BUY A NEW ONE or selling mine only to get a used one in return that already has bad wear, sorry i'd just keep my item and call the repair man myself lol

or am i missing the point of this whole trade thing lol. please correct me if im wrong guys.
 
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oh its back on track, just had to take a few different roads to get back lmao
 
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I'd have to agree. Even if 90% of the people who answerd this guy said this, given the AFK epidemic in stores that probably still doesn't represent even 5% of the total population, therefore its not a real survey so the results are not really valid. In order to make it valid you'd have to send messages to every owner and roomie in the top 100, whether they were afk, or offline or whatever the case, and then give them a timeframe to respond in. After that you could say "X number of people responded to my question and X% of them agree" 90% agree you said, but what if you only talked to 10 store owners total, that'd only be 9 people agreeing with you.....it makes a differnece in the end.

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What diff would it make in the end if he did a VALID poll would it change the fact that the prices are outrages and store owners cant restock oh i see what your saying if he polled more non afker store owners they would say no i dont mind not stocking my store because a toilet should be 45k dont you ?? I know im tired of the prices my store looks so empty right now so now make it 6% for the poll.... Oh and this is really simple if you dont like afk stores dont shop there .. cheers...

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You're missing part of the point. It's not as simple as 'if you dont like afk stores don't shop there' because the other part of that issue is the stores who want to get high up on the list and can't because the cheaters have put the hours for the top end so far out of reach that it is impossible. If everybody played fairly and by the rules then that problem would not exist. The catalog prices are a whole different side issue that really has nothing to do with 'to be afk or not to be afk'. Nobody said you had to restock in order to be at your keyboard.

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Im sorry but I have to disagree with alot of this. First, I do go AFK alot with my store sim, but that in no way shape or form makes me a cheater. Earlier today our store had reached our all time high of #30. Now from not even being on the map a week ago I think that is extremely well. What I started doing was teaching in my store. I not only accomplished gaining visitors, but I also eliminated alot of boredom. When i'm not teaching I do bring on another sim but that is mainly to make jams or paint to earn extra cash.(BTW, that's why i go AFK) I have never used a free account nor have I put more than 1 sim AFK on my property. People have alot of different strategies for becoming sucessful but this really is completely off base to what the OP ask for. None of this has a thing to do with the catalog prices and as long as they remain this outrageous, I won't buy from it.
 
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Im sorry but I have to disagree with alot of this. First, I do go AFK alot with my store sim, but that in no way shape or form makes me a cheater. Earlier today our store had reached our all time high of #30. Now from not even being on the map a week ago I think that is extremely well. What I started doing was teaching in my store. I not only accomplished gaining visitors, but I also eliminated alot of boredom. When i'm not teaching I do bring on another sim but that is mainly to make jams or paint to earn extra cash. I have never used a free account nor have I put more than 1 sim AFK on my property. People have alot of different strategies for becoming sucessful but this really is completely off base to what the OP ask for. None of this has a thing to do with the catalog prices and as long as remain this outrageous, I won't buy from it.

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( BOWS DOWN TO YOU) THANK YOU ... i kept telling ppl..um wrong thread lol. but yeah ppl keep on saying my polls isnt right. but as you are seeing..yes it is. and ppl are agreeing with me. and im write ppl WONT restock and WONT buy items that are sold and even half that price.
 
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Thank god I stocked 3 lots with items that mergeded so atleast Im good to go and if I run out of stock ill leave the store bizz with a small profit
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Right now, I'm not restocking from catalog but from my wearhouse so I make a 100% profit for now.

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This is why the catalog prices are so high.
 
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yeah and it makes sence tho. im not gonna restock lol nobody can lol. but yeah the ppl would have not taken so much in the eventory had they of known it was gonna cause this much crazyness lol. but THEY DIDNT tell us anything abt this until its already a problem at large
 
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Im sorry but I have to disagree with alot of this. First, I do go AFK alot with my store sim, but that in no way shape or form makes me a cheater. Earlier today our store had reached our all time high of #30. Now from not even being on the map a week ago I think that is extremely well. What I started doing was teaching in my store. I not only accomplished gaining visitors, but I also eliminated alot of boredom. When i'm not teaching I do bring on another sim but that is mainly to make jams or paint to earn extra cash. I have never used a free account nor have I put more than 1 sim AFK on my property. People have alot of different strategies for becoming sucessful but this really is completely off base to what the OP ask for. None of this has a thing to do with the catalog prices and as long as remain this outrageous, I won't buy from it.

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( BOWS DOWN TO YOU) THANK YOU ... i kept telling ppl..um wrong thread lol. but yeah ppl keep on saying my polls isnt right. but as you are seeing..yes it is. and ppl are agreeing with me. and im write ppl WONT restock and WONT buy items that are sold and even half that price.

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i agree
 
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I stocked up a few of my sims to object limit before the merges and now I have a good amounts to sell, but its exactly like everyone says about not being able to restock later. I may get a handful of cash but theres not much to spend it on again (until I find my sims cd and attempt to make cc lol).
 
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independent117

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so wait let me get his clear lmao are you saying after you restock the things you have in your iventory, you wont be able to RESTOCK again due to the price difference? just trying to get this straight lol
 
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well from 1 who is not afk and was polled...

no, i dont think its heading in the right direction unless you know how to do cc
people arent deleting un-used items, they are selling them or trading them. in 15 minutes i had 3 people IM me asking if i buy used items....prices arent going to decrease they way they anticipate them unless i am at a total mis-understanding of how this new economy is upposed to work. who will delete when u can sell? how many people who take breaks from the game delete what they have before they do? people are just building and buying more and more. you want to genereate more new paying players? more items...higher prices...
If you do cc, you have it made....if you dont, you wont be there for long until you deplete the inventories you came with and start stocking the cheap items.

if the afking ones are such a problem which all that seems to be the comment, why isnt something being done about it then so the ones who arent afking dont take the bad rap for the rest? top 100 list? get rid of it....yes,they are going to lose some paying accounts from the top houses but it will even the playing field for the rest. as for the list....break it down. give each category a sub category...a store? main category....appliance, sub category, or custom content, or clothing...not to say you cant sell anything else but just make more categories....more categories = more lists = more houses that can be on there = more fair for those with 1 account
make it more fair ? dont make it top 100 of the sub categories.....
make it top 100 of sub categories open and on line at that time
now when you look up a list you look at skill house then pick a sub category like cooking and see the list of open cooking houses ....
make the prices for stores as they were, give us a sub cateogry to pick from, give us the discounts in that category only.....
the idea behind the new economy was great, incentive to build (if u can afford) new places that arent there because its economic. i just dont see it heading that way at all.

edit** she said of the 90% of stores polled.......not 90 % of stores.....so the afkers missed out on having any input

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I like the idea of lots of subcategories and the top 100 all being lots that are online at the moment. But it wouldn't hurt to still have another top 100 thats rated each week based on hours. I think a little competition is healthy, but a monopoly like I've often seen in sim homes is not.
 
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The game is in beta testing.

We all really need to sit back and relax about this stuff until beta is over.

Predicting a recession when there could very well be an economy reset when the game comes out of beta doesn't mean much to me.

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I absolutely agree!! I had a roomie at one of the larger houses yesterday rudely snap at another player and I because they were upset about the economy, and then they started yelling about quitting, complained about the other player being new, and logged before she could reply.

I'm getting really tired of that attitude. Some players aren't even taking the beta testing into consideration.

I know new things might be hard to adjust to if you were fond of the old game, but the fact is, the company has to make money to keep the game running at all. This wave of changes may be difficult at first, but not all of the changes will stay and many more will adjust as the beta testers work out whats good and whats not.

I can't imagine the people at Maxis and EA just watching the economy die. It IS very frustrating, but it will take time to work it out. They don't instantly have all the answers. Thats what TESTING is all about.

I plan to give them a chance to work things out. I wish more players would give them the benefit of a doubt.
 
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When TC merged with TC3 quite a few people stocked up stores in TC to sell in TC3. Exactly the same thing happened there as is happening in EAL now.
I do my share of complaining in here and I feel I have good reason.
The things I complain about are where EA has made mistakes that are costing us all that could have and should have been avoided.
Many of us have seen what would happen with different things they have had in the planning. We have stressed to them our concerns and just about got down on our knees to not have it implemented.
They have refused on almost all occasions to listen to us.
They were told that many would stock up stores in the old cities and bring a heap of imports into EAL.
They were told the effect it would have.
They were told that their idea of time over money to control the botters would not work and the effect it would have. They chose to open EAL without doing anything about botters.
We are all now suffering in the way of ridiculous prices, low payouts and a method of controlling the economy that will take months to rectify the problem, and may not work.
We have an economy that has blown out making it so plans they have has to be put on hold.
Now what gets me pissed off and complaining, is that it all could have been avoided.
So excuse some of us for complaining the way we are.
When we stress something will happen and it does, and then we all have to pay the price for the mistakes for months. I feel we have the right to complain.
 
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independent117

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When TC merged with TC3 quite a few people stocked up stores in TC to sell in TC3. Exactly the same thing happened there as is happening in EAL now.
I do my share of complaining in here and I feel I have good reason.
The things I complain about are where EA has made mistakes that are costing us all that could have and should have been avoided.
Many of us have seen what would happen with different things they have had in the planning. We have stressed to them our concerns and just about got down on our knees to not have it implemented.
They have refused on almost all occasions to listen to us.
They were told that many would stock up stores in the old cities and bring a heap of imports into EAL.
They were told the effect it would have.
They were told that their idea of time over money to control the botters would not work and the effect it would have. They chose to open EAL without doing anything about botters.
We are all now suffering in the way of ridiculous prices, low payouts and a method of controlling the economy that will take months to rectify the problem, and may not work.
We have an economy that has blown out making it so plans they have has to be put on hold.
Now what gets me pissed off and complaining, is that it all could have been avoided.
So excuse some of us for complaining the way we are.
When we stress something will happen and it does, and then we all have to pay the price for the mistakes for months. I feel we have the right to complain.

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well its not all there fault like i have an account that i was a store at and i ddint know that it would be a big problem. i had stoped tso and then abt a month later they started closing down for the merge. i wasnt even playing the last time, my account was just active.
 
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<blockquote><hr>

When TC merged with TC3 quite a few people stocked up stores in TC to sell in TC3. Exactly the same thing happened there as is happening in EAL now.
I do my share of complaining in here and I feel I have good reason.
The things I complain about are where EA has made mistakes that are costing us all that could have and should have been avoided.
Many of us have seen what would happen with different things they have had in the planning. We have stressed to them our concerns and just about got down on our knees to not have it implemented.
They have refused on almost all occasions to listen to us.
They were told that many would stock up stores in the old cities and bring a heap of imports into EAL.
They were told the effect it would have.
They were told that their idea of time over money to control the botters would not work and the effect it would have. They chose to open EAL without doing anything about botters.
We are all now suffering in the way of ridiculous prices, low payouts and a method of controlling the economy that will take months to rectify the problem, and may not work.
We have an economy that has blown out making it so plans they have has to be put on hold.
Now what gets me pissed off and complaining, is that it all could have been avoided.
So excuse some of us for complaining the way we are.
When we stress something will happen and it does, and then we all have to pay the price for the mistakes for months. I feel we have the right to complain.

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well its not all there fault like i have an account that i was a store at and i ddint know that it would be a big problem. i had stoped tso and then abt a month later they started closing down for the merge. i wasnt even playing the last time, my account was just active.

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But now that we all *do* know, store owners have the choice of deleting that inventory, and allowing the economy to rebalance, but the majority won't do it because it won't benefit themselves and only themselves the way that selling off that underpriced 100% profit inventory will. Any store owner that does do it will have lifetime clientel from alot of sims because of the respect that an act of selflessness like that will engender. We can't forget the John Nash analogy......the greatest result would come from everybody in the group doing what's best for himself and the group. He had to be on to something or he wouldn't have gotten a Nobel, IMO.
 
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independent117

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<blockquote><hr>

<blockquote><hr>

<blockquote><hr>

When TC merged with TC3 quite a few people stocked up stores in TC to sell in TC3. Exactly the same thing happened there as is happening in EAL now.
I do my share of complaining in here and I feel I have good reason.
The things I complain about are where EA has made mistakes that are costing us all that could have and should have been avoided.
Many of us have seen what would happen with different things they have had in the planning. We have stressed to them our concerns and just about got down on our knees to not have it implemented.
They have refused on almost all occasions to listen to us.
They were told that many would stock up stores in the old cities and bring a heap of imports into EAL.
They were told the effect it would have.
They were told that their idea of time over money to control the botters would not work and the effect it would have. They chose to open EAL without doing anything about botters.
We are all now suffering in the way of ridiculous prices, low payouts and a method of controlling the economy that will take months to rectify the problem, and may not work.
We have an economy that has blown out making it so plans they have has to be put on hold.
Now what gets me pissed off and complaining, is that it all could have been avoided.
So excuse some of us for complaining the way we are.
When we stress something will happen and it does, and then we all have to pay the price for the mistakes for months. I feel we have the right to complain.

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well its not all there fault like i have an account that i was a store at and i ddint know that it would be a big problem. i had stoped tso and then abt a month later they started closing down for the merge. i wasnt even playing the last time, my account was just active.

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But now that we all *do* know, store owners have the choice of deleting that inventory, and allowing the economy to rebalance, but the majority won't do it because it won't benefit themselves and only themselves the way that selling off that underpriced 100% profit inventory will. Any store owner that does do it will have lifetime clientel from alot of sims because of the respect that an act of selflessness like that will engender. We can't forget the John Nash analogy......the greatest result would come from everybody in the group doing what's best for himself and the group. He had to be on to something or he wouldn't have gotten a Nobel, IMO.

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damn straight i wont delete my objects. they can fix this and then i'd be out all my money....that aint gonna fly with me lol. thers no way im gonna get rid of all my objects for them to turn around later next week and say....WELL WE FIXED IT...rofl NO WAY'
 
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independent117

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<blockquote><hr>

<blockquote><hr>

<blockquote><hr>

<blockquote><hr>

When TC merged with TC3 quite a few people stocked up stores in TC to sell in TC3. Exactly the same thing happened there as is happening in EAL now.
I do my share of complaining in here and I feel I have good reason.
The things I complain about are where EA has made mistakes that are costing us all that could have and should have been avoided.
Many of us have seen what would happen with different things they have had in the planning. We have stressed to them our concerns and just about got down on our knees to not have it implemented.
They have refused on almost all occasions to listen to us.
They were told that many would stock up stores in the old cities and bring a heap of imports into EAL.
They were told the effect it would have.
They were told that their idea of time over money to control the botters would not work and the effect it would have. They chose to open EAL without doing anything about botters.
We are all now suffering in the way of ridiculous prices, low payouts and a method of controlling the economy that will take months to rectify the problem, and may not work.
We have an economy that has blown out making it so plans they have has to be put on hold.
Now what gets me pissed off and complaining, is that it all could have been avoided.
So excuse some of us for complaining the way we are.
When we stress something will happen and it does, and then we all have to pay the price for the mistakes for months. I feel we have the right to complain.

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well its not all there fault like i have an account that i was a store at and i ddint know that it would be a big problem. i had stoped tso and then abt a month later they started closing down for the merge. i wasnt even playing the last time, my account was just active.

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But now that we all *do* know, store owners have the choice of deleting that inventory, and allowing the economy to rebalance, but the majority won't do it because it won't benefit themselves and only themselves the way that selling off that underpriced 100% profit inventory will. Any store owner that does do it will have lifetime clientel from alot of sims because of the respect that an act of selflessness like that will engender. We can't forget the John Nash analogy......the greatest result would come from everybody in the group doing what's best for himself and the group. He had to be on to something or he wouldn't have gotten a Nobel, IMO.

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damn straight i wont delete my objects. they can fix this and then i'd be out all my money....that aint gonna fly with me lol. thers no way im gonna get rid of all my objects for them to turn around later next week and say....WELL WE FIXED IT...rofl NO WAY'

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sorry but i have done stuff like that in the past only to find out later on they fixed it and i was out rares and very exensive items. NOT MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE
 
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People are NOT deleting stuff. I agree!! I have been trying to sell wood, parts, and cloth for DAYS. I trashed some items to get these, so the fact that no one has done the same, nor asked me to buy parts, but rather would I buy the 80% used items they have on them? GRRR. Our economy is already IN a depression. I don't know about you, but if I can't buy it from the buy mode and I have 8 of them already ON the lot, something is terribly wrong with the economy, that the DEVS did NOT think about. I am not saying that it can't be fixed, I am saying I think they need to think about some of this a little rather than just telling us to sit back and wait. If you wait, then the game will be right back where it was 14 mos ago. DEAD.
 
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People are NOT deleting stuff. I agree!! I have been trying to sell wood, parts, and cloth for DAYS. I trashed some items to get these, so the fact that no one has done the same, nor asked me to buy parts, but rather would I buy the 80% used items they have on them? GRRR. Our economy is already IN a depression. I don't know about you, but if I can't buy it from the buy mode and I have 8 of them already ON the lot, something is terribly wrong with the economy, that the DEVS did NOT think about. I am not saying that it can't be fixed, I am saying I think they need to think about some of this a little rather than just telling us to sit back and wait. If you wait, then the game will be right back where it was 14 mos ago. DEAD.

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no kidding, and im sorry but i WONT buy a 80%used item, and i wont trade anything because nobody willl have that samevalue that i paid for it. and if we just trade and trade (losing wear btw) then we have to pay more on repairs and we dont make a proft and HOW ARE STORES SUPPOSED TO CARRY ON.tso has this idea abt trading, BUT WHAT ABT THE STORE PPl
 
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eXACTLY! I don't like dealing in USED items. And that is what I am getting all day long. No one is crafting like they used to, because the crafters are all doing CC now. How long do you think it will take for the items to deplete this way?? FOREVER
 
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<blockquote><hr>

<blockquote><hr>

<blockquote><hr>

<blockquote><hr>

When TC merged with TC3 quite a few people stocked up stores in TC to sell in TC3. Exactly the same thing happened there as is happening in EAL now.
I do my share of complaining in here and I feel I have good reason.
The things I complain about are where EA has made mistakes that are costing us all that could have and should have been avoided.
Many of us have seen what would happen with different things they have had in the planning. We have stressed to them our concerns and just about got down on our knees to not have it implemented.
They have refused on almost all occasions to listen to us.
They were told that many would stock up stores in the old cities and bring a heap of imports into EAL.
They were told the effect it would have.
They were told that their idea of time over money to control the botters would not work and the effect it would have. They chose to open EAL without doing anything about botters.
We are all now suffering in the way of ridiculous prices, low payouts and a method of controlling the economy that will take months to rectify the problem, and may not work.
We have an economy that has blown out making it so plans they have has to be put on hold.
Now what gets me pissed off and complaining, is that it all could have been avoided.
So excuse some of us for complaining the way we are.
When we stress something will happen and it does, and then we all have to pay the price for the mistakes for months. I feel we have the right to complain.

[/ QUOTE ]

well its not all there fault like i have an account that i was a store at and i ddint know that it would be a big problem. i had stoped tso and then abt a month later they started closing down for the merge. i wasnt even playing the last time, my account was just active.

[/ QUOTE ]

But now that we all *do* know, store owners have the choice of deleting that inventory, and allowing the economy to rebalance, but the majority won't do it because it won't benefit themselves and only themselves the way that selling off that underpriced 100% profit inventory will. Any store owner that does do it will have lifetime clientel from alot of sims because of the respect that an act of selflessness like that will engender. We can't forget the John Nash analogy......the greatest result would come from everybody in the group doing what's best for himself and the group. He had to be on to something or he wouldn't have gotten a Nobel, IMO.

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damn straight i wont delete my objects. they can fix this and then i'd be out all my money....that aint gonna fly with me lol. thers no way im gonna get rid of all my objects for them to turn around later next week and say....WELL WE FIXED IT...rofl NO WAY'

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sorry but i have done stuff like that in the past only to find out later on they fixed it and i was out rares and very exensive items. NOT MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE

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Rares are not in the same category......we're talking about inventories chocked full of plain jane garden variety objects, not anniversary objects, cannons, gnomes, rare pets and stuff like that. Rare pets especially not now that there is no more pet pulling since the sellback option is gone. But there's no reason that plain-jane objects can't be deleted when they didn't cost the players simoleans that they wouldn't have lost anyway when the cities merged. I guess we could ask that stores be mandatory wiped of inventory, but I'd much prefer to see the community pull together and do what's right for the game on their own without being forced into it. If that is what it ultimately takes to get the economy straightened out for the good of each and every player who is upset with how bad payouts are, then I'm certain alot of people won't have a problem asking that it be done.
 
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OH besides...you can't SMASH and TRASH CC. Soooo, that's just another item filling the GAME space...
 
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eXACTLY! I don't like dealing in USED items. And that is what I am getting all day long. No one is crafting like they used to, because the crafters are all doing CC now. How long do you think it will take for the items to deplete this way?? FOREVER

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TSO WANTS US TO TRADE, WELL I WONT AND NO SHOULD ANY OF US BECAUSE I BET YOU ALL MY MONEY ON TSO THAT IF WE ALL DO THIS "TRADE" THING AND THEN WHEN WE ALL HAVE ALL THE INVENTORYS EMPTY AND ALL THAT, THE PRICES WILL GO DOWN CAUSING US TO LOSE SOOOOOOOO MUCH MONEY THEN IF WE HAD JUST COME UP WITH ANOTHER WAY OF FIXING THE PROBLEM. IM SORRY BUT ITS NOT A GLITCH. IF THEY HAVE THE POWER TO FIX ALL THAT STUPID MONEY THAT WAS BECAUSE OF PPL DOING THAT SELLING BACK ITEMS THING, IF THEY CAN FIX THAT, THEY CAN FIX THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I have had too many TRADERS who come to me and are SCAMMERS..
They close the trade at the last possible second having the money I gave them and pulling back the ITEM they were trading me. I don't know about you, but trades I am VERY leary of.
 
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People are NOT deleting stuff. I agree!! I have been trying to sell wood, parts, and cloth for DAYS. I trashed some items to get these, so the fact that no one has done the same, nor asked me to buy parts, but rather would I buy the 80% used items they have on them? GRRR. Our economy is already IN a depression. I don't know about you, but if I can't buy it from the buy mode and I have 8 of them already ON the lot, something is terribly wrong with the economy, that the DEVS did NOT think about. I am not saying that it can't be fixed, I am saying I think they need to think about some of this a little rather than just telling us to sit back and wait. If you wait, then the game will be right back where it was 14 mos ago. DEAD.

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If you're in TC3, I have been looking for parts, wood and cloth boxes for a long time, and would be more than happy to purchase these items from somebody that I know posts on the boards. Salvaging items is actually a very good alternative to just deleting the objects, it allows you at least the possibility of a return on your 'investment' such that it was, while causing the number of actual objects to go down which will still produce the desired result. What you did is at least better than saying "I'll be damned if *I* am going to delete any objects *I* worked 'hard' for" so I for one would be fine with rewarding players who did this for their efforts, especially since I need the parts wood and cloth anyway. My array of sims is set up to eventually be able to craft all the custom craftables, so I am going to need parts wood and cloth boxes by the gross LMAO
 
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