Drop Rate on Leviathan & Scalis Broken?

[Radugast]

I have a few questions to those who are hunting Scalis/Leviathan.

Fisherman with GM fishing who throw in a white net are suppose to recieve a 1 in 4 chance for a drop off Leviathan. Our group has thrown close to 55 nets and fought 45 Leviathans and with that 2 drops. Maybe going over GM fishing has messed it up?? Anyone experiance this same thing?

We kill Scalis with a cannon and archers/discorder and the drop rate is really low, out of 10 Scalis and 6 players we have zero drops. Question is does the cannon mess up the drop rate?

Devs feel free to respond!

 

[maximusss]

It is a well known fact that Scalis usually gives nothing as loot(except the normal unravel-all-loot)and many people complain about the effort to summon and kill Scalis and then get no reward. No need for this topic to become one of those risk/effort vs. reward topics

EDIT:It's all about rng with things like these. It can f you, which is not nice .

 

[Madrid]

This is from a few months back when I tossed 107 white nets over a 3 day weekend. It resulted in 32 encounters with Osiredon:
1)0
2)0
3)0
4)0
5)Leviathan Hide Bracers
6)0
7)0
8)0
9)0
10)Smiling Moonblade X2
11)0
12)0
13)0
14)0
15)Leviathan Hide Bracers
16)0
17)0
18)0
19)0
20)0
21)0
22)Smiling Moonblade
23)0
24)0
25)0
26)0
27)Wand of Thundering Glory
28)0
29)Small Soulforge + Leviathan Hide Bracers
30)Smiling Moonblade
31)0
32)Leviathan Hide Bracers


The chance to spawn Osiredon based on 107 Fabled Fishing Nets equaled 29% (32 out of 107).

74 Leviathans resulted in 1 Ghost Anchor, 1 Sea Horse Statuette, 1 Alchemist Bauble, 1 Cavorting Club, 1 Ship Model H.M.S Cape. (5 out of 74 = 6.75% drop rate for Leviathan Artifacts) Note: I let one Leviathan go after making a wrong turn and decided to toss another net instead of going back and killing it.

32 Osiredon’s resulted in 4 Leviathan Hide Bracers, 3 Smiling Moonblades, One Small Soulforge, and One Wand of Thundering Glory for a total of 9 drops.

According to Logrus each qualifying attacker has a chance at a drop. This explains why on 2 separate occassions two characters received a drop (Osiredon #10 and #29).

If I'm understanding correctly how the drop rate works all 4 of my characters should have had been elgible and had a chance at a drop all 32 times.

Unless there is a Cap to the number of Qualifiers there was a total of 128 Chances for a drop of which resulted in 9 drops for a 7% drop rate ( 9 out of 128).

 

[Nimuaq]

Leviathan is added with Publish 27:

(..) For comparative purposes, leviathans are equivalent to a paragon blood elemental in difficulty. Like with paragon creatures, possible minor artifact items may be rewarded to player characters who battle and defeat these legendary creatures. Along with typical loot, a leviathan always carries two kinds of ropes and a message in a bottle. It also has a 25% chance to carry a level 5 treasure map.

then tweaked with Publish 28:

Give the fabled net thrower (if a GM Fisherman) a 1 in 4 chance of getting a minor artifact (not modified by luck or damage). If the fabled net thrower doesn't get a minor artifact, but is a top attacker, then perform the normal chance to get a minor artifact modified by luck. i.e., the fabled net thrower won't get two minor artifacts from one leviathan, but will have two chances to get one.

If we interpret the "leviathans are equivalent to a paragon blood elemental in difficulty" as the same chance to drop a minor artifact, and then check the chance here, it is roughly 1 in 25 or 4% with 1k luck and more or less consistent with Madrid's 6.75% finding.

But only if this system is absolute: "Give the fabled net thrower (if a GM Fisherman) a 1 in 4 chance of getting a minor artifact" statement means it should have been close to 25%.

I think Radugast found the possible error: fishing skill was capped at 100.0 before Publish 68, so it is probably coded:

if Fishing = 1000

instead of

if Fishing >= 1000

 

[Madrid]

The character I was tossing nets with wasn't a GM Fisherman..in fact he had 0 Fishing and 0 luck. Which may explain the low Leviathan drops rates.

Now you got me wondering if fishing skill or luck has any bearing on the chance for spawning Osiredon with a white net...is there any data on that?

Next go around I'll use my Fisherman with a luck suit and post results for a comparison. It may be awhile though....

 

[Mr. Smither1]

if you don't at least gm fishing you won't pull Scalis. I wasted 25 white nets till someone told me to use my fisherman to throw them.

 

[Logrus]

GM or GM+ Fishing = 25% Chance to pull up Osiredon.

Verified code is currently checking GM or Greater (ie >= 1000 skill)

Drop rate numbers are in line with Scalis drop rates.


The more characters that receive looting rights means that there are more rolls but the base chance remains the same for each roll.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Thank you for checking the code for us

 

[Madrid]

GM or GM+ Fishing = 25% Chance to pull up Osiredon.

Verified code is currently checking GM or Greater (ie >= 1000 skill)

Drop rate numbers are in line with Scalis drop rates.


The more characters that receive looting rights means that there are more rolls but the base chance remains the same for each roll.

I pulled up 32 Osiredons out of 107 White Nets with 0 Fishing skill for a 29% spawn rate.

What am I missing? Is it a +25% chance with 100+ Fishing?

 

[Radugast]

Thanks for the reply Logrus. We are just having unfortunate rolls.

 

[Madrid]

Logrus if you happen to read this thread again and could clarify I would appreciate it.

A few months ago I tossed nets with 0 Fishing and spawned Osiredon with a 29% Success (32 total).

Has there been some change in recent months where Fishing skill is now required? If I have 0 Fishing skill I have 0% chance to spawn Osiredon?

 

[Ox AO]

Has there been some change in recent months where Fishing skill is now required? If I have 0 Fishing skill I have 0% chance to spawn Osiredon?

It is not required we had our bad streaks of not getting a Osiredon though.
with or without fishing skill on the thrower

 

[Madrid]

It is not required we had our bad streaks of not getting a Osiredon though. with or without fishing skill on the thrower

Thanks OX AO but but I'd rather hear it straight from the source. I've personally pulled up many Osiredons with 0 fishing but what Logrus posted makes it seem like there was a change to the code which is what I want to verify.

 

[Quickblade]

madrid can I ask you how did you gather 107 white nets when the chance to get one is about 1 in 40 ?

 

[Madrid]

madrid can I ask you how did you gather 107 white nets when the chance to get one is about 1 in 40 ?

I bought off vendors over the course of about six months. Outside of Luna certain shops on certain shards sell them relatively cheap.

It's an investment...made my money back plus some selling the items dropped from Osiredon. Had I received one more Small Soul Forge instead of one of the Smiling Moonblades then I really would have made out like a bandit.

Stockpiling more as we speak and getting to do another run here in the near future after school finals!

 

[Quickblade]

on what shard will you do the runs ? I got some ancients also that Im stacking for a big night hunt, also I heard that fel side give more chance(50%) to pull out a scalis is it true ? Finally, I think that fishing is n't needed to pull out scalis , since you can pull out a leviathan without fishing why not a scalis ?

 

[Madrid]

on what shard will you do the runs ? I got some ancients also that Im stacking for a big night hunt, also I heard that fel side give more chance(50%) to pull out a scalis is it true ? Finally, I think that fishing is n't needed to pull out scalis , since you can pull out a leviathan without fishing why not a scalis ?

I did my last runs on Europa in Felucca. I'm not sure if there is a difference in what facet your on. I don't think there is...

As far as the fishing goes that is what I wanted Logrus to clarify but he neglected to do so. He stated the chance to spawn Osiredon is scaled off your fishing:

GM or GM+ Fishing = 25% Chance to pull up Osiredon.

Verified code is currently checking GM or Greater (ie >= 1000 skill)

Drop rate numbers are in line with Scalis drop rates.


The more characters that receive looting rights means that there are more rolls but the base chance remains the same for each roll.

I'm thinking the chance for Leviathan to drop artifacts is connected to your fishing skill because my Leviathan artifact drop rate was dismal on a Net Tosser with O Fishing skill.

As far as the code working and the relationship with Fishing Skill and Osiredon I'm not sure what to make of Logrus posts being that I pulled up Osiredon 32 times with 0 Fishing skill.

His post contradicts what I experienced first hand in the game which is why I was soliciting some clarification.

 

[Quickblade]

Leviathan is an old ML boss if I remember, and is connected to luck and fishing skill for artys drop like paragons are linked to luck.

Scalis is a new high seas boss and has no connection with fishing skill nor luck to pop one or to get an arty you don't need high luck or fishing, this is what I think before the publish 68, they might changed that after the pub 68 tho a confirmation of Logrus would be nice

 

[Madrid]

Leviathan is an old ML boss if I remember, and is connected to luck and fishing skill for artys drop like paragons are linked to luck.

Scalis is a new high seas boss and has no connection with fishing skill nor luck to pop one or to get an arty you don't need high luck or fishing, this is what I think before the publish 68, they might changed that after the pub 68 tho a confirmation of Logrus would be nice

I think your right.

I'm going to Equip a luck suit and 100 Fishing skill on my Net Tosser next time around and compare the statistics.

I'm thinking Logrus meant to say Leviathan is 25% with GM or GM+ Fishing not Osiredon.