Do you hear that loud whistling sound?

[MissEcho]

I have no problem with the spawn, reason being it is open to EVERYONE to part take in. The problems happen when like the rest of mining/lumberjacking these days is that it is swung 100% towards the scripters. They are the only ones able to continuously farm ingots and be able to get the colored in mass numbers because they are the only ones able to run 24/7 unattended to do it.

I used to love mining/lumberjacking until it came to where after 3-4 hour mining/lumberjacking I had generally very little of the 3/4 top resources (ie agapite, verite, heartwood, bloodwodd) and mostly zero (0) valorite/frostwood. eg, ,my last 4 mining trips resulted in 0 valorite. I don't bother anymore.

I know if I see anyone selling 1000's of high end resources on a regular basis, they are either stocks from a LONG time ago, or scripted.

 

[DJAd]

Another vote for leave it as it is. It's nice to have something that dishes out goodies fairly easily rather than having to grind away for them.

 

[Fridgster]

Thanks for the suggestion to swap mining onto a sampire. I tried it and got 5800 gold in half an hour. But it's not as easy as it sounds. I found it very frustrating trying to click on the forge with all the bodies piling up on it. I kept clicking around on the forge trying to find an empty spot. My hands hurt after just a half hour of this. I didn't get as many ingots with my miner and fire beetle (me in a doorway and the beetle behind me), but it was a lot easier clicking on the beetle than trying to get the forge to work. Anybody else finding the forge itself a pain? Is this possibly a deliberate pain in the, er, hands, to avoid the scripting some were afraid of? Or is there an easier way to click on it?

Keep the forge running next to you the long way and remember the sides of the forge can be double clicked as well.

 

[swroberts]

Leave it...there is no advantage to any single account. Everyone can go farm ele's and collect gold ingots. If you don't have a miner/crafter...build one. If someone is in there already, then go on in ad compete...there is no first come first serve.
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[Xanthril of LA]

Keep the forge running next to you the long way and remember the sides of the forge can be double clicked as well.

I had the same problem with the forge last night and I tried this. But still could not get the forge to work most of the time. Someone mentioned last target, would you mind elaborating. I tried various last targets and none seemed to work.

 

[The Zog historian]

I had the same problem with the forge last night and I tried this. But still could not get the forge to work most of the time. Someone mentioned last target, would you mind elaborating. I tried various last targets and none seemed to work.

Set a "Last Target" key in UO, then every time you want to target the forge, press Last Target instead.

That is, target the forge the first time you want to use it, and keep it as Last Target.

 

[Lord Frodo]

14,719 ingots and 85 crystalline blackrock later, and no I did not do this in just a few hours, I got no, none, zilch, zero marties to drop. If you think people are just gonna do this for the ingots, please think again. I also did another experiment and dropped my Fame down to 9 and Karma down to -11,000 and went back in. My Fame is now 4601 and Karma is 2434 and I got no, none, zilch, zero marties to drop. This is far less than ToT ever did. I think when they did the dungeon tweek that they messed up the rest of the dungeon.

And if you think scripters are going to do this then please think again because if you log out in the dungeon/castle for any length of time you get a free trip to another city when you log back in, LOL.

Please leave the Gold Eles alone and fix the drop rate of marties back to what it was on test. TY.

OH I forgot I call BS on peps claiming that they got 5-6K ingots in 30 min. It never fails that people over state things when they want thing reduced/changed.

 

[Gheed]

OH I forgot I call BS on peps claiming that they got 5-6K ingots in 30 min. It never fails that people over state things when they want thing reduced/changed.

This is very do-able. They spawn fast, so you have to kill/smelt fast. I hit just under 12k in one hour with 2 artifact drops (@1600 luck). This includes a quick run to the healer after a fellow citizen ran three lichs by me on their way out. About an hour is all I can stand before I get bored tho.

 

[yars]

One Artie drop,3500 ingots 45mins. Leave it,I use the ingots for barding deeds anways

 

[Lord Frodo]

This is very do-able. They spawn fast, so you have to kill/smelt fast. I hit just under 12k in one hour with 2 artifact drops (@1600 luck). This includes a quick run to the healer after a fellow citizen ran three lichs by me on their way out. About an hour is all I can stand before I get bored tho.

I hope you understand that to get 12K ingot that you need to kill 240 eles and hope that you get %100 smelt every time, which you didn't. So you are telling us that you were doing 4/5 els a min. Sorry people overstate things and got %100 smelt rate.

 

[Gheed]

I hope you understand that to get 12K ingot that you need to kill 240 eles and hope that you get %100 smelt every time, which you didn't. So you are telling us that you were doing 4/5 els a min. Sorry people overstate things and got %100 smelt rate.

5:02 am to 6:02 am: 11k and change gold ingots. Overseer sundered blade with elemantal slayer and conj trinket for the occasional lich pop. There are two types of mobs that seem to spawn. One with low resists and high hit points and one with high resist and low hit points. I hit max swing, two hit killing the low hp mobs and 4-5 hit killling the high hp mobs. I swing constantly at max swing with an occasional pause in the spawn.

 

[Lord Frodo]

One Artie drop,3500 ingots 45mins. Leave it,I use the ingots for barding deeds anways

How much luck were you running? I used 0 luck for my experiment and I went from 9 Fame to over 4K fame and recieved no drop. This drop is no where near what ToT was and we were killing things with a lot less Fame than the Gold Els to get them. It takes a lot of killing to amass 4K fame from Gold Els and Lichs and you don't do it in 15 min either. Yes Luck has a chance to get them faster but there should be a set amount of Fame that you add up in order to get one. I took a GD on test with 0 luck and in 2 hrs got 2 drops with a char that had over 10,000K Fame and Karma. Something has changed from TC to Prodo because this should not be based on pure luck.

 

[Uvtha]

I hope you understand that to get 12K ingot that you need to kill 240 eles and hope that you get %100 smelt every time, which you didn't. So you are telling us that you were doing 4/5 els a min. Sorry people overstate things and got %100 smelt rate.

2-5 hits (average 4 hits per to be generous), swinging at 1.25 it takes 5 seconds per elemental. Taking into account the time it takes for the elemental to spawn and walk over to you, say... 5 seconds-ish, that makes 10 seconds per elemental. Add in an extra 2 second to open the corpse and target the forge. So 5 a minute is doable in theory. 4 seems more reasonable.

If you have gloves on the smelt chance for gold is 90%. So assuming you do 5 a minute, and the 90% is exact that makes 13.5k an hour. 4 a minute is 10.8k.

So its clearly possible to get 12k an hour. It would be tedious but its doable.

Not that it matters. Everyone just likes the easy stuff. If it was 50k an hour no one would probably care. If it was just a post you could click to get 10 gold ingots per click no one would probably care.

 

[Theo_GL]

I agree with the approx 10k per hour rate if you are solo in the room with a sampire, slayer and mining. I do this during boring conf calls. Scooped up 20k today while I got paid to work.

 

[Yadd of Legends]

Keep the forge running next to you the long way and remember the sides of the forge can be double clicked as well.

Thanks, Fridgster, that's the way I was doing it but still finding bodies piling over possible place to click., as I moved to each side looking for free spaces. Maybe the bodies piling up all over the forge before decaying are the limiting factor in how fast we can farm these things. I suppose it would be too much to ask to have a little forge bar thing to pull out to click like I can with my fire beetle. I really don't particularly like anything that requires a lot of constant mouse clicking.

 

[Mad Tamer]

Well people are saying "what if people script it" Well the GM's know right where to find the Resource and Arti people scripting... If you only have 1 place to do it the GM's just go to that 1 spot and ban people np. No work for them at all... Super easy for them to ban people... Its more like the resource scriptors are not going to go there to get banned... The everyday normal player will to get the ingots they need... I macro'ed at west brit bank when it was the cool place to hang out and got a temp ban. I was just macroin hiding but still I learned not to do stuff like that in public places... Those gold eles are a VERY public place.

 

[BrianFreud]

14,719 ingots and 85 crystalline blackrock later, and no I did not do this in just a few hours, I got no, none, zilch, zero marties to drop. If you think people are just gonna do this for the ingots, please think again. I also did another experiment and dropped my Fame down to 9 and Karma down to -11,000 and went back in. My Fame is now 4601 and Karma is 2434 and I got no, none, zilch, zero marties to drop. This is far less than ToT ever did. I think when they did the dungeon tweek that they messed up the rest of the dungeon.

I spent two hours on the evil mages last night, with the same result - zero marties.

 

[Krinkle]

I really don't understand the fanaticism over gold ingots. It does not matter the rate they can be accumulated as long as it does not hurt the 15 year old crafting systems. As far as I can tell, so far, most of the gold ore is decaying on the bodies of the gold elementals because no one really cares about this resource. This is on a shard that doesn't have very much in the way of ingot sales to begin with. This 'reverse thinking' is why the 'scripter boogeyman' that people worry so much about have thrived so much in the past. People obsess about something until it is nerfed and the only one who benefits are the people who set up bots because doing it manual is seen as a waste of time. There are far easier ways to make gold in the game than from farming gold elementals, probably by thousands of gold to one. I can get one Tangle a night to sell and that makes far more than 20k ingots an hour.

 

[Fridgster]

I spent two hours on the evil mages last night, with the same result - zero marties.

I know the elementals are really no good for marties. I've collected over 200k ingots so far and have had 3 martie drops from them.

 

[Uvtha]

I really don't understand the fanaticism over gold ingots. It does not matter the rate they can be accumulated as long as it does not hurt the 15 year old crafting systems. As far as I can tell, so far, most of the gold ore is decaying on the bodies of the gold elementals because no one really cares about this resource. This is on a shard that doesn't have very much in the way of ingot sales to begin with. This 'reverse thinking' is why the 'scripter boogeyman' that people worry so much about have thrived so much in the past. People obsess about something until it is nerfed and the only one who benefits are the people who set up bots because doing it manual is seen as a waste of time. There are far easier ways to make gold in the game than from farming gold elementals, probably by thousands of gold to one. I can get one Tangle a night to sell and that makes far more than 20k ingots an hour.

We should probably just have all the ingot elementals spawn each in their own rooms, but depower the upper ones a bit to make it easier. Then no one would ever have to mine again.
Same with wood. Make some wood elementals, maybe some barbed and horned lizard men.

You would never make as much as a Tangle's worth in a day, so no harm, no foul.

 

[Fridgster]

I really don't understand the fanaticism over gold ingots. It does not matter the rate they can be accumulated as long as it does not hurt the 15 year old crafting systems. As far as I can tell, so far, most of the gold ore is decaying on the bodies of the gold elementals because no one really cares about this resource. This is on a shard that doesn't have very much in the way of ingot sales to begin with. This 'reverse thinking' is why the 'scripter boogeyman' that people worry so much about have thrived so much in the past. People obsess about something until it is nerfed and the only one who benefits are the people who set up bots because doing it manual is seen as a waste of time. There are far easier ways to make gold in the game than from farming gold elementals, probably by thousands of gold to one. I can get one Tangle a night to sell and that makes far more than 20k ingots an hour.

Honestly I think just about any other color ingot would have been better than gold. I also still believe that they should randomize the elementals that spawn or slow down the spawn rate. Gold ingots are very important in crafting:

1. Easily used to create magical residue. (you can get a 3 ingot to 2 residue conversion making golden daggers)
2. Copper runic hammers are one of the most important hammers when it comes to reforging. You can over cap armor and weapon stats without the negatives IE: HML 100% Best way to get a copper runic hammer is by filling small gold bods.
3. Remember gold ingots are worth 2.5 turn in points per ingot. In ten kills (which does not take long) you will be averaging 1000 turn in points.

Sorry

 

[Yadd of Legends]

Keep the forge running next to you the long way and remember the sides of the forge can be double clicked as well.

I finally figured out what you meant by clicking on the sides of the forge, and it helps a lot. I was clicking on the top the sides, near the fire, thinking that would be where a forge would be hot. But you can also click on the bottom of the sides near the floor, even the opposite side, , and it's a lot easier to avoid the corpses that way. I imagine that's what you meant but wanted to clarify for the record. So yes, 10k in a half hour is quite doable, and I'm looking forward to my mace and shield glasses. BTW, I have 0 luck and also got 2 drops in a half hour with the elementals tonight.

 

[Theo_GL]

So yes, 10k in a half hour is quite doable, and I'm looking forward to my mace and shield glasses. BTW, I have 0 luck and also got 2 drops in a half hour with the elementals tonight.

How do you plan to get Mace and Shield glasses with gold ingots? Did I miss something?

 

[Obsidian]

How do you plan to get Mace and Shield glasses with gold ingots? Did I miss something?

No, it is not possible, unless he plans to turn those gold ingots into a billion gold bucklers...

 

[Picus of Napa]

The guy mentioned getting two drops a hour which he's going to trade in for the glasses. 50 drops = glasses.

 

[Yadd of Legends]

How do you plan to get Mace and Shield glasses with gold ingots? Did I miss something?

I stand corrected. Gasses of the trades for gold ingots, not mace and shield. My miner could use more ST and IN

 

[Yadd of Legends]

Is anybody now filling regular iron BODs with gold ingots instead of iron? I'm posting here rather than crafts because it is more of an economic question with the new dungeon.


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[BeaIank]

I haven't tried that yet, because I have far more iron ingots than golden ones, but it might be an alternative in the future.

 

[Cogniac]

Idea: Change the spawn to generate all ore elemental types in the same ratios as ore veins spawn. So the spawn would look like this:

• Earth Elemental - 50%
• Dull Copper Elemental - 11.2%
• Shadow Elemental - 9.8%
• Copper Elemental - 8.4%
• Bronze Elemental - 7%
• Golden Elemental - 5.6%
• Agapite Elemental - 4.2%
• Verite Elemental - 2.8%
• Valorite Elemental - 1.4%

I've always thought that all earth elemental spawns should work this way, but some may disagree, so this spawn point seems like a nice location for a dry run.

(Observant readers may notice that the percentages above add up to 100.4%. I got the values from here: UO Stratics - Mining. So perhaps Stratics might want to take another look at their numbers.)

 

[Yadd of Legends]

I would hate to see earth elementals there half the time - leave them out


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[Tyrath]

Not really seeing a problem here and not seeing this spot camped 24/7 either. When you can buy 60k gold ignots for a couple of bucks or 1000 CBR for not much more...... I would say his hurts the scripting community more than it helps them and levels the field a bit for the nonscripting honest player. Only thing I would do is turn the spawn timer down a bit 30-45 seconds. I did my own experiment at 80 fencing, 65 tactics, 85 Bushi, 100 mining, 75 chiv and 100 necro with a 100 fire elemental slayer kryss with 45DI and 30 ssi and farmed 3200 ignots and 37 CBR in 30 minutes. The only problems I had were with the liches. I also don't see this breaking the economy as I am one of the dummies that still actually goes out and mines and tis very rare to ever see another miner now days. They screwed up big time with the changing ore and wood and need to make them static again. Part of the fun of mining lj was locating that one spot that no one else knew about and being able to depend on it for resources, I don't have 8 hours per day to run around hoping I will find a frostwood or a val vein and then on the rare occasion I do go back to it the next day in its oak or bronze. That change killed mining and LJ as a viable occupation in game and needs a revert. I notice the sites that sell resources have no shortage of any resource so obviously they broke it for the live players and fixed it for the bots. Make ore and wood static again and I would not care if this spawn went away because I woul be out mining more and not mining dungeon els for a mid level ore.

 

[Tyrath]

Not really seeing a problem here and not seeing this spot camped 24/7 either. When you can buy 60k gold ignots for a couple of bucks or 1000 CBR for not much more...... I would say his hurts the scripting community more than it helps them and levels the field a bit for the nonscripting honest player. Only thing I would do is turn the spawn timer down a bit 30-45 seconds. I did my own experiment at 80 fencing, 65 tactics, 85 Bushi, 100 mining, 75 chiv and 100 necro with a 100 fire elemental slayer kryss with 45DI and 30 ssi and farmed 3200 ignots and 37 CBR in 30 minutes. The only problems I had were with the liches. I also don't see this breaking the economy as I am one of the dummies that still actually goes out and mines and tis very rare to ever see another miner now days. They screwed up big time with the changing ore and wood and need to make them static again. Part of the fun of mining lj was locating that one spot that no one else knew about and being able to depend on it for resources, I don't have 8 hours per day to run around hoping I will find a frostwood or a val vein and then on the rare occasion I do go back to it the next day in its oak or bronze. That change killed mining and LJ as a viable occupation in game and needs a revert. I notice the sites that sell resources have no shortage of any resource so obviously they broke it for the live players and fixed it for the bots. Make ore and wood static again and I would not care if this spawn went away because I woul be out mining more and not mining dungeon els for a mid level ore.