Devs! Wither is way too overpowered to kill spawn

[Limlight]

Wither is a litle over-powered...but the problem is more in the mana leach.

Because if you nerf Wither or eliminate it...everyone will just use essence in Wraith form..or Earthquake.

I see dexers owning spawn with the pixie swatter.

 

[Omnius]

i use wither, eow and taskmaster at spawns. In despise I also raise the dead and use natures furies or an ogre lord pet. Wither is probably the least used of my spells.

 

[Splup]

Dexers do just as fine as necros with their hit area weps.

 

[Turdnugget]

I could be really lame and make a necro/dexer that you would complain about if I were to use my radiant scimi with Fc 1, 48 lightning, 46 hit energy area, 45 mana leech, 48 DI and it's whirlwind special... I could run around all day in wraith form withering/whirlwindinge everything... then you'd realy be pissed wouldn't you?

You see... a dexer can be JUST as effective as a necro. Heck, even better than a necro.

I wanna see how long it takes you to do a spawn w/out necros helping w/mass low level killing. At higher level spawn it's not the easiest to do and stay alive.

Each skill/template has it's pros/cons... just deal with it. Some are better for low end spawn, some are better for high end spawn. Take a provoke bard for instance...how useful are they for level 1-2 spawn? By the time they can provoke 5 rats onto 5 slimes, a warrior w/hit area/Holy Light, necro with wither, mage with EVs/meteor swarm have already killed 3x what the bard can do.

Stop complaining. You still get a shot at scrolls/items.

 

[thechoppa]

And riding a swamp dragon, a llama, a unicorn, a cu sidhe, a reptalon is 'realistic' ?

And neon METAL armor is realistic? A person turning into a rat/rabbit/orc/ogre/chicken is realistic?

Seriously...I can kill just as fast as a necro can on any of my warrior templates with a hit spell/whirlwind weapon. And guess what? I don't get interrupted either.

You can't ask for wither to be more 'realistic' when loads of other things in this game aren't.

Wither helps a lot during spawns to get things done faster so there's less time to likely be raided. Not everyone plays a necro at spawns either.

Maybe you were wronged by a necro who 'stole' your kills and ended up with an item during that champ. Guess what? Even if you're killing something, and a necro comes by and withers the crap out of the mobs nearby... you still get partial credit for killing. I've gotten a few SoT's that way.

I don't give two sh..t about effectivness of wither. make it do twice the damage on twice the area, I am ok with that. Also, I was not the op "wronged" by wither canon. I am saying that fel fights would be more enjoyable if the area effect effectively hit area, and not certain players in a area. I explain it by the fact that 16 wraits, giving me each 25 damage from a wither at a drop point in a dungeon is not exactly what I call enjoyable pvp.

I also added, as a detail, that it is not logical to freeze an area with my spell, and to see all blues/guildmates/allies stay hot as usual in that same area.

Get it?

 

[WarderDragon]

Oh dang, folks! It turns out that swords are really good at slaying monsters. We better make sure swords break after three swings so that people fighting with their forks and spoons don't feel left out.

Honestly, you people have got to be kidding me? The class doesn't even have to be all that powerful anymore to be nerfed; it just needs to do something well for it to tick people off. Hell, why not nerf archers because they are better at hurling missles than mace fighters? Rather than nerfing necromancy, why aren't we suggesting that the developers add something to the other classes so they fulfill their role better as well?

 

[Viper09]

Oh dang, folks! It turns out that swords are really good at slaying monsters. We better make sure swords break after three swings so that people fighting with their forks and spoons don't feel left out.

Honestly, you people have got to be kidding me? The class doesn't even have to be all that powerful anymore to be nerfed; it just needs to do something well for it to tick people off. Hell, why not nerf archers because they are better at hurling missles than mace fighters? Rather than nerfing necromancy, why aren't we suggesting that the developers add something to the other classes so they fulfill their role better as well?

Seriously. We should consider nerfing herding, they are just too dang good at convincing animals to move.

 

[Nexus]

so you're spawning in fel, and some necro is stealing your kills? most people would just kill the necro...seems easier than coming here to cry nerf...

The OP didn't way he was talking about Fel. There are spawns elsewhere.

 

[soze]

Amazing when an event gets goin and rewards are involved, the complaints start-a-comin!!!

 

[Harlequin]

This issue actually came up during the Halloween event when necros would wither to get gossamer. This prevented other players from having a chance at the drops. Well the developers issued a patch to increase the HPs on the drones so the other templates would have a chance to do damage. This was a temporary fix at that time. Now it is an issue with more people spawning, a final balance needs to be made. (not to mention how ridiculous it is that one character can advance a spawn with such great speed with wither).


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Aye, and it came up many times before that. JC was being wry

 

[Harlequin]

I play with a level 6 focus all the time and Essence of Wind can not hold a candle to how much damage Wither does. Essence of Wind also takes a lot more mana. You can cast it maybe 3-4 times in a row, while Wither can be cast 12-15 times in a row easy.

Yup, essence of wind with a level 6 focus has a very large area of effect. Compared to wither, it has a much larger area of effect, but much longer casting time. Meaning a necro will defnitely fire off the wither before Essence of wind.

Regarding the larger area of effect, it's not necessarily a good thing. Larger AOE means it's easier catch a hostile player (and their pets) in the AOE and get yourself flagged. May be a good or bad thing depending on your intent

Due to the fast casting speed, and the easier control of the smaller AOE, wither can be more effectively spammed.

That being said, warriors with whirlwind definitely outperforms necro. Mainly because they can defend themselves more effectively.

 

[RichDC]

Oh dang, folks! It turns out that swords are really good at slaying monsters. We better make sure swords break after three swings so that people fighting with their forks and spoons don't feel left out.

Honestly, you people have got to be kidding me? The class doesn't even have to be all that powerful anymore to be nerfed; it just needs to do something well for it to tick people off. Hell, why not nerf archers because they are better at hurling missles than mace fighters? Rather than nerfing necromancy, why aren't we suggesting that the developers add something to the other classes so they fulfill their role better as well?

Imo PvM all Templates are fine and not overpowered...Necros can corpse and mana dump in wraith doing stupid amounts of damage, tamers have GD's...nuff said on that , Dexxers have Bushido,chivalry, vamp form!!!

The only issues with this game atm imo is that,

A) everything is too GD easy!!! (they are handing us whatever we want!)
B) PvP is unfortunatly unbalanced (starting to love this side of uo!)
&
C) the devs listen to every moan and whinge and actually nerf more and more and more.(goes back to point A!)

 

[J0KING]

Noticed alot of necros running around spamming wither... killing alot of the early spawn very quickly... They were killing the spawn much quicker than my mage using earthquake... sooooo...

I switched characters... dusted off my fencer, got my area effect weapon (100%) and now cut through the lower spawn with little to no trouble...

I agree that wither can be annoying, but as players we should learn to improvise, adapt, overcome...

 

[Turdnugget]

Having a bunch of wraiths withering a drop down point could be replaced by a number of other tactics as well.

What about one mage boxing in the dropdown with energy fields while a couple GM alchemists non-stop launch greater explosion potions on the drop down? Same effect...

Or a mage boxing the dropdown with efields and a couple dexers sitting there with whirlwind weapons?