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DEVs, the Shard Shields should really be made changeable every month...
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Even at the cost of one month that is still quite a bit of free travel don't you think? Also that takes away half of the revenue that EA can grab from each use (unless you have bought another shield for the shard you want to go to). I mean if transfer tokens are going to cost $20. You are talking about giving folks a $120 value a month. Which for the record is pretty much the subscription cost. If they only take you home it will still save you quite a bit. So while I think its fair to have them take you to one shard allowing them to be switched, not so much. That is unless they are willing to make them 1st year rewards. If its a first year reward then I think it can do anything.
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Kayne
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Long thread is long!
Anyway make them a 10mil a time goldsink to change which shard they represent. This can only be done once every 60 days
Anyway make them a 10mil a time goldsink to change which shard they represent. This can only be done once every 60 days
Obviously your own selective reading skills must have missed all Popps' replies and arguments to my posts in the other threads on this topic.
The only one looking like an ASS here is you, calling names and initiating a personal attack. Pretty much the definition of a TROLL.
Don't bother replying to me. I won't see it.
When you turn 14 you get 2 choices and if you are going to pick these you wil take two of them. 1 for your home shard and one for the shard you want to go to. So as they stand now you get 24 tokens a year at $20 thats $480. If they allow us to change them at the cost of the token then we will xfer only 6 times a year, 12 tokens, thats $240 a year.
Most 14yr vets will have more than just 2 choices and if they are going to pick these then they will pick more than just 2 of these so EA/UO has already accepted that 14 yr vet will prob. never buy Char Xfers from them again. So allowing us to change them will not change that fact, but at the cost of that months token it would then reduce Xfers to 6 round trips per year.
These will do one of two things;
1 drive prices up on all shards to the big shards or
2 drive down prices on al shards to the smaller shards.
Prob drive them all up.
The more you can change these the more Xfer tokens you will lose, so really the more in this case is better, not less.
Most 14yr vets will have more than just 2 choices and if they are going to pick these then they will pick more than just 2 of these so EA/UO has already accepted that 14 yr vet will prob. never buy Char Xfers from them again. So allowing us to change them will not change that fact, but at the cost of that months token it would then reduce Xfers to 6 round trips per year.
These will do one of two things;
1 drive prices up on all shards to the big shards or
2 drive down prices on al shards to the smaller shards.
Prob drive them all up.
The more you can change these the more Xfer tokens you will lose, so really the more in this case is better, not less.
Really could care less if you see this or not. This is not about other threads, this is about this thread and you make this statment
And you are wrong because there are people that did agree with Popps (about this idea). Popps may be long winded and all but to accuse him of attacking or trolling you in other threads is something I don't think he has it in him to do. Yes he may disagree with you (long winded) but attack, no way or maybe you took it that way.
IMHO just because Popps posted it you are against it no matter what it is. Yes most of the stuff he asks for (in the name of balance) even gets to me.
This is not about balance, this is about making these fit more players than just the sellers/buyers/farmers which these are perfect for. With this change it also includes the players that would like to visit other shards/events (rares fest) that changes location every 3-4 months.
IMHO this is one of Popps better ideas.
I have no clue about others but personally, for example, I have only transferred once in years that I can remember.......
What I am trying to say, is that while I can see that certainly there are players who transfer often, whatever the resons, there also are players like me, who only may transfer once in a blue moon, if at all........
Now, as I see it, for a player that is transfer costs concerned, and thus makes hardly no use of transfers, even if they could make use of a free transfer token once a month this would mean no revenue loss since, if they had to buy the tokens, they would not buy them as they have not been buying them for the past years.
What I am trying to say, is that having the ability to use a "free" transfer token once per month does not necessarily equate to a loss of revenue. It depends whether the player was already a frequent traveller across shards or not much interested at all.
So, really, as I see it, it is hard to say that this Veteran Reward might cause much revenue losses being it account bound. It all depends on the players that will be eligible to use it and their playing style.
Definately, I think, for those Veteran Players who hardly ever transferred the ability of 1 free transfer per month, even if the shard could be changed, would not much really equate to any loss of revenues since, if they had to pay, they'd not purchase the transfer codes anyways......
Were they given a free opportunity to transfer, though, they "might" try it out out of sheer curiosity, perhaps.
Yes but many more do switch shards quite a bit. You may have heard of raresfest? This gives them a large real world money advatange over other players. I did the math up above. Now if they wanted to turn it from a 14th year vet reward to a 1st year then I would say this is fine. But as it currently stands it is just to much to have it change shards without some cost to the player. The having it only be able to do it a few times a year and cost 10 million was a decent offset.
You get 2 picks when you turn 14 so it would be best to pick 2 shields. 1 for your home shard and one for the shard you want to go to. Wait for both shields to spawn a Xfer token and get both tokens and enjoy your free round trip. You can not buy these Shields, they are account bound and so is the Xfer token. You just saved $40 and now you must wait a month to do it again.
12 round trip xfers a year EA/UO loses $480a year.
If they let the Shard Shield be changeable every 2nd month at the cost of that months Xfer token then you could only do 6 round trip xfers a year EA/UO loses only $240 a year.
If they let the Shard Shield be changeable every 3rd month at the cost of that months Xfer token then you could only do 8 round trip xfers a year EA/UO loses $320a year.
So as you see by letting them change sooner EA/UO saves more money.
Yes but it allows them more shards thereby making it not a trip to one other shard but to every shard. As you can see this wouldn't be a limited transfer token it would be a transfer token machine. Which is why I think that if they are going to allow that add in the gold sink of 10 million gold per change. That would help operate as a gold sink.
*blink*...nuff said. Except:
There's a whole crapload of stuff I might "try" if there is no risk, effort, or cost involved at all.
This is Ultima Online, you want Staples.
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RavenWinterHawk
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Actually a good idea but I would go with a steeper price of 50 million gold.
They are a vet reward so there is no gold cost to get your token every month. You will get 12 FREE tokens every year from every Shard Shield you pick. The more shields you pick the more tokens you get. 2 shields you get 24, 3 shields 36 tokens. Most 14 year accounts have left over picks so you will see some houses with 5 or more shields. In 4 months I will be able to pick 5 shields. That is 60 Xfer tokens a year ($1200).
Yes to go back to one shard. I am not sure where you are getting hung up on this? Someone said they wanted it to be changable. People are countering if you want that make each change cost 10 million gold, or more recently 50 million gold. That way changing it acts as a gold sink. The reason I say that is as of right now you need to pay $20 for the one way trip there to use your token back. That appears to be the inital design of these shields.
For that you could just buy 2 or 3 Char Xfer Tokens from other players and just use oyur home shard shield to come home. I dont think gold is the answer here but the Token itself would cost you $20 that month and limit you to 6 round trips a year vice 12.
But the trip costs you nothing if you also chose a shield that is your home shard. You will be able to own as many of these as you have 14th year vet reward picks. To not make one of these your home shard would be a little strange.
14 year old vets have paid their dues.. hell give them a universal token that lets them do whatever they want.
i wish they would come out with some vet reward that lets you adjust stats on the fly
want 120 str, click a button.
im at the point where i think stats are harder to get then skills....
maybe they can make a 15 yr vet reward that gives out adv char tokens
here that devs, an IDEA
i wish they would come out with some vet reward that lets you adjust stats on the fly
want 120 str, click a button.
im at the point where i think stats are harder to get then skills....
maybe they can make a 15 yr vet reward that gives out adv char tokens
here that devs, an IDEA
so why do you have a long winded opinion about something you will NOT use?
you seem to have a war and peace input in EVERYTHING UO, whether it affects you or not, are you in charge here? like the sound of your own voice
maybe Popps you should just keep it shut and ONLY flannel the hell out of something that is relevent to YOU?
i personally am rallying around a paid version of the shield as it will GREATLY improve my game play, "as i see it" i dont do champs so i dont say anthing to influence them, "now" this is what i think you should do
"just my 2 cents"
see where i am going with this Popps, you may be nearing 14 year vet status, if you wont be using a shield then pick something else, certainly dont try to have them change because you want a pretty colour every month that is obsurd, oh hang on its you
how about you debate to death the undertaker's staff?
I think it's about time for a dev to step in and speak on this and all the other threads concerning these shields. Kind of rediculous to have a few topics going on when the devs know what the actual plans and how they work.
All this specualtion on what the shields "should" do, who "should" get them, how they "should" work, ect ect etc is getting insane. People are going to be upset and disappointed either way the shields go.
If everybody can get them you are going to have part of the player base QQ about it.
If it's only for 14 year old vets you are going to have part of the player base QQ about it.
If it works a specific way then you are going to have part of the player base QQ about it.
It's a no win situation either direction the devs go.
So did the devs fall off the earth again? If not, please devs, end the debate by addressing the shields issues that some are having.
All this specualtion on what the shields "should" do, who "should" get them, how they "should" work, ect ect etc is getting insane. People are going to be upset and disappointed either way the shields go.
If everybody can get them you are going to have part of the player base QQ about it.
If it's only for 14 year old vets you are going to have part of the player base QQ about it.
If it works a specific way then you are going to have part of the player base QQ about it.
It's a no win situation either direction the devs go.
So did the devs fall off the earth again? If not, please devs, end the debate by addressing the shields issues that some are having.
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Deisree888
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I say you should be able to buy them at the uo codestore and they stay the same as stated. But they should also be a 14 yr reward. So the 14 year players get them for free. Not having to pay say 20-30 bucks is a reward in its self.
Bingo
Because I "might" use them if the circumstances were favourable (and of course, if my account had the eligible active age...)......
Which means, the ability to transfer to a Shard not because I have to, whether for needs or business convenience, but out of sheer curiosity.
Of course, this ability to transfer should not come at a cost for me because I am not doing it for any particular conveniency, but simply to "try out" another Shard with a developed character, to see whether I may or not enjoy it.
That's where the ability to change Shard to the Shard Shield from one month to another would come very handy. This way, the player who may want to hop to a Shard here and a Shard there, just for the sake of it, for no particulaer reason, could do it over time, slowly, but using up just 1 Veteran Reward and not dozens of them that would pile up account bound tokens all to the same one shards which the player will never use because he did not like those shards.......
It was my understanding, but perhaps I understood wrong, that discussion Forums about the game, like UHall, where intended to bring up discussions about the design and better functioning of the game.
I happen to think that allowing the changing of the Shard for the Shard Shield would be a sound improvement to this new item which would hardly have any penalizing effect. I see really quite more positives from such a change than negatives. Therefore, it would be a bettering of the game, as I see it.
We are getting Arenas.
Allowing the changing of the Shard for the Shard Shield from one month to the other, could allow the 14th Year Veteran player, just for the fun to participate in Arenas fights on other Shards, versus other Veteran players and other players living on that Shard, to hop for free, once per couple of months (for a round trip to take place), onto whatever Shard they would be interested in, for free, just for the sake of it, for the fun to have Arena fights with players not known. If Veteran players had to pay for transfer tokens they would not do it, at least several among them would not. But given a free opportunity, why not ?
Of course, not if a Veteran player had to have dozens of Shard Shields to cover all of the Shards with Arenas........that would be a waste of tokens and Vet Rerward picks.
But if the Shard location was changeable from one month to another, it would make it possible and much more handy.
Sure, it would be a privilege reserved to 14th Year Veteran players but that is the whole concept of being a high end Veteran player, right ? Be entitled to certain privileges because of the very old active age of one's own account.......
A paid version of the Shard Shield, as I see it, would be quite harmfull to the game because it might substantially reduce revenues that where coming from the sale of transfer tokens.
One thing is allowing a limited number of 14th Year Veteran players to get 1 free token per month, account bound, an entire other is letting every player be able to pay a small amount of money (compared to what they would have to spend in transfer tokens to achieve equal transferring necessities...) to get these Shard Shields. I do not see such a thing as positive for Ultima Online.
I mean, let's ask ourselves, "why" would players spend money on buying a Shard Shield if not because they think that with such a purchase they will save money in the long run ?
Just this thinking, shows how allowing the sale of Shard Shields will cost money to Ultima Online in a moment where it is important to secure revenues for continued development of the game, not to loose or reduce them......
Would it do any particular harm to allow the changing of the Shard to the Shard Shields ?
I explained my point that I think this would be pretty much a harmless change which would instead bring positives. So, no negatives, good positives then why not make this change ?
I may have thought a solution "trade off" to make the Shard Shields balance out the ability to change Shard from one month to the other AND reduce their impact to the sale of transfer tokens even further.
What solution ?
Allow the changing of the Shard from one month to the other BUT introduce a CAP to the number of Shard Shields that a 14th Year Veteran account can claim. At most 2 Shard Shields, period.
This way, any 14th Year Veteran Player would have the ability for 1 round trip per month (2 transfer tokens one to go and one to come back) but that's about it. Any other transfer over this 1 round trip per month the 14th Year Veteran would need to purchase transfer token codes like everyone else. Even with the limitation introduced by the CAP, 1 free round trip per month still looks to me a good bonus...
I think this would be a fair trade off, accomodate all Veteran players whether they need to transfer to same Shards or different ones AND, it would not harm much the sale of transfer token codes.
By the way, I would also lift the requirement to have it locked down in a house to produce the account bound transfer token. I would allow also the ability to use it out of a bank box or backpack so that Veteran players wanting to use it on a shard where they have no house because of the 1 house per account limitation, might still use it to get their 1 token for that month.
What solution ?
Allow the changing of the Shard from one month to the other BUT introduce a CAP to the number of Shard Shields that a 14th Year Veteran account can claim. At most 2 Shard Shields, period.
This way, any 14th Year Veteran Player would have the ability for 1 round trip per month (2 transfer tokens one to go and one to come back) but that's about it. Any other transfer over this 1 round trip per month the 14th Year Veteran would need to purchase transfer token codes like everyone else. Even with the limitation introduced by the CAP, 1 free round trip per month still looks to me a good bonus...
I think this would be a fair trade off, accomodate all Veteran players whether they need to transfer to same Shards or different ones AND, it would not harm much the sale of transfer token codes.
By the way, I would also lift the requirement to have it locked down in a house to produce the account bound transfer token. I would allow also the ability to use it out of a bank box or backpack so that Veteran players wanting to use it on a shard where they have no house because of the 1 house per account limitation, might still use it to get their 1 token for that month.
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