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Developer Pvp feedback

Lythos-

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I understand the OP, but how did this conversation get to powerscrolls??
The OP was about fel getting 0 content for a long, long time. The exception being 2 new spawn locations. That's it in almost a decade.
So what pvp'ers want is a new way to interact with each other. Possibly a chaos vs. order system that had tangible rewards based on players results.
It jumped to powerscrolls from talking about 0 fel content to the start of how we could find a happy medium between the two facets. I'm looking for equality where someone that wants to play in fel CAN.

It's such a late stage in the game to have exclusive content anymore. Yes the risk vs reward should fall into place somewhere along the lines of drop rates but it shouldn't be withheld any longer.

I do pvp some and I don't want rewards for it. I definately wouldn't want a system based on free items either. I was an avid member of Chaos/Order and i don't want that simple system changed. The only things i would even think of adding to it would be 1: kill/death menu like TC1 has and 2: Certain titles based on kill ratio in certain towns. (example- Lythos- (Order) Guardian of Luna). Something fun but not game changing.
 
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Capt.E

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In your case I'd say delete a character then. It's basically what you are asking for.

I want to do something new.
 

CovenantX

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The abyss added 2 new champion spawns.-

-They did however plan the escape route well, as the one spawn is directly connected to Tram, so blues can easily escape without being pursued too far.
Actually, both of the SA champ spawns have entrances/exits directly to trammel (underworld)
 

SixUnder

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The problem with the current blue population is we as in reds, have no say. we have not since OSI was in charge. And that was just our opinion.
want to fix felluca, make people want to live there with us? Listen to the reds such as myself, and others who have been here to experience it all.
 

Petra Fyde

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just out of simple curiousity, why are the two Abyss champ spawns totally ignored when listing Felucca assets?
The lich spawn particularly has some very sought after items spawning.
 

Orgional Farimir

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just out of simple curiousity, why are the two Abyss champ spawns totally ignored when listing Felucca assets?
The lich spawn particularly has some very sought after items spawning.
Not really. The lich spawn has a couple of decent armor drops, but those armor drops aren't really that great because of imbuing.

And the other one has no usefull drops. I don't know of one person in game who uses the wall of hungry mouths.
 
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Capt.E

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Petra- yes the 2 spawns in the abyss were the only new content in fel in over 10 years. They are a nice addition, but tram has gotten; malas, tokuno, abyss, doom, labyrinth, 5 new boss encounters, and regularly get events hosted by GMs. The few fel events I have been to have been poorly planned and executed and were completely ruined by greedy trammelites.

It would be nice to see some PVP orientated mini-games on a map about half the size of Sanctum.

Suggestions for games that could be played would be appreciated. Also this would be semi-consensual PVP. Any group of people could play here. Just setup a scenario and play it out with your friends or enemies. This is just a thought for something new we could all enjoy. Possibly it may improve people's abilities to fight in fel and more of the population may find felucca more attractive.
 

cazador

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Wrong wrong and and another helping of wrong. 7XGMs are a joke. PvP/PvM all require power scrolls. Tram is still waiting for equality from Pub16. :next:
You are silly 7x is not a joke I kill people in stat..all me being 6x 120 means is you die faster...get real an average Mage is still average no matter what his skills or armor is at...if I fought a below average to average Mage and I was gm Mage med eval resist scribe parry (poison,wrestle,wep skill) not only does that average to below average Mage die..but so does the dexxer...
 

Lord Frodo

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You are silly 7x is not a joke I kill people in stat..all me being 6x 120 means is you die faster...get real an average Mage is still average no matter what his skills or armor is at...if I fought a below average to average Mage and I was gm Mage med eval resist scribe parry (poison,wrestle,wep skill) not only does that average to below average Mage die..but so does the dexxer...
LOL You leave out the GM part in your answer and what you are trying to tell all of us that none of your chars have greater than 700 skill points. LMAO:next:
 

cazador

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LOL You leave out the GM part in your answer and what you are trying to tell all of us that none of your chars have greater than 700 skill points. LMAO:next:
No my point is that UO "is" the only game where skills as stats don't make or break your game..and yes I most certainly do still have characters that are 7x "GM" that I still do fight with and kill quite often..come to chessy ill show ya ;)
 

DankNuggets

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No my point is that UO "is" the only game where skills as stats don't make or break your game..and yes I most certainly do still have characters that are 7x "GM" that I still do fight with and kill quite often..come to chessy ill show ya ;)
True and False.
The gimp is prime example of a temp setup to abuse a certain combo/ unintended skill set.
I have a nox fencer that hasn't had his temp changed in over 6 or 7 years? I forget, but he's just as good 7xgm as he is 7x120. (imbuing is awesome sometimes.. +60 free skill points) BUT trying to pvp without a 120 weapon skill is foolish. He's 120 fencing and that has been that way for ever. But I've had that guy on foot vs 4 or 5 archers and lived, 6 years ago up to a month ago. Beast temp that's as old as dirt. The only problem with the char is the stamina, but as with anything, you adapt and prepare.

I agree tho, overall in pvp skill points won't triumph over skill. That's the allure of pvp for me however. And the way I remember it being, you never knew what you would run into. These days it's pretty generic but still fun because of the human on the other end.
 

Jade of Sonoma

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-- it's unfair to restrict them to fel if they don't plan on adding new content to the desolate facet. I understand the need to feeling of a need to penalize for pking but the system is outdated and hasn't been touched in a long long time.- - - etc
Look what many PVP and PK players did to themselves when they did have complete freedom to go anywhere and do what they wanted. Their glorious field days victimizing good players, craftspeople, and new players came to an END because THEY made Trammel neccessary - - (as was clearly pointed out in the recent thread named 'My Story', where GalenKnighthawke wrote: "Anyone who ever doubts why Trammel was necessary, let them read this thread, and not just the original post.") :)

Are PVPers being unfairly treated and punished? Are PK being unfairly punished? Are Murderers being unfairly punished? They only want freedom to play anywhere so they can take advantage of everything offered in the game. Haven't they always had blue and red characters?

So why not give Trammelites the chance to find their own power scrolls too. Why are Trammelites being punished and having to make PK characters in order to get Power Scrolls. I never could understand why Feluccan's were rewarded with all that power and money.
 
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Viper09

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How about stop trailing off into old arguments and focus instead on the suggestion I made since you quoted it? I'm tired of the old dramatized arguments.
 

Berethrain

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Their glorious field days victimizing good players, craftspeople, and new players came to an END because THEY made Trammel neccessary
Yet both facets were full for at least a couple years after trammel. Hmm...


Are PVPers being unfairly treated and punished
No, just ignored. I mean, after all, this is a PVP thread. *Gasp*

So why not give Trammelites the chance to find their own power scrolls too. Why are Trammelites being punished and having to make PK characters in order to get Power Scrolls. I never could understand why Feluccan's were rewarded with all that power and money.
Stop pancakes that it's not "fair" people who don't play in fel don't get to get power scrolls. Everything else isn't enough for you?

Now run along and let the grown ups talk.
 

GalenKnighthawke

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Yet both facets were full for at least a couple years after trammel. Hmm...
If this were true there wouldn't have been the long line of incentives to get people to go to Fel, incentives which have worked for awhile, then long-term failed.

UO:R was in May 2000. Khaldun was in September of that very same year. Publish 16 was in 2002, within any definition of "a couple of years." If Fel were full on its own merits, no need for incentives to get there.

Stop pancakes that it's not "fair" people who don't play in fel don't get to get power scrolls. Everything else isn't enough for you?
I have long-listed the unique Fel content. It is not my fault if you ignore it.

Now run along and let the grown ups talk.
Lacking reality, insults are all you have.

*shrugs*

It's not that the devs ignore Fel. It's that Fellies ignore what they have and the rest of the players ignore Fel no matter how much it's not ignored.

-Galen's player
 

Lythos-

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Look what many PVP and PK players did to themselves when they did have complete freedom to go anywhere and do what they wanted. Their glorious field days victimizing good players, craftspeople, and new players came to an END because THEY made Trammel neccessary - - (as was clearly pointed out in the recent thread named 'My Story', where GalenKnighthawke wrote: "Anyone who ever doubts why Trammel was necessary, let them read this thread, and not just the original post.") :)

Are PVPers being unfairly treated and punished? Are PK being unfairly punished? Are Murderers being unfairly punished? They only want freedom to play anywhere so they can take advantage of everything offered in the game. Haven't they always had blue and red characters?

So why not give Trammelites the chance to find their own power scrolls too. Why are Trammelites being punished and having to make PK characters in order to get Power Scrolls. I never could understand why Feluccan's were rewarded with all that power and money.
Had freedom to go anywhere? Reds were guardwacked for going into towns and the only bank they could even use was Bucs den. Even there blues had the place camped. I'm not taking away that reds had their way with some people but it also worked both ways.

How about the fact that until a few years ago there were more red healers in TRAM than there was in Fel? Because that makes a lot of sense... I've died in spawns and had to walk all the way to the chaos shrine for a rez because every healer i saw was blue. Although i am against reds entering tram rulesets i am for equality and equal content on both facets.

"Why are Trammelites being punished to make PK characters to get powerscrolls?" I guess the same reason Fel players have to make blues to enjoy the rest of the content. Doesn't seem very fair when it's put that way is it?

I've already explained in this thread but a lot of you still don't understand. Tram got Doom as the tradeoff for fel getting spawns. Every player wanted powerscrolls and back then every player NEEDED doom arties. Ornis, HoM, Spirit of Totem, Jackals, Hunters Headress. All that power and money? I've never paid 50mil for a powerscroll but yet i've bought more than one Orni for that price back in the day. Who's really got the money making opportunities? But i am all for Tram getting scrolls. The game is getting way too old to discriminate.

From there let's see. Cu's, Treasures of Tokuno, Reptallions, Hiryu's, Rune Beetles, Ter Mur, Special gathering resources in Ter Mur, the underworld, THE ABILITY TO RECALL INTO A DUNGEON, and the main thing i don't understand...imbuing ingredients in a tram ruleset while fel players may or may not get a 120 scroll or even get to keep scrolls from their hard work doing a spawn.
 

Jade of Sonoma

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Had freedom to go anywhere? Reds were guardwacked for going into towns and the only bank they could even use was Bucs den. Even there blues had the place camped. I'm not taking away that reds had their way with some people but it also worked both ways.
If it hadn't worked both ways I wouldn't still be here. It went against my grain to hurt and rob from others. That side of things was not who I am or ever will be. I didn't make a PK character in order to get the Power scrolls. I do without the power scrolls because I won't pay for them.

How about the fact that until a few years ago there were more red healers in TRAM than there were in FEL.
I tamed all over the world and didn't see a lack of Red Healers everywhere when I needed a blue one. Don't worry. I know what you are talking about. Mostly I liked to play, other than taming everywhere, in the old world, between BRIT, SCARA and the player village built along the Top of the Swamp South of Destard, and a red healer was stationed in the area NW above the dungeon as well as a blue healer and the shrines inside the dungeon were for rezzing. You only needed to know where to locate the Red Healers. They were always there and everywhere.

"Why are Trammelites being punished to make PK characters to get powerscrolls?" I guess the same reason Fel players have to make blues to enjoy the rest of the content. Doesn't seem very fair when it's put that way is it?
Feluccans have been rewarded exclusively with power scrolls all these many years. Nothing can make up for that now. Too late. Now the Feluccans are asking that murderers be allowed into all Trammelite lands without having to make BLUE characters. I don't understand your response. Nothing changes the fact that the Power Scrolls stayed in Felucca while the BLUES Counterparts lived in Trammel and enjoyed the safe life and all it has to offer, while also being behind the PK PVPers and Thieves and profiting from their exlusive right to have the power scrolls. NOTHING can make up for that.
I am suggesting the power scrolls should have always been applied to Trammel, and more so now if Reds are allowed to come into Trammel lands and be able to enjoy all the things available to them. The very same Reds have been able to get their other needs with Blue Characters that live and move freely about in Trammel.

Trammel was supposed to be for Players who don't PVP so they could safely do their crafts and enjoy elements of the game without having to hurt others and be killed and robbed all the time. The great exodus from the Old World to the New World was unexpected? No Kidding. The PK and PVPers and thieves opened more accounts to place housing in the new world. Lythos, you may not have been one of them but that is how they operated hense forth. Many of those players who moved to Trammel were BLUES who also had PVP PK CRIMINAL THIEVES and Red Guilds in Felucca while operating more than one UO account. The Feluccans have always continued to find ways to trick and lure victims to Felucca. The developers didn't expect 80% of the population would leave Felucca and never return when Trammel opened. I hung on for years in both worlds, but when the greater Dragon consumed Destard Dungeon, I finally dropped my very small house at Destard entrance in order to place a castle in Trammel.

I've already explained in this thread but a lot of you still don't understand. Tram got Doom as the tradeoff for fel getting spawns. Every player wanted powerscrolls and back then every player NEEDED doom arties. Ornis, HoM, Spirit of Totem, Jackals, Hunters Headress. All that power and money? I've never paid 50mil for a powerscroll but yet i've bought more than one Orni for that price back in the day. Who's really got the money making opportunities? But i am all for Tram getting scrolls. The game is getting way too old to discriminate.

From there let's see. Cu's, Treasures of Tokuno, Reptallions, Hiryu's, Rune Beetles, Ter Mur, Special gathering resources in Ter Mur, the underworld, THE ABILITY TO RECALL INTO A DUNGEON, and the main thing i don't understand...imbuing ingredients in a tram ruleset while fel players may or may not get a 120 scroll or even get to keep scrolls from their hard work doing a spawn.
DOOM, LOST LANDS, all that Trammelites enjoy and BLUES enjoy who have PK and Reds in Felucca also .. they aren't a trade-off. Didn't you take advantage of what was available in Trammel by having BLUE characters living in the new world? That's what most guilds and players did and still do who advocate Felucca. BUT for Players who wanted OUT of Felucca because they found killing and hurting others very repulsive and find being killed very very depressing, are not inclined to make Red or PVP characters in order to get power scrolls.

Many Seniors have been the backbone support of UO and are not kids. Their slant on life is not to harm but to be constructive and not hurt others. They still like to Play UO, PVM, make strong characters, and do crafts. Running Vendors is almost impossible now because of too many reasons but that and house decorations is a great way to enjoy a game when you get older.

Each to his own but why reward Evil with something for which the Good Citizens have to pay high prices. Looking back over the years I can remember being victimized to death, so to speak, by bullies who most likely young and needed to be spanked. That's where the adults in many blue guilds took the upper hand. But that is the heart of what I am talking about when I say Power Scrolls should not have been left in the hands of Feluccan's only. Trammel was brought about by the actions of many who had too much freedom to do as they pleased without consequence.
 
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Lythos-

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I understand your points but you still fail to see mine.
I am suggesting the power scrolls should have always been applied to Trammel, and more so now if Reds are allowed to come into Trammel lands and be able to enjoy all the things available to them. The very same Reds have been able to get their other needs with Blue Characters that live and move freely about in Trammel.

DOOM, LOST LANDS, all that Trammelites enjoy and BLUES enjoy who have PK and Reds in Felucca also .. they aren't a trade-off. Didn't you take advantage of what was available in Trammel by having BLUE characters living in the new world? That's what most guilds and players did and still do who advocate Felucca. BUT for Players who wanted OUT of Felucca because they found killing and hurting others very repulsive and find being killed very very depressing, are not inclined to make Red or PVP characters in order to get power scrolls.
I understand all your points and i agree. If people want safety give it to them. I'm not here to advocate taking that away at all. I'm here to try to get equality to all.
I am also suggesting scrolls be added to trammel rulesets.
I am also against reds being allowed into tram BUT i would like equal content added to fel.

I do see Doom as a tradeoff because people like myself just don't like tram rulesets and don't want to go. I'm not the only one just like there's people that refuse to leave tram rulesets. I have partaked in ToT and tried the underworld. Luna is the only time i enter a tram ruleset.

You say to make a blue and play in tram. Players like me shouldn't have to just like players shouldn't have to go to fel if they don't want to. Equality is all i'm saying.
 

Speaking the Truth

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Actually if you want to get down to it, there are powerscrolls in tram so tram has everything as far as your argument about doom and tram.You can get 105s and bind them. I don't care how long it takes, fact is you can do that in tram, fel can't get slithers. Perfect example of how tram has more advantages.

Tram has it better for just about anything.

Also you don't need a red to do a spawn as this jade person is saying. In fact there are so many shards you could probably farm on day and night and no one will bother you. You would want to do this on a blue so you could be protected so I'm not sure why you think reds are the way to go. Also another option is killing the reds.

The game was fine before trammel and there were plenty of places blues were safe, now trammies just want to cry about everything. Also everyone is right, all the new content is almost always tram only.
 

Jade of Sonoma

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I understand your points but you still fail to see mine.


I understand all your points and i agree. If people want safety give it to them. I'm not here to advocate taking that away at all. I'm here to try to get equality to all.
I am also suggesting scrolls be added to trammel rulesets.
I am also against reds being allowed into tram BUT i would like equal content added to fel.

I do see Doom as a tradeoff because people like myself just don't like tram rulesets and don't want to go. I'm not the only one just like there's people that refuse to leave tram rulesets. I have partaked in ToT and tried the underworld. Luna is the only time i enter a tram ruleset.

You say to make a blue and play in tram. Players like me shouldn't have to just like players shouldn't have to go to fel if they don't want to. Equality is all i'm saying.
You are correct in that I didn't quite understand what point you were making. I always thought there would be equal "content" since Trammel was supposed to be a Mirror Reflection of the old world. The exclusion of OCLLO from Trammel was very surprising.
Ocllo is an island town found only on the Felucca facet. In the same location on the Trammel facet can be found both New Haven and Old Haven. Ocllo is a hilly island with a great inland sea where the primary trade is ostensibly Fishing

The later expansions are new areas of land added to the game, but are not of the Old World so weren't intended to be included in a mirror image of the old world. Thus I never thought of new places as being anything connected with the old world. Yet I suppose those new places should be included if all the expansions are considered Sosaria. I expect it is more a convenient way to keep the game running rather than any kind of punishment inflicted on the Reds.
 

Jade of Sonoma

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The game was fine before trammel and there were plenty of places blues were safe, now trammies just want to cry about everything. Also everyone is right, all the new content is almost always tram only.
- - and you aren't crying right now about Trammelites getting more than you do?

Actually if you want to get down to it, there are powerscrolls in tram so tram has everything as far as your argument about doom and tram.You can get 105s and bind them. I don't care how long it takes, fact is you can do that in tram, fel can't get slithers. Perfect example of how tram has more advantages.
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Speaking the Truth, like many other Trammelites, I have chests full of lesser power scrolls and a scribe that makes binding scrolls but my 120's came from the Old world before binding was available, and in order to get them myself I often had to go along with friends.

This Game was NOT fine before Trammel. Of course you would find it great. Player killers and PVPer, thieves and murderers who cared very little about what effect their style of game play had on innocent victims had a world to themselves that was full of paying victims because it was the only world available.
 
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Petra Fyde

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Actually if you want to get down to it, there are powerscrolls in tram so tram has everything as far as your argument about doom and tram.You can get 105s and bind them.
I have no memory of this being introduced, and don't have it mentioned on our powerscrolls page. Can someone point me to the publish in which it happened so that I might update the page please?
 

dukarlo

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Anyone that never played pre ren has never played true UO. UO was truely great then because it was player driven. It was actually too smart a game for the average gamer. It was more than a game actually, it was a world. Too many players cried because they didnt get thier way and maybe got robbed or pked so EA gave UO the "Dumbed Down" mass market treatment. The average player wasnt smart enough or patient enough to learn how to survive and not be a sheep. People cry about UOs negatives in the early days but it was those negatives(the freedom of the player) that made UO memorable and unlike anything that came before or after it. UO is just a shell of its formers greatness. It still has its moments but the reality is both Trammel and Fel are abominations to UO.
 

Lord Frodo

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I have no memory of this being introduced, and don't have it mentioned on our powerscrolls page. Can someone point me to the publish in which it happened so that I might update the page please?
I checked UOStratics and UOGuide and I too want to know where these are spawning.
 

Lord Frodo

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Anyone that never played pre ren has never played true UO. UO was truely great then because it was player driven. It was actually too smart a game for the average gamer. It was more than a game actually, it was a world. Too many players cried because they didnt get thier way and maybe got robbed or pked so EA gave UO the "Dumbed Down" mass market treatment. The average player wasnt smart enough or patient enough to learn how to survive and not be a sheep. People cry about UOs negatives in the early days but it was those negatives(the freedom of the player) that made UO memorable and unlike anything that came before or after it. UO is just a shell of its formers greatness. It still has its moments but the reality is both Trammel and Fel are abominations to UO.
LMAO It was "the freedom of the player" that almost destroyed UO back then (yes I was there). FACT TRAM SAVED UO.
 

Lord Frodo

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Actually if you want to get down to it, there are powerscrolls in tram so tram has everything as far as your argument about doom and tram.You can get 105s and bind them. I don't care how long it takes, fact is you can do that in tram, fel can't get slithers. Perfect example of how tram has more advantages.

Tram has it better for just about anything.

Also you don't need a red to do a spawn as this jade person is saying. In fact there are so many shards you could probably farm on day and night and no one will bother you. You would want to do this on a blue so you could be protected so I'm not sure why you think reds are the way to go. Also another option is killing the reds.

The game was fine before trammel and there were plenty of places blues were safe, now trammies just want to cry about everything. Also everyone is right, all the new content is almost always tram only.
:rolleyes:
 

CovenantX

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In a "Felluccans" perspective, you NEED to go to tram to most of the good artifacts, namely all SA Peerless arties which are going for tons $ right now.

I could careless if they added all power-scrolls to Tram, There would be NOTHING exclusive to fel, and a fraction of the content. If you ask me, Fel either needs an equal land-mass (same content) or MORE EXCLUSIVE THINGS, compared to the tram-side of things...

Preferably more exclusive content, because if everything is the same in Tram & fel, what's the point in going to fel because there's no benefit to allowing yourself to be attacked by other players.


I also cannot believe that "Trammies" still complain about powerscrolls being Only in fel... Why is it NOT OK, for "Felluccans" to complain about "Most" of the game being Only in tram?
 
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Scrolls in Fel are a old story and hardly worth crying about. You can farm any spawn on 95% of the shards you feel like doing and never see another person. If you happen to see said people chances are they are either so rusty from lack of PvP that leaving or killing them is easy or they will just join you to see if you will attack.

I still would rather farm in Fel as I enjoy the area and I don't have to deal with knobs but the recall and lack of marked runes annoys me and time has made myself lazy.
 

SixUnder

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Petra- yes the 2 spawns in the abyss were the only new content in fel in over 10 years. They are a nice addition, but tram has gotten; malas, tokuno, abyss, doom, labyrinth, 5 new boss encounters, and regularly get events hosted by GMs. The few fel events I have been to have been poorly planned and executed and were completely ruined by greedy trammelites.

It would be nice to see some PVP orientated mini-games on a map about half the size of Sanctum.

Suggestions for games that could be played would be appreciated. Also this would be semi-consensual PVP. Any group of people could play here. Just setup a scenario and play it out with your friends or enemies. This is just a thought for something new we could all enjoy. Possibly it may improve people's abilities to fight in fel and more of the population may find felucca more attractive.
:ten:
 

Speaking the Truth

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- - and you aren't crying right now about Trammelites getting more than you do?



Speaking the Truth, like many other Trammelites, I have chests full of lesser power scrolls and a scribe that makes binding scrolls but my 120's came from the Old world before binding was available, and in order to get them myself I often had to go along with friends.

This Game was NOT fine before Trammel. Of course you would find it great. Player killers and PVPer, thieves and murderers who cared very little about what effect their style of game play had on innocent victims had a world to themselves that was full of paying victims because it was the only world available.
No, I'm not. I'm simply pointing out trammies already have it good and yet they still complain that they don't have EVERYTHING. I guess a majority of the content isn't enough, they want all or bust.
To be a blue/trammie you get access to a lot of things that reds don't.
Virtues
Pets
Training pets [is especially easy in tram]
3.0-5.0 SoT
Artifacts
Luna
This list goes on and on.

What was not fine? There were plenty of places you could go and be safe. I'm sorry that you want everyone to just hold hands. Some people like playing the role of the evil side. Without darkness there is no light.
 

Jade of Sonoma

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- - I'm simply pointing out trammies already have it good and yet they still complain that they don't have EVERYTHING. I guess a majority of the content isn't enough, they want all or bust - -
I'll give you this much at least .. yes. So many players think they should be rewarded all the time and get everything they need RIGHT NOW. But that is the way children and adults who haven't grown up yet, think. I have lived through years of the OLD WORLD and there isn't much that surprises me any longer. There are players who WORK at getting ahead, and then there are those who expect everything handed to them on a golden platter -- and that goes for both sides of the fence no matter how many different ways I find in the English language to say the same thing.

NOW it's almost night here .. and time for the gouls!

HALLOWEEN!



... My named- Skeleton's bones are making themselves useful by holding up brightly lit Jack O' lanterns !
 
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Lord Frodo

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Actually if you want to get down to it, there are powerscrolls in tram so tram has everything as far as your argument about doom and tram.You can get 105s and bind them.
Still wont tell us where to get these. Because you can't LMAO

No, I'm not.
Yes. You are.

To be a blue/trammie you get access to a lot of things that reds don't.
3.0-5.0 SoT
LMAO Once again you prove you are clueless.
The skill on the scroll is randomly selected. The number of points per scroll range from 0.1 to 0.5 in Trammel ruleset areas, and from 0.6 to 1.0 in Felucca.

What was not fine? There were plenty of places you could go and be safe. I'm sorry that you want everyone to just hold hands. Some people like playing the role of the evil side. Without darkness there is no light.
:rolleyes:
 

Viper09

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Can we get past the tired and old powerscroll/trammel debate? Past the tram/fel debate? This dead horse argument will be the death of this thread...
Is no one capable of taking a step back and objectively looking at the situation without getting drawn into these arguments?
 
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Speaking the Truth

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I'll give you this much at least .. yes. So many players think they should be rewarded all the time and get everything they need RIGHT NOW. But that is the way children and adults who haven't grown up yet, think. I have lived through years of the OLD WORLD and there isn't much that surprises me any longer. There are players who WORK at getting ahead, and then there are those who expect everything handed to them on a golden platter -- and that goes for both sides of the fence no matter how many different ways I find in the English language to say the same thing.

NOW it's almost night here .. and time for the gouls!

HALLOWEEN!



... My named- Skeleton's bones are making themselves useful by holding up brightly lit Jack O' lanterns !
I'm with you, I've been around since day 1. I don't understand whats so difficult about some facets get some something that's exclusive while others get something else.

I do however believe that the tram side has it better, but its not to say that at least fel has the power scrolls. However the price of them has dropped so much that the tram side really wins in this pros and cons argument.
 

Speaking the Truth

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Still wont tell us where to get these. Because you can't LMAO

Yes. You are.

LMAO Once again you prove you are clueless.
The skill on the scroll is randomly selected. The number of points per scroll range from 0.1 to 0.5 in Trammel ruleset areas, and from 0.6 to 1.0 in Felucca.

:rolleyes:
See this is what you don't get. I'm not demanding that Slithers be up for grabs in fel. I'm not crying for artifacts to be in fel. I'm not asking for easier training to be in fel.

I did however list that much more things are in tram than fel.

Also no, as it was already said, I was indeed talking about 3.0 SoTs. in tram.

Lastly I was given bad information. I was told that in addition to .1-.5 sots that tram had 105 power scrolls. Disinformation..

If that's all you have in an argument you're still lacking lots of points compared to what I came up with without thinking about it. I think we can both agree tram has it better, and to want it all..well this link is for you.

 
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