Death and Dressing

[Mervyn]

A lot of people have asked for the insta dress ability on the classic client.

I'm going to throw this out there:

I say that dressing on EC should take as long as CC. My reasons are: with insta dressing and the ability to insta loot your own corpse, dieing has become nothing now other than the loss of mana.

There are ways to insta self res like sacrifice and gift of life, or even a friend being quick.

In pvp situations, if a guy doesn't get stat lossed upon death, death has no effect on that persons ability to fight: insta res, insta dress, insta loot own corpse.

I'd go as far to say that EVERYONE should be in stat loss for 5 mins upon death. As currently dieing is just not a big deal anymore, and it should be.

 

[EvilPixieWorks]

I know this is totally off topic... and I’m so very sorry.

Your avatar is Jesus, yeah? This is your 666th post. lol I know that will change very soon, but I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. Leave it to a pixie to point this out.

 

[Pinco]

A lot of people have asked for the insta dress ability on the classic client.

I'm going to throw this out there:

I say that dressing on EC should take as long as CC. My reasons are: with insta dressing and the ability to insta loot your own corpse, dieing has become nothing now other than the loss of mana.

There are ways to insta self res like sacrifice and gift of life, or even a friend being quick.

In pvp situations, if a guy doesn't get stat lossed upon death, death has no effect on that persons ability to fight: insta res, insta dress, insta loot own corpse.

I'd go as far to say that EVERYONE should be in stat loss for 5 mins upon death. As currently dieing is just not a big deal anymore, and it should be.

You know, EC is not a cheat, if you want to use its features just use it instead of crying because CC don't have it... that's why is called Enhanced...

You like CC? then still play like a dinosaur without nice tools

 

[Klapauc]

A lot of people have asked for the insta dress ability on the classic client.

I'm going to throw this out there:

I say that dressing on EC should take as long as CC. My reasons are: with insta dressing and the ability to insta loot your own corpse, dieing has become nothing now other than the loss of mana.

There are ways to insta self res like sacrifice and gift of life, or even a friend being quick.

In pvp situations, if a guy doesn't get stat lossed upon death, death has no effect on that persons ability to fight: insta res, insta dress, insta loot own corpse.

I'd go as far to say that EVERYONE should be in stat loss for 5 mins upon death. As currently dieing is just not a big deal anymore, and it should be.

Let me guess. You had a fight with some blue trammies lately and they did exactly that?
Stat loss is the only real penalty for being in factions and having access to faction items and it should stay that way.
If that kind of stuff is an issue to you, there are shards with all fel rules and no insurance you know ...

 

[weins201]

If he used EC he couldn't use other programs to help him PvP

sorry don't know if he does or not but the only real reason to use CC is the "other" programs. EC is SOOOOO much better to play with and Pinco does a bang up job with his UI it is almost unfair - almost.

 

[Mervyn]

The disadvantages of using EC as a mage outweigh the advantages so i choose to use the CC.

If i played a dexxer i'd use EC and your UI, as it happens i'm more advanced.

And i hate to burst everyones bubble but speedhack works with pincos UI too.

And i don't want insta dress on CC, i don't want insta dress on EC, and if i'm playing like a dinosaur, how come i always win?

 

[Pinco]

The disadvantages of using EC as a mage outweigh the advantages so i choose to use the CC.

If i played a dexxer i'd use EC and your UI, as it happens i'm more advanced.

And i hate to burst everyones bubble but speedhack works with pincos UI too.

And i don't want insta dress on CC, i don't want insta dress on EC, and if i'm playing like a dinosaur, how come i always win?

the point is that there are no winner or loser in UO...
You can kill the best pvp guy 100 times but he still there, so for you to win is just get few gold from him?

I don't see your problems, really... if you don't like the quick dress just grab piece by piece and dress yourself manually, because dressing faster do not change anything... you still have 10hp no mana and no stamina to fight back so the whole thing is all about avoid 1000000 clicks

 

[Potgut]

I agree that death is not much of a big deal as it used to be, but I don't think it would be the best interest for the dev to re-introduce or add features that would make the game any bit more frustrating or tedious, just not the best thing these fun-entertainment type businesses.

Sometimes I'd get upset when they would add certain features that would make the gameplay more efficient (e.g. soulstones, runebooks (yes, there was a time when we didn't have runebooks), ethereal mounts, essential shops/bank that are footsteps away from each other in one building in luna, etc...) because I believe these kinds of things sometimes kills that journey-experience we would get from playing the game. Even though I know we have a choice to use these features, there would come a point down the road that if you want to compete in the same level, you simply coudn't avoid it.

 

[MalagAste]

I have to agree with Pinco... go ahead and cry unfair but that's why it's Enhanced.

And there are VERY few Disadvantages to the EC.

I may have to be forced into the CC VERY occasionally but that's becoming more and more rare.

Now if they could fix the fact that the Stairs in the EC do not "vanish" when you are in design mode in your home and you switch the walls to "invisible"... like they do in the CC then I'd NEVER have to use the CC EVER.

 

[Mervyn]

I agree that death is not much of a big deal as it used to be, but I don't think it would be the best interest for the dev to re-introduce or add features that would make the game any bit more frustrating or tedious, just not the best thing these fun-entertainment type businesses.

Sometimes I'd get upset when they would add certain features that would make the gameplay more efficient (e.g. soulstones, runebooks (yes, there was a time when we didn't have runebooks), ethereal mounts, essential shops/bank that are footsteps away from each other in one building in luna, etc...) because I believe these kinds of things sometimes kills that journey-experience we would get from playing the game. Even though I know we have a choice to use these features, there would come a point down the road that if you want to compete in the same level, you simply coudn't avoid it.

Yeah i liked the 24 hour timer on soulstones

Also let me clarify, i LIKE the EC, but i think the insta dress makes things too easy, yeah fine have one button to dress, but it shouldn't be insta.

 

[NBG]

To him, his way/reasoning is the one and only correct one and everyone else be damned. There is no reasoning with him.

Don't take my word for it just check all his recent posts.

 

[LadyNico]

Re: If he used EC he couldn't use other programs to help him PvP

sorry don't know if he does or not but the only real reason to use CC is the "other" programs. EC is SOOOOO much better to play with and Pinco does a bang up job with his UI it is almost unfair - almost.

I use UO Assist with CC. That's it.

The real reason I continue to use the Classic Client is...

Spoiler

...the graphics in the Enhanced Client are futt bugly.

 

[Lord Frodo]

You know, EC is not a cheat, if you want to use its features just use it instead of crying because CC don't have it... that's why is called Enhanced...

You like CC? then still play like a dinosaur without nice tools

Go ahead and play the client with the better tools. We play the client with the BETTER graphics.

 

[Rupert Avery]

Re: If he used EC he couldn't use other programs to help him PvP

I use UO Assist with CC. That's it.

The real reason I continue to use the Classic Client is...

Spoiler

...the graphics in the Enhanced Client are futt bugly.

we will have to agree to disagree there

 

[Mervyn]

I think things are flying off topic between EC and CC. The issue i was trying to address was the diminishing hardships of death.

There's sacrifice, blessed items, insta loot of own corpse, insta death, those wands that gather your items upon death.

 

[Pinco]

let's do not exagerate... CC has not better graphic, just easy for you to recognize after thousand of years of playing it...
EC has just different graphic and still work in progress, so the few ugly creatures can be improved in the future, instead CC still a low res 20 years old graphic

The graphic is just about personal taste... I know people think that super mario world has an awesome graphic and says new games (like skyrim) have an ugly graphic... here is the same

 

[LadyNico]

let's do not exagerate... CC has not better graphic, just easy for you to recognize after thousand of years of playing it...
EC has just different graphic and still work in progress, so the few ugly creatures can be improved in the future, instead CC still a low res 20 years old graphic

The graphic is just about personal taste... I know people think that super mario world has an awesome graphic and says new games (like skyrim) have an ugly graphic... here is the same

Au contraire, I would say let's not understate the sheer ugliness of the EC.

My PC set up is not restrictive, nor am I in any way limited to the Classic Client. I simply prefer the love & heart invested in the original pixel art.

EAMythic undervalues UO and it shows in how much time & love they permit the Development Team to devote to UO.

If I had one wish for UO, it would be that the Dev Team be given the resources to lavish a fraction of the love & care they want so much to give this beloved old grandad of a game. I quit holding my breath on that one over a decade ago.

EAMythic don't care beyond how much they can continue to suck out of us for their minimum investment. Only I can decide when EAMythic's lack of care is enough to tip the balance sufficiently for me to hit the cancel subscription buttons.

@ Mervyn: Pinco makes a very good point, the EC redressing macro is a benefit of using the EC. You are welcome to use the EC and benefit accordingly. Otherwise, you'll need to make do in the CC.

Weighing up whether EC or CC is better for you in your own particular circumstances with your own individual playstyle is a choice only you can make for yourself.

 

[andartshome]

i was cc all the way but now am ec for ever . people will allways dissagre but just be thankfull you all have a choice at the moment, i hope one day they sto[ waisting resources with the cc and i know yoy all will threaten to leave but if you love uo you will adapt as we all have to do
this is an evolving game some changes you like some you dont i have played since second age have left and returned so many times its hard to count and last time did the ultimate and gave all accounts away and yet iv still come back so that must say something

also earlier reply mentioned cc is popular because of other programs , i dont think they ment a speedhack i think they were talking about programs that make it very easy to play with cc that makes not only dressing but healing fighting choosing spells and so so so much moor easy to do PI makes playing uo fun witrhing the rules cc has ruined pvp moor than anything in my humble opinion

 

[Dermott of LS]

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Outside of a couple of creature models noted on thsi board, the "ugliness" of the CC is due to the use of CC graphics which simply do NOT scale well using the Zoom feature. They didn't in the 3d client and they don't in the EC.

Once the resolution revamp is done THEN get back to me on the graphics portion.

As for the UI options, that's what makes the "Enhanced Client... you know... ENHANCED. Want the options, use the client that has them.

 

[Theo_GL]

A lot of people have asked for the insta dress ability on the classic client.

I'm going to throw this out there:

I say that dressing on EC should take as long as CC. My reasons are: with insta dressing and the ability to insta loot your own corpse, dieing has become nothing now other than the loss of mana.

There are ways to insta self res like sacrifice and gift of life, or even a friend being quick.

In pvp situations, if a guy doesn't get stat lossed upon death, death has no effect on that persons ability to fight: insta res, insta dress, insta loot own corpse.

I'd go as far to say that EVERYONE should be in stat loss for 5 mins upon death. As currently dieing is just not a big deal anymore, and it should be.

Yes on the insta dress INCLUDING blessed items. Can't believe they haven't fixed this after 10 years. Of course - par for the course with our intern quality dev team.

In regards to stat loss - fine if my body doesn't decay for 15 min and monsters can no longer loot. Tired of rezzing after a nat storm got me killed in a pack of rat mages at a spawn and then hunting down and killing/looting them to find my pile of pinks.

 

[old gypsy]

let's do not exagerate... CC has not better graphic, just easy for you to recognize after thousand of years of playing it...
EC has just different graphic and still work in progress, so the few ugly creatures can be improved in the future, instead CC still a low res 20 years old graphic

The graphic is just about personal taste... I know people think that super mario world has an awesome graphic and says new games (like skyrim) have an ugly graphic... here is the same

As the saying goes, "Perception is everything."

I personally love the CC. That said, I'd be unlikely to criticize or oppose the EC unless I was forced to adopt it in order to play. Having both clients available to choose from is a good thing; and having chosen the CC, I also accept the differences in how the two clients function.

 

[PJay]

I totally Agree with Mervyn here. Its stupid to have two clients doing compleatly different things! its actually insane and ud never find it anywhere but UO.

Insta dress needs disabling yesterday. A few people insta change suits during battle that is just simply stupid.

This can also be grouped together with the fact Pincos Client is Far more uptodate and advanced than the Devs. Just the buffs give advantages and it seems criminal to me that the CC dosnt have these Simple additions.

If we want to go on about EC vs CC im affraid the EC camp looses everytime. 2 of our guild members play EC perma and they crash on average 2 - 3 times a night. The EC client is still as bugged as when released.

Id rather be a dinosaur than a chocolate fireguard.

 

[Meat Elemental]

I totally Agree with Mervyn here. Its stupid to have two clients doing compleatly different things! its actually insane and ud never find it anywhere but UO.

Insta dress needs disabling yesterday. A few people insta change suits during battle that is just simply stupid.

This can also be grouped together with the fact Pincos Client is Far more uptodate and advanced than the Devs. Just the buffs give advantages and it seems criminal to me that the CC dosnt have these Simple additions.

If we want to go on about EC vs CC im affraid the EC camp looses everytime. 2 of our guild members play EC perma and they crash on average 2 - 3 times a night. The EC client is still as bugged as when released.

Id rather be a dinosaur than ...a chocolate fireguard.

I havent crashed in weeks in ec playing about 6 hours a day...

 

[PJay]

Ah Meat Elementals not crashed that means its perfect!

All to EC........

 

[Vlaude]

I remember the first time someone saw me use the EC instant dress option after being rezzed and asked me in vent if I was using a cheat program. I had to explain to a bunch of people what it was, choosing my words carefully. It was one of those moments where you feel nervous explaining something even though you know you didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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It continues to amuse me how the EC is apparently worse than the CC that certain people refuse to use it no matter what yet the EC is so much better than the CC that the very same people complain that using the Enhanced options are equivalent to cheating.

I guess consistency isn't a requirement for some arguments.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

As a Classic Client player I do not begrudge, one bit, the various features of the Enhanced Client to my fellow players who use it.

As a Factions Player I do not begrudge one bit non-Factioners not being in skill loss.

There have only been two situations where something like a penalty you describe have been applied, that I can recall.

One was stat loss, applied only to reds as a penalty. (Hasn't been in the game for a long time, and now there's in effect no penalty for being red. But that of course isn't what you're concern is.)

The other was skill loss for Factioners (often called stat loss for some reason, as it does not apply to stats but to skills). This applied only to Factioners and was designed to make it easier for fights to have a conclusion if only temporary ones.

Neither of this stuff applies here. In normal PvP fights there's other ways to control the field; usually it's "everyone on the other side is dead, or cleared the field, all at the same time."

Imagine a stat or skill loss at, say an EM event.

I feel like I just wasted my time doing this post; the original post appears to have been done more in anger than anything else, and nothing I have to say will matter.

-Galen's player

 

[arkanos]

I personally would LOVE to be able to use the EC. Functions are amazing (with Pinco´s).
But there is one thing preventing me from doing this:

after about 45 minutes of playing the EC my eyes really start to hurt (no, I don´t think the graphics are especially ugly or especially great).
It has nothing to do with motion sickness, eyes simply hurt and I feel a headache coming.

This never happens with CC (well, maybe after about 10 hours).

I have played around with all graphic settings but cant seem to find any help for this.

And Mervin: if you always "win" anyway, see it as a challenge...

 

[aarons6]

i think they should remove stat loss.. it is not fair when you fight the same 4 people in factions and when they die they just log on their blues and start giving you murder counts and grief you..

stat loss is stupid.. you want them to be able to get back to the fight on their faction guys so you take more points from them, not log into blues to gain murder counts.

 

[PJay]

As for the UI options, that's what makes the "Enhanced Client... you know... ENHANCED. Want the options, use the client that has them.

So if the enhanced means added features such as auto looting corpses why a few years back was there a big who ha about a certain program because it did just that auto loot items from corpses? (result = banned)

It continues to amuse me how the EC is apparently worse than the CC that certain people refuse to use it no matter what yet the EC is so much better than the CC that the very same people complain that using the Enhanced options are equivalent to cheating.

Well if you were a newish player on cc and someone insta dressed insta swapped suits, moved faster round corners and auto navigate around things which block you. Would u not think how the hell? The answer im using the EC should not be stock!

Myself and Mervyn constantly test the EC every patch and currently its just not better than the CC for mage (spellcasters). *FACTS*

 

[Rupert Avery]

You can Auto loot your own corps on both clients,
you cannot auto loot things you have killed unless I am missing something...
you can one click loot individual items which is handy
but it doesn't auto loot

 

[Pinco]

seriously, Pjay and Mervyn if you don't/can't play EC it's fine, but you can't act like anti-progressive rabid dogs and try to convince everyone that you are right and everyone else not...
If I have a better car than yours is useless to cry about it, my car will still better until you decide to buy a new one
And if you don't like the airbag because is unfair, you take it off or you go to the factory trying to convince the owner that is unfair?

 

[weins201]

Sorry this needs to be locked it is sadley now a waste of time, ah to be a MOD

If the CC client is soooo much better why are you complaining that its abilities with pinco added a Cheat????

It is very simple they are both viable clients and have their merits If you lose well youlost sorry get over it get ressed and go back and fight again. In no way did a player slapping on his outfit with autolooting his body cause your failure in the battle.:whip:

As for a Mage there is NOOO way CC is better than EC for spell casting. The targeting choices alone are amazing.

Now if you aer using UO Assist te only leagal CC add on then you can ad some of the abilities in the EC.

 

[PJay]

As for a Mage there is NOOO way CC is better than EC for spell casting. The targeting choices alone are amazing

This statement isnt fact indeed it is fact that spellcasting times differ in both clients.

seriously, Pjay and Mervyn if you don't/can't play EC it's fine, but you can't act like anti-progressive rabid dogs and try to convince everyone that you are right and everyone else not...

This statement is also not fact. We are not anti progressive we wish the situation to be resolved either EC or CC. If both are to survive they both need to be similar. I agree with Mervyn that an EC with CC gfx toggle would be good progress. i.e. ditch the CC UI.

 

[weins201]

Spell Casting times = not spell casting

? Not the same an any way shape or form ?

Casting in general is much easier, more accurate, and simplified in EC.

As for Casting times there is ALOT more to it than the client.

 

[Pinco]

This statement isnt fact indeed it is fact that spellcasting times differ in both clients.



This statement is also not fact. We are not anti progressive we wish the situation to be resolved either EC or CC. If both are to survive they both need to be similar. I agree with Mervyn that an EC with CC gfx toggle would be good progress. i.e. ditch the CC UI.

CC graphics is made for this ancient piece of software, and needs a total rework to be ported in HD, so a switch to toggle both is not that easy.

CC can't have UI, it's too old and just to add a label requires 1 week of work... is like to try skyrim in a 486 with win 95: if you try, the installer starts laughing

 

[PJay]

? Not the same an any way shape or form ?

Casting in general is much easier, more accurate, and simplified in EC.

As for Casting times there is ALOT more to it than the client.

Casting times are important to a pvp mage and there are simple ways to check and spell combinations in EC are slower than CC (enough to make it count)

Yes Pincos im sure your right mervs fantasy will have to be that it would be good and if we have to move to the EC UI and say spellcasting isnt fixed at least everyone will be the same.

Currently to move to EC with my main mage would break 1 very powerful combo and weaken my template. Being an Enhanced Client i would expect nothing less than identical.

 

[Roland']

i played the cc for 8 years and the ec for 2 years.

there are exactly 2 things wrong with the ec.

#1. game crashes often. this is game breaking, inexcusable.

#2. cannot place fields next to each other going south to north like you can in CC. this is game breaking in dungeon fights. i dont care how pretty the fields look i cant click through them.

that said i will never go back to cc.

if i cared what any of you thought id put in 100 perks for using ec. 75 of them going to pinco.

why hasnt ea hired pinco yet anyway? prolly offered and cant afford him...