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Dear Dev's - Tamers Request for Zoo Changes

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I hope the Devs are taking notes of all this!


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Me too!!!!

And Flutter Happy Birthday for St Pats day.......Maybe the Dev's will give you lower decay for your birthday, oh and a nice shiney statue.

(pssst when is st patty's day? I know its march but that is it).
 
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I've got to jump in here on this one. I barely have time to keep up with all the events going on with my shard, and don't even have a tamer, but I live on Moonglow and care about the Zoo. I've spent plenty of gold on it, just to see it decay so fast.

I agree with the comments about it being an "excercise in futility." I'd love to see the darn thing work, but I've given up on it until there is a fix. There are too many other fun things to do ingame.
 
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I'm chiming in on this as well, since Moonglow is my home also. I think if people could visit a zoo that could hold a few animals for a while, the donations would actually increase. Who cares about a zoo that is barren?

Perhaps I am a bit tainted since, way back when, we HAD animals in the zoo. Some people took to using them for target practice and the DEVs simply took them all out rather than protecting them as they finally have now. Then for SOOOooo long, there was nothing there at all.

I just believe it's all been handled WRONG!
 
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Well it is grand to see people who call Moonglow home take an interest as it is in there back yard.

The other people apart from tamers in general that I thought should take an interest is any guild that claims to be tamer based - the tamers societies and guilds need to step up as well.

But this is also a community concern people should want to restore the community locations not see it wasted or less then in prime condition.

It is also a prime location and source of a player run event for those role players and people that just like to host events for there communities.

And the personal gains are not bad either, I mean a training tamer can donate and an experienced tamer and some of the times are grand indeed.

I believe zoo's would not only be booming if they would turn down the decay just a touch But also if these groups of people got involved.
 
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Greater dragons also need to be added in and give you a hell of alot of points when you turn them in.
Somethings got to be done!!

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It should be that "If you tame it, you can donate it". That would do wonders for the young tamers trying to get their skills up. You have any idea how dirty it feels to tame something, lie, lie, lie, and then be forced to release and kill your new pet?

Also if beasts such as dragons/Kirin/Hiryu would would be stripped of their items in backpack as they are turned in that would be nice. That is the one thing that really keeps me from donating on any of my tamers.........

/or make the drop command work on unbonded pets.
 
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I have been tracking the donations at the zoos on all shards since mid-November. It's been an interesting process overall; however, my overwhelming impression has been that many people feel that donating to the zoo is an exercise in futility. Attempting to use the zoo as an issue to pull a community together has worked on some shards; but on other shards it has not.

Individuals who have been around long enough to know about the zoo rewards and probably have the gold to afford them don't seem to be interested in dumping any more gold into the zoo to acquire more of them. Others who lack the gold to just buy the reward(s) they want are simply overwhelmed at the thought of the time it will take to earn a useful reward (e.g., donate 41 million gold or tame 11,000 unicorns or ki-rins to earn the 5-piece Zoo armor set). For many others, the zoo is something they know nothing about. If they do want to get more information about what can be donated and the rewards available by donating to it, they won't find such information on any site sponsored by EA....they must search elsewhere.

I do not know the exact rate of decay for the community collection points. However, based on the data I have gathered so far, it appears that the decay rate at a community level is approximately 18% per week. (Points acquired by individuals do not decay and also will transfer from shard to shard to follow the tamer, so to speak.) As best as can be determined, the only types of animals that can be donated to the zoo at this time are all types of wolves; slimes; polar bears; ki-rins, unicorns, nightmares, fire steeds; rune, giant, and fire beetles; dragons, drakes, and white wyrms; and reptalons. You cannot donate many other commonly used tamable creatures such as horses, ostards, ridgebacks, hiryus, or cu sidhe. And the points rewarded per category do not increase based on the difficulty or danger of the taming effort (e.g., you get 300 points for donating a beetle, regardless of whether it is a rune beetle or a giant blue beetle).

The very high rate of decay at a community level (which some may have assumed also applies to their own points), the limited list of animals that may be donated, the lack of useful rewards and information about what is available seem to be the biggest sticking points for getting more people involved with activities at the zoo as a shard activity.

I have been struggling for days to come up with some useful comments to add to this thread. I think there needs to be some amount of decay at a community level but 18% per week or whatever the true rate is seems excessive. I would also like to see the list of donatable animals expanded and the point values reevaluated so that the rewards are achievable for people who will never end up with mega millions in UO and don't have the time or the stomache to tame 10,000+ creatures to get something they will actually use on a daily basis.

I would also like to see some new twist added to the zoo at a community level. I've often thought that bricks or tiles with a donor's name on them scattered throughout the zoo would be an interesting addition. The color of the donor's name could change as they donate more points and a minimum (e.g., 100,000 points) could be required to earn the initial placement of a brick or tile.

Anyway, that's my two cents on the subject, and then some.
 
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Add my name to the list

For all the reasons mentioned above

AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF ONE OF THE DEVS TOOK TIME TO TELL US THEY HAD READ THIS THREAD or is posting about the zoo as pointless as donating one wolf a day untill you get a cape that tells you that you have donated.
 
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I've often thought that bricks or tiles with a donor's name on them scattered throughout the zoo would be an interesting addition. The color of the donor's name could change as they donate more points and a minimum (e.g., 100,000 points) could be required to earn the initial placement of a brick or tile.

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I really like this idea, it would make it a great way for everyone to see who donates alot on the shards. The only way to currently tell are when you see someone with one of the special titles.
 
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I've often thought that bricks or tiles with a donor's name on them scattered throughout the zoo would be an interesting addition. The color of the donor's name could change as they donate more points and a minimum (e.g., 100,000 points) could be required to earn the initial placement of a brick or tile.

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I really like this idea, it would make it a great way for everyone to see who donates alot on the shards. The only way to currently tell are when you see someone with one of the special titles.

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That is a cute idea....not sure they could do it as they may run out of tiles but its still a very cute idea and I like it.

Come on devs please just a tiny response even if its just to say THIS THREAD HAS BEEN SEEN. I understand you may not have answers for us yet but some acknowledgement would be grand...I am starting to feel like I am paging a GM.

(sorry that was snippy but true)
 
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Come on tamers keep posting your thoughts and suggestions....sooner or later we will get a response ...I hope hehe.
 
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*Adds my vote to the slowing down or making tiers permanent*

Any of the ideas above would be great. We need to make this more fun and we need to have a zoo to enjoy!
 
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I'll add my vote to this, as I like struggling for lost causes
(see reptalon thread...)

Decay rate is very steep, but this is the way of UO, spend 20 million on a runic, craft junk, spend 200000 boards in Heartwood and get no runic, you spend billions of hours doing library collections to get anything, and so on. Or my favourite before the recent changes, go to Doom for a thousand hours and get nothing. Rewards are supposd to be near unobtainable it seems.

The decay rate has to be lowered, and full tiers should remain longer once achieved. And I also agree adding more tameables to the list would make sense. AND, most importantly, change point value depending on how hard to tame something is. a Dragon worth the same as a Drake?? Give me a break.

Add super dragons and Reptalons, but make them worth substantially more (Reptalon being possibly the hardest to tame pet in game).

And, why not add all the "training" pets to the lists? When traning taming, people tend to always tame the same things over and over and over and over and over and... Yeah. Give that a purpose. Add cows, harts, bulls, ridgebacks, gamans and all otehr training pets to the list, at low point value obviously, but it'd make it more worthwhile.
 

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I was just sitting here and this idea hit me. How about if a shard can get their Zoo to the tier to get the Silver Steed to spawn that players could be able to get a Silver Steed, or maybe an Dragon, to be used as a tamed mount from the Cooperative Collection reward list of the Zoo for 1,000,000 points donation? This would give tamers a reason to try and get their shards tier level all the way up to the top level and also by making players use donation points it will help insure the Zoo tier level will stay strong.
 
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I was just sitting here and this idea hit me. How about if a shard can get their Zoo to the tier to get the Silver Steed to spawn that players could be able to get a Silver Steed, or maybe an Dragon, to be used as a tamed mount from the Cooperative Collection reward list of the Zoo for 1,000,000 points donation? This would give tamers a reason to try and get their shards tier level all the way up to the top level and also by making players use donation points it will help insure the Zoo tier level will stay strong.

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ooh not a bad idea rare coloured pets would probably have every tamer and some non tamers at the zoo donating....but this would increase interest for a little while the decay rate still needs to be addressed. *dreams of a bright blue dragon*
 

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I realy like the idea that we would be able to get a Silver Steed of our own when we have enough points and when the Zoo is at Tier 11 at that time.
 
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I was just sitting here and this idea hit me. How about if a shard can get their Zoo to the tier to get the Silver Steed to spawn that players could be able to get a Silver Steed, or maybe an Dragon, to be used as a tamed mount from the Cooperative Collection reward list of the Zoo for 1,000,000 points donation? This would give tamers a reason to try and get their shards tier level all the way up to the top level and also by making players use donation points it will help insure the Zoo tier level will stay strong.

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I like this idea, much better than the idea that a tamable silver steed spawns somewhere on the shard when it hits the 11th tier (too much opportunity for griefing, plus the way things go in UO it would probably end up being tamed by someone who had made few or no donations to the zoo).

I also liked a suggestion I read somewhere (sorry can't remember who to give credit to) about the zoo acquiring a pet dyeing station when it hits a certain level. Now if the dye wore off after a few days and a small donation (e.g., 25,000 points) was required in order to use the dye station, that might keep the donations to the zoo flowing. I'd like the options for dyeing your pet to be subtle color changes (nothing neon), stripes, patches, or something like "war paint." (And no requirement, please, that you must use the KR client to see the dye job.)
 
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/signed also

I am still at work and can't say too much at the moment ( yeah yeah, hush you people who are breathing a sigh of relief ) but I agree with so much that has been said already on this thread ie

Slow down decay
Tame all, donate all - and have a sensible danger/skill ratio of animal to donation points scale
More special rewards - I like the idea of rare spawns of creatures. Pets and mounts like the silver steed that do not have uber powers, can be ridden/used by all but you have to be a good skilled tamer to tame one. But please no more glacial or blaze coloured things ! *covers eyes*


Come on EA. You are always trying to encourage community supposedly, and you set up things ingame that cannot be done WITHOUT group interaction, we are not asking for things on a plate here, just for it to be reasonable/realistic. We want to enjoy this world of Sosaria <font color="red"> BECAUSE </font> of ingame structure, not <font color="red"> DESPITE </font> it !

And on another note, come all you shards that are pessimistic about the Zoo, get your backsides out there taming, donating, and having a good time despite yourselves or Frarc and I will come round and beat you with big gnarled staffs
 
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Well said Tina Small and Cat Crimson.

Come on tamers show your support either by posting in this thread, donating to your local zoo or BOTH....we will allow you to be greedy and to do BOTH *grins*
 
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I was just sitting here and this idea hit me. How about if a shard can get their Zoo to the tier to get the Silver Steed to spawn that players could be able to get a Silver Steed, or maybe an Dragon, to be used as a tamed mount from the Cooperative Collection reward list of the Zoo for 1,000,000 points donation? This would give tamers a reason to try and get their shards tier level all the way up to the top level and also by making players use donation points it will help insure the Zoo tier level will stay strong.

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I like this idea, it would give more people a good reason to slog it out for hours and hours
But the decay rate needs to be changed as well
 
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Still no dev reply :/

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nope not yet.....I would just like a response that says something like

"yes we have read the thread and we realize the decay rate needs to be looked at, although we have no answer at this time"

Just some acknowledgment that all these tamers are not wasting there time speaking to think air.

I know I keep asking and it probably seems pointless as we have gotten no response but please tamers take the time to be heard on this point what are your views of the decay rate of the zoo, the animals that can be donated and the prizes that can be redeemed?
 
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Chesapeake's Zoo saw an influx of timber wolves today! My baby Tamer was on the prowl, hehe. Even happened across a very friendly blue beetle that had been abandoned who is now bonding in the stables. *smiles*

I love adding the Zoo Donations into my training routine...it's really quite fun! I've found other skills gaining nicely as well...Magery/Eval/Med from gating my tames to the Zoo, and of course Taming and Animal Lore.

I'm trying to only tame creatures on the Donation list for now...I'd like to see how viable that is...would be neat to at least GM my Taming skills this way, by only taming creatures that can be donated. I'd love to see some more critters able to be turned in along with the Decay Rate adjusted.
 

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Me no drinking beer, just counting bottles!
Got to do something while taming white horses with spikes on there heads!
 
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I think Frarc has been taming so many unicorns that it has sent him doolally tap


So, yes, I would so go for a Frarc as a new Zoo feature behind bars :p

Seriously, not just tamers, but EVERYONE, cos its not just tamers that can donate, it needs to be made more reasonable/attractive to all, without making it a target for lazy people/scammmers.
 
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Me no drinking beer, just counting bottles!
Got to do something while taming white horses with spikes on there heads!


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omg SPOOKY... we both posted in the exact same minute ! eeeep !
 

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So, yes, I would so go for a Frarc as a new Zoo feature behind bars :p

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If people would donate alot for the Zoo i might consider standing in the Zoo for it. But i'm not sure if people would like to pay for his monkey business.
 

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omg SPOOKY... we both posted in the exact same minute ! eeeep !


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Spooky is the name of my black cat!
 
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Me no drinking beer, just counting bottles!
Got to do something while taming white horses with spikes on there heads!


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Are you perhaps getting ready for a St. Paddy's Day weekend pub crawl?

 
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Pub Crawl! Count me in

Come on devs still no replies to us poor neglected tamers
 

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Pub Crawl! Count me in

Come on devs still no replies to us poor neglected tamers

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Maybe all us tamer should chain ourself infront of the EAMythic building to get notice......some event like Greenpeace would do!
 

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RTL.


To be perfectly honest, the zoo has become nothing more than a minor incentive for a bit of shard fun.

Six Europa tamers donated 180 drakes in about 4 hours across two days, but what was the point?


We had a couple of entertaining player-run events; we have the kudos of temporarily upping our zoo points; we had a chance to meet other forum friends, but within a few days all our efforts will be negated by the decay rate.

It was fun at the time, but was ultimately a totally wasted effort.
 

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It was fun at the time, but was ultimately a totally wasted effort.


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Its never a waste of time. First of all its a good challenge to get the points up. A community efforts needs to be made to get it done. Yes its very hard and slow.
Buw we also show the Devs we interested in doing the Zoo with trying to get those points up. With this we can say: Ok we doing the best we can but the decay is too much.

If we don't try to get the points up and show the Devs all our work. Why would they bother change things that no one is trying out or working on?

We need to try and fight on 2 fronts. Ingame with trying our best to get the points up and here on the boards trying to get the Devs attention on some of the problems we have with the zoo decay and the lack of variation of animals we can turn in. We need to show them with both action and words what we want.
 
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imported_Tabby Kapak

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Better late than not at all.... *Adds vote for a lil slower decay*
Want to add I love Frarcs comments on this usually, seems very sensible!

(And Kayne, Meli does sometimes stack up on those aprons!
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oki, I managed to think up an event that didn't just involve tamers, but other templates too, and we did have fun.

But yesterday I tamed for hours only to see everything I, and my fellow tamers, had achieved wiped out. I very nearly cried.

The only reason the zoos ever got filled before was that people outright bought the zoo armour. To do it totally by contributions by tamers we need to donate the equivalent of 2500 drakes per day. I don't see that happening short of 20 tamers working 24/7 tbh.
 
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oki, I managed to think up an event that didn't just involve tamers, but other templates too, and we did have fun.

But yesterday I tamed for hours only to see everything I, and my fellow tamers, had achieved wiped out. I very nearly cried.

The only reason the zoos ever got filled before was that people outright bought the zoo armour. To do it totally by contributions by tamers we need to donate the equivalent of 2500 drakes per day. I don't see that happening short of 20 tamers working 24/7 tbh.

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I know your pain...I feel the pain of all the tamers on all the shards. I just hope that the dev's will pay attention to this thread even if they do not have the time to respond to it.
 
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Lets hope shes well stocked the next time i visit her then Tabby


Petra keep your chin up, you've seen what we can do this hasnt beaten us yet.

Devs we still need an answer here
 

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Better late than not at all.... *Adds vote for a lil slower decay*
Want to add I love Frarcs comments on this usually, seems very sensible!

(And Kayne, Meli does sometimes stack up on those aprons!
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Hehe , thanks!

I don't want just to fight for the Zoo on my shard but for all shards. Its realy a nice thing to work on with the community and the people who want to have a Zoo full of animals. But Devs also need to trow us a bone so we have a change to actualy keep our animals for a little while when we can't trow tons of gold at it.

Or either the point per animals need to go up or the decay has to be slowed down. We can only donate 1 or 2 big animals at a time and it takes also time between tames. Its not that we can bring a packhorse or 2 with 1600 frostwood in each that would give 48 points a board = 153600 points . It would take 615 Unicorns to get the same amount of points.
Even with just 3200 heartwood at 12 points it would be 38400 points at ones or 154 Unicorns.

I can go on with it but i think its clearly alot harder to get points up with just tames for the Zoo then we would do with the museum and boards.


Things should be challenging but we should also be able to enjoy our accomplishments for some time.
 
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One of the worst thing that comes out of this horrendous decay rate and lack of choice of animals to donate, is the feeling you get after a long spell taming, just to see the points go backwards, this leaves most people with a "what's the point" attitude and they start to give up on other things in game as well, which little by little spreads around to others near to them.
If any Dev's do see this thread they should realize the potential damage this could be/is doing to the game and respond to it, just to let us know we are not wasting time here talking about it.

I only hope no-one get's too disheartened by the zoo to call it a day with UO but sees there are loads of other options in the game that give far better results

The zoo really needs some love, and just a couple of small changes will do it

And I will keep on donating because I want the armor but it will take me a couple of years at this rate, with just timber wolves ( no magery and no spare pet handling slots for more than one Unicorn)
 
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Well I did notice there where some taming changes to FoF so who knows maybe slowly and surely they are paying attention and the zoo could be the next thing they address......if not I will hold my breath and turn blue till they do....don't make me do it devs it won't be pretty.
 
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Well I did notice there where some taming changes to FoF so who knows maybe slowly and surely they are paying attention and the zoo could be the next thing they address......if not I will hold my breath and turn blue till they do....don't make me do it devs it won't be pretty.

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Well if you are prepared to hold your breath untill you turn blue, I will drink alcohol and eat chocolate untill I turn green......don't make me do it devs, you don't want a large green alcoholic chocoholic posting on here.....hang on I already am a large green alcoholic chocoholic posting on here....okay i will sober up and stop eating chocolate...then there will be trouble...
 

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Stop eating chocolate? Are you mad!


Don't hold breath either! Won't help the Zoo if you pass out.

Jessica is stocking up on torches and pitchforks to walk to the EAMythic building. And they realy don't want her on there doorsteps!
 
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Stop eating chocolate? Are you mad!


Don't hold breath either! Won't help the Zoo if you pass out.

Jessica is stocking up on torches and pitchforks to walk to the EAMythic building. And they realy don't want her on there doorsteps!


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I would storm the building too but its a very very very long walk and swim from here. *laughs*

*passes around the chocolate* cant give up chocolate but I will turn blue if I need to just call me MISS SMURF
 

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Its a long swim for me too! But Jessica will use a Reptalon to fly to there over the ocean!

You know the Smurfs have 50th anniversary this year? Also made in Belgium just like chocolate and beer!
 
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You remind me a little of smurfette Frarc


Devs dont make us all hold our breath and turn blue. Corpses playing UO wouldnt be very nice for business
 

Frarc

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I thought i was more grumpy smurf!



*sharpen pitchforks*

How long would a swim and walk take from here too EAmythic building?
 
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What still no response!!!!!!

I am going to start digging a tunnel to the EAmythic building, it's too far to swim and I should get there in about five years(I'm going to race the smurf) about the same time as they post a response.
 
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I really hope the devs take notice. We need pets added, and we need the decay rate changed. I remember when legends had a crane in there once, but that was over a year ago
 
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