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CU training screwed up

KennyAr

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I miscalculated the resistances. Now it became,
Phy 80
Fire 66
Cold 71
Poison 75
Energy 73

Is the Cu till useful with its 66 fire resistance?

Why the h*** UO has to design the pet training screwing up the pets? It's not dificult in terms of system design and programming to not to screw customers' best pets. Do they have to drive their precious clients away, which they don't have many left to be honest.
 

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LMFAO I just screwed up my Cu and its UOs fault, classic.
 

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The next post I made hints at what to do. But basically:

1. Max the base damage per second!
2. Choose abilities.
3. Choose a magic.
4. There will be some spare points to increase areas you want higher. But, save 620 points for scrolls.
5. Add scrolls. (Wrestling needs to be 100 before you can add parry scroll.)

Ask any questions in a new thread when you are planning to build. Show pics of lore screens or deceive specifics.

Lots of helpful posters here in the greatest Taming Forum on the internet.
 

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Kenny, if you are training/upgrading a precious pet, it might be wise to copy to TC first, so IF something goes South, you can do better for real.
 

KennyAr

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Kenny, if you are training/upgrading a precious pet, it might be wise to copy to TC first, so IF something goes South, you can do better for real.
Yes, I thought about that but I could predict the resistances correctly that's the issue. It takes time to complete the 2nd round training. It's boring to test it well TC. I still consider it a design flaw. You can't expect a player to test a process from 1 stot to 5 slot, it's unrealistic.
 

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It takes time to complete the 2nd round training. It's boring to test it well TC. I still consider it a design flaw. You can't expect a player to test a process from 1 stot to 5 slot, it's unrealistic.
On TC there is a gate in the Brit Commons Area that instantly makes your pet 100% when walking through it (after starting pet training), so it is not like you have to train it up manually to 100% each time? We still don't see what exactly you mean with design flaw? When taking time to learn it once, it seems pretty straight forward?
 

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Thank very much. That's what I needed, after not touching any training for a while. Do you have a similar guide for Najas and Fire beetles. I think that I may train them up instead of the CU.
Najs are pretty easy you cant do much to them.

 
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KennyAr

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On TC there is a gate in the Brit Commons Area that instantly makes your pet 100% when walking through it (after starting pet training), so it is not like you have to train it up manually to 100% each time? We still don't see what exactly you mean with design flaw? When taking time to learn it once, it seems pretty straight forward?
This is a mmo RPG, no one is supposed to test on a testing shard before he acts, no matter how straight forward it is. Design flaw refers to the game mechanics itself should have the fool proof capability to avoid a player to loose his precious pets that easily.
 

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YOU chose those resistances for your Cu. It is now a Cu that fears fire. There are plenty of encounters where there is no or little fire damage.

Your Cu can do Corgul and Scalis just fine. And many Peerless.

It is not a general purpose Cu because it was burned like The Hound and fears Creatures that do fire damage.

RPG away!

You need look at the basics and caps of any RPG game. Characters have limits. You cant have 150 taming just because you want to. You can not exceed the caps in any of the areas on a pet.

Read the basics of Animal Taming like we all did when Pub 97 came out.

Animal Taming – Ultima Online

Animal Training – Ultima Online

Animal Training Abilities – Ultima Online

@Tabby Kapak I could tell this poster was gonna be snarky. Thanks for trying to help him.
 

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@OP: Well, you can also use the built-in pet planner (activate plan and then "add to plan") before committing the training points. After adding the 1501 points to the plan, briefly study it and check if everything is to your liking, then deactivate it and add the real training points according to the list in the plan, starting from top to bottom and deleting each finished item on the list.

I am pretty sure, if you first "simulated" the allocation of training points on the plan, you'd very likely realized your mistake. I personally find this more convenient than using the uo-cah website (which I do use for pre- and total calculations across all rounds), as I do not have to open another window on my screen.
 

KennyAr

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@OP: Well, you can also use the built-in pet planner (activate plan and then "add to plan") before committing the training points. After adding the 1501 points to the plan, briefly study it and check if everything is to your liking, then deactivate it and add the real training points according to the list in the plan, starting from top to bottom and deleting each finished item on the list.

I am pretty sure, if you first "simulated" the allocation of training points on the plan, you'd very likely realized your mistake. I personally find this more convenient than using the uo-cah website (which I do use for pre- and total calculations across all rounds), as I do not have to open another window on my screen.
You can't, because you can't know the 2nd tier resistence. You can only know your 1st tier points through the planar. The worse is, it doesn't seem to allow me to choose phy and fire at the same time. It however allows you to choose Phy and Poison. It's like the devs would like to set up a trap for you. They don't allow you to set up Phy and Fire in the 1st tier plan, such you are prone to mistakes to screw up your pet. It's totally uncalled for.
 

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You can't, because you can't know the 2nd tier resistence. You can only know your 1st tier points through the planar. The worse is, it doesn't seem to allow me to choose phy and fire at the same time. It however allows you to choose Phy and Poison. It's like the devs would like to set up a trap for you. They don't allow you to set up Phy and Fire in the 1st tier plan, such you are prone to mistakes to screw up your pet. It's totally uncalled for.
I'm not clear on the what you mean on any of this.
I'm building a pet right now and was able to setup my pets resists with no issues. I'm on the 2nd round of training now and so far everything is going as I had planned for the pet.

Perhaps you can walk me through what it is you're seeing wrong with the pets resists? Keep in mind, when you total up the pets, it can not be more then 365. One example of this is 80 physical,75 fire,70 cold,70 poison,70 energy. You take those numbers and add them up, you'll the total 365.
 

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I also did not understand OP's comment on the resists.

However, the in-game planner does not show options conditional to other options, e.g. adding scrolls for parry (need 100 wrestling first). As I said above, I use the uo-cah planner for the larger picture across all rounds, then the in-game planner for the specific rounds.
 

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I miscalculated the resistances. Now it became,
Phy 80
Fire 66
Cold 71
Poison 75
Energy 73

Is the Cu till useful with its 66 fire resistance?

Why the h*** UO has to design the pet training screwing up the pets? It's not dificult in terms of system design and programming to not to screw customers' best pets. Do they have to drive their precious clients away, which they don't have many left to be honest.
LOL
I feel your pain buddy. It is only your first, not your last!
There is a learning curve of course, but don't level up when you are sleepy!
I've killed a fully scrolled and trained white cu late at night... and messed up many more!
 

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Your cue is in a better shape them mine. I was testing the planner and forget that it was turn off, so I end up with those resist.
80/40/80/49/85= 334

I did Crampus, hunt T-Map lvl 4 and he do well.
 

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For a general purpose pet should I have all resists set to 73? Or should I short Poison in favor of Fire? Or short Cold?
 

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All links are now broken :( :(
For a general purpose pet should I have all resists set to 73? Or should I short Poison in favor of Fire? Or short Cold?
Look at the lore screens of what you want to fight. You will find there is only a couple of Mobs in all of UO that do cold damage that are not 20% in each damage. You never short Phy, Fire, or energy unless you are making a specific pet for a specific encounter. Cus dont get poison, I dont increase cold on any other pet type. I made an all 73 PP mare. Anyone want to buy the useless thing?

Oh man all the links are broken, thanks.... I fixed the one here. Now the links show some words from the link text.
 

Tabby Kapak

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A general purpose pet seems all 73 or maybe 80 75 70 70 70, to leave your pet without serious weakness.
You will find there is only a couple of Mobs in all of UO that do cold damage that are not 20% in each damage.
Like, Liches, Lich Lords, any necro casting Wither, Skeletal Knights, Skeletal Liches, Skeletal Dragons with their Icy Breath, and last, but certainly not least, Krampus. So that makes Bedlam, Doom, Neira Spawn, and to a lesser degree Lady Melisande less comfortable than they should be, to name a few that spring to mind.
 

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A general purpose pet seems all 73 or maybe 80 75 70 70 70, to leave your pet without serious weakness.

Like, Liches, Lich Lords, any necro casting Wither, Skeletal Knights, Skeletal Liches, Skeletal Dragons with their Icy Breath, and last, but certainly not least, Krampus. So that makes Bedlam, Doom, Neira Spawn, and to a lesser degree Lady Melisande less comfortable than they should be, to name a few that spring to mind.
A well built pet eat Lich Lords and such in 3 chomps. I been doing Krampus without a pet death with my Hiryu that has 45 cold resist. Icy breath does so little damage to pets.

I refer to things that are strong enough to damage a pet. Krampus is only for a month. Go ahead and take more pet damage on EVERYTHING to have 70s.

We have 42 stable stots Make some cold resist pets if you fear cold. Oh wait. We have Cus that have >80 cold resist to use on those things.

Neira is one of my favorite spawns. I have no pet death problems. I make bad owner decisions and go into that small room with the Liches while my pet is doing something else.

Also we do the Primeval Lich spawn with my pets using the Pawain resist system. I think those deadly Skeletal Dragons are there....
 
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Here are my Fire Steeds I made for specific things. I take the one with 30s cold and Poison resist to Mel and Medusa. We do those a lot on LS. I did not add resists to get more points. I still have points saved for resists and 120 scrolls but the pets have not needed resists.

Those bosses have auras. I cant really tell because my pet does not take any damage unless it is the one they aggro. My Archer who uses it has no Vet and no magery healing.


Try out low resists before you think a pet needs higher in Cold and Poison.

If you play in Eodon you can see the difference in damage taken with poison resist at different levels.

Those horses have been killing Bosses with those nasty Auras that yall fear for almost a year.
 
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I made 2 PP Nightmares to test a "Balanced resist". They both are sitting at 4 slot. The ones I take to 5 slot and use have 45 cold resist. I play in Eodon too much to not have poison at 80.

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These 2 are at 4 slot sitting in my stable. Like I said. I bet no one is willing to buy these messed up resist horses,
 

Tabby Kapak

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A well built pet eat Lich Lords and such in 3 chomps.
I refer to things that are strong enough to damage a pet.
And we refer to strength in numbers, when there's 5 Lich Lords hitting your pet that is 15 chomps, and a lot more incoming damage with 60% cold damage. Not uncommon in a spawn or in Doom. Besides, when tanking a Dark Father for example, that's zero chomps on Lich Lords...

Krampus is only for a month.
Which is why someone who returns these past weeks (obviously not meaning Laura here) and lacks the time to build several pets perfectly might want to go with a general purpose pet that is not too weak on resists.
I been doing Krampus without a pet death with my Hiryu that has 45 cold resist.
We have had very different experiences last year, when our Lesser Hiryu with 45 cold repeatedly bit the dust. When Minions spawn too often things can get hectic and prevent healing too long. Then you'll be happy with the decent cold resists. Haven't had any trouble with the Fire Beetle with decent all round resists this year.

Oh wait. We have Cus that have >80 cold resist to use on those things.
Nice! Taking a pet with 50% Cold attack, Krampus' strongest resist, effective! Sure enough, it should get you looting rights, and it is a defensive approach with more comfort.

I take the one with 30s cold and Poison resist to Mel and Medusa. We do those a lot on LS.
That is all nice, but the fact you (nearly) always seem to play in big groups on LS gives it a very different situation to tamers without that support. We are not saying it can't be done, just that it is easier to get messy when sh*t hits the fan.

Bosses with those nasty Auras that yall fear
We don't fear any of those bosses, we did them on Greater Dragons regularly so with the uber pets now it only gets easier. But if you want to give an objective, rounded advice for GENERAL PURPOSE PETS we feel you should take into account some of these points.

I play in Eodon too much to not have poison at 80.
And that is why one should take specialised pets there, OR General Purpose pets with decent overall resists.

Like I said. I bet no one is willing to buy these messed up resist horses,
Although the Cold is a little low, they will have their use. But we never buy pets, prefer to Lore and Tame ourselves. And also we play on Europa, not LS heh.
 

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That is all nice, but the fact you (nearly) always seem to play in big groups on LS gives it a very different situation to tamers without that support. We are not saying it can't be done, just that it is easier to get messy when sh*t hits the fan.
Just small groups. :)
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Love my Triton Tank on Grizzle.

Pets and players still die in a group.
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Not my Triton tho.
 
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