Controlling Dread Mare.

[Andy316]

Hello, i was wondering if anyone knew the magic number for lore to control a dread 99% of the time at 120 taming?

Tried the calculators, but they weren't so accurate.

 

[Aibal]

From the Stratics skill tables, with 120 taming, you would need 106 Lore for 99% control.

 

[Andy316]

I tried that number, unfortunately it is off.

 

[Aibal]

Well I know that I can get max control with 110/110, so it shouldn't be off too far. I've found dreads to be pretty fickle about control, meaning they are one pet I feed a lot lol.

 

[Lightningstrike]

Dreadmares are scarce these days and very expensive to replace so..... No matter what I hear, I think its safe to sacrifice a few more points and go 120/120 and that way there is no risk. But thats just me unless you happen to have 60-100 mil laying around.

 

[Wenchkin]

Ok, I'm curious, how are you judging when the numbers are off?

I just ran 120/106 through the calculator and through my own spreadsheet of the formula on the off-chance we had a bug somewhere. It comes out as 99% control in both. You could bump your lore to 107.1 so your lore skill is no longer below the pet taming difficulty for a dread, but the penalty isn't so harsh if you have lore < pet difficulty. If your taming is less than the pet's difficulty, THEN you'll get a hit from the skill bonus fairy, but lore is weighted more gently.

Generally I would say no lower than 112/112 as a bare minimum for a dread. Or 120/106 in your case. If you run 110/110 through the formula it tends to come out about the 85% mark.At least one of the calculators seems to fail to account for the difficulty modifier of 28 when your taming skill is lower than the pet difficulty. So it was saying 110/110 was fine when it really wasn't.

If in doubt, go for 120/110 - it'll also give you a welcome boost to your vet power and the extra stable space.

And if all of this sounds like total jibberish, or you're still wanting to check, I've copied the info from our lore page below. The Stratics calculator can be found here if you want to fiddle with it. It's fairly simple to drop the appropriate calculations into your own spreadsheet and check them if you want.

Control Chance The tamer’s chance to control his/her pet can by found by using the Tameable Animals page, it is calculated as follows:
Calculations:
1. tamingBonus = difficultyModifier * (taming skill – pet difficulty)
2. loreBonus = difficultyModifier * (taming skill – pet difficulty)
3. skillBonus = (tamingBonus + loreBonus) / 2
Control chance:
Final control chance % = 70 + skillBonus;
The difficulty Modifier above depends on the difference between your skill and the pet’s difficulty. The difficulty modifier is applied independently to each skill and then that result is averaged. This gives us the ability to give more importance to taming than lore, while still requiring you to have a significant investment in both skills to control high level pets. The way that modifiers are picked is as follows:
Difficulty Modifiers:
6 – if (taming/lore skill – pet difficulty) is positive (i.e. if taming/lore skill is greater than the pet’s difficulty)
28 – if (taming skill – pet difficulty) is negative (i.e. if your taming is less than the pet’s difficulty)
14 – if (lore skill – pet difficulty) is negative (i.e. if your lore is less than the pet’s difficulty)
Example: A player with 93 taming and 100 lore trying to control a dragon which has a difficulty of 93.9:

• Step 1 – Finding the skill / pet difficulty difference for each skill:
  • Taming – Pet Difficulty = 93 – 93.9 = -0.9
  • Lore – Pet Difficulty = 100 – 93.9 = 6.1
• Step 2 – Finding the modifiers for both skills
  • Taming difference is negative, so the taming modifier is 28 (would be 6 if it were positive)
  • Lore difference is positive, so the Lore modifier is 6 (would have been 14 if it were negative)
• Step 3 – Applying the modifiers to each skill bonus
  • Taming bonus = 28 * -0.9 = -25.2
  • Lore bonus = 6 * 6.1 = 36.6
• Step 4 – Averaging the two bonuses:
  • skillBonus = (-25.2 + 36.6) / 2 = 5.7
• Step 5 – Finding the control chance
  • Control Chance = 70 + 5.7 = 75.7%

This, of course, assumes that the dragon is at max loyalty.
In essence this means that the tamer needs to have both taming and lore very close to the pet’s difficulty in order to control it. However, there is more room for having slightly lower lore than there is for having less taming.

Wenchy

 

[Lightningstrike]

Ok, I'm curious, how are you judging when the numbers are off?

I just ran 120/106 through the calculator and through my own spreadsheet of the formula on the off-chance we had a bug somewhere. It comes out as 99% control in both. You could bump your lore to 107.1 so your lore skill is no longer below the pet taming difficulty for a dread, but the penalty isn't so harsh if you have lore < pet difficulty. If your taming is less than the pet's difficulty, THEN you'll get a hit from the skill bonus fairy, but lore is weighted more gently.

Generally I would say no lower than 112/112 as a bare minimum for a dread. Or 120/106 in your case. If you run 110/110 through the formula it tends to come out about the 85% mark.At least one of the calculators seems to fail to account for the difficulty modifier of 28 when your taming skill is lower than the pet difficulty. So it was saying 110/110 was fine when it really wasn't.

If in doubt, go for 120/110 - it'll also give you a welcome boost to your vet power and the extra stable space.

And if all of this sounds like total jibberish, or you're still wanting to check, I've copied the info from our lore page below. The Stratics calculator can be found here if you want to fiddle with it. It's fairly simple to drop the appropriate calculations into your own spreadsheet and check them if you want.

Control Chance The tamer’s chance to control his/her pet can by found by using the Tameable Animals page, it is calculated as follows:
Calculations:
1. tamingBonus = difficultyModifier * (taming skill – pet difficulty)
2. loreBonus = difficultyModifier * (taming skill – pet difficulty)
3. skillBonus = (tamingBonus + loreBonus) / 2
Control chance:
Final control chance % = 70 + skillBonus;
The difficulty Modifier above depends on the difference between your skill and the pet’s difficulty. The difficulty modifier is applied independently to each skill and then that result is averaged. This gives us the ability to give more importance to taming than lore, while still requiring you to have a significant investment in both skills to control high level pets. The way that modifiers are picked is as follows:
Difficulty Modifiers:
6 – if (taming/lore skill – pet difficulty) is positive (i.e. if taming/lore skill is greater than the pet’s difficulty)
28 – if (taming skill – pet difficulty) is negative (i.e. if your taming is less than the pet’s difficulty)
14 – if (lore skill – pet difficulty) is negative (i.e. if your lore is less than the pet’s difficulty)
Example: A player with 93 taming and 100 lore trying to control a dragon which has a difficulty of 93.9:

• Step 1 – Finding the skill / pet difficulty difference for each skill:
  • Taming – Pet Difficulty = 93 – 93.9 = -0.9
  • Lore – Pet Difficulty = 100 – 93.9 = 6.1
• Step 2 – Finding the modifiers for both skills
  • Taming difference is negative, so the taming modifier is 28 (would be 6 if it were positive)
  • Lore difference is positive, so the Lore modifier is 6 (would have been 14 if it were negative)
• Step 3 – Applying the modifiers to each skill bonus
  • Taming bonus = 28 * -0.9 = -25.2
  • Lore bonus = 6 * 6.1 = 36.6
• Step 4 – Averaging the two bonuses:
  • skillBonus = (-25.2 + 36.6) / 2 = 5.7
• Step 5 – Finding the control chance
  • Control Chance = 70 + 5.7 = 75.7%

This, of course, assumes that the dragon is at max loyalty.
In essence this means that the tamer needs to have both taming and lore very close to the pet’s difficulty in order to control it. However, there is more room for having slightly lower lore than there is for having less taming.

Wenchy

Wayyyy too much noise. The safest bet is 120/120

 

[Wenchkin]

Wayyyy too much noise. The safest bet is 120/120

Yes, 120/120 does give you the best control available, it would considering that's the highest skill cap you can have

I give additional info so a player can read up and make their own informed decisions. You're welcome to skip stuff you don't want to read though lol.

Wenchy