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Rizarium

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Oh yes, the Parium propaganda machine loves to tell everyone that. You can continue to spin that story any way you like. You can carry on with your rubbish about the Diablo alliance and everything else you like to blast the White Council for.

But YOU know the reprehensible behaviour that caused you to be removed from Gilfane just as well as WE do.
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You know the truth Hoffs, keep parading these lies and your own people will eventually realize this is personal to you for some unknown reason. I was never removed from anything and you know it. and my so called reprehensible behavior was just you. I really hope one day you get over yourself and move on with your game play.
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Tjalle

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It was never about the plot, Par.
It was because of what happened after the plot was placed.
 

Adrianas

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I was actually there the night that house fell. We had been watching it off and on. We did want the spot for a GIL vendor house. *But* the reason we were upset with your actions wasn't because you placed the house. You were *in* GIL at the time and could have run said vendor house if you had wanted to. I will also add that you had been in Ventrilo all night - and must have been in Ventrilo when the house fell - but you said *nothing.* So there's no doubt that not only did you want the plot for yourself, you fully planned to leave GIL and saw this as your way to do so. I speak this as a witness who was there - and as you know, my rl job is legal secretary - I do not say such things lightly.

No, I recall Sara Dale's shock when she saw that it was down and you not only did not offer to share any of what little might have been in the house, but you would not give her access to the plot, not even to friend her to the house you had just placed. That was the night you left GIL and it was all of your own doing.

GIL members lack nothing because we work together and share things. You couldn't even friend Sara Dale to your new plot. Hoffs was not on at the time and had nothing to do with it. I know you hate Hoffs - and that, I suspect, goes back to your days together in KSS. But Sara Dale??? C'mon....
 
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Becca

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To your statement of camping that house solo I beg to differ with you . I and many other camped that place for hours on end until it fell, there were at least 3 boats above it on the shore . One of the boats was mine and I watched it for hours . Sara and I were there moments after the fall and got kicked to the curb as you placed(this was before the timer on placement) and could more or less just watch as you dragged all the stuff inside not even acknowledging our existence . Hoff was not upset about the plot he didnt want it himself just for Gilfane. You being in Gilfane at the time meant that was fullfilled.
As to the Alliance thing Hoffs was very upset when it was stated that the FACTION i4ni was allied to diablo. After some investigation into the facts (lots of accusations thrown around have proven to be false around here) most gilfane that had moved to them for factions withdrew immediately. Shortly thereafter the alliance with Gilfane and the regular i4ni was mutually disolved.
 
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Rizarium

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I was actually there the night that house fell. We had been watching it off and on. We did want the spot for a GIL vendor house. *But* the reason we were upset with your actions wasn't because you placed the house. You were *in* GIL at the time and could have run said vendor house if you had wanted to. I will also add that you had been in Ventrilo all night - and must have been in Ventrilo when the house fell - but you said *nothing.* So there's no doubt that not only did you want the plot for yourself, you fully planned to leave GIL and saw this as your way to do so. I speak this as a witness who was there - and as you know, my rl job is legal secretary - I do not say such things lightly.

No, I recall Sara Dale's shock when she saw that it was down and you not only did not offer to share any of what little might have been in the house, but you would not give her access to the plot, not even to friend her to the house you had just placed. That was the night you left GIL and it was all of your own doing.

GIL members lack nothing because we work together and share things. You couldn't even friend Sara Dale to your new plot. Hoffs was not on at the time and had nothing to do with it. I know you hate Hoffs - and that, I suspect, goes back to your days together in KSS. But Sara Dale??? C'mon....
Actually the only 2 people that were on at the time was Garfield and Sara Dale, and they were not in vent and had not said a word in guild chat for awhile. The story you are passing off as your own is almost a direct cut and paste from the post Hoffs made in the GiL forums about this, and I appreciate your loyalty to him. What you do not know is there are still people in Arrr that left GiL over this, and I would hope that the repetition of the lies he told you guys about this night would end eventually.

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Rizarium

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To your statement of camping that house solo I beg to differ with you . I and many other camped that place for hours on end until it fell, there were at least 3 boats above it on the shore . One of the boats was mine and I watched it for hours . Sara and I were there moments after the fall and got kicked to the curb as you placed and could more or less just watch as you dragged all the stuff inside not even acknowledging our existence . Hoff was not upset about the plot he didnt want it himself just for Gilfane. You being in Gilfane at the time meant that was fullfilled.
As to the Alliance thing Hoffs was very upset when it was stated that the FACTION i4ni was allied to diablo. After some investigation into the facts (lots of accusations thrown around have proven to be false around here) most gilfane that had moved to them for factions withdrew immediately. Shortly thereafter the alliance with Gilfane and the regular i4ni was mutually disolved.​
There were no accusations, I4NI admitted they were allied to Diablo. What was in question was why did you guys turn a blind eye to it? It was 4 weeks before your supposed actions took place. The truth is not on your side on any of this.​
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Hoffs

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Okay, seeing as we are washing the dirty laundry and besmirching my honor in public then, for the first time I'll publicly explain exactly WHAT caused you to be asked to leave. Neutral observers feel free to skip this diatribe and return to your normal programming.

Gilfane has a very egalitarian policy to IDOCs, just as with most things. We have people who go round and find them, and these are reported on our boards. When the IDOCs are due to fall, anyone is welcome to come along and share whatever we can get.

The house in question was probably the biggest IDOC we have ever had. Not only was the plot highly valued (we consider Skara as almost a part or Gilfane city-state, we wanted it for our official vendors; you wanted it for your own vendors, which is fair enough), but it was also rumoured to have a lot of valuable items inside, not to mention the gold that could still be on the vendors.

Unfortunately, the vendors at the plot caused it to go OSI. That meant it would not decay until the vendor contracts expired, which could be up to a month. Thus started weeks of wearisome vigil, with several of us spending up to eighteen hours a day parked next to it, waiting for the drop. This included Becca, Ginsu, Sara Dale, as well as the two of us. And PLEASE don't delude yourself with the "I spent more time than anyone else" thing again. YOU had a job, I didn't.

Then around three weeks later as I recall, the plot finally dropped. It was late at night, and few were on other than yourself. Being the only person at the IDOC at the time, you were able to immediately place the house. Well, good luck to you. You wanted it, you got it, and you had every right to it. That was never an issue. What WAS an issue is that you did not tell anyone else who was on at the time that it had fallen. You brought all the stuff into the plot and just kept it all for yourself.

Even Sara Dale and Wee Willie, who were in Vent with you, did not get advised of the drop. As it happens, Sara came back to the location a few minutes after the fall and saw you inside with all the stuff. She stood outside the dirt plot waiting to be admitted, but she went ignored. Even your wife came by and spoke to her on her way into the plot, but still Sara was left standing there. To cut the rest of the story short, the bottom line is that the most eagerly anticipated IDOC I can remember had fallen, after hundreds of man-hours by the alliance to monitor it, yet we never even found out what was in it.

And when I questioned you the next day, you started with the excuses:

You didn't tell anyone because you thought everyone had gone to bed. Hello? Could you not have checked Vent or the guild roster? (and yes, they were in vent with you)

You were tired after a long day at work and didn't see Sara standing there. Seriously? Your wife did, anyway. And although so tired, it did not stop you customizing the plot to make an almost exact replica of the house that had previously stood, for reasons that still escape me.

The contents were nothing but trash. Then why not let Sara in?

Bottom line is that your greed got the better of you, a condition that alliance members from days long past have affirmed. You had the most valuable thing about the whole thing fair and square - you had the plot. But that wasn't enough, you wanted EVERYTHING INSIDE too. Sharing was not an option. Oh, sharing is fine when it belongs to other people. You were happy to learn all about IDOCs from us, to go to the IDOCs we had spotted, to share in the loot we had recovered, to be told when they fall, and what happens to OSI ones, etc. But you never reported the IDOCs you had found. You just kept those between yourself and Kaisa.

So that is why you were asked to leave. You had shown no affinity to the Gilfane, having hopped your characters back and forth between an allied guild depending on what you thought suited you best. You did not want to be part of the community, unless it suited you. And you left one of the most senior and well-respected members of the guild/shard, who would not hesitate to share her worldly possessions with you, twiddling her thumbs whilst you were in your counting house. In deference to your past service, you were asked to leave rather than officially being booted. But at the end of the day you had become, I think, only the third person ever to have been removed for gross misconduct.

And the real irony was that you could not have picked two better guildmates to have on with you when that place fell. Sara is hardly interested in anything that isn't to do with plants, and Willie just cares about fishing or treasure maps. You could have kept just about everything with no damage to your reputation.

Oh, and...

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Rizarium

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You know what Hoffs, I have already covered all of this with you, and I think you doing nothing about your allies being allied to Diablo for all that time addresses all that needs to about your honor.
You know exactly what happened that night, we have discussed it and you decided to come up with your own version of the evening, There is absoloutley nothing I can do to change that. I do appreciate you writing a book over something that either is or is not the truth, but I guess you think a lot of words make things the truth, and I am also fine with that.
You know what happened that night because I explained it to you, but you decided to form your own version of the truth and disregard anything that may have been the truth.
But since you only care about your version of the truth, you will always be that.

That night the house fell, I had been watching it by myself for almost 3 days. I was exhausted at best. I looked up at my computer it was down. I had seen no one speak and no one was in Ventrilo, but I am not sure if that would have mattered I was pretty dam tired. I placed a plot threw the stuff on it and was literally turning off my computer when Sarah Dale showed up out of the blue. I told her I was exhausted and logging. The next thing I know is Hoffs is accusing me of being something I never have been, if he would have waited to accuse me of being a pos, he may have seen a new day dawn and him not only receive the plot, but I would have also let the people that were online get what they wanted. There was no chance of that though, before I could get rest after camping that house for so long, I log in to find myself judged by someone that was not there, and I icqed him to ask him what is going on, he looked down his nose at me like he had been doing for awhile and asked me to leave GiL.
Now I know for a fact that the details he posted on the forums did not reflect any of this, and I think it is a shame he would paint such a biased picture.

I have reached out to a few folks that were actually there and know both side of the story, so I hope at least one person will become enlightened by all this BS.

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Rizarium

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To your statement of camping that house solo I beg to differ with you . I and many other camped that place for hours on end until it fell, there were at least 3 boats above it on the shore . One of the boats was mine and I watched it for hours . Sara and I were there moments after the fall and got kicked to the curb as you placed(this was before the timer on placement) and could more or less just watch as you dragged all the stuff inside not even acknowledging our existence
Wow, this is a blatant lie.

I appreciate your support of your GM even if it has resorted in this, but it is now evident that this will be going down the support Hoffs even if we have to lie road.
Say what you will now, I know the truth, a lot of your guild knows the truth, and the people that left GiL over this know the truth.

I have said all I am on this matter, and I now leave this thread for people that were supposedly moved out of the way by my placing that plot.*LOL*
 

TheDrAJ

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Dang - I was not there - I only heard about it in general chat - so why do I believe Hoffs version - maybe because he (she?) is the one with credibility and honor who I believe has always worked for the good of the shard.

While some one who constantly *Tips Hat*
always seems to be tearing down the shard for his own benefit.

Just Saying
 

Sprago

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I have one question how was Diablo ever allied to GIL? They were alled to I4NI for a couple days, when the alliance had started GIl members dropped from our guild Diablo has never been allied to any GIl he continued to kill GIl even though i4ni was still allied, which is why we left the white council(so no gil members would have a false sense of security around FSP).

GIL HAS NEVER BEEN ALLIED SO QUIT WITH THE LIES. Rizirium keep preaching that hes the one telling the truth but yet he's doing the most lieing about this situation. The truth is i4ni did ally for maybe at most 1 week then we went our seperate ways GIL NEVER WAS but Rizarium wants the shard to think that hes so holy and what he says in the truth, its not he doesnt know the truth only i4ni and FSP know the truth, about it so stop spreading lies.

I'll repeat one more time so Rizirium can understand the truth GIL WAS NEVER ALLIED TO DIABLO THEY WERE AGAINST IT FROM DAY ONE. a member of our blue i4ni guild did run with diablo even after being told not to kinda like the crunch and arnold thing but thats it.

again GIL WAS NEVER ALLIED TO FSP EVEN THOUGH RIZIRIUM CONTINUES TO LIE ABOUT IT OHH YEA EITHER WAS THE WHITE COUNCIL just one member of the blue i4ni even after being told not to which lead to the blue i4ni leaving the alliance

THIS IS THE TRUTH SO EVERYONE KNOWS

ok im done with this whole situation troll on everyone
 

Zalfein

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Personally, I'm not even interested in the truth. Just knowing it was a 3 week long idoc, I can't imagine how tired people were (and you know how people act when they are tired). Even for the placer, it must have felt like arriving home late at night from a trip after a day long drive, you don't care about unloading the car.

For newcomers, I have been on Siege for more than a year and I can say that both GIL and Arrr are nice people. Make your own judgement by interacting with people, don't let the drama influence you.

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IanJames

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Jeez...I'm not sure how Parium can possibly think that he was the only one watching that IDOC. It's not like anyone with any common sense watches an IDOC while being visible on SP.

Just for the record. Sprago's statement is entirely accurate.
 

Ellie

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*Raises hand* My turn. It was late the night the house fell and I had been in vent with Garfield and Adranias. Nothing was said in vent about the house falling. I would have if I had been there when it fell. I was going to get off and decided to check again for a few more minutes at the house. When I arrived it was down, a plot was up and nothing was to be seen on the ground. You had pulled it all in. Well maybe a few crumbs were laying around. I said hi and was ignored. Garfield showed up a bit after that. Not a word about friending me or anyone else. "you were going to get off because you were tired" but you kept working while hiding. Delores has tracking, a nice useful skill. I had been checking off and on the whole time the house had gone idoc and back to like new and then some. Even though you said we werent in vent you could have typed something in guild chat. Which you didnt. You knew that all I like are plants and a few deco items which I give away to those who need things. I still do. I didnt need that stuff and you knew it.
If there were something there I wanted I would have asked first before taking it.
Oh and as for the barrels. I just love smashing barrels and I still do it. That house is close enough to the moongate that people know where its located. Its the only spot on that island for a house.
 

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*Raises hand* My turn. It was late the night the house fell and I had been in vent with Garfield and Adranias. Nothing was said in vent about the house falling. I would have if I had been there when it fell. I was going to get off and decided to check again for a few more minutes at the house. When I arrived it was down, a plot was up and nothing was to be seen on the ground. You had pulled it all in. Well maybe a few crumbs were laying around. I said hi and was ignored. Garfield showed up a bit after that. Not a word about friending me or anyone else. "you were going to get off because you were tired" but you kept working while hiding. Delores has tracking, a nice useful skill. I had been checking off and on the whole time the house had gone idoc and back to like new and then some. Even though you said we werent in vent you could have typed something in guild chat. Which you didnt. You knew that all I like are plants and a few deco items which I give away to those who need things. I still do. I didnt need that stuff and you knew it.
If there were something there I wanted I would have asked first before taking it.
Oh and as for the barrels. I just love smashing barrels and I still do it. That house is close enough to the moongate that people know where its located. Its the only spot on that island for a house.
I seem to remember Par and I giving you a full set of potted plants from that idoc.
 

UncleSham

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ok , i didnt want to say anything cause i just hate all the drama and find this bickering pointless but you mentioned me by name , so i feel i must respond .

no you did not leave me in good standing. just because i didnt rant and yell doesnt mean i approved of what you did . you were not the only one watching that house . you were simply the one who saw if fall. it was nearly a month overdue because of the vendors and many of us put in alot of time . so sorry but that dont float. 3 days was nothing in comparison to what hoffs and others put into it.

the plan was to call in everyone when it fell so it could be looted quickly and the stuff distributed fairly amongst those who participated . you knew this yet decided to keep it for yourself .

you also completely disappeared off the grid for at least a day afterword without so much as a peep leaving us all to wonder WTF. then when you returned you gave us the line about being tired tired and logging right away . this we knew was bs because you were tracked . so yeah people were upset.

i remember trying to play diplomat because you were in my guild and i felt responsible but you wouldnt even talk to hoffs . you simply stormed out. so fine you left before you could be thrown out , but after your actions it was inevitable.



now the second part . the 14N1 nonsense. people i gotta tell you, if you dont know, there are severe consequences for killing a member of your own faction.

with ARRR's faction wing growing large and some other killers returning, sprago was struggling to hold things together for the true brits faction. to help out, i joined I4NI with El-Nino (an old TB from the JSV days) and convinced some of the other guys to try factions. they created new guild and allied it to I4N1 and we were starting to hold our own again.

then diablo jumped factions and became true brits.

this created quite a problem for us. with unguilded faction members on the field you cant use things like earthquake , field spells , or anything with area damage for fear of hurting them. so whether you like it or not the game sees you as allies and the only way to stop this is to actually ally them so the area damage doesnt hit them. it has nothing to do with honor. its game mechanics pure and simple. this is one of the many issues we deal with in factions and one we hope will be addressed when they put in the promised changes.
but for now it was all he could do .

im also prety sure the guys at ARRR couldnt have given a rats ass about the whole honor thing , they simply saw it as an excuse to break up our small faction alliance, and it worked . poor sprago and baby doll have left the shard taking most of their crew with them .

these were good people who made a difficult choice and the shard is diminished by their loss .


so yeah i was and continue to be disappointed by your actions. you held such promise yet for some reason you seem bent on confrontation. these 2 points needed to be addressed but otherwise i try not to complain and let you carry on with what ever you feel you must do. its your game play it as you like.

we will get by.

*waves*
 

Rizarium

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http://stratics.com/community/threads/308856/#post-2340160
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As Parium is obsessed with trying to discredit Gilfane and spreading his bitterness and BS, as usual, I had better make a statement about all this:

1) The White Council alliance did not ally with FSP. The I4NI faction guild, which mostly ran independent of the non-faction people, allied them without any prior consultation with the alliance. In other words, it was presented as a fait accompli.

2) Sprago chose to make the alliance simply because he had hardly anyone else to fight with. And whilst I cannot abide Diablo or anything he stands for, I do not blame him for wanting to find someone to get involved with. Indeed, I am hardly logging in myself these days as I have been so disillusioned with how quiet Siege has been the past few weeks. Since he allied FSP, I am told that Sprago has now had as much PvP as he has in the past few months and actually looks forward to logging in, so I'm pleased for him.

3) Since the alliance took place, I4NI have decided to dissolve their non-faction guild and we are now no longer allied with them.

4) During the time this supposed "alliance" was taking place, Diablo was not welcome in Gilfane town and I am not aware of any Gilfane members who had any dealings with him or helped him. FSP did not have access to the White Council forums, map or Mumble server.

5) Had I been paying much attention to Siege over the past couple of weeks, the matter would probably have been brought to a head much more quickly.​
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Everything that is being said here has been discussed, here is Hoffs post about the I4NI/!4N! and FYOU alliance.
I think from here on out you guys should just cut and paste what Hoffs tells you in your private forums, because there is not 2 stories posted here that jibe with one another.
I never asked for anything more than the truth, we provided it to Sprago via Hattori when he asked, I find it mind blowing that you guys could not even reciprocate.
The truth that Sprago posted here was a lie, everyone knows it was 3 weeks not 3 days.
So like I said earlier, this has become the support Hoffs and tell a lie train. No two stories here are alike. I was told today by someone "Nothing you will say there will change anyone's mind and nothing they say will change ours." So apparently this thread is only serving the people that created it.
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Hoffs

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Thanks for quoting my post about the "alliance" thing, as I have little more to add than what was in that. And as for the timing, my ICQ log says that it was the 4th December when Sprago allied the Diablo guild, and from my post above that makes it a little less than two weeks until we were officially disconnected from I4NI.

I stated above, things did not get done any more speedily as I had a hard time even getting in-game at that point (I didn't even run for re-election as a governor) and in deference to the non-faction element of I4NI, who had been as much blind-sided by this as we were, added to the fact that the whole thing was just irrelevant to pretty much anyone but Sprago. Had this not been Gilfane involved, for which you will eagerly jump on any perceived weakness with relish, you would not have made so much of it.

For any meaningful "alliance" to have taken place, there would surely need to be some kind of interaction between the two parties. And as far as Gilfane was concerned, we weren't involved and didn't assist or communicate with Diablo and his friends in any form, because we detest him just as much as most of the shard does.
 
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Are we done here? I likely let this go on for far too long. As a member of this community, I did want everyone to have a say. It seems to have become name calling and deflection and nonsense.
 
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