Coding questions

[Anon McDougle]

I'm not a coder but I don't understand why when making changes for pvp fixes shouldn't the first line in fix be
Is this player in heat of battle
If no act as normal
If yes nerf ninja or two minutes login timer etc

 

[Dan(Tasanar)]

Because if that's how code worked, how you just imagined right there, planes would fall out of the sky.

If sky != null make plane do things I think a plane should do.

 

[Anon McDougle]

If planes gotta fall to get ninja unnerfed so be it

 

[Cork]

I'm not a coder but I don't understand why when making changes for pvp fixes shouldn't the first line in fix be
Is this player in heat of battle
If no act as normal
If yes nerf ninja or two minutes login timer etc

They say there is tons of spaghetti code so it's possible that the current code isn't written so straight forward.

 

[dancingrocks]

I'm not a coder but I don't understand why when making changes for pvp fixes shouldn't the first line in fix be
Is this player in heat of battle
If no act as normal
If yes nerf ninja or two minutes login timer etc

Good luck with your coding questions.
Perhaps try UOEmu (giggles).

On a side note, this is my last post and I won't be visiting anymore.
The moderators pick and choose which of my silly comments they want to keep or delete based off of their personal preferences.

Hugs & Kisses for Broadsword & Stratics

 

[John Knighthawke]

This doesn't sound like a coding question. This sounds like a "why don't they just do what I want" question.

At any rate.....The answer is: Not everyone agrees on what changes to make. Not all players will agree with what I think you're proposing. (I might agree myself, though.) Once everyone does agree on what changes to make, sometimes stuff effects other things unexpectedly. Especially when the code in question has been strung together over the years.

Draconi once wrote of the problems in coding in the idiosyncratic movements of Sherry the Mouse and the Slahser of Veils. I forget which came first but they thought they could copy the movement code from one to the other and just change the parameters. It didn't work - the character just sat there. They examined further and it turned out that character was being impacted by code, dictating its movement in other circumstances, that they didn't realize was having an impact.

Another example, not from UO, has had tragic consequences:

Sudden unintended acceleration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This stuff can be caused by a coding error. Everything is going logically and appears trouble free until there's a condition you didn't account for in the program. Even then, as far as the code is concerned, there's no trouble at all. It's just doing what it thinks you want it to do. Then, someone dies or worse.

Now please don't mistake this, I do not think there is a good excuse for all of the bugs in UO. I'm just saying there are some excellent reasons why this stuff isn't easy.

If they weren't wasting time on the new shard's code perhaps they could be able to do all kinds of more stuff.

 

[Draza]

A simple answer to your question is yes, you can have an if/else statement, adding in segments of code for each condition, and then multiple conditions.

Old programmers did bad jobs tho, not commenting on variables, and different segments.

 

[dvv]

Original programmers didn’t expect the game to last this long and there weren’t really coding best practices back then. This is discussed a bit in the first Braving Brittania book from Wes Locher.

 

[Victim of Siege]

On a side note, this is my last post and I won't be visiting anymore.
The moderators pick and choose which of my silly comments they want to keep or delete based off of their personal preferences.

 

[Girl Scout Edith]

Eat cookies. Play games.
The rest is just throwing fire on your ashes.

 

[Keven2002]

Maybe I'm missing something.... what's the intention of the OP? Basically saying the ninja skill needs nerfed in pvp?

 

[MalagAste]

Maybe I'm missing something.... what's the intention of the OP? Basically saying the ninja skill needs nerfed in pvp?

Actually, I think he's saying it needs to be UN-Nerfed for NON-PvP...

 

[Stinky Pete]

I always thought ninjas work pretty good in both PvP and non-PvP. I'm pretty sure every one of my characters has ninjitsu, it's just too much fun to not have on a template. But I think he's talking about using weapon specials in animal form though. That seems to be the typical complaint about ninjitsu. In my opinion, it works fine in both PvP and PvM. If you are having trouble with ninjitsu in PvM, try a template like this one by Lord God:

[Ninjitsu] - My new template.

If being able to solo almost anything in game is not powerful enough for you, there is nothing more that I can teach you in the ways of the ninja, Tiny Grasshopper.

 

[Pawain]

Cant cast magery etc. spells in Animal form. Kinda like playing the big grape in Necro.

 

[Keven2002]

I will say that in a PvP template, I've noticed several DP/Ninjas in Fel Fire. I guess they match up well against Sampires. They spam DP/disarm/death strike/AI... if they have 1 person as a dismounter it's pretty much a death sentence. If you are able to dismount them; they just animal form into a wolf and run away as if they were mounted (or smoke bomb).

 

[Anon McDougle]

You used to be able to cast any spell and use weapon specials in animal form dog archers were OP in pvp so rather than look for a way to fix that they made it so you can't do **** in animal form including even some actual ninja spells..

 

[Lord Nabin]

You used to be able to cast any spell and use weapon specials in animal form dog archers were OP in pvp so rather than look for a way to fix that they made it so you can't do **** in animal form including even some actual ninja spells..

Well I'm trying to figure out which animal form can fire a bow?
It's got to make sense at some level.

*checks the log and nope*

 

[Stinky Pete]

You used to be able to cast any spell and use weapon specials in animal form dog archers were OP in pvp so rather than look for a way to fix that they made it so you can't do **** in animal form including even some actual ninja spells..

So you want to be able to cast and use weapon specials in animal form along with the awesomeness of mirror images and focus attack? Sounds OP to me. Ninjitsu is powerful enough as it is for those who know how to use it.

 

[John Knighthawke]

Strange - I thought I saw a post here that made a valid, if exaggerated, analogy between this post and the medical field. Did I imagine this? if not, what happened to it?

 

[elster]

Strange - I thought I saw a post here that made a valid, if exaggerated, analogy between this post and the medical field. Did I imagine this? if not, what happened to it?

Oh that was me. I deleted it. Sometimes I get high and feel bad for posting snarky / unhelpful things.

 

[John Knighthawke]

Oh that was me. I deleted it. Sometimes I get high and feel bad for posting snarky / unhelpful things.

Do you mean you get snarky when you get high or you, when you get high, you feel bad for being snarky when you were not high?

 

[elster]

Do you mean you get snarky when you get high or you, when you get high, you feel bad for being snarky when you were not high?

The latter. I get high and then I feel bad for being snarky when I wasn't high.

 

[Pawain]

The latter. I get high and then I feel bad for being snarky when I wasn't high.

Should stay high maybe?

 

[Victim of Siege]

 

[Anon McDougle]

So doctors use sledgehammers for surgeries? Or take kidneys to cure the flu??

 

[John Knighthawke]

So doctors use sledgehammers for surgeries? Or take kidneys to cure the flu??

Not a coding issue. A "why don't they do what I want" issue. All of us could make similar posts. Some would agree with each other but not all.

 

[Anon McDougle]

It's the heavy handed tunnel vision approach to fixing anything op in pvp all you sampire should be glad it's not effective in pvp the two minutes login timer another classic example who doesn't love going home getting attacked by local spawn and having to wait when a simple line of is this person in heat of battle would have fixed issue..