Clean-Up Pigment Cost. Vote here..

[Theo_GL]

The stated cost of the new pigments will be a staggering 250,000 clean up points that translates into over 25,000,000 gold.
What do you think a more reasonable cost would be for a single use dye? If you stained every item on the paper doll @ a count of 17, some of which can not be dyed currently due to the Artifact/Enhanced requirement, Your cost would be 425,000,000.
This puts things into perspective that no matter how long you have played, that is an unreal amount. Even the rich should be able to see the flaw here.


Other related polls.
http://vboards.stratics.com/uhall/254145-how-long-do-you-feel-pigments-should-available.html

http://vboards.stratics.com/uhall/254149-should-new-dyes-able-stain-any-commonly-worn-item.html

This is a stupid poll. Where are the options for more than 250k points.

Its like a poll asking:

Have you stopped beating your wife? [ ] Yes [ ] No

Please provide options that make sense for all cases not just what you want to see.

Obviously you think they should be cheaper and created a poll to try to show that but it is completely biased.

A good poll would have been:

Price of dyes: Less, 250k is just right, More than 250k, Not relevant as I don't plan to purchase.

That would provide alot more valuable info.

 

[THP]

Devs....The new ''one shot'' dye price???

There as been a few post addressing the issue...

one train of thought is...''was it a typo error''...did u mean 25k per pot and not the 250k per pot posted

Seriously at 250k per one shot... thats a hell of a lot of points to dye just a 6 piece suit= 1.5million points....or 150 million gold turn in ???? for one fully dyed 6 piece suit???

yes i know thats crazy.....

The poll suggests either a more user freindly lower price per single shot....maybe 50-100k.....

Or keep it at 250k to make it alusive...but make it 6-8 charges so at least a full suit can be dyed per pot.....

THOUGHTS devs PLZ....

 

[Fridgster]

Personally I'm not big into the dyes however as I've stated before these complaints about the price seem a little much. I've stated in a post yesterday one example where a mostly trained sampire could collect over
125k clean up points in an hour of play time. So in 2 hours you could get enough for a pigment at the current price. Is that alot of time? Sure, but then again special things should take more time.

 

[THP]

Personally I'm not big into the dyes however as I've stated before these complaints about the price seem a little much. I've stated in a post yesterday one example where a mostly trained sampire could collect over
125k clean up points in an hour of play time. So in 2 hours you could get enough for a pigment at the current price. Is that alot of time? Sure, but then again special things should take more time.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW U CAN GET 250,000 POINTS IN 2 SIMPLE HOURS PLAY......REALLY!!!!! PICCIES PLZ OR IT NEVER HAPPENED.... AND NEVER WILL...

paragon box may give 1000 points maybe a tadge more and u may get one box in 10 miasana whcih basically means u need kill the scorpian 2500 times ...can this be done in 2 hours???

one a minute is only 120!!!in 2 hours ... u do the bloody maths....

 

[Ludes]

Sheesh its just a dye.. if you can't afford it don't rant about it being to expensive.. you don't NEED it.

 

[Fridgster]

*sigh* ok here is the one example that I've already posted (there are a few other ways)

go to doom to the dark guardian's room. Bring 5 pack mules. The room spawns 2 dark guardians per person and critter. Put your packy's in the nw corner of the room. This will spawn 12 dark guardians. Use wirlwind special with a sampire and it will wipe out all 12 guardians so quick that most of the time your critters dont even get poisoned by the gas. You will recieve 12 maps (i've found they average about 200 points towards cleanup per map. Thats 12x200=2400 points. The dark guardians spawn about every 30 seconds. So lets say in 1 hour you do this 50 times. 50x2400=120k points. Thats not including the fact that each DG drops 30 bones each which means your collecting 360 bones each time which can be used to get golden skulls which provide 1000 points for the cleanup. ive had the room full with 20 guardians with raise dead critters+packy's. Only problem is wading through the dead corpses to collect the goods LOL

 

[LadyNico]

Keep it 250,000 per shot.

 

[Ned888]

Keep it 250,000 per shot.

^^^ This. It's a nice to have, but not a game breaker. It's more of a way to flaunt your wealth and power.

 

[THP]

Sheesh its just a dye.. if you can't afford it don't rant about it being to expensive.. you don't NEED it.

SOOOOO why did everyone moan about the original price of a bless deed at 50k....people got that riased to 100k...yet they sell for less than 2m all day long...

u work it out brains....

70% of people want this stuff at a more useable lower price......

30% cant give a damn or have no points left...or have 4 billion points banked because they shafted the turn-in copy exploit!!!!!

LOL!! [end]...

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Sheesh its just a dye.. if you can't afford it don't rant about it being to expensive.. you don't NEED it.

Cheers to you.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

SOOOOO why did everyone moan about the original price of a bless deed at 50k....people got that riased to 100k...yet they sell for less than 2m all day long...

u work it out brains....

70% of people want this stuff at a more useable lower price......

30% cant give a damn or have no points left...or have 4 billion points banked because they shafted the turn-in copy exploit!!!!!

LOL!! [end]...

You mean 70% of those polled right?

 

[kelmo]

To be honest... If this were a thing that mattered I would be at the forefront of the protesters. It simply does not matter. It is a color, a dye... just squint at the screen, may you will see a color you like.

 

[Ned888]

To be honest... If this were a thing that mattered I would be at the forefront of the protesters. It simply does not matter. It is a color, a dye... just squint at the screen, may you will see a color you like.

If you want Tie Dye you can rub your eyes for a bit first!

This is really a non-issue. People want stuff, sure, but this is not stuff that matters. It's cosmetic....

Bleh; I'm starting a new poll to get this thread locked.

 

[Shiznit Bo'Bourbon]

Yeah you don't need THIS PARTICULAR shade of purple THAT bad. Let something act as a points-sink.

 

[Viper09]

It's just a dye. If anything this is just going to be a new rare for the cleanining system. Shouldn't people be happy that there is one thing that just isn't easy to get a lot of? Personally I would want the bless deeds though, not an item that makes me look pretty.

 

[Fridgster]

The other thing I wanted to point out is that the gold to points ratio really isn't all that accurate. I've seen 1000 val ingots going for about 500k on most shards. Thats 10k points@500k or in terms of the new dyes 12.5 mil per dye. Just be creative folks and you can get these dyes for alot less than you could imagine. (and yes 12.5 mil IS alot of gold but there are other things that you can buy and trade in) I actually did up an excel sheet that allows me to calculate the gold to points ratio. BTW runic hammers are a great source for points at a cheap price.

 

[Blood Ghoul]

I am so tired of people ASSUMING that just because we had a lot of points that we cheated to get them. I have been waiting to have a reason to clean out 2 Castles and a Keep, all at max storage and all full. When I saw the list I said I am tossing all my old junk. I kept 1 maybe 2 full sets of certain things and tossed everything else. 1 Castle gone and traded (for free), 1 Castle with over 3K open storage and my Keep with almost 2K open storage. TY Devs for giving me a reason to toss all this stuff.

And on a better note I have seen prices of some of the stuff go up in price because people threw away a lot of the old gifts and there are fewer items out there for collectors.

Its not the total point thing..what doesn't make sense is why would people trash stuff with still nothing to buy? I have no issue with those spent 9 million point on things they earned. What doesn't make sense is someone who collected 2 castles and a keep worth of stuff to throw it all in the trashcan and build a bank of 2 million points with nothing left to buy before the dyes were even announced!!!! If you collected stuff for so many years why did it mean so little that now you'd throw it all away and earn millions of more points then you even decided to spend. That my friend make zero sense.

 

[HongKongCavalier]

So in summary, I guess the 2 main positions on this subject are:

1. They are merely cosmetic and not important to gameplay, therefore leave the price high.

2. They are merely cosmetic and not important to gameplay, therefore make them cheaper.

OK, maybe it is time to lock this thread

 

[Shiznit Bo'Bourbon]

More like.

1) SOMETHING on the list needs to be expensive and it may as well be this, since it doesn't really effect anything.

2) Everything should be cheap and it should just be a free item giveaway.

 

[THP]

DEVS I THINK U CAN SAFELY SAY THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN OUT....

make em cheaper or make have more charges....[END].

 

[Lady Storm]

^^^^^^
This!

The compensation dyes were ok... a little chincy if you ask me for the whole fiasco it still is for people. 5 charges would have been nice (enough to dye a set of armor) and perhaps given as 1 of each dye too would have been a better thing.

Now as for my points for this................ah no.

1 use and 250k in pts is too much and I for one will not get it.

 

[Black Majick]

I would use occasionally if I saw a color I liked. I would also do the price of around 25k points per charge....keeps us getting rid of stuff or playing the game to get stuff to turn in.

 

[MalagAste]

Well since it's clear that the DEV's not only don't listen to opinion or popular vote... since clearly a VAST majority of voters think the dyes are priced WAY too high... I see that nothing will be done to change their minds... obviously they don't care what we think.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Well since it's clear that the DEV's not only don't listen to opinion or popular vote... since clearly a VAST majority of voters think the dyes are priced WAY too high... I see that nothing will be done to change their minds... obviously they don't care what we think.

No, they care what I think. I voted to keep the 250k.

 

[Viper09]

Well since it's clear that the DEV's not only don't listen to opinion or popular vote... since clearly a VAST majority of voters think the dyes are priced WAY too high... I see that nothing will be done to change their minds... obviously they don't care what we think.

Not necessarily. The vote is just what they would want to price to be, not whether or not they think it's too high right now. That's one of the problems with this poll aside from it being obviously biased, lol. I don't think the price is too high but I sure as heck wouldn't mind if they lowered it so I could just as easily vote for the lowest one.

As an example I think the price for bless deeds is too low but if I were asked if I wanted them to be selling for 10 points I'd say yes. Who am I to argue with getting more for less!

 

[Snakeman]

Not going to purchase them anyways, but for a 1 shot charge they are severely over priced, a joke in fact. Own opinion is they should be min 5 charges & 25 to 50 k only. For heavens sake they are only colors.....

 

[THP]

Well since it's clear that the DEV's not only don't listen to opinion or popular vote... since clearly a VAST majority of voters think the dyes are priced WAY too high... I see that nothing will be done to change their minds... obviously they don't care what we think.

pretty sure the DEVs will and do listen to the populus...everyone cn see dye prices are crazy high and they need to be dropped or the charges increased...

 

[THP]

cant let this drop yet ...ITS HOT A TOPIC.....and awaits a Dev response...

 

[Luke Carjacker]

I've got a lot of points (got lucky because I kept a bunch of boxes, candy canes, snow globes, bells and stuff); however I don't really worry much about appearance so I have zero interest in dyes.

My opinion on this issue is, I think it's a fine idea for a gold/point sink. However, if the price is too high, then nobody will buy them, which means it won't actually suck up many points. Say 10 people per shard buy them at the current price; that means 2.5m points get burned up. On the other hand, if you lowered the price to 50k and tons of people bought multiples, you might burn up 100's of millions of points. The trick to burning up the most points is finding the highest price where the most people will bite.

But, in any case I'm all for cosmetic items that burn up tons and tons of points. It would make everything else (bless deeds, suits, etc.) that much more valuable. I'm just thinking that these are set too high to really generate much action. 25-50k per or 5-10 charges at current price is where I think the most points get burned. And hopefully a really cool item comes up in the future after everyone has flushed all their points

 

[Dermott of LS]

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The concept is sound for a sink mechanic: A consumable, cosmetic enhancement that has a limited range of qualities that are rotated on a monthly basis.

The problem is that the cost is absurd.

I may want a certain color because I like the color. I tend to not go for the "I want the color because hardly anyone else has it, nor do I want anyone else to have it" mindset that the current cost (and some posters) have put forward.

It has that notion of "almost, but not quite right" to it.

 

[Viper09]

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The concept is sound for a sink mechanic: A consumable, cosmetic enhancement that has a limited range of qualities that are rotated on a monthly basis.

The problem is that the cost is absurd.

I may want a certain color because I like the color. I tend to not go for the "I want the color because hardly anyone else has it, nor do I want anyone else to have it" mindset that the current cost (and some posters) have put forward.

It has that notion of "almost, but not quite right" to it.

People like it though. Remember back when there were those rare hair dyes, followed by the npc that started selling neon hair dyes at, what were considered then, high prices?

 

[G.v.P]

I went with 10k because I spent all my points prior to the announcement of Clean Up 2011 part two. And 'cause they're dyes...why should changing your suit color cost so much? Unless I actively farm items for clean-up, I'm not going to get 250k points in time for each dye. Then what's the point of clean-up if you have to farm to get items? lol it's more like ToT ;P

 

[Epic of Legends]

I voted for 10k points... The gold amount really puts into perspective - These dyes would be worth MORE than a lot of wanted items for example, tangles, cc's, LUCK CONJURERS GARBS, conj trinkets, heck 3 of these total a value of a lavaliere... These are way overpriced. I'm also going to say in hopes dev's see this DO NOT MAKE THE DYES OBTAINED AS COMPENSATION AVAILABLE AGAIN THROUGH CLEAN-UP, Please. Especially where dyes are only available once a month why should we spend outrageous amounts to buy them? Sure they're a point sink. Don't make the other players suffer from the dupers actions. Please, please make them at least 50k. Maybe I'm hoping they will lower them because I won't even use the dyes, but rather keep them on display. For I love all types of dyes. Where the dyes are available for just some time, please make them a bit more affordable, at least possible to get 1 of every color per month. As someone above stated, it's not the more expensive that will eliminate large amounts of gold from the game, but rather affordable costs. Think about that.

 

[THP]

Seems the devs have listened to the public and made the dye pots 250k points for 5 charges...on the origin release anyways....so a lot better...so 50k a pop!!

great change though.....at least we know the devs do listen and respond to the populous...........awesome job devsrolleyes:

and still desirable to the bank sitter types and collector type players for sure as they are still 250k points or 25m gold to buy!!! per pot of 5 charges....

 

[G.v.P]

Seems the devs have listened to the public and made the dye pots 250k points for 5 charges...on the origin release anyways....so a lot better...so 50k a pop!!

Sweet too bad it isn't six so you could do a full suit ;/ but five is better than one hehe

 

[MalagAste]

That's good 5 is WAY better than one. It not only is 50k per charge but it takes up 4 less lockdowns than if you had to buy them at 50k apiece.


Please keep in mind DEV's when you put ANYTHING in the lands... you need to ask yourself.... "Should this item be stackable?"..... almost always the answer will be YES!

Nothing is worse than filling ones house with 100 things that should take up only 1 lockdown... Compassion Sage??? The still not fixed Chocolateering items..... How about Powercrystals? Oh so many things that should stack but don't.

Give us more things that combine like baits... Awesome idea... needs to be used in other area's. Such as plant dyes...

 

[Shiznit Bo'Bourbon]

I went with 10k because I spent all my points

Most truthful sentence of the thread.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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*Takes a victory lap*

The new "price point" for the dyes is perfect. At 250k, they're still difficult to get (assuming you don't have a pile of points or trash left), and with 5 charges, they're actually useable (instead of "too expensive to use").

This was the price point that I had asked for in my initial posting, so that's cool to see happen (thus the victory lap).

Full disclosure, I'm sitting at 571,000 points mainly from BOD rewards (lower end runics, power scrolls, etc) and because I had already grabbed the rewards I wanted and have been waiting to see the final outcome of the system before making a final run at stuff. So, yes, I benefit from that little strategy, however I want the dyes to USE them, not as some form of commodity for certain playstyles, so I'm happy that they've made them useable, but without cheapening them.

 

[G.v.P]

Most truthful sentence of the thread.

lol but that's just half of the original sentence! but yeah, I won't sugar coat it. I'd rather grind less if I can.

the thing that bugs me the most about clean up is i never got to turn in my collector's edition books, and since the inscribe people farmed the hell out of them they have no value anymore. can't sell them...guess I'll just toss them on the floor next time I log-in ;P.