Classic Shard - Don't Bother (To the Devs)

[Aragon100]

It is not as simple as some of you think. First question is with the creation of a pre-aos shard what is the actual period of pre-aos wanted? Will a ton of people really come back or is it just total unsupported bs? Sure, a handful of people said they will, but enough to even bother? Those who do come back, will they even stay or will it turn into another low population shard within half a year? Will this shard even get the attention it needs after release or become messed up and ignored like siege? That would drive away a lot of players.

And even if all those questions get positive answers, will it be profitable, will players want to pay for it as opposed to the free shards, and biggest question, can they convince EA to let them do it? Something tells me EA is truly the biggest obsticle if a classic shard is to ever be creatd. Because in the end it's a business, and the people at the top (EA) are the ones who need to approve it and be truly convinced it will turn a profit and keep it.

I can only speak for my guild and we alone have +30 that will start on a classic shard.

Pre AoS freeshards have loads of players interested in a EA classic shard, only problem is that there is none to play on. UO before AoS was subscription high peak and loads of those players ended their subscription after AoS. They searched for alternatives and found them on the different pre AoS freeshards.

Im convinced after playing many of these pre AoS freeshards from 2003 that the hopefully coming classic shard will bring EA more money then any of the today existing servers.

Yes, straw man. It refers to your argument technique where you don’t focus on facts. You’re trying to divert attention away from the actual problems of creating a classic shard instead of acknowledging and addressing them.

And again, you fail to recognize the issue with free shards. There are dozens of them out there. Several of them purport to be a ‘classic’ server. Why would anyone PAY EA to play on an official one? You do realize that this classic shard would be feature locked at whatever point ‘classic’ is eventually distilled to. Meaning there will be NO progression of any kind past those features. No new content aside from what EMs or the metafiction might do, less your ‘classic’ just becomes a Siege retread.

I played many of the most populated freeshards and what they lack is the true old setting that only a original EA classic server would provide. Just take evolution pets, different spell timers, different rule settings for murdercounts, allowing reds in towns, allowing reds to be healed in towns, new faction HQ and on and on and hopefully you realize that today freeshards is almost as far from the classic EA pre AoS server as today game is.

Freeshards can never be as good an option as the original pre AoS classic server. And just to keep you up to date about these freeshards, many leave them cause they get further and further away from the original classic game. A original classic server would get more subscribers then any today existing server and that is what subscribers of today fear.

 

[Vlaude]

That one's easy:

http://vboards.stratics.com/1798180-post86.html

Thank you. Don't worry about finding Cal's quote if you can't. This was the one I was more concerned with seeing. I'm PMing Cal now, and suggest anyone who wants him to keep his word about an announcement before the end of the year (whether for or against a classic shard) do the same.

 

[DPudding]

I wouldn't play it. Those days are long gone....and they weren't as fun as you remember. Granted....if there were 5000 people on the shard like there was in the old days it might be interesting....but they aint gonna be. Cancel the account and find something else from your youth that's not as fun as you think it was.

 

[UONoob08]

Right....

Because a few code geeks hashing out a custom server in their leisure time based on readily available emulator software is equivalent to Mythic setting up a classic server. Not.

The simple errors in logic there are:
1) These servers aren’t known for their robust stability Ea wouldn't have that problem2) Aren’t as “classic” as many want them to beThat's a personal decision.
3) Mythic wouldn’t USE emulator software in the first place, assuming they are professionals. Yes but I think the "difficulty statements" are just excuses...If the classic sharders are willing to accept an emulator hackjob, why haven’t one (or more) of you done it yet?

Because I'm a business professional and I believe that public emu's infringe on the rights of the creators.

Have you ever played a UO emu?

 

[Uriah Heep]

It's all a crazy argument anyway.
It can be done, I know people who have done it.
If EA did it and ran it professionally on their servers, stability wouldn't be an issue. (Kinda hard to say that with a straight face after reading about Atlantics probs lately)
The problem with playing a Emu solely, is that you are subject to the creators whims...and God forbid you **** him off
Of course, the same plug can be pulled on prodo shards at any time by EA, but it's less likely to happen.
The anti classic crowd that fusses and gets testy when this is brought up, I don't understand your reasoning. If other people are given a classic shard to play on, how does that impact you if you are not forced to play on it? And can continue your game on your shard as normally do?
I don't buy that lame excuse and story of time and resources...I mean really, what resources are we getting now? Flip the switch and turn on '09s Thanksgiving event? Move Bane to Ilsh, and not code anything to happen? Changing the code on a dye tub to make it dye white instead of red? Gimme a break...
You're not gonna lose any dev time if they make a shard...cause ya aren't getting any now... /rant
/opinion

 

[Rakoth]

I know why there is an anti-classic shard movement.

You see, if EA did bring out a classic shard, and it was as successful as a some people surmise it would, well, knowing how clueless EA is... There's no doubt they would say, "Gosh, look at this crowd on Classic Shard A! You know we have all these other shards of varying populations, some high and some low, we could probably push a bunch together, free up a few of those shards, and make them just like Classic Shard A, because obviously Classic Shard A is what's working right now. The population(s) clamoring for their home shard to stay the same are just a vocal minority, they won't mind resettling!"

Don't deny it, you know that's just the sort of silliness that EA would pull.

 

[I Play UO]

I don't buy that lame excuse and story of time and resources...I mean really, what resources are we getting now? Flip the switch and turn on '09s Thanksgiving event?

So what makes you think they have the time to mess around with a classic shard? You refuted your own argument.

 

[Uriah Heep]

LOL
Silly, we just told ya, anyone can build one in a coupla afternoons.
The point being, for those that missed it, is that this would NOT be a 6-12 month dedicated balls to the wall marathon of programming!
Anyone can do it, what's being asked for is that EA do it, for security and stability purposes.
If ya need further help understanding the point, PM me.

 

[I Play UO]

LOL
Silly, we just told ya, anyone can build one in a coupla afternoons.
The point being, for those that missed it, is that this would NOT be a 6-12 month dedicated balls to the wall marathon of programming!
Anyone can do it, what's being asked for is that EA do it, for security and stability purposes.
If ya need further help understanding the point, PM me.

Really? It's that simple? How about when people start complaining about bugs that are no longer fixed, events not taking place, imbalances in PvP, etc. You can't just create the shard, you have to MAINTAIN it.

 

[HD2300]

Cal has summing it all up by recently posting don't believe anything unless it is in the publish notes. Hahahahaha Suckers. :loser:

 

[Zosimus]

Really? It's that simple? How about when people start complaining about bugs that are no longer fixed, events not taking place, imbalances in PvP, etc. You can't just create the shard, you have to MAINTAIN it.

ROFLSTOMP!!!!!! Bloody hilarious. Didnt you read any of these posts? I even posted all they would have to do is tweak it a little bit and no publishes. Meaning by tweaking it would be bug fixes which would include the current shards that have bugs still from pre AoS days. Keep the darn shard classic with no publishes. Plus it doesnt cost as what you think.

Here is a tiny part of a quote of a big quote I posted you must of missed. from another gaming company....

Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true – you know it, and they know it. Gamers may buy the argument that your MMO requires a subscription fee, if you can tell them what they are getting for their money. This is the legacy of games like Guild Wars, Maple Story, and Silkroad Online, all of which introduced new business models into the MMO genre and were quite successful. The subscription model is still perfectly viable, but the pain threshold is very low now. It's no secret that gamers don't want to pay a subscription fee. If you can convince them that your game offers enough value to justify it, more power to you! But be prepared to defend your decision, often and loudly, and back it up over the lifetime of your game

.

At this time I dont think Mythic Bioware can defend against anything with the HIGH SEA release messing up UO more atm. It's made UO more bugged then before.

 

[Vyal]

It's pointless...

If everyone on UO said we want a classic shard it wouldn't happen.
Just look at the whole glass sword thing...

Developers don't care what the paying customers want. Now that I think about it everyone should just go join a freaking classic freeshard, cancel your production account and tell EA to go to hell. Thats just me..

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Cal has summing it all up by recently posting don't believe anything unless it is in the publish notes. Hahahahaha Suckers. :loser:

Actually, no
Cal "summed it up" very concisely back in February of this year

from UOHerald

Producer's Letter - Where are we and what the heck are we doing?
Calvin Crowner
12 Feb 2010 20:45:02 EST

Next: is there ever going to be a classic shard? I will tell you … it’s a good idea … in theory. In practice it gets a LOT more complicated. We had a Saturday lunch recently (the same method we used when we were developing for Stygian Abyss), and discussed the benefits and costs (resource and impact to community) for developing a Classic shard. First we discussed what does a Classic Shard really mean? We came up with some core ideas and left it at that. There are several other things surrounding the implementation, and we almost have it nailed. Will we do it?
I don’t know and cant’ say for certain, but at some point we will put the idea to rest one way or another, and we hope to make that decision this year.

*ahem*
very concisely and succinctly
and typically mis-read as some form of "promise"

nay nay chowder heads
"hope" is MORE vague and vacuous than


soon


nes pas?
observe:
it would be as correct to deduce
Cal "hopes" to be employed to the end of this year ...(now, dec ... see?)
in fact ^^that deduction HAS a "boundary"(midnight dec 31st)

hope
don't

burma shave
/thread

 

[Theo_GL]

What EA should do is go the Salesforce route.

Provide the standard prod servers but then also 'host' other player servers. You would pay a small fee to play these beyond the basic service cost. Players could create/run these shards within reason and get a cut.

Lets say you cut UO subscription fees to $10/month for the service. Then these other shards cost $1-2 a month to play and 20% of that goes to the shard creator/maintainer.

The best shards survive - the junk fades. EA gets others to create their content. You could have 10 diff 'classic' shards.

No work from EA.

Just make the interface/SDK better for people to create/maintain worlds.

 

[Vlaude]

Actually, no
Cal "summed it up" very concisely back in February of this year



*ahem*
very concisely and succinctly
and typically mis-read as some form of "promise"

nay nay chowder heads
"hope" is MORE vague and vacuous than


soon


nes pas?
observe:
it would be as correct to deduce
Cal "hopes" to be employed to the end of this year ...(now, dec ... see?)
in fact ^^that deduction HAS a "boundary"(midnight dec 31st)

hope
don't

burma shave
/thread

He also said here that they would have an answer by year end: http://www.uoherald.com/node/20

We aren't debating legal documents here.. When he uses words like "hope" or "would" it won't bail them out from what people are expecting of them. They've had long enough to give an answer. I've made payment through the end of this month. If no answer is given by then or if it comes out as no I will not be making any further payments unless they decide to make a classic server later on. I won't be canceling any sooner than that because a) I've already paid and b) I'll hold out until year end to see if they can come up with an answer by then.

 

[Babble]

What EA should do is go the Salesforce route.

Provide the standard prod servers but then also 'host' other player servers. You would pay a small fee to play these beyond the basic service cost. Players could create/run these shards within reason and get a cut.

Lets say you cut UO subscription fees to $10/month for the service. Then these other shards cost $1-2 a month to play and 20% of that goes to the shard creator/maintainer.

The best shards survive - the junk fades. EA gets others to create their content. You could have 10 diff 'classic' shards.

No work from EA.

Just make the interface/SDK better for people to create/maintain worlds.

Would be nice.

 

[I Play UO]

ROFLSTOMP!!!!!! Bloody hilarious. Didnt you read any of these posts? I even posted all they would have to do is tweak it a little bit and no publishes. Meaning by tweaking it would be bug fixes which would include the current shards that have bugs still from pre AoS days. Keep the darn shard classic with no publishes. Plus it doesnt cost as what you think.

So you mean they would have to re-write every single bug fix up to now because you only want them to include the content from a classic shard? What's hilarious is how you think your opinion is reflective of every single person that would play the shard. I kind of hope they do release a classic shard so that people would realize it's no longer what it used to be. But ya, throwing away 8 years of development to make a classic shard is totally the way to go...

 

[Picus at the office]

If they did it I would love for it to be a free to play server(only this one) but no homes. You want a small plot? $15(the cost of a month at full price)with no larger plots.

 

[Vyal]

Yes because the largest shard I have ever seen with the most active players is not even run by EA. I'm talking 2x the numbers of Atlantic and guess what? It's all classic created in 2000 and still running.
If you don't think those players would return to play your out of your mind.
People play them because they give the people what they want to play unlike EA, EA never does anything at all people want. It seems like if we all want something they do their best job to make sure it doesn't happen.

 

[Aragon100]

Well years ago you would see players all over fel and that slowly died because they opened to many new lands to place homes.Players moved away from fel and started to play a different style.

Players left felucca because the game changed into something totally new and unacceptable with the implementation of AoS, not because new lands were opening up.

Before AoS felucca were booming with players.

UOR was actually the most fun time in felucca. Trammel/Malas had very little impact to felucca and the ones claiming this just dont know what they're talking about.

 

[Babble]

hmm, depends on my medicamentation

 

[Beer_Cayse]

Hmmm - one persons opinion. I say put up a pre_AOS "classic" shard. Let it remain online for about a year period.

If population and satisfaction of that playerbase is good, keep it. Those who wished and clamored for it will be able to say "I tole ya so!" to those like you who poo-poo it.

If population and satisfaction of that playerbase is NOT good, scrap it. Those (like you?) who poo-poo it ... and the Devs ... will be able to tell the group who clamored for it "See? You couldn't even keep your dream shard alive!"

 

[copycon]

I'm surprised with all of this back and forth talk that no one has considered the impact that a Classic Shard would have on the support staffing situation that EA has with UO...

I believe that a big part of the decision rests on what they will do to support the environment with a sudden influx of new players; let alone to support an environment that is entirely different than the other X number of shards that are being "supported" today. Those considerations go beyond the technical feasibility which is quite obvious given that it has been done many times over by others.

The fact remains though that those "others" who have built their own Classic Shard adaptations were not the "mother ship", and as such they did not have the level of accountability or anywhere near the number of eyes focused on their efforts.

I will continue to stand by until 12/31/2010 or an announcement is made one way or the other though.

 

[Beer_Cayse]

Good point and one I hadn't thought of. I've closed my accounts but await whatever is said about a shard of this nature. One gets opened - even in a test mode - I'll reopen at least one account for play on it. It only needs to be pre-AOS for me to be happy.

 

[Striped Damsel]

Why all the talk about the massive amounts of money to make this shard? EA already has server space, they have the code for the game, and they have the "know-how" to create a server like this. If this is anything like RUNUO, simply change a few lines of code and it disables all the AoS, ML, SA garbage. Im down as long as it is atleast pre-aos. Publish 16 killed this game, I was away for 4 years and recently came back (three days ago) for this new expansion. However since the expansion doesnt include any gametime, I dont know if I will even buy it.

 

[Babble]

Recreating a pre AOS shard is not so easy for EA.
The emulators were programmed with those differences (PreAOS/AOS/SE/ML/SA/HS) in mind, which EA did not.
So they would have to reverse engineer and that takes time.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

I can only speak for my guild and we alone have +30 that will start on a classic shard.

See, I don't begrudge people wanting a classic shard, or even going to play on one if one materialized. However, for it to be financially viable, current account holders don't count. EA already has you on the hook for your monthly sub+expansions+boosters+etc. You are already theirs.

The classic shard would have to bring back a ton of ‘new’ players for the outlay of resources to be recouped without cutting into whatever profit UO is already making - and yes, it is assumed UO is currently making a profit.

If that ton of people were waiting with money in hand to beat down EA's door to a classic hard, AND the creation of same would not negatively impact the other shards then they should do it. A few “hundred” people do not equal that ‘ton.’

Because I'm a business professional and I believe that public emu's infringe on the rights of the creators.

Have you ever played a UO emu?

The last statement in the original post was sarcasm designed to point out that it’s not so easy to do, and that nobody has yet to determine what 'classic' even IS. (Since pre-AoS is anything before Feb. 28, 2003)

In '98 I tried the horribly unstable emulator that let you play around with the map and build houses and such on your own PC. Since then, no, I have not. Zero interest in playing on a shard that could disappear overnight. However, I do know lots of people who migrated to one specific free shard and continue to harass their friends on GL with enticements to join them.

 

[Zosimus]

ROFLSTOMP!!!!!! Bloody hilarious. Didnt you read any of these posts? I even posted all they would have to do is tweak it a little bit and no publishes. Meaning by tweaking it would be bug fixes which would include the current shards that have bugs still from pre AoS days. Keep the darn shard classic with no publishes. Plus it doesnt cost as what you think.

So you mean they would have to re-write every single bug fix up to now because you only want them to include the content from a classic shard? What's hilarious is how you think your opinion is reflective of every single person that would play the shard. I kind of hope they do release a classic shard so that people would realize it's no longer what it used to be. But ya, throwing away 8 years of development to make a classic shard is totally the way to go...

LAWL!!! The classic shard can be made. The code is still there. Not all of it but most of it is. They would have to go back in tweak and rewrite code that is missing. BUGS, and I say again, BUGS that UO still has from before AOS should be fixed. You pay to have a buggy game or you pay to play? 8 years of developement have not fixed those bugs and created more. BUGS should be a priority. Not eye candy, boosters, or expansions.

All shards should be fixed not just a classic. I'd rather have them fixing bugs then adding pixel crack. It seems that adding new arties or boats is more important then fixing bugs. Oh they are now doing micro transactions for extra pixel crack on top of a monthly fee that is suppose to cover bandwith and servers. Thats what they want you to believe that monthly fee is for. Go check out NCsoft losing to RG ( UO's creator) in court. He sued for 47 million and got 28 million. That money came from people like us thinking the "MONTHLY FEE" is for the game to be ship shape. In truth its for companies to line their pockets with and leave the consumer with left over broken pixels. Dont worry, they will come up with new games and move more people that work on it from the games they already created. Talk about a skeleton crew thats what the old games are left with. lol Hey you like a broken game keep paying for it.

Once a classic time period is determined then the shard would never need ANY publishes. It would stay the same. If they wanted to add more storage space they could patch it but not adding any new content. It used to take groups of people to go kill an ancient wyrm. Realism at its finest in UO. People interacted more then they do now. Wouldnt cost EA/Mythic Bioware anymore money. Once published and left alone besides a server maintance it wouldnt take any time from the DEVS. To keep plugging eye candy to make us forget errr I meant fixing bugs ( I forgot when I was thinking of that big new shiny ship they are coming out with) and creating more bugs is a good reason to keep charging that monthly fee. Wait till the fee goes higher because of inflation and how they have to keep creating pixel crack for the addicts.

I think you are more afraid of your shard losing people. Most shards are dead and there is no denying it. 15 people with 7 chars on an account can make a guild look huge with a 105 chars. Go check uo.com and see guild numbers for all shards. If a classic shard would bring back players and more life to UO then why fight it.

 

[I Play UO]

I think you are more afraid of your shard losing people. Most shards are dead and there is no denying it. 15 people with 7 chars on an account can make a guild look huge with a 105 chars. Go check uo.com and see guild numbers for all shards. If a classic shard would bring back players and more life to UO then why fight it.

I think you have no idea what you're talking about and just like to ramble...

 

[Zosimus]

No. I do know what I am talking about. You are pretty thick. I back alot of my stuff with proof. In your quote I even said go check uo.com. Go check the shards for yourself. The common rock has better grasp at understanding then you.

 

[Aragon100]

See, I don't begrudge people wanting a classic shard, or even going to play on one if one materialized. However, for it to be financially viable, current account holders don't count. EA already has you on the hook for your monthly sub+expansions+boosters+etc. You are already theirs.

None of us +30 is subscribers so it will all be new profit for EA. We play
freeshards.

As i see it there is no problem getting enough subscribers but actually get the damn server going.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

He also said here that they would have an answer by year end: http://www.uoherald.com/node/20

We aren't debating legal documents here.. When he uses words like "hope" or "would" it won't bail them out from what people are expecting of them. They've had long enough to give an answer. I've made payment through the end of this month. If no answer is given by then or if it comes out as no I will not be making any further payments unless they decide to make a classic server later on. I won't be canceling any sooner than that because a) I've already paid and b) I'll hold out until year end to see if they can come up with an answer by then.

no ... he "said"
(from your supplied link)
So where are we on a decision? I made a statement in March that we would have an answer before the end of the year. It’s still summer, and we have goals to meet before September, so we are not focused on implementing a solution or design docs right now.
*snicker*
YOU need to find that "march" statement that he references ...
else it is the
February statement that he is referencing
the one I linked and noted the Use Of "Hope"

ie. no noticeable "change" in the prognosis
nothing more than "hope" ( which as noted: is >(less than) "soon" )

which leaves ~~ two friday's to release the "decision"
December 10th and 17th

since the remaining two fridays are 'eves' (christmas and new years)

*dusts hands*

 

[Vlaude]

no ... he "said"
(from your supplied link)
So where are we on a decision? I made a statement in March that we would have an answer before the end of the year. It’s still summer, and we have goals to meet before September, so we are not focused on implementing a solution or design docs right now.
*snicker*
YOU need to find that "march" statement that he references ...
else it is the
February statement that he is referencing
the one I linked and noted the Use Of "Hope"

ie. no noticeable "change" in the prognosis
nothing more than "hope" ( which as noted: is >(less than) "soon" )

which leaves ~~ two friday's to release the "decision"
December 10th and 17th

since the remaining two fridays are 'eves' (christmas and new years)

*dusts hands*

Yeah, no. Maybe you should learn proper grammatical structure before arguing semantics because you just look like an idiot. My original statement to you still stands firm and that is why everyone (but you) is holding him to an end of year deadline on an announcement for this.

 

[Skrag]

Fayled has always typed with their feet and generally embarrassed the English language.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Yeah, no. Maybe you should learn proper grammatical structure before arguing semantics because you just look like an idiot. My original statement to you still stands firm and that is why everyone (but you) is holding him to an end of year deadline on an announcement for this.

Actually ... learning semantics BEFORE studying grammatical structure ... is the wiser way to "learn". *shrugs*

"Everybody" is NOT holding him to an end of year deadline
there are a few that HOPE he manages to "make it"

I don’t know and cant’ say for certain, but at some point we will put the idea to rest one way or another, and we hope to make that decision this year.

IF you were wiser than the idiot that you named me ...
You could see the "flaw" in HIS statement there

He/They/Them >>Will NEVER<< put the classic shard debate to rest
IF they put one up ... it'll be the wrong one (and buggy ... ie the "great idea" will persist )
IF they don't ... YOU will always hold onto some ... false hope ...
ie : to cherish a desire with anticipation ... that will, most likely, never be fulfilled.

observe:
you've been hoping (based on Cal) for most of a year
I've been aware since February (longer actually) ...

'tain't happ'nin' cap'n


All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.
Peter Pan (1953)

 

[Vlaude]

Actually ... learning semantics BEFORE studying grammatical structure ... is the wiser way to "learn". *shrugs*

"Everybody" is NOT holding him to an end of year deadline
there are a few that HOPE he manages to "make it"


IF you were wiser than the idiot that you named me ...
You could see the "flaw" in HIS statement there

He/They/Them >>Will NEVER<< put the classic shard debate to rest
IF they put one up ... it'll be the wrong one (and buggy ... ie the "great idea" will persist )
IF they don't ... YOU will always hold onto some ... false hope ...
ie : to cherish a desire with anticipation ... that will, most likely, never be fulfilled.

observe:
you've been hoping (based on Cal) for most of a year
I've been aware since February (longer actually) ...

'tain't happ'nin' cap'n


All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.
Peter Pan (1953)

Christ. I'm glad you can google definitions. Now if you can just go one step further and learn the meaning of contextualization you might finally be able to understand what I'm talking about. Here, let me lend you a hand... context. Whether or not the announcement is made by the end of the year does not take away the deadline Cal gave himself and his team in the statements we've referenced. When time frames are mentioned in a business context they are expected to be held no matter what language is used to present them. If no announcement is made by year end threads will be made about it and accounts will be closed (some already have been as you can see in this thread), end of story.

 

[Coldren]

What EA should do is go the Salesforce route.

Provide the standard prod servers but then also 'host' other player servers. You would pay a small fee to play these beyond the basic service cost. Players could create/run these shards within reason and get a cut.

Lets say you cut UO subscription fees to $10/month for the service. Then these other shards cost $1-2 a month to play and 20% of that goes to the shard creator/maintainer.

The best shards survive - the junk fades. EA gets others to create their content. You could have 10 diff 'classic' shards.

No work from EA.

Just make the interface/SDK better for people to create/maintain worlds.

Now that is one intriguing solution.

The only hiccup I see is support. Because it's being hosted by EA, people will expect EA to support it, even though they don't create it. Lawsuits and harassment issues, as well as being subject to the whims of the shard creators could be problematic.

If they couldn't enforce issues with Guides in the first iteration, I can't imagine the problems they'd have with individual shards.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Christ. I'm glad you can google definitions. Now if you can just go one step further and learn the meaning of contextualization you might finally be able to understand what I'm talking about. Here, let me lend you a hand... context. Whether or not the announcement is made by the end of the year does not take away the deadline Cal gave himself and his team in the statements we've referenced. When time frames are mentioned in a business context they are expected to be held no matter what language is used to present them. If no announcement is made by year end threads will be made about it and accounts will be closed (some already have been as you can see in this thread), end of story.

Ah!

contextualization
transitive verb
: to place (as a word or activity) in a context

YOU have taken the context(erroneously by the way)
That the statement of "hope to by end of year"
as being in the >context< of being a commitment ...

'tisn't ... tis what it was stated as: "hope"
I am merely pointing out your error ...
pffft!

even Calvin of calvin and hobbes fame ...
knew better than that

Calvin enters with a request of "mom"
"mom" replies with a "not now, Calvin"
Calvin pauses and ponders the context for a frame
then
Calvin elucidates the "function"(context) TO his mom ...
Mom! Now is now, and now is now ...EVERY moment is now ... So:
Not now =means= never ...

hope this clears your error for you ...

I am Your: Fayled Dhreams
Fiat justitia ruat caelum

 

[Vyal]

stop posting & for the love of god make some freaking sense when you type no one wants to read that.

 

[Zosimus]

Look beside Vlaude and Fayled debating this and that there is an easier way. At least ONE dev has read this. I say call them on it. Put there so called reputation up to the plate. Either they say yes or no with a reasonable time frame if the answer is yes. Not a half a** answer. Simple as that. I mean if one can come on here on stratics and say. "dont like it then dont play it" then they can answer this once and for all. So devs step up or be a coward.

 

[Zosimus]

stop posting & for the love of god make some freaking sense when you type no one wants to read that.

I have to admit that made me laugh. Thank you lol

 

[Vlaude]

The only point Fayled has proven is this...

Fayled has always typed with their feet and generally embarrassed the English language.

I agree with Zosimus, devs should give us an answer now.

 

[Zosimus]

The issue I have with this from my point of view, we as a society accept subpar work and products now days. I understand we are humans and can make mistakes. This is a game but a game should be working better than less or traditional standards. 13 year old game and that is hugely bragged about but do they ( DEVS) really listen to us a paying customers?

As long as we keep feeding the machine we will continue to get the run around, carefully worded/vague answers that leave more questions, and/or no true answers. I can understand from a different out look at it because now days you say something that isnt right you can be held liable and sued. Sad that it has come to this like we have to walk on egg shells anymore. Better shovel your sidewalk, put salt on it, hold anybody hand that walks on your sidewalk so they dont slip and fall, AND have a lighted sign up saying warning you may slip on my sidewalk so you wont get sued.

Basically what I am leading into is a simple yes and no on a classic shard. Many have asked and many have quit or are waiting.

 

[Skrag]

Thread needs more sparklies that do nothing.

 

[Evlar]

Been a while since I popped my head in around these parts and still nothing concrete...

Now THERE'S a surprise...




...not!

I've thrown my tuppence in the pond plenty of times in support of a classic shard. UO was the only subscription based game I ever played. Frankly, I'm out of tuppences.

I think people over inflate their thoughts that it will be expensive to establish and maintain. Well, can't be any more cost intensive or indeed wasting, than declining shards and yet more failed/poorly implemented content, can it now? I think the quoted article regarding Guild Wars made that point pretty much succinctly.

Simply put though, I'll be back playing UO if it happens, but I won't shed any tears if it doesn't.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Basically what I am leading into is a simple yes OR no on a classic shard. Many have asked and many have quit or are waiting.

/false

The "NO" answer has been given for years ...
as evidenced by the >none-existance< of the "classic shard"

Classic shard? not now playa ... *snicker* to put it "simply"
note:
it has also been given in a reasoned manner
it has also been given in a logical manner
it has also been given in a historical manner
it has also been been "banned" as a topic on the forums(as mentioned in the following link)



Seriously ... the NO! HAS BEEN GIVEN ...
time and again ...

must be early onset Alzheimers ...


bur-bu-bu-burma shave

/mods
end of the year would be an excellent time to relaunch the "ban" on retro threads
particularly IF there is no "positive announcement" prior to 23:59hr December 31st 2010

you are welcome *bows*

 

[Zosimus]

Look Im not getting in a debate with you. Your wrong on the /false. The remark was for the DEVS not you. The dev that mentioned it is who I am calling out and asking for a simple yes or no to. A dev mentions it using the word hope or w/e it doesnt matter. The DEV left himself as a target for bringing it up. If they were so DEFINETLY no as you are putting it then it SHOULD of NEVER been brought up by a DEV in a first place. It was mentioned and players do want to know something.

Let me add to this.....

You claim the last 2 fridays are eves. You are right but they also can give an answer on any other day before those eves. Answers are not limited to fridays only. You are not a stratics mod or a DEV so the discussion and topics can continue positive or not. Your 'ban' remark is void and pointless.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Look Im not getting in a debate with you. Your wrong on the /false. The remark was for the DEVS not you. The dev that mentioned it is who I am calling out and asking for a simple yes or no to. A dev mentions it using the word hope or w/e it doesnt matter. The DEV left himself as a target for bringing it up. If they were so DEFINETLY no as you are putting it then it SHOULD of NEVER been brought up by a DEV in a first place. It was mentioned and players do want to know something.

Let me add to this.....

You claim the last 2 fridays are eves. You are right but they also can give an answer on any other day before those eves. Answers are not limited to fridays only. You are not a stratics mod or a DEV so the discussion and topics can continue positive or not. Your 'ban' remark is void and pointless.

keep on flailing ...

'tweren't a "Dev" ... now was it?
ie. whom are you "calling out"?

fine ...
I'm betting that there will either be >No answer< before the end of the year OR
the answer will be > NO < classic/retro/prePubsubn

IF there is no answer and/or a No answer
YOU: quit posting about "it"

IF there is a "yes" answer, before the end of the year
>I< will quit posting, anywhere on stratics ... for 2 months.

Man up?


an addendum?
fine
OF COURSE the producer may speak whenever he desires
I would expect that he would do an e-mail dump to all accounts ABOUT a classic shard effort ... maybe even finance a banner here at stratics that a classic will be coming ...

however



My bet still standsrolleyes:

 

[Zosimus]

Bet accpeted. Dont even say man up to me. I dont back down from anything. A producer is still a dev in my book. I'll even up the odds. They say no I will never re-open any Mythic Bioware game account I have. That means my 2 in DaoC (inactive atm), 2 in War (gametime runs out on dec 23rd for both), and have 4 in UO but 2 active only ( they run out in june) and dont touch them atm.

The funny thing is the will either say no just to get me to shut up about my postings on how they have to maintain a monthly fee for a so called maintance and up keep fee. Mythic broke every game they have control over. Had DAOC which was epic and utterly ruined it. Glass swords are WARHAMMER's version of an over powered witch hunter. 3rd party illegal apps running in all 3 games they control.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Bet accpeted. Dont even say man up to me. I dont back down from anything. A producer is still a dev in my book. I'll even up the odds. They say no I will never re-open any Mythic Bioware game account I have. That means my 2 in DaoC (inactive atm), 2 in War (gametime runs out on dec 23rd for both), and have 4 in UO but 2 active only ( they run out in june) and dont touch them atm.

IF you meant

bet accepted

/done

AND I'll be watching to see if you are man enough ... to not welch the >verifiable< aspect of the bet
ie
YOU not posting about "classic shard" topics ... pro, con ... etc.

*dusts hands*


Any other takers?