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if you are using the default UI then you do not have access to those options if I remember correctly this is part of Pinco's UI!
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Indeed it is with 100's of other helpful features...
There are widely conflicting opinions regarding the merits of both clients. Regarding the Devs' workload, let them personally chime in on the subject and explain why the now second-class citizens of UO (in the minds of EC users) should be pushed into using the newer client. Until the Devs say we no longer have a choice in the matter, I will continue using the CC.
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This is the part that gets me they have stated they are going to continue to support the cc, I do not agree with anyone saying players should leave because they play a certain client ever!
IF you like CC play it enjoy it!
If you like EC play it and enjoy it!
The classic client is just that Classic if they changed it and added thing the EC has it would stop being the CC
The enhanced Client is called the Enhanced Client for a reason it has features the the CC does not this is what makes it the EC!
They are two totally different things and should stay that way!
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Really? Did you happen to miss the vitriol and hate towards people who used the Third Dawn and/or KR clients on this board? The statements made by most pro-EC posters PALE in comparison to the outright trollish behaviour the users of the previous two client upgrades had to endure.
That's perfectly fine with me.
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Pretty much this... Classic should stay as is. (or we will never hear the end of it)
Yes I did read them, and I did not approve of that attitude then, any more than I approve of it now in respect to either client. In case you did not notice, I have never slammed the EC. I believe players should use the client they enjoy, and live and let live.
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Exactly
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Peace be with you, old gypsy.
You, too, Kelmo.
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Ok, I just want to make sure.
I think that most of the arguments you see from the pro-EC crowd show a desire to move UO forward technologically. The Gamebryo engine can simply do far more things than the Legacy engine can (I won't say "Wombat" here since that more the scripting code than the game engine), but as of right now is hampered in doing so BECAUSE of having to make it work in the 2d client as well.
That's one of the reasons why there's such a bad crash bug with the large explosion effect and poison traps in City of the Dead. The EC is using the same process to generate an effect that the CC uses. Instead of using one giant particle effect, it's using HUNDREDS of individual ones.
The other thing being that the CC's native resolution is simply out of date. As screen sizes and resolution settings get bigger, the CC's visibility gets smaller and smaller.
For me it's all technical issues. From what I have seen from the CC crowd, it's all emotional/personal issues. From my standpoint, I'm more personally/emotionally attached to the game itself, not to any specific client. If they were to introduce a new client next week that was an improvement on what the EC has done, I'd jump as soon as I could. I've done it 3 times already (to 3d, to KR, to EC). Going to 3d became necessary when I first got a 17in LCD monitor. It had PLENTY of issues, but I worked around them when necessary. Going to KR was a slight inconvenience for a few days because they shut down the 3d client BEFORE I had access to the KR client. Going from KR to EC has probably been the most difficult because of the downgrades in quality (art and in some areas the UI), but I support it in hopes of seeing further improvement.
The game though has always been the same. Maybe the way I use certain macros has changed, but the game itself has always been UO and until they ditch the sandbox, skill based nature of the game, it always will be, regardless of client.
Ok, I just want to make sure.
I think that most of the arguments you see from the pro-EC crowd show a desire to move UO forward technologically. The Gamebryo engine can simply do far more things than the Legacy engine can (I won't say "Wombat" here since that more the scripting code than the game engine), but as of right now is hampered in doing so BECAUSE of having to make it work in the 2d client as well.
That's one of the reasons why there's such a bad crash bug with the large explosion effect and poison traps in City of the Dead. The EC is using the same process to generate an effect that the CC uses. Instead of using one giant particle effect, it's using HUNDREDS of individual ones.
The other thing being that the CC's native resolution is simply out of date. As screen sizes and resolution settings get bigger, the CC's visibility gets smaller and smaller.
For me it's all technical issues. From what I have seen from the CC crowd, it's all emotional/personal issues. From my standpoint, I'm more personally/emotionally attached to the game itself, not to any specific client. If they were to introduce a new client next week that was an improvement on what the EC has done, I'd jump as soon as I could. I've done it 3 times already (to 3d, to KR, to EC). Going to 3d became necessary when I first got a 17in LCD monitor. It had PLENTY of issues, but I worked around them when necessary. Going to KR was a slight inconvenience for a few days because they shut down the 3d client BEFORE I had access to the KR client. Going from KR to EC has probably been the most difficult because of the downgrades in quality (art and in some areas the UI), but I support it in hopes of seeing further improvement.
The game though has always been the same. Maybe the way I use certain macros has changed, but the game itself has always been UO and until they ditch the sandbox, skill based nature of the game, it always will be, regardless of client.
So you have to modify the client to make it work to your liking? Sounds like a pretty shotty client from the get go...but Ill agree. Every now and then some things do need a bit of tweaking to make them to your liking. We dont always get everything the way we want it.
LOL...Last time I talked to most of the people in my guild....95% of them used the classic client. That is just the main guild I am in. Let me go to my trammel based guild. O wait..I think 1 out of 9 of them use the EC. So...to me it seems the people who use the EC are in the lesser number.
Alot of folks that is probably it. They hate the tediousness of training a new character. Its a shame it cannot take the same amount of time to train a char in the dungeons and playing the game versus on a golem of standing and spamming a spell on yourself.
Yep. They do....and in 3-4 weeks after the close down...there would be cheating tools for the EC...
EA is looking at it from a business standpoint. They like there cash cow called Ultima. They close down the classic client...it is like cutting the cash cows throat. I can say myself..I would personally quit and go play freeshards (where I spend 50% of my time at now anyways)
Not once you use Pinco's client.
So...you have to mod the client to be able to do what UOA does....nuff said...
Well you see. Some people do not have the money to update there PCs. Myself I have been fortunate enough to make a decent paycheck and also work in the IT career field. So I build my own PCs and I also bargain shop and look for deals on parts. I may spend 3 months making a desktop because I find the parts I need when I can find them at amazing prices. I can say that I dont notice a big difference between how the classic client and the EC run on my computer though.
I got on and fooled around with it for about 6 hours...I can say..there were a few things I did like...there were a lot more things I did not like. I could probably spend more time messing with it, but I also think in this light. "Why fix something that aint broken". Right now..the classic client works wonderfully for me. So why change from it.
Pot meet kettle. That is exactly what a lot of Classic Client players would do themselves.
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one thing I would like to add here the EC was Designed to be able to be modded just like the WOW client and many others this is the wave in any client thats worth anything!
So to say the EC has to be modded is false but it has the option to be modded and 2d does not!
So to say the EC has to be modded is false but it has the option to be modded and 2d does not!
Nonsense. The EC doesnt have to use the same "process" to generate an effect. The EC problems are due to resource issues, not the CC.
Then adjust your screen resolution to something that doesn't give you phonebook sized type. I set my 23" wide screen LCD to 1360x768, text in letters & on websites is at a decent size & the CC is a decent size.
The default LCD monitor settings are not mandatory. You can go higher for more screen landscape or lower for something more readable than size 6ish type on your screen.
If your monitor won't handle anything other than one tiny text resolution setting then buy a HP monitor. This HP S2331 handles any resolution setting I've tried very well.
I wouldn't even have a not modded EC installed. The default not modded EC is junk.
People rave about Pinco's work on these forums. How many of those who rave about the EC would keep on using it if EA suddenly blocked all mods from being used with the EC? I bet dang few of them.
"So to say the EC has to be modded is" actually more like true!
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HAS anyone here ever just stuck to the topic lol, oh well thats the forums for ya, since if turned into a "how you can get me to play EC" thread.
1 give me more emotes and dances (like UO3d)
2 replace every thing that is still 2d with 3d, I cant stand using a 3d engine to display a stretched out 2d background.
3 make every one in EC move at the same speed.
4 can we not have our paperdoll make our chars look like the biggest ****** bag in the world.
5 High Rez 3d, Their are many isometric games with the eye candy to make it look smooth, currently our 2d a much cleaner look with some 15 year old texures.
6 and the final thing they can get me to do to change from 2d to 3d is kiss my ...........
1 give me more emotes and dances (like UO3d)
2 replace every thing that is still 2d with 3d, I cant stand using a 3d engine to display a stretched out 2d background.
3 make every one in EC move at the same speed.
4 can we not have our paperdoll make our chars look like the biggest ****** bag in the world.
5 High Rez 3d, Their are many isometric games with the eye candy to make it look smooth, currently our 2d a much cleaner look with some 15 year old texures.
6 and the final thing they can get me to do to change from 2d to 3d is kiss my ...........
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I started it and it was not a troll thank you very much, I love the character sheet in 3d, I asked if we could get it in 2D, then the thread was derailed.
I think its a good suggestion. Would not mind a bigger map. If you want to come in my thread troll me I dont mind, but I am not a troll FYI
I think its a good suggestion. Would not mind a bigger map. If you want to come in my thread troll me I dont mind, but I am not a troll FYI
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Let me step in. If you play the classic client, it is what it is. Not gonna change. The only changes promised are those to keep classic viable. There will not be any real effort put into Classic. If Classic gets change then it is not really classic...
The few so want to have their way over the many so badly they just keep
don't they. 
I doubt they will give up though unless Stratics just locks all client vs client threads and applies a few day ban for each offense.
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There, now we're even.
The default not modded (UOA) CC is junk.
There, now we're even.
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True that
Honestly though, I had wondered the same thing the OP posted at the beginning of the thread. This does appear like something they can do, all they would have to do is make some slight adjustments to the status gump, and bam, you have it. It wouldn't have to look anything like the Character Sheet in EC at all. And it surely wouldn't take away from the CC being Classic.
But then that also does go back to the point about doubling the work load as mentioned in a previous post... assuming everything that was in the EC was asked to be in the CC too... may as well just do what i suggested in my first post in this thread instead.
Oh, and for those of you discussing the EC and whether it needs mods or not... I run the EC without mods, though if I knew how to write mods for it there are a few small ones that I would write for myself. The EC is very playable without mods, and in itself has many of the abilities UOA and UOAM provide for the CC.
True that
Then why has the CC been the survivor in every past attempt to do a new client and is the one most of the current players still use?
Need anything more be said?
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I recall the changes to the crafting gumps, specifically taken from the 3d.
I dont know how EA stands on what engine to be honest, I don't see the problem.
Its just nice to see all my stats on one sheet and not have to write down and add it up.
I am not trying to change the "classic"(makes me feel old) client , just add a small feature.
Any way I should have made a poll instead
no offence was intended to anyone btw
I dont know how EA stands on what engine to be honest, I don't see the problem.
Its just nice to see all my stats on one sheet and not have to write down and add it up.
I am not trying to change the "classic"(makes me feel old) client , just add a small feature.
Any way I should have made a poll instead
no offence was intended to anyone btw
Obviously they were just as bad if not worse than the CC, and without abilities like those from UOA & UOAM.
Then why has the CC been the survivor in every past attempt to do a new client and is the one most of the current players still use?
Need anything more be said?
UOA, UOAM, unsupported programs, and the lack of any good macro system in those clients is what kept the CC going for the most part. With the EC's superior macro system and many of the abilities from UOA & UOAM, the reason for the CC to stick around is starting to vanish.
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because some people will not switch no matter what... set in there ways
Then why has the CC been the survivor in every past attempt to do a new client and is the one most of the current players still use?
Need anything more be said?
And trying a new client for 6 hours is not trying at all..
I was a cc die hard at one time and tried kr for a few hours and said blah i hate it because I did not want to spend the time learning something new and different!
Then over time I tried ec more and more and began to like it more and more and now I wont go back and the only reason I have cc installed along with uoA is to help people when they have questions about how to do something with it!
Oh man!! I give! I give! <laughs> I'll take the bribe!!Also, just as a quick note, incase anyone missed it for some reason... For those that switch over to the Enhanced Client, Storm personally delivers you cookies.
...And quite alot of them. At least 20 dozen.
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KR was a step in the right direction but again was released FAAAR too early in the development cycle due to demands from the Japanese sector (release state should have been early closed beta). Even after a quite amazing run at attempting to fix the issues with the game, development stopped when the team was moved cross country and decimated.
EC was an attempt to compromise with the Hater contingent, the ones who would never compromise anyway and took away many of the better aspects of the KR client while fixing many of the problems. It's been the first UO client and Ultima title to go BACKWARDS in specs. Work on the EC as a client has been shunted multiple times, first due to the push to complete the SA expansion, next after HS when EA laid off many people and refocused several revered UO team members to other projects. Aside from a couple of small "bug sprints", Grimm's art update is the biggest visible work on the EC since it's been released.
Third Dawn was made about 5 years too early and was a dog to run on early 3d architecture. Improvements were made, however they were done long after the client had been released FAAR too early to be useful. However, don't dog on the 3d client unless you want to get rid of the UI enhancements that it gave the 2d client such as paperdoll slots for rings, bracelets, earrings, and gorget, object handles, and shift-clicking to buy out a stack of an item at an NPC vendor.
KR was a step in the right direction but again was released FAAAR too early in the development cycle due to demands from the Japanese sector (release state should have been early closed beta). Even after a quite amazing run at attempting to fix the issues with the game, development stopped when the team was moved cross country and decimated.
EC was an attempt to compromise with the Hater contingent, the ones who would never compromise anyway and took away many of the better aspects of the KR client while fixing many of the problems. It's been the first UO client and Ultima title to go BACKWARDS in specs. Work on the EC as a client has been shunted multiple times, first due to the push to complete the SA expansion, next after HS when EA laid off many people and refocused several revered UO team members to other projects. Aside from a couple of small "bug sprints", Grimm's art update is the biggest visible work on the EC since it's been released.
Are you kidding? The male character sheet is horrible if you mean the paperdoll it looks like the preevolution of human being, the pose is more appropiate for a monkey than for a man.
Kralock was NOT asking about the paperdoll, he was asking about the "Character Sheet" which displays all the stats of your character.
This includes HP, Mana, Stam, Str, Dex, Int, Luck, Weight, Gold, Followers, all resists, damage, hci, ssi, di, lrc, ep, sdi, fcr, fc, lmc, hpr, sr, mr, rpd, and dci.
The Character Sheet displays more info about your character in the EC than the status window shows you in the CC.
Funny, that was my excuse for leaving UO and going to play WoW for 5 years.
No matter how much they add in things from WoW, Diablo, or any other game, UO will still be UO.
After 6 years away from the game, even though many things have changed, it's still UO. I'm kinda surprised you weren't on the same page when Mondain's Legacy came out with all the talk of Elves, quests, instanced boss fights and everything that was inspired by World of Warcraft.
Even after all that, UO is still better than WoW.
UO.
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Yeah, I missed the point where the client turned UO into a Level/Raid based game.
Yeah, I missed the point where the client turned UO into a Level/Raid based game.
Never heard of Doom and Champ Spawns have ya?
"I simply can't get used to EC but, I love the map and the character sheet, could this ever be added to the classic client?"
"Never heard of Doom and Champ Spawns have ya?"
I love how crazily off topic these forums can get, in comparison from first and last posts.
"Never heard of Doom and Champ Spawns have ya?"
I love how crazily off topic these forums can get, in comparison from first and last posts.
And moderating them is a bit like trying to herd cats
Darling Aran, since I freely admit to being not in the first flush of youth if you're trying to wind me up with the age cracks you're failing miserably 
Dear EC people,
There used to be a time when mountains in the CC didn't have ridiculous edges and roads had more than one kind of tile. We'll quit asking for your features in our client when they fix the damage they did to our client in order to facilitate yours.
Yours truly,
CC people
There used to be a time when mountains in the CC didn't have ridiculous edges and roads had more than one kind of tile. We'll quit asking for your features in our client when they fix the damage they did to our client in order to facilitate yours.
Yours truly,
CC people
well, at this point we can all agree that UO has good contents and bad clientS.
Perhaps would be better if they make a new client in flash or html 5 so if we have a 2d graphic there will be a good reason for it
mmm but think about it... flash and html 5 are also supported by pda, iphone, tablet, etc... so this will improve our playerbase!
Perhaps would be better if they make a new client in flash or html 5 so if we have a 2d graphic there will be a good reason for it
mmm but think about it... flash and html 5 are also supported by pda, iphone, tablet, etc... so this will improve our playerbase!
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I don`t think they should add anything more to the CC. All improvements should go into the EC instead of splittin resources. If ya want a char sheet,get off the hi horse and log in with the EC. Boom there it is!
No. Would quit UO and play on free shard, and many would also do the same.
However, I also wouldn't mind some improvements to the CC, perhaps like OP suggested.