Change to "Murder" status needed?

[aarons6]

They've been adding crap to Felucca for 10 years pretending that someday a Trammie will go there, and it's never ever ever worked. Outside of trying to lure Trammies, there's no REASON to put content in Felucca because there's nobody there except a tiny minority of jackholes who sit around ruining General Chat.

"Us ten guys sitting around Yew Fel gate totally deserve new lands that will sit empty forever!"

How about no?

are you kidding its never worked?

on my shard the main trammy guild even made a faction sister guild..

they attempt to do champ spawns all of the time and then they complain about being raided and such as they think that if they are there they own the spawn.. its funny.

but this thread has NOTHING to do about fel or new fel lands.

it is about pvp and murder counts and reds entering tram, ilsh, malas and tokonu..

 

[pgib]

I withdraw my "blue disguise kit" proposal: apparently reds didn't learn anything. Even if the system prevents players to attack eachother in trammel there's nothing it can do against felony, something pks are very familiar with. Stay banished in the rotten land you built with your own hands and count yourselves that they gave you forged pardons.

 

[Viper09]

I withdraw my "blue disguise kit" proposal: apparently reds didn't learn anything. Even if the system prevents players to attack eachother in trammel there's nothing it can do against felony, something pks are very familiar with. Stay banished in the rotten land you built with your own hands and count yourselves that they gave you forged pardons.

What on earth are you rambling about? lol

Of course they will never be able to attack anyone in tram. You can't even attack a gray in tram. Long ago reds were able to enter ilshenar, upon entering they would appear blue but still have their counts. No they didn't cause any trouble, they couldn't attack anyone, they were bound by the standard rules. Don't know why they did away with the whole thing though but that's how I imagine it would work. Now what on earth is this rambling about felony? If you're talking about getting wacked when entering guard zones they did away with that a long long time ago.

 

[pgib]

I was thinking exactly the same when i proposed the kit stuff but then i saw this:

"...as they think that if they are there they own the spawn..."

And it instantly reminded me of an episode, in trammel of course, where a guy came in and killed a mini-champ while i was finishing the spawn. Then i asked him: don't you think there is something a bit wrong in doing what you did? And the answer was astonishing: this is a public hunt, i can kill what i want.

You know, some player needs system enforced rules to act fairly, otherwise they simply don't get it. Reds are like that: it is not that Felucca is a desert because players don't like naked trees but because reds attacks on sight, no matter what you're doing. If they stop with that mood, felucca will be full again. Well, not very full because we have a chronic lack of players but you get the point.

 

[Viper09]

I was thinking exactly the same when i proposed the kit stuff but then i saw this:

"...as they think that if they are there they own the spawn..."

And it instantly reminded me of an episode, in trammel of course, where a guy came in and killed a mini-champ while i was finishing the spawn. Then i asked him: don't you think there is something a bit wrong in doing what you did? And the answer was astonishing: this is a public hunt, i can kill what i want.

You know, some player needs system enforced rules to act fairly, otherwise they simply don't get it. Reds are like that: it is not that Felucca is a desert because players don't like naked trees but because reds attacks on sight, no matter what you're doing. If they stop with that mood, felucca will be full again. Well, not very full because we have a chronic lack of players but you get the point.

You have an episode in which someone kills a spawn that you're hunting and you automatically assume they are a pvper? Or you think that every pvper will come around and do exactly the same thing? I guess I could just tell you that people on both sides of the game, pvp and pvm there are those who are, jack-asses (excuse the language). There is no one side that has it all or has the majority of course you may or may not believe it, I can understand either thought. It's hard to imagine that past all the pvp smack talk that the person is actually pretty nice. Many people who avoid fel like the plague would be surprised how nice some of the people are.

 

[pgib]

The second one. Not every red of course but i fear the vast majority will just be very "bad trammies". And we are not short of them by our own. That's why i changed my mind.

 

[Viper09]

The second one. Not every red of course but i fear the vast majority will just be very "bad trammies". And we are not short of them by our own. That's why i changed my mind.

Seems incredibly brash to just assume that since a pk likes to kill players that the vast majority will suddenly be spending their time griefing spawns in tram.

 

[Gowron]

I venture into fel periodically without the desire to PvP each and every time. Thus, if I'm not there to PvP, I enjoy the luxury of assigning a count.

The fact that the OP seems to dismiss other fel activities as insignificant seems more to be a rant against something they had to face as a consequence to their play choice.

People make their choices in how to conduct themselves in this game. Accept the consequences of the choices along with the benefit. Then again, what should I expect when UHALL has never been a no whining zone for fel PvP'rs.

Have a nice day.

 

[aarons6]

The second one. Not every red of course but i fear the vast majority will just be very "bad trammies". And we are not short of them by our own. That's why i changed my mind.

dude you talk as if every red char in the game is the only char the person plays on that account..

i hate to break your bubble but if im in a mood i love to go to tram spawns and jump those as well..
just nothing you can do about it but get mad and "page a gm on me" hah i dunno how many times i sat there while someone was saying that..

again this isnt a fel vs tram debate..

its a pvp debate.. and right now pvp is broken.

 

[Viper09]

The fact that the OP seems to dismiss other fel activities as insignificant seems more to be a rant against something they had to face as a consequence to their play choice.

Seems to me you are missing most if not all the points that have been addressed several times throughout this thread or perhaps you just didn't read much of this thread at all. You might want to take a look at the major points points here. As an example is that I never dismissed other fel activities as insignificant. In fact the only thing I said was insignificant was "double fame" as an activity.

 

[5% Luck]

Aside from justice I simply can not see any reason to penalize a play style. I mean really lets make a game where certain play styles get limited to a 10th of the game content! Whose smoking what here?

That said there is a big group of pvpers who think about a red name as a sign of skill or just think its kool. I say sure let them have some kind of "status" as a pvper and a successful one but dont limit the game based on play style!

 

[Picus at the office]

I was talking to some guildmates yesterday about the decay of justice and how annoying it was when the topic of murder came up. Upon reviewing a char that I play near daily in faction fighting and whom I suspect has racked up hundreds of seperate kills I have still not recieved Knight yet being three dots short, this guy is two years old.

There are a very few limited true Red chars left roaming the lands due to a few reasons but mostly, IMO, pardons. No longer do you need a dedicated char to swallow up kills but you really need a treasure hunter to play once a week farming T-Hunts or gold to buy the pardons out right. So many people are scared to make such a char while finding it a "waste" of space/money/resources but you can tell the effect this has in thier pvp quality.

Just a thought I had last night while rolling blues and taking spawns, thanks for the leet lootz. (even funnier was one raid I managed to go to the wrong champ and two of my guild mates rolled 4 blue gate huggers in the time it took me to get from Tortise to Damwin)