Can we have some basic maintenance?

[Mirt]

I would imagine the legalese would be the expensive part and the reason it would get squashed. It would get to the stage of asking the suits and the lawyers and thats where it would get quashed. Ask the lawyers to review the document it should be covered by retainer.

 

[Ned888]

I would imagine the legalese would be the expensive part and the reason it would get squashed. It would get to the stage of asking the suits and the lawyers and thats where it would get quashed. Ask the lawyers to review the document it should be covered by retainer.

EA has staff lawyers and form NDA's that they could use. Every company of mid to large size does. That's no biggie for them. I firmly believe it's getting volunteers and then training and deploying them that would require the most effort.

 

[Mirt]

You would be amazed. Do you remember the whole Seer debacle?

 

[Shiznit Bo'Bourbon]

The grapevines pictured in the OP are now gone as of today, anyone else notice any other changes? I wonder if someone saw this thread and deleted them specifically.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

Some people sell those as deco... maybe someone took notice and "picked" them ... ?

 

[MalagAste]

I've tried to volunteer to do it too Ned.

I'd be willing to spend a few hours on my day off clearing up the clutter. I just need to be given the powers from above.

There are so many cannons littering the sea it's hard to get where you want to go anymore.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

EA has staff lawyers and form NDA's that they could use. Every company of mid to large size does. That's no biggie for them. I firmly believe it's getting volunteers and then training and deploying them that would require the most effort.

You would be amazed. Do you remember the whole Seer debacle?

There are serious strictures against 'For Profit' companies having volunteers.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

I have studied those strictures in detail... they are anything but serious.

They are a lazy piece of mumbo jumbo... and when I say lazy, I mean LAZY.

the court class actions were only a smokescreen...

 

[Ned888]

There are serious strictures against 'For Profit' companies having volunteers.

If it would make them feel better, they could pay me. 10 GP per delete....

Actually, now that I think about it, which the amount of clutter I've seen, I could have one rich toon!

 

[Shiznit Bo'Bourbon]

Some people sell those as deco... maybe someone took notice and "picked" them ... ?

If one could just pick them up and walk away with them, WHY WOULD I SCREENSHOT THEM AND MAKE A THREAD ASKING FOR THEM TO BE REMOVED?

 

[Ned888]

If one could just pick them up and walk away with them, WHY WOULD I SCREENSHOT THEM AND MAKE A THREAD ASKING FOR THEM TO BE REMOVED?

Sarcasm is not easily conveyed on the message boards....

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

ok this is going to sound pretty direct but since your name is Shiznit I don't really feel responsible :

maybe you don't know how to remove them... and other people are more brillant than you ?

Just like the server birth rares, the only way was to steal them... they never decayed otherwise I dunno, I think they're ugly if you ask me... why didn't they put more foliage or raisins on there anyways, and why would it spawn in the middle of the road ?

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

To remove a lot of this stuff they could just have us the players find them and have a small GM team work some OT to delete it as we find it. Shard by shard. It would probably be pretty cheap.

I used to call the GM to remove things in the game that I came across that shouldn't be there. Someone removed them .. parrots/water troughs/vines/pictures/ect .. but that was before the account migration.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

those I seen sold as decos were pretty cheap... didn't look rare at all.

 

[Shiznit Bo'Bourbon]

ok this is going to sound pretty direct but since your name is Shiznit I don't really feel responsible :

maybe you don't know how to remove them... and other people are more brillant than you ?

Just like the server birth rares, the only way was to steal them... they never decayed otherwise I dunno, I think they're ugly if you ask me... why didn't they put more foliage or raisins on there anyways, and why would it spawn in the middle of the road ?

They were map tiles, not objects, didn't highlight, didn't have names, and sat there in the middle of a high-traffic path between Haven bank and the public moongate for weeks before finally disappearing. They first appeared on the same night that the guards went berserk and repeatedly killed all the skill trainers in Haven, which itself took place at the height of the problems brought on by the billing transition disaster. They were some sort of server glitch, not a stealable rare that spawned in the middle of the road for no goddamn reason, and no a player didn't remove them.

But thanks for being a ****ing bonehead.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

you did it first by assuming there wasn't another logical explantion... not fun to be done what we do unto others is it...

 

[Ultimaholic]

Its always the same ppl whinning about the same petty things. Much ado about nothing.

QQ more plz.

 

[Ned888]

Its always the same ppl whinning about the same petty things. Much ado about nothing.

QQ more plz.

Stay tuned, we're working on it!

 

[Mirt]

I still do page if its an issue or I have time. The big thing is really the responce time. Some nights I just can't wait the required amount of time.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

Ok so shiznit does not lack luster, he lacks patience...

hehehe

 

[Follower of FSM]

Stay tuned, we're working on it!

rofl what a great reply!

 

[Conrad]

Tottaly agree Shiznit !


And...not a dev´s job,but automap is broken UoCartographer is fine,but how long it works ?
The Classic Client need´s a official map.

I know this is probably getting old, but try the Enhanced Client. The integrated map alone is worth the shift over, IMHO. It works far better then UOAutomap and Cartographer in almost every way. And, most importantly, it is being maintained while UOAM and Cartographer are not. I still use the Classic client for some purposes, but actually playing the game is far easier and more enjoyable now that I have switched. Something as simple as the map suddenly showing the locations of all nearby Wandering Healers when you die, as well as all of your corpses, is just priceless when you first encounter it. Neither UOAM or Cartographer will ever show that because they do not have the same server parsing access that the production clients do. I even share interface files with a friend (and with other chars on my own accounts) so that we have the exact same interfaces, macroes and hotkeys. EVERYTHING is shared with that one file, including game settings.

Another point is that much of the Enhanced Client artwork, like your backpack and other containers, can be switched back to the legacy Classic Client style--your backpack will look just like it does in the Classic Client instead of all of those huge item "slots" (just not very feasible in UO, unless you like scrolling alot).

In conjunction with Pinco's UI mod, you pretty much get what you need, including gump scaling and and nice little additions like an Imbuing calculator built right into the game. Too many to list, really.

Initially, after returning from an extended hiatus from UO, I resisted switching to the Enhanced client primarily because I didn't like the new look. That has changed for me now that I am starting to notice all the new animations and artwork. It looks a lot better then the hodgepodge of art styles that the Classic client now consists of (both classic UO artwork and newer 3d client artwork--they really don't mix well).

The more I use the Enhanced client, the more I realize that most of what we have all been asking for, in terms of an interface, has been given to us...just not in the Classic Client.

 

[LadyNico]

I know this is probably getting old, but try the Enhanced Client.

No. Just fix it.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Yeah I've been noticing the crap piling up so to speak. I have tried paging a GM and waiting the horredous wait time.

What I got was GM Attitude Problem, informing me that he wasn't allowed to do that and giving me that link to the NO Knowledge bas explaining the role of a GameMaster.

Personally between the account migration FUBAR and stuff in game starting to break maybe its time we "OCCUPY EA!" Seriously, we could include our disgrutled War and DAOC brethen. I think between the three games we'd have enough people to Occupy Rewood City Corporate, Bioware-Mythic VA and the Customer NO support center in Austin.

What do ya say? Shall we start packing our tents, laptops, and sleepingbags?


I SAY OCCUPY EA!

 

[Conrad]

No. Just fix it.

They did, with a new client. You're just refusing to acknowledge it by clinging to the past. Why should they invest as much effort into an out-dated client as they do the client that actually already has those upgrades that everyone asked for?

I don't think you understand what a mess the old legacy code is. It was far easier to start from scratch then to fix what was inherently broken. It's 14 year old code, for Pete's sake.

Several people I have talked to in-game about the EC stated that they "tried it years ago...", much like I did...during the 3D Client beta, and thus apply their experience back then to what they expect the current EC to be. The problem with this is that there is no comparison--the original 3D client sucked so bad it was un-playable, but the Enhanced Client is completely different and a complete contrast to what I was expecting.

To be honest, I think that most people that cling to the old client do so more because they can still run scripts with it, seeing as you cannot with the Enhanced Client. But, I don't think too many people will be honest about such things in this forum, so the Enhanced client gets badmouthed for some other reason, bad artwork, resource hog, blah, blah...when most of that is untrue.

Ask Pinco--I'm sure he'll agree.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

She means fix the EC ... lol...

gives many the motion sickness too...

 

[Ned888]

I use the EC on a very new (about a week old) system with a very nice graphics card. It skips frequently and loads tiles slowly, especially player houses/castles.... It's still got a long way to go and I'm not certain that the artwork that GrimmOmen is working on is going to solve any of the problems.... It's in the code and that's going to take some very hard work to fix.

That being said, I do use it....

 

[Zosimus]

I use the EC on a very new (about a week old) system with a very nice graphics card. It skips frequently and loads tiles slowly, especially player houses/castles.... It's still got a long way to go and I'm not certain that the artwork that GrimmOmen is working on is going to solve any of the problems.... It's in the code and that's going to take some very hard work to fix.

That being said, I do use it....

I agree Ned.

Problems I have with both clients

1) I love the features and "some" of the art work in the EC but I have the same issue as you. The skipping bothers me to no end.

2) The CC issue I have is lag at major EM events. That never made sense to me why I lagged at UO.

My thoughts on the above

1) Some of the EC graphics are just plain block looking to me. Then I be running around and the skipping begins. I say it has to be a graphics issue that is causes it.

2) I play plenty of games with higher end graphics and larger populations. Let alone I am in a guild with 3972 actual members in one game. We do huge PvP battles. Never do I lag at these huge battles. I am actually flying like I'm on some super speed as fast as I am. I can be spinning my camera view all around or above while fighting and watching the surrounding area for other targets at the same time. I could make a person sick by how much I spin my camera view I been told lol.

Let me play UO at an EM event with about 100 people around and the lag hits. The actual secret is to "dumb down" your newer computer to make UO actually work better for you. Truthfully that works in most areas of the game but go to an EM event and I hit a wall. Just like the old graphics become a slow zone. I shouldn't have to go to those measures when higher end graphic games and population does not cause me those issues.

 

[Ludes]

The cannons floating on top of the water everywhere where the new ships have sunk is kind of rediculous.
Telling the npc on a ship to start tracking and have 99% of the arrows direct me to someones house because they have a ship locked down is also stupid.
You would think something that cost more like High Seas would have been worked on a little more.

I've been paging on the cannons as I find them.. Catskills has almost none now.

 

[Shiznit Bo'Bourbon]

I'll use the EC as soon as it quits chugging on my perfectly good PC that plays more demanding games just fine. It needs optimized badly.

 

[MalagAste]

I don't have problems with the EC infact it runs FAR better on my system than the old 2d client.

You need to adjust a few things.... turn off some of the sillyness like the trees moving and stuff like that...

Set the settings right for your machine and you will see the difference...

Remember you can't just load the EC and expect perfection... you need to "tweak" it to your needs.

Also adding Pinco's UI and adapting the settings to your likings will make a world of difference.... you can't just put it on and expect it to be great... Great things take time.


YOu will need time to adapt to the talking system as well or you will find yourself with magical turrets syndrome...

The abilities of the macro system in the EC are Far greater than you can imagine.

Because the chat and talking settings are different you have a much wider use of your keyboard for macro's and spells.

Also unlike 2d where when using my speedpad I have to set each character individually with their own macro settings... with the EC I can set one base template to my speedpad and use it on every character I have never having to mess with switching my settings.

Changing a macro setting is also a snap.

I think most folk who claim to have tried the EC either didn't give it enough time or failed to put in any effort. They don't really want to try it... They assume it will work fine from the get go.

You know it took you 14 years to get your settings perfect in 2d... it's not going to be overnight you learn the EC.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

That sounds great in theory Malagaste... but you need to take all points into account if you want to defend the EC...

There is no reason my machine can run a full 3D game with 400 people on screen without any slowing down and that I have to turn the settings down on a 2D game with noone on the screen...

You're actually lucky to have it runnign fine on your computer...

 

[Ludes]

I don't have problems with the EC infact it runs FAR better on my system than the old 2d client.

You need to adjust a few things.... turn off some of the sillyness like the trees moving and stuff like that...

Set the settings right for your machine and you will see the difference...

Remember you can't just load the EC and expect perfection... you need to "tweak" it to your needs.

Also adding Pinco's UI and adapting the settings to your likings will make a world of difference.... you can't just put it on and expect it to be great... Great things take time.


YOu will need time to adapt to the talking system as well or you will find yourself with magical turrets syndrome...

The abilities of the macro system in the EC are Far greater than you can imagine.

Because the chat and talking settings are different you have a much wider use of your keyboard for macro's and spells.

Also unlike 2d where when using my speedpad I have to set each character individually with their own macro settings... with the EC I can set one base template to my speedpad and use it on every character I have never having to mess with switching my settings.

Changing a macro setting is also a snap.

I think most folk who claim to have tried the EC either didn't give it enough time or failed to put in any effort. They don't really want to try it... They assume it will work fine from the get go.

You know it took you 14 years to get your settings perfect in 2d... it's not going to be overnight you learn the EC.

I agree.. It's running pretty good on both my computers these days.

 

[Ned888]

Can someone direct me to a 'tweek' post that is of value then? I tried the stuff on the EC client threads....

I bought my system to meet the max settings run Skyrim and Neverwinter when they come out.... If you are telling me that I can't just plug in the EC and have it work when those games do it no problemo, then there is something wrong.

I should be tweeking my macros and personal settings, not laboring over how the trees move or going into code lines to set resolutions manually.

That is a huge problem.

 

[LadyNico]

No. Just fix it.

They did, with a new client. You're just refusing to acknowledge it by clinging to the past. Why should they invest as much effort into an out-dated client as they do the client that actually already has those upgrades that everyone asked for?

I don't think you understand what a mess the old legacy code is. It was far easier to start from scratch then to fix what was inherently broken. It's 14 year old code, for Pete's sake.

Several people I have talked to in-game about the EC stated that they "tried it years ago...", much like I did...during the 3D Client beta, and thus apply their experience back then to what they expect the current EC to be. The problem with this is that there is no comparison--the original 3D client sucked so bad it was un-playable, but the Enhanced Client is completely different and a complete contrast to what I was expecting.

To be honest, I think that most people that cling to the old client do so more because they can still run scripts with it, seeing as you cannot with the Enhanced Client. But, I don't think too many people will be honest about such things in this forum, so the Enhanced client gets badmouthed for some other reason, bad artwork, resource hog, blah, blah...when most of that is untrue.

Ask Pinco--I'm sure he'll agree.

For the avoidance of any doubt, I am not remotely interested in your opinion about my choice of client, Conrad.

To the OP and to whatever remains of our beloved, over-worked & underpaid Dev Team, do what you will with the EC. I would, however, deeply appreciate the glitches caused by the creation of the Enhanced Client being remedied in the Classic Client. Some of these are listed in the opening post.