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[Merus]

i would beg to differ, but dont want a huge philosophical arguement.

example:
you have an unlicensed concealed, illegal firearm on you. but you dont do anything with it. your breaking the law but most likely nothing will happen.
Now if you use that illegal gun for anything, your much much more likely to be charged.

Same thing for drugs / alcohol.
Police dont go around random drug testing people off the street (they do occasionally for alcohol checkpoints tho), outcomes determine if those drugs (or alcohol)

First thing that happens when a workplace accident, death, car accident, etc etc occurs is they check for drugs / alcohol (something that is hardly ever checked for if there nothing that occurred.

its same thing for the game.

you do something technically illegal (afk banksitting) but nothing comes about from it. nothings gonna happen.
you do this while in a dungeon, with high possibility someone will report you and youll be observed by a GM, much better chance youll be given a mark on your account.

I think the part of your examples I disagree with is the "getting caught" part. You're right, if no one sees you with the illegal concealed firearm, nothing will happen. But if you get caught with it, you're likely to at least get a citation.
The AFK guys in the dungeon are functionally doing the same thing as the AFK bank sitter... They have just added some risk/reward to their situation by virtue of the location they choose. Neither AFK player really affects anyone else's ability to play. It comes down to someone feeling slighted because someone else reaped a reward that they feel they didn't actually earn. (Whole different discussion). But in reality we have all these complaints about how people farm items in blackthorns... We have to change the ability to hide there, we have to change stealthing, we need telestorming, we have the constant complaint about people "taking their spot"... When if they would just fix the mechanic that keeps them logged in none of that would be necessary because after a couple minutes AFK they would time out and disappear. But no, we need that feature so people can bank sit AFK for hours.

 

[Smoot]

Neither AFK player really affects anyone else's ability to play. .

well, thats where the outcomes are different. the afk person getting arties in blackthorns Does effect others ability to play. the amount of afk farmed blackthorns flood the market, making them not valuable and not worth the time for many players to farm themselves thru normal, attended gameplay

afk banksitters dont effect anything, so no real reason to stop that.

 

[Merus]

well, thats where the outcomes are different. the afk person getting arties in blackthorns Does effect others ability to play. the amount of afk farmed blackthorns flood the market, making them not valuable and not worth the time for many players to farm themselves thru normal, attended gameplay

afk banksitters dont effect anything, so no real reason to stop that.

And that is where we get back to situational ethics... Both players have circumvented the auto-timeout function of UO in exactly the same way... Exactly. There are benefits to AFK bank sitting, burning off murder counts is an example... Does that not devalue the worth of forged pardons? What about server load (ok I know that's a stretch with the number of players we have nowadays). Many just do not perceive the value the same as a tangible reward... But even if there was no value at all in bank sitting AFK for hours. My position would be the same. Using a game mechanic to circumvent something in UO to remain active against the ROC is just that, regardless of where it is done. If we (the devs) had dealt with it when it was just bank sitters we wouldn't be having this discussion about it in blackthorns.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Standing AFK in Luna, not doing anything, isn't against the rules.

Standing AFK in Luna, running a script training a skill, is against the rules.

Standing AFK in a dungeon, autodefending against mobs, is against the rules as you are performing an action while unattended.

Glad to see someone understands the meaning of the word PERFORM unlike some people.

@Smoot be careful because some people do not know what "PERFORM" means, no matter how it happens.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Does anybody remember when and why Auto Log-off was put in and no it had nothing to do with scripting and yes I was there when it happened.

 

[Merus]

Glad to see someone understands the meaning of the word PERFORM unlike some people.

@Smoot be careful because some people do not know what "PERFORM" means, no matter how it happens.

I actually laughed out loud at this post... You do realize that in order to stay logged in at Luna your character is, without any initiated action by you as the player, PERFORMING an action right?? If the character didn't PERFORM this action you would in fact time out. This is the same action the AFK person in the dungeon is PERFORMING in order to stay logged in as well... And it isn't the auto-defend.

Absolutely hilarious!

 

[Lord Frodo]

Situation: Player is standing AFK anywhere in UO and Auto logging is not logging the player off.
Question: Is your character performing a skill, text or action, no matter how that skill, text or action is performed?
Answer: NO, then no GM action required as rule #6 was not violated.
Answer: YES, then you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you because you performed a skill, text or action and if unattended you are in violation of rule #6.

Why is something so simple so hard to understand for some people or are they trying to convince us that there form of cheating is different than other forms and should be considered OK.

 

[Merus]

Situation: Player is standing AFK anywhere in UO and Auto logging is not logging the player off.
Question: Is your character performing a skill, text or action, no matter how that skill, text or action is performed?
Answer: NO, then no GM action required as rule #6 was not violated.
Answer: YES, then you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you because you performed a skill, text or action and if unattended you are in violation of rule #6.

Why is something so simple so hard to understand for some people or are they trying to convince us that there form of cheating is different than other forms and should be considered OK.

If you don't timeout the answer to your question is yes... Your character is performing an action (even if you don't realize what it is).

 

[Merus]

Haven't you ever wonder why sometimes you timeout and sometimes you don't? Do you think it's random? I mean that as a serious question... Why do you think it varies?

 

[Lord Frodo]

I actually laughed out loud at this post... You do realize that in order to stay logged in at Luna your character is, without any initiated action by you as the player, PERFORMING an action right?? If the character didn't PERFORM this action you would in fact time out. This is the same action the AFK person in the dungeon is PERFORMING in order to stay logged in as well... And it isn't the auto-defend.

Absolutely hilarious!

And when will you understand that not auto logging in itself is not against the rules but doing an action like auto defend while AFK is. See that is the part you are clueless about. Being anywhere in UO AFK and not auto logging is not a violation under the rule you yourself used. You truly need to use some basic english skills when reading a sentence. That is a comma not a period in that sentence so UO put a qualifier in there. Now why did they do that, UUMMMM, because you can lose conn in certain places and not auto log. Please refer to post #109 as I tried my best to make it as simple as possible for some people to understand.

 

[Merus]

And when will you understand that not auto logging in itself is not against the rules but doing an action like auto defend while AFK is. See that is the part you are clueless about. Being anywhere in UO AFK and not auto logging is not a violation under the rule you yourself used. You truly need to use some basic english skills when reading a sentence. That is a comma not a period in that sentence so UO put a qualifier in there. Now why did they do that, UUMMMM, because you can lose conn in certain places and not auto log. Please refer to post #109 as I tried my best to make it as simple as possible for some people to understand.

Unfortunately your understanding of why you don't auto-log is incomplete. There is a game mechanic directly related to why you stay logged in. It is an action your character "performs" just like auto-defend... Except that auto-defend will not actually keep you from timing out... the other action does... Your character is doing it anytime/any place where you don't actually time out. You don't have to believe me about it... Ask around... I'm positive I'm not the only one who knows what it is.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Unfortunately your understanding of why you don't auto-log is incomplete. There is a game mechanic directly related to why you stay logged in. It is an action your character "performs" just like auto-defend... Except that auto-defend will not actually keep you from timing out... the other action does... Your character is doing it anytime/any place where you don't actually time out. You don't have to believe me about it... Ask around... I'm positive I'm not the only one who knows what it is.

Do you even know why Auto-Log was put in UO, probably not. Do you understand that not Auto Logging in itself, no matter how you think it is done, is not a violation of the rules. See that is the part that YOU are so clueless about, just being AFK no matter where you are at IS NOT A VIOLATION. Once you understand that simple concept then maybe you will understand that using that ability in a dungeon to collect things is a violation. Not Auto Logging has been in UO longer than you realize and yes there are places in UO that you will not Auto Log, Luna is not the first but it is one of the most used and UO has known about this forever, even before the Dark Lady worked for UO, that is a long time. For some reason you want to justify that killing gold els in a dungeon is no different than standing in Luna so please use what ever reason you want to to do what ever you want to do in game. Understand this, that standing in Luna AFK doing nothing is not a bannable offence but killing els while AFK is a bannable offence so please if or when you get banned do not come here crying that you were banned for doing nothing, it is called exploiting a game mechanic which is what you are doing by killing Gold Els for the auto drop into your backpack. This discussion is ended and yes I know how and why you do not know Auto Log and I was also there when UO put it in and why they did it.

 

[Val'lyn De'ana]

I'm so glad we really don't have this issue on Siege. Not only does it get folks feathers ruffled, but this type of scripting leads to a trashed economy. For the most part, player justice rules on Siege and always has.

-Val'lyn

 

[Kayhynn]

I actually laughed out loud at this post... You do realize that in order to stay logged in at Luna your character is, without any initiated action by you as the player, PERFORMING an action right?? If the character didn't PERFORM this action you would in fact time out. This is the same action the AFK person in the dungeon is PERFORMING in order to stay logged in as well... And it isn't the auto-defend.

Absolutely hilarious!

I've paused in Luna before, went off to do something in the house, forgot I was logged into UO and came back 4 hours later and was still logged in because I was standing in Luna with players coming in and out of Luna and NPCs doing stuff.

Same has happened at my Castle on Ice Island. There's a polar bear spawn. If my character is paused in the room closest to the spawn and creatures keep coming in and out, I don't get logged out.

Your character doesn't have to do any action. All you have to have is something happening on screen to refresh your timer - most notably if you have your journal open and it updates, it will refresh your character.

So the AFK person in the dungeon isn't performing an action. Stuff is spawning and his journal is scrolling and his dragon is doing whatever....but as he is doing actions by saying ALL KILL he's performing an action and thus stays logged in.

 

[Merus]

Do you even know why Auto-Log was put in UO, probably not. Do you understand that not Auto Logging in itself, no matter how you think it is done, is not a violation of the rules. See that is the part that YOU are so clueless about, just being AFK no matter where you are at IS NOT A VIOLATION. Once you understand that simple concept then maybe you will understand that using that ability in a dungeon to collect things is a violation. Not Auto Logging has been in UO longer than you realize and yes there are places in UO that you will not Auto Log, Luna is not the first but it is one of the most used and UO has known about this forever, even before the Dark Lady worked for UO, that is a long time. For some reason you want to justify that killing gold els in a dungeon is no different than standing in Luna so please use what ever reason you want to to do what ever you want to do in game. Understand this, that standing in Luna AFK doing nothing is not a bannable offence but killing els while AFK is a bannable offence so please if or when you get banned do not come here crying that you were banned for doing nothing, it is called exploiting a game mechanic which is what you are doing by killing Gold Els for the auto drop into your backpack. This discussion is ended and yes I know how and why you do not know Auto Log and I was also there when UO put it in and why they did it.

Based on your answer to the question about why you do/do not time out, it is clear to me that you do not understand the mechanic behind it. You simultaneously argue that a character performing an automated action while afk (auto-defend) breaks the "active" rule in the ROC, while automatically performing the action to keep yourself from timing out does not. This I disagree with. The really funny part of it, is that without the automated action to stay logged in, the AFK guy in the dungeon would in fact time out even if he kept auto-defending... and there would be no issue in the dungeon to deal with.

Here would be a question for you though... you leave your character AFK at Luna bank... according to you, not performing any action and thus you are not breaking the ROC (again, according to you). After an hour or so of you being AFK, a guildy of yours runs through Luna bank... Just to have a little fun, they run up and flag you... and low and behold, you auto-defend... Have you now broken the ROC?

Last of all, no-where in any of my posts have I advocated for being AFK for any activity. I have openly admitted that I take advantage of the auto-defend mechanic while I am attended, which does not break any ROC or TOS. I can heal my character when needed, I can respond to a GM if needed. Furthermore, I do not leave my characters AFK to bank sit either. I have no worries about getting banned.

 

[Merus]

I've paused in Luna before, went off to do something in the house, forgot I was logged into UO and came back 4 hours later and was still logged in because I was standing in Luna with players coming in and out of Luna and NPCs doing stuff.

Same has happened at my Castle on Ice Island. There's a polar bear spawn. If my character is paused in the room closest to the spawn and creatures keep coming in and out, I don't get logged out.

Your character doesn't have to do any action. All you have to have is something happening on screen to refresh your timer - most notably if you have your journal open and it updates, it will refresh your character.

So the AFK person in the dungeon isn't performing an action. Stuff is spawning and his journal is scrolling and his dragon is doing whatever....but as he is doing actions by saying ALL KILL he's performing an action and thus stays logged in.

But what if he didnt say all kill... what if he just stood there AFK, just like anyone else who is AFK? He is still going to stay logged in.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Based on your answer to the question about why you do/do not time out, it is clear to me that you do not understand the mechanic behind it. You simultaneously argue that a character performing an automated action while afk (auto-defend) breaks the "active" rule in the ROC, while automatically performing the action to keep yourself from timing out does not. This I disagree with. The really funny part of it, is that without the automated action to stay logged in, the AFK guy in the dungeon would in fact time out even if he kept auto-defending... and there would be no issue in the dungeon to deal with.

Here would be a question for you though... you leave your character AFK at Luna bank... according to you, not performing any action and thus you are not breaking the ROC (again, according to you). After an hour or so of you being AFK, a guildy of yours runs through Luna bank... Just to have a little fun, they run up and flag you... and low and behold, you auto-defend... Have you now broken the ROC?

Last of all, no-where in any of my posts have I advocated for being AFK for any activity. I have openly admitted that I take advantage of the auto-defend mechanic while I am attended, which does not break any ROC or TOS. I can heal my character when needed, I can respond to a GM if needed. Furthermore, I do not leave my characters AFK to bank sit either. I have no worries about getting banned.

Is anybody home. KNOCK KNOCK You in there. Do you understand that not Auto Logging in itself, no matter how you think it is done, is not a violation of the rules. See that is the part that YOU are so clueless about, just being AFK no matter where you are at IS NOT A VIOLATION. END OF SUBJECT GET A CLUE. Go justify your cheating somewhere else.

 

[Merus]

Is anybody home. KNOCK KNOCK You in there. Do you understand that not Auto Logging in itself, no matter how you think it is done, is not a violation of the rules. See that is the part that YOU are so clueless about, just being AFK no matter where you are at IS NOT A VIOLATION. END OF SUBJECT GET A CLUE. Go justify your cheating somewhere else.

Clearly your lack of understanding and inability to logically answer questions has me outmatched. I knew early on it wasn't worth the effort to try and help you see the flaw in your position, so I will just quit trying.

 

[Smoot]

philosophical / technical arguments aside, you sit afk in luna, you wont get paged on and a GM wont jail you. (yes, its very convenient to stealthily and illegal train "invisible" skills like anatomy)
you sit afk killing spawn (or auto-attacking a wolf spider), someones gonna page on you eventually, and if you dont respond to the GM he'll take you to UO jail.

simple as that

 

[Kojak]

show incoming names keeps you logged in

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Merus- You need to grow up and realize that the world is not black or white, it is in fact a rainbow of shades of grey.

I pray to GOD you never sit on a jury. While the same out come may happen in 3 situations, they aren't all guilty of the same CRIME.

Okay you say all AFK people are guilty of breaking the rules and thus should be banned. I say the GM should judge each instance separately ...Shades of GREY.

Case 1: AFK Person sitting at Luna, just sitting.
No gain, no foul, no harm. GM should either warn or let it slide.

Case 2: AFK person sitting at Luna bank working skill beating a cat.
Gain- Yes,Gaining skill, Foul- yes possible use of illegal 3rd party program and pissing off everyone in Luna.(ROWR-THUMP) Harm- yes as many of these are RTMers that take money to skill up a char. GM should investigate, if illegal programs are used ban, otherwise 72 hr for first offense and so forth. If third offense, ban.

Case 3: AFK Person in dungeon using dragon to kill spawn auto yelling all kill and casting healing even when dragon IS NOT damaged. Gain- yes farming gold, arties, etc. Foul- YES use of 3rd party program, monopoly of dungeon. Harm-Yes!!! Again many of these engage in RMT transactions selling items, gold, etc. GM should ban, period.

In your black or white world its, ban `em all and let the Gods sort `em out.

Real life is many shades of grey.

To compare and contrast here are three cases with the same out come, a person was killed. Are the people involved guilty of murder.....Well let's see.

Case 1: Prisoner escapes from jail, goes to a home, enters the home, stabs the home owner 68 times killing him, and then steals money, car and a cellphone. Is this guy guilt of murder....the DA, and judge said yes. However the perp did not stand trial as he was offered a deal, plead guilty and life in prison without parole. He took the deal.

Case 2: A father discovers a man raping his 5 yr old daughter. The father beats the rapist to death. Is he guilt of murder? A Texas grand jury, his neighbors, law enforcement all said NO! In fact Texas law says that if a person kills a perp protecting a third party it is justifiable homicide. Only reason it went to the grand jury is some bleeding heart piece of crap screamed what about the rapist's rights.

Case 3: A soldier at war kills an enemy soldier. Is he guilty of murder? I would say no. There are those that would say yes. In the eyes of the law, no. (This was a question posed in Intro to Psychology class, and NO ONE could find a definitive answer because the answer changes depending on who's POV you are looking from)

Merus in your black or white world you would condemn all of these as murderers. You would subject them to the same punishment because the end was the same a person was killed. Yet every situation is different.

Merus life is not black or white. Nothing is. Life is shades of grey. Unfortunately you just can't judge everything black or white.

 

[Merus]

Merus- You need to grow up and realize that the world is not black or white, it is in fact a rainbow of shades of grey.

I pray to GOD you never sit on a jury. While the same out come may happen in 3 situations, they aren't all guilty of the same CRIME.

Okay you say all AFK people are guilty of breaking the rules and thus should be banned. I say the GM should judge each instance separately ...Shades of GREY.

Case 1: AFK Person sitting at Luna, just sitting.
No gain, no foul, no harm. GM should either warn or let it slide.

Case 2: AFK person sitting at Luna bank working skill beating a cat.
Gain- Yes,Gaining skill, Foul- yes possible use of illegal 3rd party program and pissing off everyone in Luna.(ROWR-THUMP) Harm- yes as many of these are RTMers that take money to skill up a char. GM should investigate, if illegal programs are used ban, otherwise 72 hr for first offense and so forth. If third offense, ban.

Case 3: AFK Person in dungeon using dragon to kill spawn auto yelling all kill and casting healing even when dragon IS NOT damaged. Gain- yes farming gold, arties, etc. Foul- YES use of 3rd party program, monopoly of dungeon. Harm-Yes!!! Again many of these engage in RMT transactions selling items, gold, etc. GM should ban, period.

In your black or white world its, ban `em all and let the Gods sort `em out.

Real life is many shades of grey.

To compare and contrast here are three cases with the same out come, a person was killed. Are the people involved guilty of murder.....Well let's see.

Case 1: Prisoner escapes from jail, goes to a home, enters the home, stabs the home owner 68 times killing him, and then steals money, car and a cellphone. Is this guy guilt of murder....the DA, and judge said yes. However the perp did not stand trial as he was offered a deal, plead guilty and life in prison without parole. He took the deal.

Case 2: A father discovers a man raping his 5 yr old daughter. The father beats the rapist to death. Is he guilt of murder? A Texas grand jury, his neighbors, law enforcement all said NO! In fact Texas law says that if a person kills a perp protecting a third party it is justifiable homicide. Only reason it went to the grand jury is some bleeding heart piece of crap screamed what about the rapist's rights.

Case 3: A soldier at war kills an enemy soldier. Is he guilty of murder? I would say no. There are those that would say yes. In the eyes of the law, no. (This was a question posed in Intro to Psychology class, and NO ONE could find a definitive answer because the answer changes depending on who's POV you are looking from)

Merus in your black or white world you would condemn all of these as murderers. You would subject them to the same punishment because the end was the same a person was killed. Yet every situation is different.

Merus life is not black or white. Nothing is. Life is shades of grey. Unfortunately you just can't judge everything black or white.

Actually my solution has nothing to do with banning anyone (and you will see that if you read my previous posts in this thread)... my solution would be to fix the mechanic whereby they can stay logged in while afk. Then we don't have to worry about them bank sitting or dungeon sitting... It would be a very easy fix in fact. Once you understand why they stay logged in, all you have to do is make that action one that does not reset the inactive timer. The problem with that idea is it would seem some are VERY attached to the ability to sit AFK at the bank.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Actually my solution has nothing to do with banning anyone (and you will see that if you read my previous posts in this thread)... my solution would be to fix the mechanic whereby they can stay logged in while afk.

Those mechanics have been in the game from almost day one when they put in Auto Log out from people losing conn on dial up and you think your epiphany of I got a secret whatever matters one iota. The Devs have known this for 18 years and have never banned one person for just being AFK so get a clue it is not a bannable offence, the Devs know it and allow it. You can stand in Luna bank completely naked, have nothing open and do absolutely nothing and still stay logged in. OMG that is such a big secret everybody the system is keeping you logged in OMG the world is ending. LMAO

 

[Dot_Warner]

show incoming names keeps you logged in

*runs off to post this exploit to Dr. Twister's*

 

[The Craftsman]

I disagree... Governments may look at different scenarios and define some as legal and some as not... But rarely do they define something as illegal then decide to ignore some who break the law simply based on the outcome... Does it happen? Sure... But I would oppose it in the real world too.

You hear this same line of thinking about scripting too... Well it's ok to script if you're just training skills, but not to cheat in pvp... Or it's ok to script loot because the EC can do it... It goes round and round...

The rules have been made and IMO selective enforcement of them has just led to more bold and brash flaunting of them. As I said before, the game has an automatic feature to detect inactive accounts and time them out. People figured out a way around that in order to remain active... And nothing was done. You can find people on virtually every shard opening sitting AFK while the character remains active and nothing gets done. Now people have taken that same mechanic and figured out how to use it in other places. No 3rd party programs, no batteries on keyboards, just straight up AFK, just like they do in Luna... It isn't fighting the monster that keeps them logged in! Just fighting the monster they would still time out. I say fix the mechanic that lets ALL of them be AFK. But obviously we have some folks that are very attached to their AFK time in Luna.

Its a game FFS. Stop taking it all so seriously. Anyone AFK at Luna is not spoiling the enjoyment of the game for others. If its against the ToS then so what ... no harm done and this game has far far deeper problems to worry about. Players going AFK in Dungeons to exploit game mechanics which in turn spoils the game for others is a different ball game altogether. To treat the two as identical due to them both technically being a breach of the ToS, whilst true, is pedantic at best. Thats like saying parking illegally should be treated with the same level of enforcement as mass murder. Whilst technically true, as they are both illegal, one isnt worth worrying about to any great degree whilst the other one certainly is.

 

[Merus]

Its a game FFS. Stop taking it all so seriously. Anyone AFK at Luna is not spoiling the enjoyment of the game for others. If its against the ToS then so what ... no harm done and this game has far far deeper problems to worry about. Players going AFK in Dungeons to exploit game mechanics which in turn spoils the game for others is a different ball game altogether. To treat the two as identical due to them both technically being a breach of the ToS, whilst true, is pedantic at best. Thats like saying parking illegally should be treated with the same level of enforcement as mass murder. Whilst technically true, as they are both illegal, one isnt worth worrying about to any great degree whilst the other one certainly is.

You all are funny. No where did I say they were the same, I said they are using the same mechanic to circumvent the auto-time out. People get all bent over the auto-defend mechanic (which incidentally Frodo has been part of UO since the beginning) when it isn't the auto-defend function that causes the issue. Think of it like this:

Major complaint I hear about blackthorns is that people park a character (usually a sampire or tamer variant) in the dungeon and go AFK. Occasionally you'll see a complaint about some other template that is using a 3rd party program, but those are fewer because it really isn't needed. This has been going on since day one of blackthorns.

So how does leaving a character AFK in blackthorns allow someone to farm artis for hours on end? It is because they don't time out. An inactive character *should* timeout after a few minutes. This is evident in the fact that you get a warning that you have been inactive for too long. Frodo is right, the ability to circumvent that timer has been around for a very long time and nothing has ever been done about it. Now we can have a very technical discussion, but in my opinion both the "you see" and the "auto-defend" responses from a character fall into the same category of "action". Both actions require no interaction from the player to be performed by the character. Yet some what to draw a distinction, not only in whether one constitutes being "active" according to rule 6 of the ROC, but that the action is also subject to a location criteria... (Auto-defend would be against the rules if performed in a dungeon but not in Luna bank). IMO auto-defend does not violate the ROC, because you can auto-defend against anything/anywhere and still timeout for inactivity... UO does not recognize the reaction of auto-defend as something that would reset the timer. I believe that to be the case regardless of location (see my example of begging flagged by a guildie while AFK in Luna).

This brings us back to the reason that you can farm in blackthorns for hours on end is because you don't time out.
So how do you deal with the AFK people in blackthorns (or any other place)? Fix the "you see" action so that it doesn't reset the timer. IMO it should have been fixed ALONG time ago, but people's attitude was "well they are just using it at the bank, so it's ok". Players deliberately come to Luna to use that action rather than going AFK in their house where they might time out and it has been ignored, but IMO it was still done as a deliberate act to circumvent the timeout function of the game. If it had been fixed (and I mean fixed in UO, not people being banned for it) we would not be having all these issues in blackthorns. It should be a fairly easy thing to fix and would put an end 95% of the AFK farming done in blackthorns... Yet some seem up in arms because they wouldn't be able to AFK at Luna anymore (which they shouldn't have ever been able to do in the first place).

 

[Kayhynn]

This brings us back to the reason that you can farm in blackthorns for hours on end is because you don't time out.
So how do you deal with the AFK people in blackthorns (or any other place)? Fix the "you see" action so that it doesn't reset the timer. IMO it should have been fixed ALONG time ago, but people's attitude was "well they are just using it at the bank, so it's ok". Players deliberately come to Luna to use that action rather than going AFK in their house where they might time out and it has been ignored, but IMO it was still done as a deliberate act to circumvent the timeout function of the game. If it had been fixed (and I mean fixed in UO, not people being banned for it) we would not be having all these issues in blackthorns. It should be a fairly easy thing to fix and would put an end 95% of the AFK farming done in blackthorns... Yet some seem up in arms because they wouldn't be able to AFK at Luna anymore (which they shouldn't have ever been able to do in the first place).

That works for the auto-defend thing - doesn't work for the current situation that is being discussed. All Kill, cast healing spell 3 seconds later, rinse repeat. An action is being taken. It resets the time each time the action is taken while the player can just run the script AFK. It's obvious they dont' care about the loot - they are just farming the drops.

 

[Merus]

That works for the auto-defend thing - doesn't work for the current situation that is being discussed. All Kill, cast healing spell 3 seconds later, rinse repeat. An action is being taken. It resets the time each time the action is taken while the player can just run the script AFK. It's obvious they dont' care about the loot - they are just farming the drops.

You are correct... So first thing you would have to prove (not assume) is that it is in fact an unapproved 3rd party program. The action described is easily set as a 1 key macro in either the EC or UOA (both of which are legal). I will tell you short of them being AFK, you can't do it. Of course we can logically conclude it is a script, I don't really want to go down the road of suspension or bans based on suspicion. I think that has a bad ending. So what you are left with is proving they are AFK. All you can do is page on them. I'm left to assume that approach has been tried, and the fact that he is still doing it for days would indicate either the GM never came or that he was able to respond.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the scripted, just pointing out that if he can respond to a GM, based on Mesannas own comments, they aren't going to do anything.

 

[DJAd]

In before the lock ;-)

 

[Victim of Siege]

And quit killin Zosimus' toons!! (whatever a toon is)

 

[The Craftsman]

You all are funny.

Whilst you, Captain Pedantic, are not in the least bit amusing.

 

[Deimos]

UO/EA has always been completely inept at dealing with scriptors.
At least when Draconi was around, something was done about the big time ones (Anyone remember their homes being destroyed and a scarecrow statue popping up in it's place? lol)
The sad part is, the same people (brokers etc) are always the ones who seem to exploit the system and have since the game was first launched.
If they haven't solved or done anything about it in 16 years? It'll never be remedied.
Their only way of dealing with it, is by implementing stupid changes like random ore and wood veins, which while punishing the scriptors, punishes the normal players more so.
Is it any wonder people find free shards attractive.

 

[TimberWolf]

Yes but back in Draconi's time...you would often be removed from luna if you were afk and taken to a place when you would auto log out. I use to burn counts all the time standing by the luna gate afk....I few times a week I would return to find my toon paged on and logged out in a woods some place. Mes has changed the rules and changed the way the game is played....I law isn't a law if it isn't enforced regularly!

 

[Zuckuss]

Using "show names of incoming creatures/players will keep you from logging out within a populated place. So will creating a macro to open your backpack every couple minutes. The first one I do not believe is traceable, the second one certainly is and I have heard of people getting an infraction for it. Also, after pvp fights occur, you will auto face your last attacker, meaning that even if in trammel, if the attacker comes nearby, you player will turn and face the person whom you were fighting in felucca minutes before. I have seen cases where this has been considered "performing an action" and action has been taken against the account.

In all of the above cases I do believe you are considered to be "performing an action" but two out of the three is done automatically via options or game mechanics.

 

[Lord Nabin]

*Steps into the tavern and brushes the dust off from the road..... picks up on the conversation in the rooms and heads back out the door*

Really?

Everytime we log in and play at some point every single one of us is AFK at one point or another.

The list or reasons could be endless

Time to put this one to bed.

 

[TimberWolf]

But to play the devils advocate I would say any player in luna burning counts 23 hrs a day unattended is in fact affecting my game play. By allowing that person to do that....it is no different then allowing someone to auto defend in a dungeon. Worse my toon auto defends in luna the same as it does in a dungeon....I have killed characters while afk...I have gotten gains while auto defending.

Now I admit I have burned plenty of murder counts afk in luna as I have in Fel to go from red to blue....so I am not criticizing those that do...I am simply pointing out if one is wrong...then so is the other.

Just another example of something broken in this game and another example of poor decisions being made by those in command....

 

[Crimson Hawk Moth]

then u would be the first person who admits that he will always push F2 after F1 no matter if it has a purpose or not. If I play my tamer, I heal my drag when it's necessary, and not because I can't control my fingers...

Come on, your whole argumentation is ridiculous. Do you own an account where we would find a char called "S...... the tamer"?

Personally if their is any red on my dragons hit bar its getting a heal. Even if its 1px worth of red, he gets a heal /shrug.

 

[Crimson Hawk Moth]

Sure you do. Try dragging a balron toward them from halfway across the dungeon. If they don't react, you know you've got a scripter. I mean face it, we all know what scripters look like, and these whiny posts about "Well what if it's just a normal person who farms in the same spot for 19 hours a day and never reacts to their environment!" are a joke that never convinces anyone of anything.

I thought leading mobs onto players in Tram is a form of grief and can get you banned ?

 

[Spock's Beard]

I thought leading mobs onto players in Tram is a form of grief and can get you banned ?

I don't care. I grief AFK farmers all the time and I get away with it.

 

[TimberWolf]

I don't care. I grief AFK farmers all the time and I get away with it.

with them gone...then he can afk farm!!! LOL
easy relax it was a joke......mostly!

 

[Victim of Siege]

with them gone...then he can afk farm!!! LOL
easy relax it was a joke......mostly!

I did not take it as a joke, I want you to know that you fractured my one remaining Stratics feeling . . .

 

[Rodge]

People in help today we're reporting being randomly teleported to other parts of the dungeon for staying in the gold ele room too long.

 

[Lord Frodo]

People in help today we're reporting being randomly teleported to other parts of the dungeon for staying in the gold ele room too long.

If this is true once again the active/non cheating players are punished and nothing is really done to the cheaters themselves. Is UO really hurting that bad for money? If they are being teleported then they should be teleported out of the dungeon into Brit and not some random spot in the dungeon.

 

[Fizzleton]

People in help today we're reporting being randomly teleported to other parts of the dungeon for staying in the gold ele room too long.

No, you will not get teleported if u actively play! Staying there and auto-defend and doing nothing else will get you teleported to a room that will fill with poisonous gas, so if u are not afk, hurry to escape ! Looting corpses will be considered active play, so no worries about being teleported.

This mechanic points also to the "tamer-scirpt", since healing your dragon - no matter if the dragon is hurt or not - will also being considered as "active play".

 

[Fizzleton]

Personally if their is any red on my dragons hit bar its getting a heal. Even if its 1px worth of red, he gets a heal /shrug.

Yeah, sure, I always pull my Greater Heal on my 950 hitpoint-Greater if her eyebrow was touched No man, you don't want to understand that it is a revolving habit, and the GH comes if the Greater is hit or completely healthy (the poor golden eles don't even hit the dragon, they just die...)

 

[TimberWolf]

People are screaming that standing in luna afk does nothing....but for many it does...it burns murder counts...that is why all the pvpers do it all day everyday. Then when they have burned off the count they stop.....then they start up again a few days or week later when they get another count. It takes 40 hrs of logged in time to burn one count. VVV made this slightly less onerous but not completely...because getting 10000 vvv points when no one does vvv is just as onerous. It is easier to stand in luna. Does it effect my game play...heck yes...it effects my game play more then the person farming gold eles.