Best Survivability outfit : what would it be ?

[Ailish]

You realize, of course, that the chances of a whole band of PK's coming across you while you are mining or LJing is about nil? In those activities you might see one person with nefarious intentions about every three days ....

 

[popps]

He messes up threads and clutters the forum with his "serious" posts where he whines about issue X.

Just wondering, is it possible to set other Stratics' posters on ignore if one did not want to read their posts ?

If it is, perhaps those who are so annoyed by my posts could just put me on their ignore list ?

Personally, if I had a problem with any poster because I did not like their posts that is what I would do, rather than talk about them and their posting style....

 

[popps]

I hope you haven't forgotten about the need to be able to push through, go around or otherwise avoid characters in Fel intent on boxing you in with their bodies or other stuff. Even your own pets have the ability to box you in if you aren't prepared for it.

What is that potion which restores one's own stamina, fully ? Total Refresh ?

That is why I am looking at the best tanking template capable of absorbing the most damage possible.
So to withstand the initial attack, drink a total refresh potion and run out of the "box", hide and stealth away assuming that the attackers are not using any hack that make stealthiers visible....

 

[Tina Small]

Just wondering, is it possible to set other Stratics' posters on ignore if one did not want to read their posts ?

If it is, perhaps those who are so annoyed by my posts could just put me on their ignore list ?

Personally, if I had a problem with any poster because I did not like their posts that is what I would do, rather than talk about them and their posting style....

You're a "Stratics Legend." Didn't anyone tell you one of the requirements for gaining that title is to grow a thick skin?

 

[popps]

You realize, of course, that the chances of a whole band of PK's coming across you while you are mining or LJing is about nil? In those activities you might see one person with nefarious intentions about every three days ....

Well, what if I feel like mining or chopping wood in areas where it could be more likely to find bands of PKillers ?

Then a highly survivable outfit could come very handy.......

But thank you.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

What do you mean in regen form one cannot heal ? Are you referring to the ninja dog/cat form ?

Not heal, recall. If you are in an Animal Form you can't recall.

Well, if I cross out recalling as too difficult to achieve in such a situation and focus on stealthing, than I assume the Elf would be better as they are less revealable when stealthing.

Wraith Form also gives an advantage to not getting revealed. (I don't know the specifics off the top of my head)

So, what I would need is enough tanking (ability to absorb as much damage as possible) to withstand the initial attack and have time to run away and hide/stealth and move my way out of the area.

No, the best best it just to hit recall straight away. While Mining you are on foot, the only way to run away would be with Animal Form but as I said above that then means you've got to come out of Animal Form in order to recall, which means recovery cast time. Simpler to just be in Protection and hit a macro to leave.

How could this best be achieved and how much damage would be feasible and conceivable to withstand in one attack or concentrated attack of 4 other players ?

As I said previously, having 120 Weapon Skill (Wrestling) and 45 DCI put you even this means each of them will miss half the time (before taking into account HLD - which as you're not planing on fighting them is not something you should be sticking around for). Individually their damage could be anywhere from 20-40ish.

 

[popps]

You're a "Stratics Legend." Didn't anyone tell you one of the requirements for gaining that title is to grow a thick skin?

Well, I think so far I have had my fair share of "nice words" at me and yet, I do not recall losing my patience nor good manners in my replies.....

Does that qualify enough for a "thick skin" ?

 

[popps]

No, the best best it just to hit recall straight away. While Mining you are on foot, the only way to run away would be with Animal Form but as I said above that then means you've got to come out of Animal Form in order to recall, which means recovery cast time. Simpler to just be in Protection and hit a macro to leave.

Hmmm... what if I am in an area that blocks off recall ability ?

I would like to be also prepared to such a situation and have a plan B that would allow me to run/hide/stealth my way out of the situation.

In order to pull this off, though, I do need to be able to withstand and survive a strong initial attack......

As I said previously, having 120 Weapon Skill (Wrestling) and 45 DCI put you even this means each of them will miss half the time (before taking into account HLD - which as you're not planing on fighting them is not something you should be sticking around for). Individually their damage could be anywhere from 20-40ish.

Hmmm, a damage of 20-40 for each attacker can mean a total I should absorb to stay alive that ranges from 80 to 160 per each wave of attacks.......

Is there an outfit that can allow one to survive some 150+ points of damage ?

What would it be ?

 

[Tina Small]

Wraith Form also gives an advantage to not getting revealed. (I don't know the specifics off the top of my head)

I've never used it myself, but what I remember someone telling me is that you can float through other characters while stealthed in wraith form or they can walk through your wraith without necessarily seeing the message about passing through something invisible.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

Hmmm... what if I am in an area that blocks off recall ability ?

The Lost Lands is the only place I can think of that would do that for LJ, you can LJ in the guard zone in Delucia, you can also mine there. Though the simplest option is just to not be somewhere you can't recall. Theres plenty of Mining & LJ'ing spots in areas that still allow recall, so no real reason to put yourself in that situation, or at least to put it another way, theres no need to build an entire setup to circumvent something you could avoid just by not doing it that way.

Hmmm, a damage of 20-40 for each attacker can mean a total I should absorb to stay alive that ranges from 80 to 160 per each wave of attacks.......

Is there an outfit that can allow one to survive some 150+ points of damage ?

What would it be ?

No, I think you're looking at it from the wrong angle, the point isn't to take the damage and live from it, its to not take the damage in the first place. Which the things I've said previously will do for you.

Yes you can survive over 170 HP depending on instant heal methods such as potions, and regens mean by the time you take 170 HP you've healed some. But again prevention is better than cure.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

I've never used it myself, but what I remember someone telling me is that you can float through other characters while stealthed in wraith form or they can walk through your wraith without necessarily seeing the message about passing through something invisible.

That is true, though its not what I was referring to. I believe theres some extra thing relating to Detect Hidden & Tracking pevention in that form on a Stealther. Although it was *I think* specific to the actual Detect Hidden skill which not many people are likely to have, it more than likely also helps resist passive detections.

 

[Tina Small]

popps, I don't know why, but I just keep getting this mental picture of a character trying to stand up to a gank and being cut off at the knees in mid-sentence:

"Nanny nanny boo boo....you can't ki.................."

 

[Ailish]

Well, what if I feel like mining or chopping wood in areas where it could be more likely to find bands of PKillers ?

Then you are a fool asking to be PK'd and deserve what you get. I have been known to LJ at Yew gate ... but then, I was on a red character that could hold its own, and friendly with a good chunk of the people there. Some unknown blue doing the same is basically looking for a reason to cry "gank".

 

[popps]

The Lost Lands is the only place I can think of that would do that for LJ, you can LJ in the guard zone in Delucia, you can also mine there. Though the simplest option is just to not be somewhere you can't recall. Theres plenty of Mining & LJ'ing spots in areas that still allow recall, so no real reason to put yourself in that situation, or at least to put it another way, theres no need to build an entire setup to circumvent something you could avoid just by not doing it that way.

True, but mining and chopping wood were only some of the possible activities that could make me need such a survival outfit.

There could be other activities in areas without recall possible where then stealthing would be a necessity to make it out in one piece.......

No, I think you're looking at it from the wrong angle, the point isn't to take the damage and live from it, its to not take the damage in the first place. Which the things I've said previously will do for you.

Yes you can survive over 170 HP depending on instant heal methods such as potions, and regens mean by the time you take 170 HP you've healed some. But again prevention is better than cure.

Thank you for the good advice, I am still curious though, as to what would be the maximum damage that a defensive template focused on taking damage could absorb.

I understand and appreciate your advice on prevention and health fast recovery, nonetheless, I would still appreciate to find out what could possibly be, roughly, the maximum damage that one could absorb with the current items, artifacts, modifiers and skills existing in the game.

When you say it is feasible to withstand a 170 points hit do you mean that it is possible to actually build a suit and a template so that if anyone was to hit me doing 170 hit points I would still be there alive ?

What would that suit and template be, then ?

 

[UOKaiser]

True, but mining and chopping wood were only some of the possible activities that could make me need such a survival outfit.

There could be other activities in areas without recall possible where then stealthing would be a necessity to make it out in one piece.......





Thank you for the good advice, I am still curious though, as to what would be the maximum damage that a defensive template focused on taking damage could absorb.

I understand and appreciate your advice on prevention and health fast recovery, nonetheless, I would still appreciate to find out what could possibly be, roughly, the maximum damage that one could absorb with the current items, artifacts, modifiers and skills existing in the game.

When you say it is feasible to withstand a 170 points hit do you mean that it is possible to actually build a suit and a template so that if anyone was to hit me doing 170 hit points I would still be there alive ?

What would that suit and template be, then ?

Yes it's possible out the top of my head without using any forms. Human 125 str = 112 hp add 150 max str stat equals=125 hp + 5 hit point in each armor slot=+30 155hp + crimson 10 hp=165 substitute with some added artifacts
dupre shield +5 =170 fey leggigns=171 reading glasses of arts 15= 181
holy knights breastplate +10= 186,bracelet of health +5= 191, Blade of righteous + 10=201 substitute head piece with orc chief helm +30= 216
The most knowledge person +5=221
Add ninja wolf form not sure how that works out no ninja but it will give a large boost.
That should do it.

 

[Alezi]

I'd say about 850 damage, that's about how much health an average greater dragon has.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

True, but mining and chopping wood were only some of the possible activities that could make me need such a survival outfit.

There could be other activities in areas without recall possible where then stealthing would be a necessity to make it out in one piece.......

There aren't, but if you're convinced there are, take Stealth.

Thank you for the good advice, I am still curious though, as to what would be the maximum damage that a defensive template focused on taking damage could absorb.

The only way to absorb damage is Attunement which at best I *think* is between 50-80.

If you mean in terms of resitances, it depends whats hitting you, which as its a hypothetical question can't really be answered. You have the same max resistances regardless of wether you are a defensive or offensive template. The only slight change to that is races/forms/debuffs.

When you say it is feasible to withstand a 170 points hit do you mean that it is possible to actually build a suit and a template so that if anyone was to hit me doing 170 hit points I would still be there alive ?

What would that suit and template be, then ?

No, I mean that if you have 100 hp and get hit 10x for 10 damage you would still be alive because HP regen between swings means it may take 120 damage to kill you. As its a hypothetical question with an unknown amount of enemies on unspecified templates doing unspecified damage and unspecified specials at unknown intervals it can't be answered. What CAN be answered is what defensive measures you can take to 'take' the most and they've already been gone over.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

Yes it's possible out the top of my head without using any forms. Human 125 str = 112 hp add 150 max str stat equals=125 hp + 5 hit point in each armor slot=+30 155hp + crimson 10 hp=165 substitute with some added artifacts
dupre shield +5 =170 fey leggigns=171 reading glasses of arts 15= 181
holy knights breastplate +10= 186,bracelet of health +5= 191, Blade of righteous + 10=201 substitute head piece with orc chief helm +30= 216
The most knowledge person +5=221
Add ninja wolf form not sure how that works out no ninja but it will give a large boost.
That should do it.

Str is capped at 150, 150 Strength gives 125 HP.
HP Increase is capped at 25.
Wolf Form gives 20 HP while in form.

The max is 170 literally, though with regen it will take more to kill you, whatever your max.

 

[Tina Small]

That is true, though its not what I was referring to. I believe theres some extra thing relating to Detect Hidden & Tracking pevention in that form on a Stealther. Although it was *I think* specific to the actual Detect Hidden skill which not many people are likely to have, it more than likely also helps resist passive detections.

Don't know about the effect being in wraith form has on your ability to avoid detection with Detect Hidden skill. I believe the form would probably make you come up as a monster on the Tracking gump, and a lot of people don't think to always check that category.

 

[Maplestone]

best defensive outfit on the blue side of the moongate is a lute.

 

[Wenchkin]

OK, here's another suggestion.

My crafters live entirely in Fel, yet they don't wear any armour or carry anything which is insured. I don't have hide/stealth on any of them, or in fact any skills for surviving, aside from running like a girl which I have trained well beyond 120 My crafters go out in NPC clothing only and simply carry a minimum of tools with them.

What I do is work in quiet locations and regularly drop off my resources etc so I'm not going to provide a bountiful kill. On the very rare occasions when I am PKd, generally the top level of my pack is so littered with worthless odds and ends that the PK can't find my bag or pouch with the resources in and I'm left unlooted. I've also had circle of transparency set on so I could drop a pouch behind a tree without it being seen. I've been known to add a DP trapped box to my pack, but it's so rare that I see another person when I'm collecting that I haven't bothered with that in a while.

But honestly, I wouldn't suggest messing up templates or spending gold on kit, because unless you can fight, those 4 guys are still going to kill you and take your loot. You'll just lose the insurance gold too and find the skills aren't really worth having.

Wenchy

 

[Connor_Graham]

You're a "Stratics Legend." Didn't anyone tell you one of the requirements for gaining that title is to grow a thick skin?

Nah, I wouldn't let him in the door to the secret meeting room, so he missed out on the new Legends orientation. Sorry, but I didn't want to share the brownies.

 

[Fluffi]

Oh, there is one. It's called "Excel".

That sounds as if it was the easiest thing in the world to do.......

Perhaps many players are not familiar with Excel and would not have the fainthest idea of how to combine all of the data and formulas in a workable and reliable format ??

I can see that Stratics kindly offers a number of utilities to players of this game, I wonder why a Template Build Editor has not yet made it within the list of the offered utilities...

If you can't be bothered to build an Excel table which summates the values that you need, I will happily direct you to a suit-building application. (Of course, it does require an illegal program to run, so I would have to then report you for breaking the UO TOS.)

 

[Kiminality]

I can see that Stratics kindly offers a number of utilities to players of this game, I wonder why a Template Build Editor has not yet made it within the list of the offered utilities...

Looks like you've found a way to contribute to Stratics.
Or, should someone else make the effort, as usual?

 

[UOKaiser]

Str is capped at 150, 150 Strength gives 125 HP.
HP Increase is capped at 25.
Wolf Form gives 20 HP while in form.

The max is 170 literally, though with regen it will take more to kill you, whatever your max.

There's a cap on hp inc? Im trying to find that info you have a place I can check it out?

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

http://www.uoherald.com/guide/guide.php?guideId=57

 

[Vexxed]

For your EXAMPLE.. (LJ'ing or Mining in Fel)

ANSWER: Sacred Journey out at 1st contact... You could stack 4/6 casting + parry + resist & set a 1 button macro.. *Poof* your gone. You could even cast protection so that your Chiv is capped at 2/6 and now that can't even be interupted..

But beyond that The correct ANSWER to your question depends on the circumstances... So unless you give exactly the HOW & WHAT of the situation they answers won't really be accurate...

 

[canary]

Your best suit would be one that gives you the power to be tagged 'yellow'.