Are the dev team not aware of the game?

[G.v.P]

I feel the ninja argument is only really offers more survival options when considering pvp, although I have not tried having 6fcr and casting mirror image over and over (I assume would be possible if you are leeching mana constantly) and Mystic template only shines in pairs or groups.

Parry w/ dog/cat form and mirror has always been a PvM secret I guess. I think user Lord GOD actually solo'd the Slasher w/ a Mystic temp (although, he probably used bard skills too, as it was on test shard). But yeah, most Stone Form noobs hold hands.

Stone Form isn't as cool anymore due to the magic reflect change, but for dexxers it's still the same kind of nice for PvM. Limit of curses, tank, allows you to have much more mana. Still, the wammy is the best for PvM. I use sampires to farm repetitive non-boss stuff though, like the mount speed to cover ground.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Parry w/ dog/cat form and mirror has always been a PvM secret I guess. I think user Lord GOD actually solo'd the Slasher w/ a Mystic temp (although, he probably used bard skills too, as it was on test shard). But yeah, most Stone Form noobs hold hands.

Stone Form isn't as cool anymore due to the magic reflect change, but for dexxers it's still the same kind of nice for PvM. Limit of curses, tank, allows you to have much more mana. Still, the wammy is the best for PvM. I use sampires to farm repetitive non-boss stuff though, like the mount speed to cover ground.

Well I have used ninja in pvm, just never soloed anything...never tried to be more accurate, and never had the 6fcr to chain cast things.

I sort of meant my part about the mystic template to be more of a question than fact....as I have never used it myself, but would think it would rely on healing, and even against boss class monsters that don't use poison it is not all that easy to keep healed relying on healing alone. SO I would say in theory you would need someone to heal you.

 

[Shelleybean]

There is not a single mele artie weapon that you can't buy for 5k other then the soul seeker, and what does it have? So making new mele drops/arties with no leach when you can make an embued slayer with SL ML SS DI for almost next to nothing is pointless.

I don't think there was a single artifact weapon introduced with SA that had mana leech. And subsequent weapons haven't had mana leech either. That's one of the most important properties for my warriors. In short, I haven't used any artifact weapon introduced in the last few years.

 

[G.v.P]

Well I have used ninja in pvm, just never soloed anything...never tried to be more accurate, and never had the 6fcr to chain cast things.

I sort of meant my part about the mystic template to be more of a question than fact....as I have never used it myself, but would think it would rely on healing, and even against boss class monsters that don't use poison it is not all that easy to keep healed relying on healing alone. SO I would say in theory you would need someone to heal you.

For the mystic dexxer part, if you stay by the Slasher long enough at primetime youll see a duo ;P. Stone form makes you immune to poison pretty much, so you need good hit stam leech to keep bandages going, but as you can imagine, hella micro-managed. Easier with xhealing for sure. But healing stone helps.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

For the mystic dexxer part, if you stay by the Slasher long enough at primetime youll see a duo ;P. Stone form makes you immune to poison pretty much, so you need good hit stam leech to keep bandages going, but as you can imagine, hella micro-managed. Easier with xhealing for sure. But healing stone helps.

Well the duo part sort of goes with my theory doesn't it. And bandage times are based on dex alone, so stamina shouldn't matter.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

There are a number of things in UO that prevent Vamp Form leech, cause unbreakable parra, or induce heavy SSI penalties causing you to need to use a lower DPS weapon. A sampire or wammy needs to hit to live, a Ninja or Mystic does not.

My Mystic/dexxer was on Atlantic and solod the Slasher and Mephitis. No Bard. I would say easily in terms of the character was never anywhere close to dying.

A Ninja or Mystic/dexxer can do everything a sampire or wammy can plus the things they have a harder time with. Like Slasher, Meph, Shimmering. You can even have a Ninja/sampire or wammy.

 

[G.v.P]

My Mystic/dexxer was on Atlantic and solod the Slasher and Mephitis. No Bard. I would say easily in terms of the character was never anywhere close to dying.

Could have sworn you ran hybrid temp on Test first? But there ya go, better info on why sampire isn't the ONLY way to do it ;p.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

Could have sworn you ran hybrid temp on Test first.

I built the template on Atlantic after having meleed it on test on a Mystic/Mage. Not killed it, just danced around it healing, seeing how stuff worked. I also used test to find things out like how much SSI penalty Stone Form gave so I could find the right weapon for good DPS. *As I didn't have Myst even worked up on production at that time.* I wasn't particularly looking for ways to solo it I was just testing how effective Stone Form was, and when I see you don't get cursed or poisoned I thought it would be ideal for a bandage temp.

 

[Smoot]

No it isn't.

The most survivable melee builds are Ninjas and Mystics.

I feel the ninja argument is only really offers more survival options when considering pvp, although I have not tried having 6fcr and casting mirror image over and over (I assume would be possible if you are leeching mana constantly) and Mystic template only shines in pairs or groups.[/QUOTE]

A ninja with alot of mana casting mirror with decent casting, (doesnt need to be max) has great survivability for pvm, tho not as much damage output as a sampire, and because alot of mana has to be spent on mirrors.

I played a ninja like this a few years ago, but have seen in SA numerous times a ninja tanking Navery. It would probably take a long time to solo tho as a ninja.

 

[ingsmsico]

So myself and a guildmate are thinking of trying to bang out a Lady Melisande

OH YEA IM IN. HAMMER TIME

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

A ninja with alot of mana casting mirror with decent casting, (doesnt need to be max) has great survivability for pvm, tho not as much damage output as a sampire, and because alot of mana has to be spent on mirrors.

I played a ninja like this a few years ago, but have seen in SA numerous times a ninja tanking Navery. It would probably take a long time to solo tho as a ninja.

The damage output can be the same on either. In fact it's better with AI than LS, because you can AI more frequently than you get critical hits.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

The damage output can be the same on either. In fact it's better with AI than LS, because you can AI more frequently than you get critical hits.

But having to spam mirror image takes away from spamming AI?

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

Images don't stop you swinging, you don't need to spam images constantly, just enough to cover you, even if you only AI'd 2 in every 5 it would be better than criticals.

 

[[JD]]

Well one thing is for sure, armor and jewel artifacts seem to actually get used in templates far more than any artifact weapon.

In fact I can't think of a single person who uses any kind of artifact weapon on a regular, ongoing basis. The only time I whip out an artifact weapon is when I need a specific slayer, like the ironwood composite bow against the harbringer or something. The rest of the time I'm using crafted/imbued. The other reason someone might use one would be they are a newbie who can't afford afford crafted and they're just using an arty weap (like dragon's end) they got on the cheap.

There was a macing weap with repond and mana drain in SA. Inquisitor's pick or something. Looked nice. That would be one I might actually use. But it's much harder to craft a suit around a weapon than make your perfect suit and then craft weapons to match the suit.

BTW word to the wise, bashing the devs isn't conducive to keeping them and an open dialogue around. You are shooting yourselves in the foot when you get a little too... shall we say, "passionate".

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Images don't stop you swinging, you don't need to spam images constantly, just enough to cover you, even if you only AI'd 2 in every 5 it would be better than criticals.

Hmm. Unless you were really lucky with the criticals? Like I said I have used ninja in pvm, just never soloed anything so I can't speak from "real" experience.

BTW word to the wise, bashing the devs isn't conducive to keeping them and an open dialogue around. You are shooting yourselves in the foot when you get a little too... shall we say, "passionate".

I am open about how I feel about the dev team, and often times try to defend them as well, and will say here what I have said in private, I feel they do a good job 90% of the time, but it is much easier to "bash" them 10% of the time than it is to praise them 90%.

Naturally people are less prone to saying anything at all when there are "good" times, but during bad times most are quick to try and find the person or thing to blame.