Well in my eyes when you leave a situation in a certain way for 3 years its no longer a broken system, its a working feature. So you need to treat it that way, and expect that many people base their game play around it working the way it does.
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Wrong. They haven't removed the artifacts.
All of this "they shouldn't have been put in in the first place" is irrelevant. They haven't taken them out. It's just now not everyone can use them.
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Right, because Lynk, and so many others who play just like him, would have quit before then.
I am a bit confused. You say you are upset and quitting because you spent "a great deal of time" investing in your faction characters?
Thats really weird because the gist of your complaint is that you cannot play anymore without the EASILY obtained faction gear.
What exactly was your initial investment then? Uhhh, nothing considering that the time taken to build skills has not been affected. Just the gear.
What your rant boils down to then is that you are quitting because you cannot log characters on every shard and instantly outfit them in uber faction gear. That is how it should have always been. I guess maybe you didnt appreciate it enough when you had it so good. Lmao.
Cya!
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Incorrect. Suits were built around templates and the artifacts that fit into the suit. Time and gold was used to make the suits, buy the transfer tokens, transfer the items and equipment, pots, boxes, apples and other things to each shard he wanted to play on.
Without the artifacts the suits have to be remade from top to bottom because you simply can't replace one item with another.
You go ahead and continue to read what you want to read into people's posts and post your ugly unnecessary replies. It's obvious you haven't taken into consideration the people involved or what happens when this happens on the scale it has been.
If you truly don't understand, I apologize, but your post was just wrong.
There is nothing to take into account.
Faction arties are beyond overpowered and became as easily obtainable as fish steaks. Anyone who is talking about quitting because they were 100% wholly relying on them deserves what they got. Was the OP also gimping and using them on his non-pvp chars outside of Fel? Hrmmmm.
I thought it was painfully obvious but if you want to play multiple chars on multiple shards you must spend time training skills and gathering resources. Faction arties have nothing to do with that as you can easily make suits just as good without them. Whats your point?
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I got no love for Lynk but I will chime in and can undestand his frustration.. The decay of faction points, decay of Town Loyalty, the Decay of Fame/Karma, Decay of Virtue abilities piss me off to no end. Decaying of things in the game I spent time building up only have to build it up again is total ********. I got better fricken' things to do and it makes me not want to play the game. The Devs are dumb as rocks if they think by creating decay it's going to keep Veteran players around longer...all it does is piss people off. Maybe if the Devs actually played the game they'd understand. Decay is obsolete!
All types of decay be it faction points, fame karma, town loyalty, virtue skills should be done away with 5 years ago.
All types of decay be it faction points, fame karma, town loyalty, virtue skills should be done away with 5 years ago.
Just how is the system "supposed to work"? Because for 3 years, it worked comparably to Test Center where you can say "give arties" and it appears in your bank account. Except in factions, the arties you get are better than the original.
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I'm talking about ranks not artifacts. I know it's hard for folks to understand that don't participate. I've reported several times how the ranks are bugged though. Thanks for your input.
You're right, it is hard for folks to understand that don't participate. Like folks who log in just to PvP and don't participate in any of the other elements offered by UO, not even update the suit they use to PvP in.
But I understand you're biased because this affected some of your in-game friends and want to back them up. Understandable. But let's not lose sight of changes that are for the greater good in the long run.
But I understand you're biased because this affected some of your in-game friends and want to back them up. Understandable. But let's not lose sight of changes that are for the greater good in the long run.
How on earth is this for the greater good? People have already posted that good quality members of this community are leaveing or have left due to this change. I can assure you that if you did participate in the former event known as factions the rate of players has dropped off greatly. These are the same players that have pushed the known boundries of the game for the last 5+ years with time spent trying different combo's of items, stats, skills and playstyles. Do not think that they did not log in to go to the latest EM event or something similar and participate in these things, WE DID and more than you are aware of...who on earth do you think was selling all that pixil crack? Who do you think were the people who spent time figuring out how to run Lady Mel as efficiently as possible, one or two man corgul, explaining how to do medusa without pets, showing how to collect the items for all the other Peerless? All of these really were done by the people who wanted the rewards that best fit into the pvp suits.
As I have said in this, and other, threads factions did indeed give out items that everyone could have recieved. Yes it made it easier for those that wanted to join to make a relative cheap suit but at the same time it drove those involved to new places that the rest of the UO player base didn't go to.
The lack of forsight by this latest crop that is the DEV team is driving the game to the grave.
Why do you even respond to people like O'Brien, that guy is so delusional he thinks that monsters invading Luna and everyone losing everything will some how bring in droves of new players and, fix uo.
He also somehow thinks that luna bank setters are the devil and are ruining this game.
and lets not forget, that somehow searching day and night for months for a single item on vendors is somehow better then a localized market that you can find what you are looking for right now.
( some how a good portion of people leaving the game over faction changes is good in his mind)
bah I am not even bothering with this anymore...
You got peeps that think everyone, deserves to be subject to there lol game play..
then on the other hand you have devs that suggest 'for new content just try to solo one of the dungeons with out gear....'
and further more you have players ( that are totally lacking of research, and have very little to no true context to add ) taunting other players over the soul reason that their game play just got smashed by the devs overnight.
This game, the development and most of the fans are a complete joke.
Furthermore people that are not not active in factions or were not active in factions, have no right to even speak about faction changes. This is about as stupid as a medical surgeon listening to suggested regulation changes from a car mechanic....
btw i don't care about my shotty grammar or spelling, it is not worth my time to compose an essay level response to some random form post on a game that's 15 years old....
No offense but people wholly reliant on faction arties (most of the people in this thread btw) were and are not pushing any boundries. It was and is still a gimp system designed to do nothing other then encourage laziness and ganking. Hop in our faction guild and get a billion instant points from our points holder so that TOMORROW you can get the exact same uber gear as the rest of us and start ganking. Very sad. Have you not ever looked at all the suits every factioner wore? They were nearly identical and cookie-cutter.
A points holder? Really. How gimp and abusive is that? Every guild has them btw. What boundries are they pushing lol?
I suppose you also condone non-pvpers paying for rank and then using the gear outside of Felucca with no intention of ever actually participating in factions?
Your argument basically boils down to do not ever change anything because you may piss someone off.
I will say that you are correct in the fact that pvpers have always been the ones supplying the rest of the facets with the knowledge and experience to push the limits on everything.
It is refreshing to see someone make an argument by using examples and specific points.
Too many other people on these boards are only cheerleaders for friends IMO.
How do you suggest a the old faction system created a vantage point for one party and not the other ?? The artifacts could be got by anyone, it wasnt even that hard.. even if you didnt have a guild and joined a faction all you had to do is have a thief skill and steal sigils and you would rank up...... Sure it wasnt what was intended, but a lot of you people are acting like its still year 2000 and UO has a billion players still. This game is slowing down and some systems have to be scaled to fit the population.... there are not enough people currently active in factions for the current ranking system to allow you to rank up...
As far as pvm's using faction peaces outside of Fel, is this really an issue lol ??? Personaly all my pvm characters did not use faction peaces, but it didn't effect me one way or the other that one of my friends I play with all the time was using them.... in the end we both ended up with 150 str dex..... and all the important mod slots maxed....
1) Nobody with the experience and ability to regularly pvp should be reliant on high-powered items that are dispensed like candy from a machine. If you have the experience you surely have the means to gear up. Its that simple. Anyone quitting because the faction gear is now harder to get is lazy and a fool IMO. The system has always been broken so spare me the whine that rank is now broken.
2) Everybody is talking about factions and pvp but nobody seems to want to acknowledge the non-faction pvper. There are still quite a few of them.
Alot of them play the game the right way and work hard to get the gear they need to compete. If they did not do this they would not be able to compete with every faction slob that joined yesterday and abused the system to get their top gear in a day. This is not a whine or a rant. It is a statement of fact that points out another faction issue.
My non-faction pvpers get attacked and/or ganked by faction players all day long. I dont mind as it means there is action and that is what I play for. What I find quite amusing though is that later on when I kill one of the gankers at the gate he starts whiining to me that I should stay out of faction fights. Too funny.
3) Pvmer's using faction gear outside of Felucca is not an issue. It is simply wrong.
Bottom line is that people are quitting or threatening to quit over gear. Gear that ofc was not even in the game until not so long ago when you look at the big picture. I guess they want everything handed to them now and never understood what UO was and is truly about. It has nothing to do with subscription numbers. It has everything to do with laziness.
That is pathetic IMO.
I was about to once again point out to you the fact that if you arent lazy you can easily make the same overpowered gear that you get from the faction candy machine but then I noticed your first 2 replies in this thread and remembered that you are only in this thread to defend your buddy so rational argument is not your priority. Thats cool though. Everybody needs someone to look out for them right or wrong 
I'm sure that there were players who were wholly reliant upon the artis to make the suits, I was not one of them. Yes a few of my suits were based around these suits but others had non and these were the better set up, IMO.
My guild had point holders 2+ years ago but that practice was stopped when it became clear that the point race on Napa was not doing any of the sides any favors so it was stopped, I am not sure about the non COM guilds but that was the case for us.
Of course most of the suits were cookie cutter given that the slots needed to be filled were standard for everyone playing similar temps but this was the very same reason it made the barrier for entry so low, fast and efficient. There were also many people who ran variants of the standard temp who did not need the items but played simply for the pvp.
I never, ever, condoned non-pvp types involved in factions. I had a sampire whom I used for spawns but I rarely had her in tram with the execption of medusa as there are no good 120's to be had floating around the ilsh spawns. My samp never backed down from a fight with any raider and, shockingly, was a semi-effective pvping char taking in more kills than some stealther types over the years. I killed many decent mages, tamers, dexxers and stealthers with that char but I built the suit's mods around being able to chug, using bushido specials and casting chiv spells. Wanting to have the most effective char for spawns has to have a element of pvp built into the package or you are just leaving yourself open to frustration, everyone can recall losing spawns and I wanted to reduce this as best as was possible.
Change what they want if there is a clear path and there is some real feedback from the dev team. Sometimes the change in this game does indeed piss me off, I like this game and have played it more or less since day one, but it is the strange way some things are done that irks me.
I would be happy with something like "We are going to attempt to change or enhance X. This is the path that we are going to use and this is the rational for doing such. Here is our expected results and here are the options if the old coding of this game screws is all up." This could be done for what ever they want but the leaving us in the dark over anything and everything is silly, disheartening and non-effective.
1) Nobody with the experience and ability to regularly pvp should be reliant on high-powered items that are dispensed like candy from a machine. If you have the experience you surely have the means to gear up. Its that simple. Anyone quitting because the faction gear is now harder to get is lazy and a fool IMO. The system has always been broken so spare me the whine that rank is now broken.
Factions was put in for pvp and the reward was the gear. To keep from making to unlevel of a playing field, i feel that faction peaces should be as easy to get as candy from a vending machine. Lets say our friend Petra made a character on a non siege shard and trained up her toon. Now she has a friend that can imbue, but she doesn't have access to artifacts on this server, because lack of a pvm character. Lets say Petra decides she wants to try her hands at pvp/factions, now under your guise her suit is not even going to be 1/2 of what the top ranking faction people are, thus limiting her ability to kill ( not only due to items but due to her lack of ability, because she has never done it before) SO instead of giving her the same opprotunities and somewhat of a level playing field as the factioner next to her, you are saying this. Here see this person they are way OPED stat wise compared to you, but if you ever want a chance of competeing at that level, you have to beat this person every day ( with out a single death ) to gain access to the euber items s/he has. Its redicilous the scheme you are suggesting would only work if factions was massively populated.
for the arguement that equip != skill......
Lets say everything is 100% equal our ping system specs player skill etc.. etc.. The only difference between our clone fight is you have 5% more ssi and 10 more hps... adventualy if the fight runs long enough your minor advantage will compound into a larger one at the end of the fight... ie in the end if you are doing more dmg to me then I am to you and have more stats and we are a evenly matched fight chances are you are going to win.... Luckily not all people were created equal in regards to skill.
personally I think faction rewards should be in the form of if you high high enough rank its boosts one skill of your selection above 120 and alters your skill cap to compensate.. not silly items...
How can you be so obtuse in your generalization of the advantages created? Some of us actually worked to attain the crimson cinctures and ornaments of the magician...not to mention the REST of the gear. Are you saying that because of a bugged system the rest of us should just suffer due to a paticular group being allowed to run on easy mode? I just don't get the logic being pushed here. Again, factions were not designed to allow everyone to "rank up". If you pursued this easy mode knowing full well the system was broken, you can fault no one but yourself for taking advantage of it.
Yes, it is an issue. See my above comment. People stopped going to doom, they stopped farming peerless. Why? They no longer could make enough gold to cover the time they spent since the prices of these non faction items plummeted. Don't think this is true? Take a gander at the cost of ornaments and crimsons SINCE the changes, they now cost twice as much since people actually need them again.
So, in short this broken system did create a vantage point. It allowed people to circumvent the regular grind so they could actively harrass the rest of the population who didnt have or want to use said items. It destroyed many a pvmers chance to make extra gold farming said items, and literally left a gap between the playstyles of fel and those of trammel. So cheers to all those who felt that factions only had an effect on them and not the rest of the game.
Glad you could all be so damn shortsided.
I have pvm toons that have non faction crimmy mace and shields etc.. etc... I am in the same boat as you. But also in all honesty I think a lot of people are not buying artifacts because their suits are already complete I have 5 pvm fully suited characters ( with artifacts all non faction ) so hence I see a crimmy for sale i pass it up because i litterly don't need another one... ( i got 3 setting in house now not in use ) The same thing can be said about imbuing mats... the past few months before this faction change my shard has had litterly nill in imbuing mats for sales... why ? no one is buying or really farming them because their suits are done.
In there defense though they work for their peaces too, they just get the reward upfront and pay ( pvp ) for it after the fact it would seem. kinda like a car loan.
Nope, I don't consider faction items to be the *real deal*. The are just cheap knock offs created to fall apart.
Reward up front? Two words, point holders. Any Tom, ****, or Jane could attain rank 10 without having any knowledge of what pvp is even about. All they knew is according to their friends, they could get free stuff without any work involved. (see the game for endless examples of tomfoolery) Again, if you offer up these carbon copies for nothing...it ruins the market for the rest.
BTW, I have 38 real ornies, 29 real crimsons, 6 real crystalline rings, 15 kasa of the rajin, 10 mace and shields, and the list goes on. Should some slacker be allowed to have the same in faction wear for nothing just because they call themselves PvPer? Sorry, but I could kick the dogturds out of most of these people with a no resist spellweaver. That is without the uber gear mind you, or uber templates. There is nothing fair about how the old system was when you consider the rest of the population like myself.
Point? The only worry of any factioner was statloss. Most even circumvented that for 3 years with a *clever* use of soulstones.
Endgame? Not in the standard sense. More like another way to drive the common casual player away. Guess that would be an endgame of sorts.
Because Test Center already exists. We don't want or need free arties on production shards.
The decline in the player-base is regrettable, but obviously they weren't that committed and perhaps this isn't the game for them anyway if they're going to quit because they have to spend a little more time building their suits.
More "us vs them" nonsense. PvPers haven't contributed anything more to the game than anyone else.
Yes they do all these things, and yet you see a significant drop in population when it's time to do a suit update?
Yeah, everyone could receive them if they join factions. That's the problem. We're playing on production shards trying to have an economy, not Test Center.
I could agree with ya there, but they do make a positive change from time to time.
Nice snipe attempt. Well, actually, no, not really. Yeah you should just not even bother with it anymore.
Someone not in factions absolutely has the right to speak about faction changes. I paid the same monthly fee as you and I spent hundreds of hours trying to acquire the same arties you got for free. Don't try to silence debate just because you can't win it.
Yeah, that's pretty obvious. Why post at all?
lol... u sir gash i am done with this... Problem with arguing with someone that's ment... yeah...
one last thing i bet you can not name one artifact in game that you have that i dont..
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You're still talking like they have taken faction artifacts out of the game. They haven't.
Also, to say someone who had developed multiple characters on 10 shards, played for years, and contributed here on stratics was "not that committed" and "this isn't the game for them anyway" is ignorant.
I'm not sure what "economy" changes you think are happening because of this faction artifact change, but most people I've played with in Fel have all earned their own stuff. So if you're thinking someone was taking gold coins out of your pocket you are gravely mistaken.
All this change has done has changed who can wear the artifacts and for how long, completely destroyed faction ranking, and driven off many of the players who participated on 8 out of 10 shards.
Also, to say someone who had developed multiple characters on 10 shards, played for years, and contributed here on stratics was "not that committed" and "this isn't the game for them anyway" is ignorant.
I'm not sure what "economy" changes you think are happening because of this faction artifact change, but most people I've played with in Fel have all earned their own stuff. So if you're thinking someone was taking gold coins out of your pocket you are gravely mistaken.
All this change has done has changed who can wear the artifacts and for how long, completely destroyed faction ranking, and driven off many of the players who participated on 8 out of 10 shards.
The guy is obviously a troll, hibitual at that. You can look though his post history and glean that. I mean he makes ridiculousness statements to try to insight people....
Such as "it would be a great idea to remove item insurance from UO and not tell anyone..." Obvious troll..... from the last time I had a run in with him on these forms.
Oh and if someones game play was impacted in a negative manor as long as its not his, its working as intended.
If you're going to post a quote as evidence of me being a troll, then shouldn't it be something I actually said?
I think it's time we called a halt. There has been enough discussion on this topic for a clear message to have been sent, all else is just becoming a flame fest.
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