A Sciptor in the Cavern of the Discarded

[Viper09]

That's the enhanced client showing his casting text when I run by his ghost. The mod option I have for the journal makes it look that way.

Oo, cool mod. Didn't know of that mod, but then again I don't use the EC that much.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Just because you cannot cast while dead doesn't mean the words will still not display while casting. As for seeing what the ghost is saying/casting...Spirit Speak.

I've never seen words of power/spells being uttered while dead, afaik it simply says you can't cast that because you're dead and nothing happens. Just like you don't get the words of power if you cast a spell you don't have.

 

[Viper09]

I've never seen words of power/spells being uttered while dead, afaik it simply says you can't cast that because you're dead and nothing happens. Just like you don't get the words of power if you cast a spell you don't have.

Well, don't know what to tell you then. I see it a lot for dead scripters. Maybe some casting skills do it while others don't.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Well, don't know what to tell you then. I see it a lot for dead scripters. Maybe some casting skills do it while others don't.

I have no idea, as i don't script then I don't really know too much about casting spells while dead. The only times I've done it is the occasional misclicks while dead, so its not exactly fresh in my mind.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

funny how the cheaters that dont use pvp scripts but use farming scripts come to the defense of people getting paged on. Scripts are cheating plain and simple. you want a couple hundred K in logs to use/sell/donate? then PLAY THE GAME and either earn money to buy or gather them yourself. Some people defend scripters because without them they like to think that you couldnt buy anything and the game would shut down. The game would shut down for them because they would no longer be able to goto a website and buy illegally acquired items or go to thier favorite scripter's vendor and buy script gathered items cheaper than they ever should have been. What would happen without scripters? cheaters stop using thier trial accounts and jack up the cost of thier stuff, real players would have reason to farm and sell items again and be able to undercut the cheaters and enjoy the game. After a while the prices of items would return to what they should have been in the first place. Items will be valued by difficulty to acquire not by how much a cheat wants to sell it for.


now to get flamed by the cheaters and/or cheater lovers

 

[Splup]

They should take actions on people paging for no reason. I can move on the same tiles killing the same monster not replying to anyone but only gm's. So this should work both ways. Page on people but they better be scripting or the person that pages should be dealt with according. GM's are taking time out of other players in que to come investigate "OMG DREAD JOHNNY IS MINING AND NOT REPLYING TO ME"

If EA is worried about scriptors then THEY will put an ati cheat in game, NOT some random player that doesn't know #$%^

Yeah, respoding to GM:s message "Are you there?" or "What color is your robe" must be killing your fingers. I feel sry for thee, Ban All Pagers!

 

[jack flash uk]

to Old Man Of UO

GOOD WORK

when you know, YOU KNOW

anyone who says otherwise is a scripter

i love it when people attack the guy who has paged

"i can run in the same area not talking" yeah yeah

spamming casting spells while dead INSTEAD of running off to get a res SCRIPTER

no defence

again, i say GOOD WORK

 

[Nyses]

They should take actions on people paging for no reason. I can move on the same tiles killing the same monster not replying to anyone but only gm's. So this should work both ways. Page on people but they better be scripting or the person that pages should be dealt with according. GM's are taking time out of other players in que to come investigate "OMG DREAD JOHNNY IS MINING AND NOT REPLYING TO ME"

If EA is worried about scriptors then THEY will put an ati cheat in game, NOT some random player that doesn't know #$%^

Oh Goodman, where to even start with you? Nice Name, come up with that all on your own? Nornally no big deal, but you are using the name of a well respsected and dead member of the UO community. If your chars have been named Goodman FOREVER, fine.

Now on with the scripting. You can move on the same tiles .....blah blah blah, for 3 hours? Bull****!!!!!! Not talking is fine, I do that too. but to watch a char move for an hour and not miss ONE step, to be perfect for countles hours? I will not drink your koolaid.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Becaue yeah, you're seriously sitting there for three hours and flawlessly observing another player, lol.

Either way, in regards to the OP. Its good that he paged, if spells really do appear when dead, then he's a scripter and its fine to report him.

 

[Old Man of UO]

Becaue yeah, you're seriously sitting there for three hours and flawlessly observing another player, lol. ...

Glad you appreciated it, and you are welcome.

 

[Gidge]

If EA is worried about scriptors then THEY will put an ati cheat in game, NOT some random player that doesn't know #$%^

If they didn't, they would not give us the option to page on them.

 

[WarUltima]

Becaue yeah, you're seriously sitting there for three hours and flawlessly observing another player, lol.

Either way, in regards to the OP. Its good that he paged, if spells really do appear when dead, then he's a scripter and its fine to report him.

Chiv spells definitely appear overhead even while you are dead.
Sometimes the Word of Power will get pushed to bottom left hand cornor. I am not sure if its the same way as magery but Chiv spells do appear...

 

[Sevin0oo0]

just went there& didn't see him

 

[Viper09]

just went there& didn't see him

You do realize this thread was started early this morning right? And then there is this:

Yep.. waited and watched.



He left the Caverns and I am still 6 in the GM queue... running UO in the background while doing data entry. If I log off now, what happens? Will the page get canceled? Are there game logs for the GM to review if he has already logged out?

 

[G.v.P]

Get orange boxes, and while he is fighting in one place, cage him in!

ok ok... thats probably not "legal"

Best bet is to page on him!

scripts can pick up items blocking lol scripts can do pretty much everything ... I've tried to block scripters before doesn't work ... this one guy also had probably a full runebook of runes one tile apart at a popular spawn point pretty nuts

 

[Viper09]

scripts can pick up items blocking lol scripts can do pretty much everything ... I've tried to block scripters before doesn't work ... this one guy also had probably a full runebook of runes one tile apart at a popular spawn point pretty nuts

Not all scripters prepare for being blocked. Nearly every Heartwood scripter I've run into never picks up items I used to block them.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

Did his rotting corpse decay and disappear with all his ill-gotten gain?
I hope so...

Unless his script had a bag of sending sub that sent all the ingredients to the bank...

 

[Old Man of UO]

Unless his script had a bag of sending sub that sent all the ingredients to the bank...

I don't think so... I would see him recall about once in a long while, then come running back in.

BUT, he hasn't been back to visit in five days now.

 

[G.v.P]

Not all scripters prepare for being blocked. Nearly every Heartwood scripter I've run into never picks up items I used to block them.

Yeah, after that, I just stopped caring about being a "policeman"

Heh not worth it if Mythic does nothing

 

[CroakerTnT]

Can't you just kill him?

 

[Goodmann]

Just start a petition to make everything all felluca rule set then OLD MAN will be crying "i got killed while farming boura pelts" then we can have that discussion

 

[Llewen]

Just start a petition to make everything all felluca rule set then OLD MAN will be crying "i got killed while farming boura pelts" then we can have that discussion

So what you are saying is cheating doesn't bother you, and everyone who thinks that cheating is a bad thing, and tries to stop it, is a crybaby? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly...

 

[Old Man of UO]

Just start a petition to make everything all felluca rule set then OLD MAN will be crying "i got killed while farming boura pelts" then we can have that discussion

So what you are saying is cheating doesn't bother you, and everyone who thinks that cheating is a bad thing, and tries to stop it, is a crybaby? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly...

Felluca rule set has NOTHING to do with this thread... Goodmann can't make a convincing argument so he just degrades himself into casting aspersions and accusations. I think he is saying it's only cheating when someone else does it or he is a victim of someone else's cheat.

So tell me Mr. Goodmannn, why shouldn't I have reported him? Why is it wrong for EA to ban cheaters?

*YAWN*

 

[Violence]

Banning scripters will increase resources' prices for a couple of months, until people start farming them for themselves while those who still won't, will "help" eventually in forming legit competition as they will slowly start using in-game vendors instead of web-sites.

I can't bother elaborating and admittedly I'm not a marketing genius, and maybe it will take more than 2-3 months for the economy to recover but it will happen eventually IMHO.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

How are you a victim in this situation?...Let's say this guy is not scripting and actually at his computer farming ingredients. The effect it has on you changes by no factor whatsoever...you even said yourself in this thread that his script was leaving the renowned for you to kill. That being said, his scripting actually works toward your benefit with that regard. But, since you spend your time farming ingredients while this guy simply runs a script you page on him because you feel like he is somehow wronging you by not sitting at his computer. If you take this stand you might as well page on everyone sitting at luna bank as well.

Now let's assume that this scripter (i mean "scriptor") has been perma-banned and decides to finally quit UO. However, before taking his leave from the game he decides to share this script with all of his UO friends and guildmates since he can no longer use it. Those friends find out the script works great, and decide to share it with their friends and so on. By banning the single scripter, you have essentially created a chain of brand-new ones, who have been warned about people paging on them, and decide to use the script semi-attended while watching tv: something you can do nothing about.

So now you have to ask yourself...is it really worth paging on a "scriptor?"

 

[G.v.P]

Now let's assume that this scripter (i mean "scriptor") has been perma-banned and decides to finally quit UO. However, before taking his leave from the game he decides to share this script with all of his UO friends and guildmates since he can no longer use it.

But what if you catch the scripter, and he is like, "oh my god, I must change my ways," then he becomes the next president of ... whatever? Hey, I liked those page to page storybook novels as much as the next guy, because the imagination can make anything happen.

Our reality is the game runs on scripts. Mythic did not keep this game up to date so our macro system is ancient (are you kidding me? every single spell in one long scroll box?), there's no vendor search function like more modern games, I'm not even sure if there is a /tell system yet in the game, although I might have missed that ... at least we have global chat ... and there are tons of systems, BODs, runic quests, that rely only on the RNG, which is never satisfying and many of these systems should be replaced by a guaranteed reward over time method like the Gauntlet.

 

[Old Man of UO]

How are you a victim in this situation?...Let's say this guy is not scripting and actually at his computer farming ingredients. The effect it has on you changes by no factor whatsoever...you even said yourself in this thread that his script was leaving the renowned for you to kill. That being said, his scripting actually works toward your benefit with that regard. But, since you spend your time farming ingredients while this guy simply runs a script you page on him because you feel like he is somehow wronging you by not sitting at his computer. If you take this stand you might as well page on everyone sitting at luna bank as well.

Now let's assume that this scripter (i mean "scriptor") has been perma-banned and decides to finally quit UO. However, before taking his leave from the game he decides to share this script with all of his UO friends and guildmates since he can no longer use it. Those friends find out the script works great, and decide to share it with their friends and so on. By banning the single scripter, you have essentially created a chain of brand-new ones, who have been warned about people paging on them, and decide to use the script semi-attended while watching tv: something you can do nothing about.

So now you have to ask yourself...is it really worth paging on a "scriptor?"

THIS is just sooooo much nonsense and BS. You don't really believe what you just wrote do you? No one is really that naive are they?

He's gone... banned... no one has replaced him yet. I don't care how you try to justify scripting and being acceptable, it is wrong and bad for the game. Zero tolerance for cheating.

If another scriptor comes along to replace him, he gets banned too.

 

[Old Man of UO]

I want to make a few final points on this thread, then I will ask the moderators to please lock this thread. My original and follow up questions were answered; is it okay to report someone scripting, and how is it reported. Thank you to those who answered.

Now, I never meant to start a discussion about whether scripting is "bad" or "good," but others brought it up. My opinion is that it is bad, and you won't change my opinion. If you think it's acceptable, or "good" I probably won't change yours.

My first point: EA/Mythic says clearly that cheating is not acceptable, and if caught your account will have action taken against it. This is not a gray area but black and white. When you signed up for an account to play UO, you agreed not to use them. There is no gray area here.

Don't split hairs - cheating is cheating. Either you are cheating, or you aren't. You can't pick and choose which "unofficial" scripts or PVP programs are acceptable; if they are against the Terms of Service then they are not allowed.

Unattended scripting is cheating, whether that script is used to gather resources or automatically chug potions, or whatever. Any other program that lets you do things that you can't normally do with the two clients is wrong and cheating. I see no difference between the resource gathering script cheats or the program that allowed you to crash the other persons client (yes, that program did exist at one time). If you are saying script resource gathering is okay, then you are also saying any other cheat program is okay.

No matter how you try to justify cheating, it is bad for UO and the UO community. Scripts and other cheat programs are unfair to all of use who abide by the rules and do not use them. Cheating affects everyone else, even if it is in a very small way. Resource gathering scripts reduces the prices of the resource being gathered, making it not profitable for someone to gather resources in an honest way. Resource gathering scripts also gives the person cheating an unfair advantage with all the extra gold it provides. If you get bored chopping wood or mining ore, then find something else to do. If you've got carpal tunnel, you probably shouldn't be on the computer anyway.

I reported a person (really a computer since no one was sitting at the computer) who was running a script. I did not in any way interfere with his game. I watched this person for several weeks, who happened to be in the same area that I was in. There is ZERO doubt that this person (or computer) was running a script program unattended. However, the judgment was not up to me, but was made by an employee of EA/Mythic who have a very high standard of proof. EA/Mythic alone decided how to handle this situation, not me.

You know the risks. If you get caught cheating, don't blame the person who reported you, don't blame anyone else. It is your fault.

The day that EA/Mythic says that scripts and cheat programs are okay is the day that I cancel my account. Period.

P.S. If you have more to say on this topic, please start your own thread. Thank you

 

[Llewen]

*snipped, if you want to read all of the incredible BS in this post, follow the link*

This is typical of the kinds of arguments that cheaters use. I have no idea whether you are or aren't a cheater, although based on that post it's pretty easy to jump to conclusions, but you are certainly using the kind of ridiculous pseudo logic that criminals everywhere use.

And yes, I intentionally used the word "criminal". I'm not saying that cheating in an MMO is a Federal offence, or that it should be, I am just saying that that is a fine example of the kinds of logic that criminals use to try and stop people from calling the police on them.

 

[samsung]

*snipped, if you want to read all of the incredible BS in this post, follow the link*

This is typical of the kinds of arguments that cheaters use. I have no idea whether you are or aren't a cheater, although based on that post it's pretty easy to jump to conclusions, but you are certainly using the kind of ridiculous pseudo logic that criminals everywhere use.

And yes, I intentionally used the word "criminal". I'm not saying that cheating in an MMO is a Federal offence, or that it should be, I am just saying that that is a fine example of the kinds of logic that criminals use to try and stop people from calling the police on them.

ok the whole world is made up of cheaters no matter where u are, people cheat the stock market, people cheat on thier taxes, people cheat on thier spouces and people cheat in the olympics lmao! this is just a game and of course there is cheaters and always will be no matter what... someone somewhere will always find a way to cheat the system somehow.. i read all your posts and cant believe u guys can write and write on going messages about cheating. Quit whinning like little babies and log in and play this stupid game lmao... u sittin here and posting isnt gona change nothin:gun::gun::gun:

 

[Shamus Turlough]

I want to make a few final points on this thread, then I will ask the moderators to please lock this thread.

<<<<<<Lots of words>>>>>>>>

P.S. If you have more to say on this topic, please start your own thread. Thank you

Request granted.