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Sounds like a typical CEO
Stole $1000's ........................... And the proof is in the puddin. Good luck hunting down this scum
Sure. Legal repercussions should follow illegal acts. There was no illegal act committed. And who is to say what repercussions will follow? Everything we do has consequences, though they are not often visible or instantaneous.
Something like that happens at least once a month in Eve Online. The largest alliance in the game lost everything when the guild leader betrayed everyone 2 months ago. He made off with well over 1 trillion in assets ($100,000). Not to mention causing thousands of people to lose their items in areas they no longer had access to because enemies moved in and took the space.
There is extreme irony because he joined after betraying another alliance.
The only way not to get burned by stuff like this is to make sure you never give out more than you are prepared to lose.
I think you're misunderstanding what some people are saying. I doubt anyone is defending his actions, I might be wrong. I could see why someone would.
What I'm seeing more than actually defending is stating that he actually didn't break any rules. That's what it comes down to. No matter who's side your on, he didn't actually break any of EA's policys. That's the closer right there. It would actually be wrong for EA to do this, this causes other people to have a valid reason to page a GM for every item that's scammed from them. This might be the right way to go, in your opinion and that's fine. But this causes them to contradict their "We don't replace lost or stolen items." This is when the Can O Worms opens up.
ate the person who as stolen from? that would be a horrible crime
How many people lost items? What if I am in one of the largest guilds in UO? Your argument here is that it is wrong based on how much was scammed or how many people were effected? So if this guy took only half of what he did it would be OK, because fewer people were effected and the stuff stolen would be worth less? Please let me know what the limit is on how many people could be effected and how much the "loot" can be worth.
That is actually a very good definition of a scam. Preying upon peoples trust or naivete.
It is not an exploit of the game mechanics. It is not utilizing a third party program. Not a violation of the TOS. It has happened since the very start of UO. EA/Mythic is aware of it, and has even included warning about its existence. Sounds like part of the game to me.
Yes it is.
See above. Not against the TOS, no exploit, no third party program. Just a scam. Despicable yes. Bannable...no.
And if you trusted your mega valuables in a game to someone you didn't know? And i can't insure my cursed scrolls, or my million dollar checks.
So your saying that its his intent that makes this a "crime", So if he comes on this board and says "well, I just wanted to pull off the biggest scam in UO history", he would be forgiven? What if he sells the stuff as an afterthought, but his original intent was just to see if he could do it? And a stolen 120 magery scroll for sale on Ebay (back when it was allowed)? Also a "crime"?
And the definition of a Jackass is what? I suspect that there are many different definitiosn we could come up with that would cover a lot of people. But I suspect you will want to work with your definition, and not anyone elses who differs.
Apparently you missed the whole substance of it, and the part where I said i haven't slept in a long time and it's 3am. No brownie points for you, Mr. Cool Kid who find a typo.
It's their game. The EULA can be changed however they want, whenever they want. Even if they did something that wasn't espressly stated, implied, or perhaps even allowed... they still could.. It's their game.
They should delete the rares that were stolen. No reason the D-bad should profit from other's misery, that'd be too much like the real world for most of you.
He did not steal $1000, he stole the use of some UO items. Nobody owns anything in UO, EA owns it all. You are just granted the use of those items.
OK, check on the lack of humor regarding the stealing skill.
Game mechanics also let me lie in the game, and as a result "scam" you out of stuff due to your trust/naivete. It is a part of being human. From the first time Thrag told Grok that he only wanted to look at his nicely roasted turkey leg, and then promptly ate it.
So, speaking in game, acting, roleplaying, etc. are all game mechanics as designed. You may not like the fact that the scammer used these mechanics to gain access to peoples stuff (and frankly, neither do I), but it has been, and always will be, part of the game.
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No one has ever heard the tale of the Scorpion and the Frog?
I Feel bad for those who trusted the Rares fest Auction Staff. But a thief is a thief. Especially one who sucks so bad in game that they can only try to compare to their Idol's. The person who did this will never reach the status of those that had true skill. It's almost funny....the person who is the supposed thief in this probably has less successful steals then the average Trammel dungeon thief.
While I agree he is surely a Giant ******....People decided to trust someone who's personal label clearly read "I AM FU@$ING TROUBLE!!!
Who would friend a thief to their house? An idiot? A trusting fool? or an accomplice?
Guess we may never know....But the only victims are those who put their rares in the auction.
I Feel bad for those who trusted the Rares fest Auction Staff. But a thief is a thief. Especially one who sucks so bad in game that they can only try to compare to their Idol's. The person who did this will never reach the status of those that had true skill. It's almost funny....the person who is the supposed thief in this probably has less successful steals then the average Trammel dungeon thief.
While I agree he is surely a Giant ******....People decided to trust someone who's personal label clearly read "I AM FU@$ING TROUBLE!!!
Who would friend a thief to their house? An idiot? A trusting fool? or an accomplice?
Guess we may never know....But the only victims are those who put their rares in the auction.
I'm actually in the real world, you're in a world where justice always prevails. I'm just telling you the facts. You see, even if they did change their EULA, the person who actually stole those items, wouldn't actually be under the consequences of that EULA as the theft happened BEFORE the change. Pretty sure there's a legal term for that.
You're taking personal offense to people who disagree with you, as if they completely defend this person. I don't, he did wrong. But those are the facts. Nothing against you.
Also, your "too much like the real world" has very little to do with anything actually. Stating a company's EULA isn't real world? Also, how would the items being deleted be realistic? And how would it effect me or, anyone actually besides the actual person?
You know how to cut and paste, good for you!
You should also recognize that thats about a 3rd grade definition of a scam...
Calling this just a scam is like calling a Ponzi scheme just 'a minor financial mishap.'
But I'm glad you people are so blindly willing to accept this sort of behavior in UO as 'normal.' This would be the "permissive attitude" I mentioned earlier.
Look out lawyers. If your client is found guilty you will join your client in jail.....or worse.
See? You're taking personal offense to anyone who differs in opinion to you.
Also, that definition is relevant as that's what EA defines a scam, and thus would fall under their policy.
Yes if EA wanted to they could change the rules for the furture.
And it is espressly stated, espressle implied and espressly allowed under these conditions.
This is from UO.com about scamming and this.
So right or wrong EA says it is ok to scam as long as you do not use an exploit. Those are the current rules that we all agree to play by.
Actually, a Ponzi scheme is also a scam. A particular type of scam, but it is a scam.
Just a side note as well, whether anything is scammed (Ponzi scheme or other scheme), stolen, etc. has nothing to do with quantity of people effected or stolen.
Using your example of a Ponzi scheme just being called a "minor financial mishap". What if the Ponzi scheme was run for a very small amount of money (say $50). Might that be a "minor financial mishap"? you seem to be fixated on this being bad more for the value stolen and number of people effected rather than for the actions themselves.
I wish I was in a just world, but sadly no.. I'm in the one where theives can sue the people they burgled because the slipped and fell in their kitchen while stealing the silver... Grow up.
Again, its THEIR GAME. They can do whatever they damned well want, at any time - and WE have no say in it.
See, I can cut and paste too! WOW!
"(c) Rights. You acknowledge and agree that all characters created, and items acquired and developed as a result of game
play are part of the Software and Service and are the sole property of EA.com."
So, that mean all the items we have, characters included, aren't ours. So, EA can do what it damn well pleases with "our" items.
No, I just have little failth in humanity... Especially when people blithely accept behavior like this. Bad things happen to good people, and those who watch turn a blind eye.
That was called sarcasm. Deleting the items would effect the thief - he wouldn't be able to profit from his theft.
Actually, no, that was sarcasm.. You all seem to have a hard time detecting that.. I'll make sure its in italics from now on..
LOL That is EAs definition of a scam no matter if you like it or not.
What is the difference between this and a new player that got scammed out of his first house/Val armor/Vang wep and when he came to the boards all people told him is welcome to UO, live and learn, trust no one.
NOTHING.
Just because it was some rares makes it no different then any other scam. Someone lost something that was a value to them, it does not matter the value of that item, a scam is a scam.
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What I also find amusing is the fact the person who caused all of this probably still has more friends in UO then in real life.
Though this sh%t pile will never be rememberd as a UO thief....Just a back stabber, who could have done it with 100 camping as easily as 120 stealing.
What a lonely world for a fat, friendless, fu$khead.
Though this sh%t pile will never be rememberd as a UO thief....Just a back stabber, who could have done it with 100 camping as easily as 120 stealing.
What a lonely world for a fat, friendless, fu$khead.
I hope you're not telling me to grow up? Being a realist is not refraining from growing up. Taking offense at anyone who opposes you though, is.
Yes, yet you fail to see what this could cause. I think it's you who needs to grow up. If they were to change the EULA just because someone was scammed, everytime something morally questionable happens, they'd be expected to. Thus discounting their actual control of the game. Yes, they can do whatever they want. We all know this. But, they're also at the mercy of their subscribers, giving them too much of what they deem to be correct instead of actually holding their guns via policy, actually causes them to loose control. That causes critical failures.
That also means that what happened wasn't illegal in anyway and thus, no one needs to be punished.
General note to the thread: the word 'effect' is not the same as the word 'affect'. Effect means a result, as in "the effect of me driving over the cat was immediately apparent." Affect means to alter, as in "reading threads where people misuse effect/affect affects my humor."
Also "lose" is not spelled "loose". You didn't have an item you loost did you? No, you "lost" it. ONE O.
Ok, carry on.
Also "lose" is not spelled "loose". You didn't have an item you loost did you? No, you "lost" it. ONE O.
Ok, carry on.
You seem to have a hard time understanding sarcasm is hard to detect with toneless words.
You see, I'm not psychic, I can't mind read the tone you want me to read.
That's internet lingo 101.
Unless sarcasm is blatently obvious, it's hard to detect by everyone unless they specifically know you.
Also, it is 3:30am, so let's just ignore the fact that the human mind doesn't degrade in it's ability to use cognitive thought to realize your posts are sarcastic.
Or let's just pretend I don't care. I put that in italics for you.
Again, that was mainly sarcasm.
And no, it wasn't bad due to the amount stolen. Its particularly bad due to the amount of PEOPLE effected. I used IRL exaples that are relatable, not exact.
By EA's rather broad definition what he did could be classified as a scam, however, so could any theft at that point.
The whole point is what was done is completely reprehensible. Just because the EULA doesn't expressly forbid it doesn't mean the guy gets away with the loot and no reprecussions.
This act damaged the community as a whole, Pac's rep for player events, WRR, and EA for sitting in its thumbs while the guy runs off to profit.
You are right. You own nothing in UO. You just have a right to use EAs items.
To me you think just because we know the rules of the game that we accept what this person did. We may not like it but we know the rules and by the rules this peoson did nothing wrong in UO. What I think is so funny is the fact that people are equating this with real life and want this person banned, hung, beheaded, burned at the cross and thrown in jail for real. It will never happen because a Judge will find out that what he did in UO was leagal so there is no case. Also people are saying go to his house, for what some UO items. This is getting out of hand. People need to get real, this crap is not worth hurting someone over.
It is, just a game, right?
It is, just a game, right?
This thread has gone way beyond acceptable. It ends here.
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