A heads up...

[TheScoundrelRico]

Just in case you happen to see an influx of thieves...

link

This invite also goes for those of you thieves that are still around on the shard. I do have an alliance set up so if you want, you don't have to quit your guild to join, but I am trying to get this as thief only as possible. Let me know if you have any questions...la

 

[Masumatek]

Good luck with the guild.

I was going to hijack your thread with a discussion about blessed items but I controlled myself.

 

[Temporary Jeremiah (JSV)]

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Yeah, the blessed item discussion needs to be taken to the devs. But I'm not holding my breath. I hope they get a fix to RoT soon...or at least another server line skill gain bug, lol...la

 

[Masumatek]

No it needs to be taken to the community first. The devs, while very slow with Siege changes, are often willing to make them. However, they're also often reluctant to act against the "majority," even if the majority is wrong. The "majority" are not in favor of full loot. The majority of so called hardcore risk-loving Siege players want a Siege Bless Item. There's always a chance the devs will do what needs to be done anyway but I doubt that...we first need to convince Siege players, who shouldn't even need convincing but do.

 

[FrejaSP]

Good luck with the guild Rico

 

[Temporary Jeremiah (JSV)]

yea id like to see insurance go the way of the dinosaurs but i wouldnt hold my breath. the next best thing would be certain item types to be uninsurable or a limit as to the amount of items you may have insured on your person or a timer on the insurance as well as a steeper rate to insure stuff.

 

[Masumatek]

Oh. I wasn't even talking about trammel shards. I don't see insurance ever being removed there. But insurance still exists on Siege, which is sad, and it exists because the community wanted it that way.

 

[RedDaTeef]

Yeah good luck with the guild Rico...*prepares poisoned shirikin*

 

[Azural Kane]

Oh. I wasn't even talking about trammel shards. I don't see insurance ever being removed there. But insurance still exists on Siege, which is sad, and it exists because the community wanted it that way.

Um. If insurance didn't exist it would completely eliminate the need to do Doom, Mel's etc. There would be no reason to go after any sort of decent item. Having the ability to bless 1 thing is a GOOD thing that keeps people farming/targets to kill.

 

[Masumatek]

Just because there would be no people doing doom (except collectors), doesn't mean there would be no one farming. People would still, unfortunately, have to farm to compete using unblessed equipment. Personally I feel farming should be something those who ENJOY fighting monsters should do, not non-PvMers being forced to farm to compete. Items should provide minor bonuses, not anything near what they do now. Siege is becoming more and more like trammy shards where we talk about what suits we wear. So item-based. These events and other changes that should have never been on Siege are killing us. But if you're so concerned about forcing PvPers to farm to compete, then that would still be the case without the Siege Bless Item.

But yah, blessings isn't the only thing that needs to go. The whole item system needs revamped. Will either of those ever happen? Who knows, probably not, but we can try right? I really think at this point though the best thing to do is scrap Siege, start over and do it right. Siege is too screwed up now. And it will continue to get worse as changes for trammel shards continue to be added to Siege. We need a new shard that was made right and for that shard to be locked in without the addition of publishes made for trammel shards.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

To be honest, I'd like to see the Siege bless left...but every other item unblessed, stealable and lootable...this goes for rune books, spell books, BOD books...etc.

Hell, I don't even see a need for the quest items to be blessed.

Maybe ships and ethies, but I'd even say make the vet rewards stealable. We are (for the most part) able to figure out how to prevent a theft...if you can't, I'm sure you would learn fast...la

 

[Masumatek]

You're opposed to getting rid of Siege Bless Item? That surprises me considering in your uhall thread you mentioned disarm thieves, which are hard to be successful with considering most people using a weapon bless it because of their Siege Bless Item option...

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

You're opposed to getting rid of Siege Bless Item? That surprises me considering in your uhall thread you mentioned disarm thieves, which are hard to be successful with considering most people using a weapon bless it because of their Siege Bless Item option...

Unless the game eliminates all the properties brought to us by AoS, I don't think it would be a real good idea to get rid of the Siege bless. If it went away I wouldn't be upset, but having one items blessed is much better than what we have now. Hell, look how long it took us to get the Siege bless anyway .

Please note, many people would use their bless on other items besides the weapon in their hand since they would have some feeling on safety from theft as many thieves are disarmers anymore (oh yeah, that would change quick though)...la

 

[Temporary Jeremiah (JSV)]

i would like to keep my ethy, so i would want that to stay blessed, besides they come in handy for thieves too but vet rewards,spellbooks,etc id like to see stealable. i wouldnt mind clothing being blessable though (not armor) and the one siege bless. perhaps a timer on the siege bless, so if you forget to re-bless your loot is up for grabs


*rummages through corpse and takes an item*

 

[Masumatek]

I don't consider the pbd "fix" as it is called by many a fix at all. A proper fix would have been complete removal. Wilki actually said they would have gone all the way. Our chance to remove all major blessed items! But the "majority" wanted and wants Siege to have insurance.

And while some may still use weapons that aren't blessed, most who use weapons do bless them, so so much for disarm thieves being successful.

And while a complete revamp of the item system and properties would be a good thing, I don't see how its existence requires us to have the Siege Bless Item. Why do you say that? If you think it "balances" the game to have blessed items, then I 1) disagree, and 2) say that if you make that argument, you have to argue for full insurance, and that arguing for one blessed item is a poor argument, and 3) say that it doesn't matter if it did balance the game, since blessings don't belong on Siege, period.

 

[RedDaTeef]

I would like to see underwear unblessed!

 

[Chardonnay]

Just in case you happen to see an influx of thieves...

link

This invite also goes for those of you thieves that are still around on the shard. I do have an alliance set up so if you want, you don't have to quit your guild to join, but I am trying to get this as thief only as possible. Let me know if you have any questions...la

Good Luck Rico...

 

[Zippididooda]

Items and item collecting are a MAJOR part of this game, have been for many many years. IMHO there is not going to be a complete revamp of that fact ever. Especially not for one shard whose population is quite low. Having the ability to insure one item makes things FUN. Games are about FUN. I still have FUN in UO every time I play.
Masu, while I respect your dedication on the issues you talk about, how many people have ever actually totally agreed with your extremist viewpoints? Ive been around SP for many a year, and Ill tell you, since we play in the AoS style of UO, being able to use ONE of my artifacts or crafted peices makes me happy. Going out and trying to find that orni or armor of fortune, or tokuno major, or make that super scrapper and then be able to use it makes me happy. If I had to lock down every single one of those items for display only, why would I even bother?
So as far as siege is concerned, its still the most risk versus reward place you can play...no? You say the pbd issue was not "fixed". I find that ludicrisly short sided. Its what almost every one wanted to happen. To go back and complain about something that took years to resolve, and Ive NEVER seen anyone else complain about...well maybe you should think about that. I guess what im saying is if there was even a hundred people agreeing with you, maybe these points would gain steam. There is not. I doubt ten people would agree with removing siege bless from SP.

 

[Zippididooda]

sorry to hijack, GO THIEVES

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

I doubt ten people would agree with removing siege bless from SP.

I would even venture to guess that we would lose a few players if they got rid of it...la

 

[Czarina]

sorry to throw my two cents in here but rico why would you want runebooks unblessable? to me thats one of the most annoying things there ever was in UO back in the days. hehe carrying around a bag full of runes. oh and im thinking the only reason that bod books are blessed is because of the number of bods it holds. also the bod book itself cuts down the item count and weight in your bag. truthfully i never carry the darn bod books around with me cause of how fast they do fill up. also good luck on the guild.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

blessed items have had the easy button pushed on them, thus eliminating all of them would make most sense. You can't pick and choose what is blessed imo, besides, there is too much "stuff" that is blessed or not stealable that most players aren't aware of...la

 

[FrejaSP]

sorry to throw my two cents in here but rico why would you want runebooks unblessable? ........

I believe players would traveling more by foot or mount if runebooks was unblessed.
Allow players one blessed home rune to their house or favorite bank.

Players could always use their Siege bless to bless one runebook or bless their BoD book if a crafter.

 

[FrejaSP]

I doubt ten people would agree with removing siege bless from SP.

I have my best bow blessed, had used the same bow for years. I have several other good bows in my house, but I do never use them.

Sure I love my bow but really, losing it would not be a big deal, I could just grap one of the other bows.

Looking at it from a crafters view, I think no Siege bless would be a good thing, they would sell more crafted weapons.

I would say, remove Siege Bless, blessed rune and BoD books. I'm not sure with Vet rewards. If it was made possible to sell pets from PC vendors, it would be easier to get a new mount.

Maybe vet rewards like mounts and clothes should have a timer, so if you die, you can't use it for 30 mins. That could count for AoS blessed clothes too. I don't think they should be unblessed.

 

[kelmo]

Freja, crafters will have to get a helluva boost before I sign off on that.

 

[Zippididooda]

Maybe Im wrong, I like to argue the opposite side of any point just to show thats there is always more to things to consider sometimes.
For me, I just would not like things like runebooks or ethys to be unblessed, or lose my siege bless because I enjoy it the way it is.

Or, unbless EVERYTHING and leave siege bless alone. Id rather see it left alone period. My 2 cents.

 

[UncleSham]

speaking as someone who played before runebooks and ins. i must vote no .

runebooks have become an integral part of our game . i for one like the ability to cary multiple runebooks . this gives me the opportunity to assist friends pretymuch anywhere at a moments notice.

i can understand the frustration of thieves in general . i used to play one before insurance came out . that pretymuch killed thieving for me. but here thieves have it soooooo mush easier . why must you complain about our one "insured" thing ?

the non stealable quest items you speak of are a joke ... why would you even want to steal those ?

this shard already has unblessed any of the usefull stuff prodo shards bless . again ... what are you complaining about ?

and im not even taliking about "crates" thats a whole other perk ... how many millions can you get for the gloves or axe ? (which i might point out, if your no bless proposal goes thru, youll lose that market completely)

finnaly, consider on a prodo shard a real thief can only opperate in fel . and , well most of his targets moved to the safe lands the moment they went public . here we must all live together . at least on siege you have targets availabl to you . what more do you want .... me to just walk over and give you all my stuff ? no im afraid must earn your scores.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

speaking as someone who played before runebooks and ins. i must vote no .

I really don't think that is the point here. I highly doubt the developers would ever look at this...la