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4 2d players plz Larger play window?

would you like a larger play window in 2d

  • yes large

    Votes: 70 74.5%
  • no leave it small

    Votes: 24 25.5%

  • Total voters
    94

JC the Builder

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I'm not an authority on PvP but I can say this, I find the EC to give me an easier time with PvP when the group I play with get raided at spawns.
The EC might be acceptable when there is up to a half dozen people. But when you are talking over a dozen people plus pets, it becomes unusable. I once tested the EC at a Harrower and it was just unplayable. You couldn't even identify what was happening on the screen between the sounds, spell effects, models and lighting.

Here is a video I did in the Kingdom Reborn client which is even older: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdR2tW_qIhQ
 

Derium of ls

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This... x 10...and some...

stop requesting "features" for an obsolete client. Go crazy, leave the previous millennium behind and join 2011.
If EC didn't look worse than 2D I'd play it.

on my laptop I can see things, but when I'm on my desktop playing at 1920x1080 I have to lean in to see what people are saying... Kinda funny to have a 46in monitor and I have to lean in heh. lame.
 

Lord Frodo

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I would like to see EA take the short term hit in subs against the bigger picture advantages that developing and supporting one client would offer. Stop allowing these people to dictate serious design decisions and just put it on the table, sack up, and defend your position.
UMMMM Short term hits. My son who has played many of the new MMOs still laughs at the EC. This has been out for what 2 years? How many new players has this great EC brought to UO? Yes I will agree that the EC's UI is better than the CC's UI and so does my son. What he laughs at is the FUGLY art in this great new EC. Didn't the DEVs say that when 90% of the player base used this great new EC that they would no longer support the CC and shut it down? I am willing to bet that EA knows that if they shut down the CC that they will lose way more SUBs then this great new EC will ever bring in. Face it, UO has now tried 3 new clients and the CC after 13 years (just like UO) is still here and will be here till UO dies. You can have the greatest UI, but if you can't stand to look at your screen then how are you even going to play?

Graphics Switch CC/EC/KR and no I will not download anything (mod or whatever) to do this, so don't even go there. EA/UO needs to get off thier backsides and do this, not the players.
 

Dermott of LS

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The "fugly" in the EC is largely due to trying to scale the Legacy graphics outside of their native resolution. The rest is due to mental familiarity.

The paranoia about downloading mods is just that... paranoia. Should people believe the many people who have proof that the popular UI mods are safe by experience or the one who refuses such proof? You're more likely to get hacked by an ad banner on this site than by a mod from Pinco or the Exchange (there have been multiple issues with ads on this site in the past and ZERO reports of such with the Exchange or Pinco's site.) Considering I have done work for both I believe I can speak from a position of authority.
 
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Woodsman

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Thanks Woodsman, currently, I'm 1440x900 on a 19" W.S. w/ a ATI Radeon Xpress 200M series card (laptop w/ Intel Celeron M upc)
So I could get a Much, a Lot, or a Little, bigger view over the CC?
You could get a lot bigger view over the CC. You could get a full-screen edge-to-edge 1440x900 view of the game if you wanted, and you can also resize the game window itself on the fly from 1440x900 down to whatever - 1024x800, etc. You just grab the corner of the game window and resize it. I don't know what it would be like on a Celeron M - you might have to keep the actual game window down a bit, like 1280x800 or something.

When I say game window, I'm talking about the area with mobiles/terrain/housing and not the black bars that people have around it. With the EC, you can choose not to have black bars and have a game window that's as large as your display, you would just have your paperdoll and packs covering up some of it. If you use Pinco's UI, you can resize the paperdoll and packs.

When I see people say their EC crashes, are they in a certain area, doing certain things, particular settings, unique to them, or does it just up and die sometimes?
The Nova Blast or whatever that was cast during some EM events can crash me these days, but for whatever reason it seems to have stopped, unless it's a combination of that particular spell plus a certain number of people.

In the past, I could consistently crash in Luna or a certain part of Skara Brae, but that has been fixed apparently.
 

Derium of ls

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Keep in mind it is possible to force the CC into whatever game size you want. However things get a bit laggy at times.
 
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Woodsman

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Yes, this does happen all the time. This doesn't make it the best thing to do. After all, you can't make a customer out of a non-customer if they have no interest in your product.
It's the best thing to do if you don't have the staff to really support two clients.

All games will lose some people simply from life issues, or other. I was just saying it would be best to not pull a Star Wars Galaxies and do the better thing and pull an Eve Online.
Just a few months ago, they dropped support for older computers and CCP has dropped support for clients and other hardware in the past. It hasn't slowed EVE Online down one bit - they are up to 360,000 subscribers and have recently hit 60,000+ simultaneously logged in players. They don't mind pushing the hardware, which is something that Origin used to be known for doing.

If EA can do the art update right (if they do it), I think they could alleviate a lot of issues some people have with the EC. Of course, since they don't really have the resources to support two clients, I wonder how they have the resources for an art update, but that's another thread.
 

Ender

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We like having good, if old-style, graphics over the low quality EC graphics. The CC also still edges out the EC as a User Interface. Why so many are sticking with it.

A lot of those who complain about the CC game window being so small just need to adjust their screen settings to something like 1360x768 which makes the game window fit the screen well.

The 1920x1080 'native resolution' of my monitor gives smaller than phonebook text on the screen which is annoying. Shoot it rivals the fine print on the back of over-the-counter medicine packages. I set the screen resolution to 1360x768 and let the monitor's auto-adjust feature do it's thing so I can have decent sized text.
Holy hell. I'm curious to see how many people here actually believe this.

I'm also curious to see how many haven't even tried the EC. Something tells me it's around the same number.


Anyway, performance wise, the EC crashes much less for me than the CC does, animations are actually smooth (I didn't notice it before, but running/walking in the CC, my god, it is SO damn jerky), I can do so much more with the UI...


Really the only complaint I have at this point is graphics, which is a result of all you people still living in the stone age endlessly pancakes and moaning about KR's graphics. They were downgraded to the levels of the CC and put into the EC and now we get awful resolution on terrain and buildings and such. Thanks, guys.
 

Tanivar

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Holy hell. I'm curious to see how many people here actually believe this.

I'm also curious to see how many haven't even tried the EC. Something tells me it's around the same number.
I actually run both. There are some situations where the EC is the better choice. For most situations the CC is better. The CC does nearly everything I want the UI to do, is more convienent to use, and has much better graphics.

Keep in mind, the EC was done recently with EA's Quality Control system. It has problems that will likely never be fixed. At least the CC was done by Origin Systems who did things right. Until EA enforces a good Q.C. policy, the EC will never be fixed, or work well, or look good. I mean seriously, look at the problems additions to the game have had. High Seas is a glaringly obvious example.


Really the only complaint I have at this point is graphics, which is a result of all you people still living in the stone age endlessly pancakes and moaning about KR's graphics. They were downgraded to the levels of the CC and put into the EC and now we get awful resolution on terrain and buildings and such. Thanks, guys.
If the EC's graphics were downgraded to the levels of the CC's graphic, why don't they look as good as the CC's graphics? :)

Give the EC CC quality graphics and fix the EC's faults and I'll likely switch. Until then I'll limit the EC use to when I want to have the larger game window. The larger game window it has is handy when fighting merchant ships.

If EA wants to produce a good quality UI that most will like, they'll likely need to outsource the work to a company who will put enough people on it to do it right, and that makes sure that what it gives to it's customer is a finished product that works well.

The Team EA has right now either isn't being allowed to do the job right, or isn't up to the challenge. Maybe EA should hire some older people who know the computer language UO is written in and can write better working code for it.
 

Dermott of LS

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If the EC's graphics were downgraded to the levels of the CC's graphic, why don't they look as good as the CC's graphics?

Because they are the CC graphics portrayed outside of their single native resolution, I've already answered this one.
 

EricVT

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Thread title says "for 2d players please" and yet all the EC users come out of the woodwork with their panties in a bunch because people want to discuss a simple improvement that could be made to the still-very-popular classic client. Thread subsequently gets derailed into yet another EC vs CC debate.

Typical.
 

Mapper

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Thread title says "for 2d players please" and yet all the EC users come out of the woodwork with their panties in a bunch because people want to discuss a simple improvement that could be made to the still-very-popular classic client. Thread subsequently gets derailed into yet another EC vs CC debate.

Typical.
Just to at least answer that for my post, I play 2d on an older machine so am still 'A 2d player' even though I mentioned EC.
 

HD2300

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If the EC's graphics were downgraded to the levels of the CC's graphic, why don't they look as good as the CC's graphics?

Because they are the CC graphics portrayed outside of their single native resolution, I've already answered this one.
Then put in a button/macro/option to display all graphics at their native resolution, not only for CC graphics but also EC graphics. How hard could that be? :beer:
 

Nexus

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Thread title says "for 2d players please" and yet all the EC users come out of the woodwork with their panties in a bunch because people want to discuss a simple improvement that could be made to the still-very-popular classic client. Thread subsequently gets derailed into yet another EC vs CC debate.

Typical.
Most of us that use the EC either are still, CC users to a limited extent so the topic applies to us as well. I'm not out to begrudge CC fans for their choice in client, but I can tell you this much... UO has no chance at a revitalization, ever, without forward progress in it's user interface. We all talk about how we would love to see Subs go back up and it's true we would. But we can't pander ourselves out to the hopes and dreams of drawing back old players. This was a foolish dream the "Classic Shard" fans had, those that were really interested in UO still either A) are getting their fix through other means or B) had just left the game recently yet kept up with news of UO's development. While there might have been a few exceptions I doubt a "Classic Shard" would have drawn 500 renewed subs/new subs much less thousands.

The point is for UO to gain back subs it needs new blood, yourself, me, the other posters in this thread we are not the potential future players of UO. We are the past and present and that's all we'll ever be. For UO to regain subs, it need to be able to draw their interests, the CC won't do that 90 cases out of 100. Jimbo reading on some gaming site runs across UO mentioned he's not going to know anything about the games culture, history, or game play outside what little might be mentioned in the article and even then they won't understand half of what makes this game as special as it is. What they might see is a screenshot, a link to a video etc., and that is where EA/Bio-ware/Bio-ware-Mythic or what ever you want to call them have to grab their attention.

To sum it up, while most of us EC users don't really mind the CC still existing, we'd much rather the focus be on a client that has the potential to attract new players, a client that has the potential to advance the game into a new millennium and not live totally in it's past. The CC doesn't afford that opportunity in it's current condition and boosting the game play windows resolution isn't going to do it either. This being the case, we'd rather try and convince as many as possible to try it and convert so eventually the CC can slip silently off into the sunset to hang out with all the other mid 90's era technology.

I even started a poll on this a while back, on if they were to put in a "Legacy Graphics" option to make the EC's game play window look entirely like the CC's would people be more interested. Like I said I'm not against the CC I just don't think continued development beyond keeping it able to connect to the servers is the right way to go anymore.
 

Skunk

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I play CC, never tried EC...tried 3d once back in the day. I would love to see a lot of new blood in this game, we need it to survive. I just came back for the first time in like 4 or 5 years and it made me sad to see what has happened to our shard population. As long as they make it to where CC is playable and never changed again thats fine, leave it be and focus on the EC.

I may never try EC...im stubborn that way. But coming back to UO from a WoW binge of over 5 years I know UO has what it take to make people want to play it. All it needs is a SERIOUS graphics overhaul and the rest is ready for players new and old.

As far as graphics go, look as some of the EA sports titles and the graphics they have to offer. Why cant this visual goodness be brought over to the MMO side of the table? Why cant we have a taste of the visual delight? I am done rambling...thanks.
 

Lord Frodo

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The "fugly" in the EC is largely due to trying to scale the Legacy graphics outside of their native resolution. The rest is due to mental familiarity.

The paranoia about downloading mods is just that... paranoia. Should people believe the many people who have proof that the popular UI mods are safe by experience or the one who refuses such proof? You're more likely to get hacked by an ad banner on this site than by a mod from Pinco or the Exchange (there have been multiple issues with ads on this site in the past and ZERO reports of such with the Exchange or Pinco's site.) Considering I have done work for both I believe I can speak from a position of authority.
Well great for you and all the other moders. This EC is so great that it takes the player base to fix it. Keep doing EAs work for them. And we wounder way EA/UO gives us such a messed up EC. UO to EA "Don't worry the players will fix it for us." And did you bother reading this part of it. EA/UO needs to get off thier backsides and do this, not the players.
 

Ezekiel Zane

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The "fugly" in the EC is largely due to trying to scale the Legacy graphics outside of their native resolution. The rest is due to mental familiarity.

The paranoia about downloading mods is just that... paranoia. Should people believe the many people who have proof that the popular UI mods are safe by experience or the one who refuses such proof? You're more likely to get hacked by an ad banner on this site than by a mod from Pinco or the Exchange (there have been multiple issues with ads on this site in the past and ZERO reports of such with the Exchange or Pinco's site.) Considering I have done work for both I believe I can speak from a position of authority.
Well great for you and all the other moders. This EC is so great that it takes the player base to fix it. Keep doing EAs work for them. And we wounder way EA/UO gives us such a messed up EC. UO to EA "Don't worry the players will fix it for us." And did you bother reading this part of it. EA/UO needs to get off thier backsides and do this, not the players.
Well, regardless, the players HAVE done it. It was designed that way.
 
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Woodsman

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As far as graphics go, look as some of the EA sports titles and the graphics they have to offer. Why cant this visual goodness be brought over to the MMO side of the table? Why cant we have a taste of the visual delight? I am done rambling...thanks.
I would make a joke about the Sims Medieval game that just launched last week, but you don't even have to look that far since BioWare has several active titles - Dragon Age 2 just launched and the latest Mass Effect has just pushed out their final DLC so there is a possibility of a lot of artists attached to those titles that have nothing to do, but they've already probably been roped into either sequels, Star Wars, or will be laid off.
EA/UO needs to get off thier backsides and do this, not the players.
The best mods/add-ons for World of Warcraft are all player driven. It's almost a requirement that the first thing somebody new to WoW do is head over to Curse.com or their mod/add-on site of choice and start installing the popular add-ons.

In this respect, EA is simply following the rest of the industry. Now EA should have a team, even if it's only a half a dozen people, who do nothing but work on bug fixes and client improvements, but EA doesn't want to budget for it, so we end up with bug fixes when the devs can squeeze in time, but as for the player mods, that is simply doing what the rest of the MMO industry is already doing.

Having played Warcraft and plenty of other MMOs, I think it's actually the right way to go - the best ideas for user interfaces are usually developed by the people who spend a lot of time relying upon them, i.e. the players. A lot of us could not stand Warcraft if we were forced to used the default interface, but start adding in all of the add-ons (which Blizzard makes it easy to do within the game settings) and it's very playable. A perfect world would see a group of people within the UO dev team who just worked on fixing bugs and performance, and left the rest up to the Pincos of the world. It's unfortunate we can't get that.
 

Dermott of LS

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Thread title says "for 2d players please" and yet all the EC users come out of the woodwork with their panties in a bunch because people want to discuss a simple improvement that could be made to the still-very-popular classic client. Thread subsequently gets derailed into yet another EC vs CC debate.


Because the anti-anything other than the CC crowd has NEVER interjected in an honest question thread regarding the EC... EVER... or KR... or 3d. Nope... never happened.
 

Gilmour

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The issue why so many are sticking to CC is due to EC not having the same "Feel" as CC do.

This is a serious issue.

- menus act differently
- bags are different, and legacy bags are bugged
even character acceleration is different.
and many other things

if you wish to try EC a go and have played CC for ages i'd suggest the following:

- Turn off "Auto navigate around object" option, its horrible!

Greetings
Gilly
 
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