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2d vs. whatever.....

2d or EC or another client

  • 2d

    Votes: 116 67.1%
  • EC

    Votes: 50 28.9%
  • Another Client

    Votes: 7 4.0%

  • Total voters
    173
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gak21

Guest
Enhanced Client is the only way I will play the game. I do not like the 2d client period, and when I was forced to use it when 3d was cut I left. I resubbed 4 accounts as soon as the EC was released because it had the 3d feel to it.

If it were to be removed I would be gone again.
 

ZippyTwitch

Lore Keeper
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
People seem to think I am afraid of change. I am not. Change is great....When it's needed. Which it is not. Now understand that with multiple clients it will take the devs twice as long to make changes to the game since they have to work on both clients. That my friends is a serious waste of manpower and time. Now look at the results as of now. 2d(or classic if you will) has more votes. Granted not all players use stratics. But I bet that the majority of players use the classic client over the new enhanced client. Why change something that has outlasted every other mmorpg on the market? Why would someone want to relearn a game they have been playing soo long? Sure classic has some bugs. I have not found any game that doesn't have bugs and I never will.
 
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HeadOn

Guest
Why change something that has outlasted every other mmorpg on the market?

In order for a games survival there needs to be growth and adaptation. Without growth the game will die as the old players leave and new players are not replacing them. The Enhanced Client is the key to bringing new players in. It was the main reason I and many other people that I know came back, without it graphically the game feels like a flash game you can play on facebook or myspace. I would not hesitate to leave if it were removed. There are much more appealing games out there.

The Enhanced Client allows for things to be setup easily and doesn't rely on a 3rd party program. What would the players that are playing 2d do if UOAssist suddenly stopped updating, or the UO developers decided to break certain features? What if UOAssist suddenly decided to charge a monthly fee to use the product?

Yes there is still work that needs to be done on EC, but it is much easier to create new things for the Enhanced client and in time it will be fine.
 

Siteswap

Visitor
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
Classic 2d Client for me.

I'm just sad that the 2d client going to get cancelled once the KR client is used by 95% of users.

I'm also sad that I'll never be able to enter the Stygian abyss in the 2d client because its only going to be for the EC users only.

:thumbsup:
 
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Jhym

Guest
*sigh*, another useless poll.

The problem is that both clients have issues, and both clients have strengths. I stick to the classic mostly on my laptop and on other machines where I don't have a lot of graphics power, I try to play ec on my desktop and when I feel like trying out different macros.

I don't know what I think of the new client. Having played a much newer client in tabula rasa, I can say that some of the features in there were way more useful, but the gameplay was also different. I'm not sure myself which I prefer, I will probably try alternate keys in ec to see how it plays, but I'm very used to "type to talk" and it bugs me to have to hit return. However, I also am one of those that doesn't mind using F1-F12 keys for actions.

Donno. I am just not sure how I feel about either client, as long as they both get the job done (ie keeping me from dying in the middle of a event.)
 

Zayin666

Lore Keeper
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
, but I'm very used to "type to talk" and it bugs me to have to hit return.
You can enable legacy chat in the options... then you can talk without hitting enter :)
I got used to hitting the enter key playing wow, so now Iam glad they added that option to UO :)
 

Saphireena

Lore Keeper
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
Pretty useless to have a poll like that on a board infested with 2d whiners that are afraid of change.
I don't know if I'm only speaking for myself here, but personally I have never been afraid of change (and I'm about the most faithful legacy art fan you'll find). In fact I'm all for change as long as it's change for the better, not worse. For this to happen, it needs to fill some basic requirements:

- Any new changes need to improve things, not impair them (something we've witnessed with the paperdolls, the loss of the clean cut, crispiness of the 2D items, tiles and environment traded in for something which is mushier and darker, the loss of Ultima charm in avatars and creatures, the way in which the backpack items have become so tiny and unrecognizable to name a few)

- Any new changes may not drastically alter the virtual world that we know and love. That world contains years of history for us. Familiar places that hold many wonderful memories. It is disturbing to visit these places with a new client and not even recognize them anymore. It is disturbing to have worked hard to tame magnificent looking dragons, only to find they have been turned into creatures one would have never bothered taming in the first place. It is disturbing when one doesn't even recognize their own paperdoll avatar anymore.

My guess, is that fans of the classic client react in such a negative way simply because the ratio of negative and positive leans more towards the negative side.

There might also be some subconscious offense taken to changes which had absolutely no valid or explainable reason. This causes players to lose faith and trust in the developers, making any future "upgrades" all the harder to swallow as the rebellion of these players grows. Drastic changes need to have a founded, good reason. They can't be made just "because it would be so cool".

The sad thing is that the devs have only ever meant well for the players. All they wanted to do was give us new and exciting content. They wanted good for us. The problem is that in the excitement of the countless brainstorming sessions they must have had, packed full of bright-eyed devs and product managers all bouncing ideas around that sound cooler, and cooler and cooler - well, they never really stopped to consider the delicacy of the situation and the psychological impact of changing our world. Then again, what do I know. Maybe they did understand these risks. Maybe they hoped that we'd be so overwhelmed by all the massively cool stuff that we wouldn't mind a change here, and a change there. Maybe they thought that it's safe to downgrade some things, seeing as they'd upgrade so many other things. But you can't just sneak that stuff by us.

What I'd like to think is that the devs were facepalming through the whole ordeal and it was really the upper management that forced these changes upon us all. I'd much rather blame the people who are clueless when it comes to the heart of Ultima. I want to have faith in our devs!

Basically, if you are going to upgrade a game and get everyone excited about it, there are no bargains, no ratios, no compromises. It really does need to be far superior AND without losing even a smidgen of all that was good to begin with.

Easier said than done, I'm sure.
 

ZippyTwitch

Lore Keeper
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
I'm also sad that I'll never be able to enter the Stygian abyss in the 2d client because its only going to be for the EC users only.

:thumbsup:
Is this true? I still haven't been able to afford to upgrade to SA. But now if I can't even use it with the classic client. Well you just saved me some money. But I guess that's their way of forcing people to use the new client.
 

Zayin666

Lore Keeper
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
Is this true? I still haven't been able to afford to upgrade to SA. But now if I can't even use it with the classic client. Well you just saved me some money. But I guess that's their way of forcing people to use the new client.
Iam pretty sure thats not true... guildmates of mine go to SA dungeon and lands every day using the old client... dont worry!
 
D

Der Rock

Guest
now subtract the scripter/cheater from this 66% and you will see the EC voter are the majority
;)
 
W

Wilde1

Guest
I'd give the EC a try if I didn't read such frequent & significant bug reports. As it stands, 2D is familiar and stable, so it wins.
 

Otis Firefly

Slightly Crazed
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
Is this true? I still haven't been able to afford to upgrade to SA. But now if I can't even use it with the classic client. Well you just saved me some money. But I guess that's their way of forcing people to use the new client.
not true
 
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Connor_Graham

Guest
...

And why are these not part of the actual product instead of having to be programmed outside of the game programming? Seems to me that if they are so wonderful, they should already be part of the game with no additional installing needed.

UOA? UOAM? UOCartographer? Any of the other myriad of mini programs used for 2d?

Guess what... the mods are legal and ARE internal to the client once they are added in.

Mods = internal modification of the client
UOA = external hack of the datastream

Both are legal, but if you're going to deduct points from the EC for the use of UI Mods, then you have to do the same for UOA being around for 10+ years with many features never added to the 2d client.
2d is a client that was written over a decade ago. It was also the first of it's kind, without the hindsight that all this time has provided of features that might have been written in when it was in beta. The EC can't have the same said of it. It's still in beta and has no excuse for not having all of this functionality written in.
 
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pgcd

Guest
2d is a client that was written over a decade ago. It was also the first of it's kind, without the hindsight that all this time has provided of features that might have been written in when it was in beta. The EC can't have the same said of it. It's still in beta and has no excuse for not having all of this functionality written in.
You know, this is very true - but I think you should follow up by trying it out and helping the devs find, implement and debug those features. I believe that's the only way we can hope to actually have new players come to UO, because the CC just doesn't seem to have the right appeal.
 
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Connor_Graham

Guest
You know, this is very true - but I think you should follow up by trying it out and helping the devs find, implement and debug those features. I believe that's the only way we can hope to actually have new players come to UO, because the CC just doesn't seem to have the right appeal.
You must have missed my post in which I'd stated that I was in beta from the very first selection all the way past when open beta was released. I put in plenty of time testing and reporting, only to see the same bugs that were reported then still part of the client.
 

Siteswap

Visitor
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
I'm also sad that I'll never be able to enter the Stygian abyss in the 2d client because its only going to be for the EC users only.

:thumbsup:
Is this true? I still haven't been able to afford to upgrade to SA. But now if I can't even use it with the classic client. Well you just saved me some money. But I guess that's their way of forcing people to use the new client.
Sorry .... I guess sarcasm doesnt lend itself to forums ...

They SAID that the classic client would be scrapped when take up of KR reached 95%. Laughably they actually believed this would happen. Here we are a couple of years later and KR is scrapped and 2d is still here.

They SAID that we would NEVER be able to access the Stygian Abyss land through the 2d client, and here I am running through these lands in the .... you guessed it ... 2d client. Indeed a few prominent posters on these very forums promised to quit UO if SA lands were ever accessible through the classic client but they are full of BS.

Bottom line ... EA talks bollocks about what will or wont happen with the 2d client ... it will be around for as long as UO is.
 

Dermott of LS

UOEC Modder
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
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2d is a client that was written over a decade ago. It was also the first of it's kind, without the hindsight that all this time has provided of features that might have been written in when it was in beta. The EC can't have the same said of it. It's still in beta and has no excuse for not having all of this functionality written in.

And 2d has had over a DECADE to add these same features in as well, so I don;t really consider that a viable excuse on the part of 2d/UOA.

Basically, let's keep ONE standard here... either UOA shows deficiencies in the 2d client or it doesn't. If it does not, then UI mods do not show said deficiencies either. If it does, then yes, UI mods do.

The point is, you can't attack the EC for the use of UI mods without holding the same standard of deficiencies towards the 2d client (which has held those deficiencies for MUCH LONGER than the EC has even existed).

I'm willing to and freely admit that the UI mods address certain deficiencies in the default UI for the EC (in fact that was the entire reason the Exchange was created during KR... to address what UI bugs we could fix on our end and make those fixes available during a time much like recently when work and progress on the new client was at a standstill). By the same token, UOA is a packet hack program that addresses deficiencies in the default 2d UI.
 
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