Frame off is a misnomer when aplied to unibody cars real frame off aplies to cars of a vintage when the actual body could be unbolted from a solid frame like the early datona beach dominators the hudsons with the super 6.
or before them were the 37 fords with fat head v 8s or striped out caddys with the flat 8 or the flat 12, then of corse the buicks held there own with the strait 8
in fact many of thouse cars could produce a ridable 120 mph but it was the amount of time it took to top em out. the duezy town car was a near 5k curb weight car it would do 120.
the real secret to engineering isnt that any "car guy would get from a manual but there have been great "car guys" the Petty family being a few but its the simple idea that all engineering for the road is 1st proven in the sky.
german engineering was great in ww2 as well but simple rock solid crude american iron like a p47 thunderbolt or p51 mustang or p38 lightning gave them reason to fear and yes i know about alisons and merlins and rolls not to mention prat and whitney, so yea beemers are ok choose yer poisin ill take american iron its a good base to start
Carol shelby knew that with the ac bristol " english" and a 289 ford motor and later he uped it to 427 it was science aplied power to weight ratio and in fact the 427 cobras were so choked out at the exhaust that thier horse power was 300 reduced from an uncaped near 500 and in truth the car was an engineering nightmare but it could torque its way right out of a corner, once again science aplied.
ive been into so many cars "bumber to bumper" with every part of me i know my stuff.
ok we need a uo Auto smack talk thread uo pvp aint never seen nothing like auto smack talk lol.